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March 26, 2009 11:54:41 AM

I'm looking at building a new system but I'm not super familiar with alot of this newer components. My current system has lasted me 6 years because I purchased it with the ability to upgrade. I'm looking to do the same but with gaming in mind. I'd appreciate your input on what you think would be the best system for an affordable price and will have some longevity. Thanks in advance!
March 26, 2009 12:00:31 PM

Really quickly coz i got an appt to goto in a sec but look at AMD platforms as they have less of a history with screwing consumers when it comes to upgradability.
790GX board, Phenom II chip, 4MB RAM and a 4870 will do you for a while and you are looking at about £600 to put all that together.

Intel are the current leaders in terms of performance but the chip thats doing it for them, the i7 required a whole new mobo / RAM combo with an upgrade fee (from a C2x) of about £400 just for the pleasure of running the chip. Last i read the next chip they release will be a different socket again...requiring a new mobo with a different socket.
March 26, 2009 1:53:16 PM

+1

For stability of upgrade intel doesn't seem stable at the moment. They're going to release core i5 during the summer so that might result in a new socket required which means it MOST LIKELY will force you to buy a high graded mobo + cpu or a low grade mobo + cpu.

If you're into performance, I'd reckon you buy it wait a bit and then swap new parts every now and then as if you're financing your computer. If you want absolute upgradability then go with AMD but AMD performance can't match intel at all at this point.
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March 26, 2009 2:35:30 PM

We already know i5 is a different socket. LGA 11xx something or other. The X3 720 BE is supposed be one of AMD's best current chips. Definitely worth a look
March 26, 2009 2:42:20 PM

Problem is that AM3 is prevalant now and perhaps a PIII would use that meaning mobo and RAM upgrade. Talkin 2-3 yeas before the PII becomes obsolete though i guess.
March 26, 2009 2:55:07 PM

Now although AMD is good, I've been told been told by several people to go with Intel as far as gaming needs. Although I understand your point from an upgrade perspective for the future.
March 26, 2009 2:58:21 PM

Actually, this is something I've had in mind:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600

XFX PVT88PYDE4 GeForce 8800GT Extreme 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard

Rosewill RX950-D-B 950W 80Plus Certified,ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91 SLI 8800Ultra SLI CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD



March 26, 2009 3:26:42 PM

czajar said:
Now although AMD is good, I've been told been told by several people to go with Intel as far as gaming needs. Although I understand your point from an upgrade perspective for the future.



Yea...my response was to your original question about longeivity. If you would have asked whats the best gaming platform then its i7 all the way baby.

The above build is ok now, Q6600 is a nice clocker but its far surpassed by C2Q, PII and i7. Imo its not worth getting Vs a PII 720.
The 8800, again is ok but cant realy hold its own with the more modern games like Crysis and GTA IV. Step up to the 260 or a 4870 if you want it to last.

As with everything you get what you pay for, if you go too cheap now then you will need to upgrade before long.
March 26, 2009 4:01:19 PM

i5 is coming out, and yes it's a different socket. But that does not mean they aren't making anymore LGA1366 cpus, new processors are already coming for the i7.

I think you would be 100% happy with a Phenom II or any i7 chip.

I would not go any lower than the 4850 right now so you can at least play games for awhile. Monitor size is a big factor on this as well, if you are running 24" you will want something to push those 1920x1200 pixels at native res. (my 4850 does this pretty well in "most" games).
March 26, 2009 4:15:13 PM

Thanks for your input. These are the kinds of opinions that I was looking for. I've been trying to compare alot of these components which is touch without actual hands on use so it's all based on those that have. Thanks again and keep em coming :wahoo: 
March 27, 2009 4:50:25 AM

I would recommend going for a super high end motherboard,CPU, and Rams, and buy a very good graphics card. so in the future you would not need to upgrade anything except the graphics card.
March 27, 2009 5:15:41 AM

stevensl2 said:
I would recommend going for a super high end motherboard,CPU, and Rams, and buy a very good graphics card. so in the future you would not need to upgrade anything except the graphics card.


depends how you define future... I guess 1-2 years maybe.. but then they're going to throw something new which would require a newer mobo (eg: 60nm to 45nm mobo support for C2D). They will always find ways to take your money ;) 
March 27, 2009 8:16:26 AM

Well at the mo the mobo changes are forced by DDR3....so really OP needs to get a board to support that which skyrockets the price.
Hard to say though how long DDR2 will be suitable for...its not imminent but it will happen.
March 27, 2009 11:43:32 AM

Ok, this is a bit over the top I'm sure and too expensive for me as well. I pulled it from www.mypowerpc.com and it comes out at around $2800 but it seems pretty sweet and along with what's being said. I'm open to suggestions to that are just as functional, have longevity but would make it more affordable. I've also checked newegg to see what prices were there to compare and that brought it down about $400.

What I've been looking at so far include:

Power supply: 850W coolermaster Real power pro-quad SLI ready (thinking about Thermaltake RU 850w with one large 12v rail as well)

CPU: Intel Core i7-940 2.93 GHz 8M L2 Cache LGA1366

Cooling fan: Asetek liquid cooling system *might move away from this

motherboard: Asus P6T Intel x58 SLI/CrossfireX Mainboard triple channel

DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/eSATA, GbLAN, USB2.0

Memory: 6GB Corsair

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX295 x2 1.7GB 16x PCIe

Hard drive: 500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM

Sound: Creative Labs X-FI XtremeGamer 24-Bit PCI

OP: Vista 64 bit
March 27, 2009 4:25:16 PM

What's the price diff between the 920 and the 940. Is it worth the extra ~260Mhz? Also, the DDR3 GSkeill 6GB kit was very well priced and performs very well so far. Not the fastest RAM on the planet, but when your running 12GB who cares :) 
March 27, 2009 7:47:59 PM

As far as the I5 is concerned, they are going to be for the mainstream desktop market, and will only support dual channel ddr3 and not the triple channel ddr3 the I7 suppports, they are based on the same microarchitecture as the I7 but not as fast or robust!! Here is a link to the data:http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Core-i5-to-Debut-i...
March 27, 2009 7:52:28 PM

Here is what I would build!

MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131365 (P6T Deluxe V2)

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115202 (intel I7 920) can be oc'ed to 3.6 ghz easily on air

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139007 (Corsair 1000W Modular)

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119160 (Coolermaster Haf 932)

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227365 (OCZ Gold 6 gb Kit )

HDD: 2X http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136283 (WD Caviar Black 640GB)

Graphics: 2X http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130442 for SLI (EVGA GTX 285) can purchase another for better performance than the 295 which I have

DVD Burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136137 (it does it all)(Blue ray DVD Burner)

Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824001280 (Samsung 24" Monitor)

CPU Cooler: A lot of folks on here like the V-8 cooler, I prefer the Thermalright Extreme 120 but that is up to you and new egg doesn't list it.

And you are waisting your money on 12 gigs of ram...won't make much difference if ANY in gaming!
March 27, 2009 7:59:21 PM

The reason I say go with the GTX 285 and get another for SLI is with 2 GTX 295's in quad sli it isn't as much of a performance pop as you would think.....something about the quad sli stuff drivers or whatnot isn't handling it as well as you would think, kind of stubles in some areas....2 gtx 285 on the other hand will freakin SCREAM!!! and it does out performe a single gtx 295. Perhaps in the future they might get the drivers lined out, but from what I have researched it's not worth it right now and if your not playing on a 30+ inch monitor then you don't need it!
March 28, 2009 12:27:50 PM

You all are great and this is shaping up to be a great discussion. Thanks again for your input and I'll be sure to check out your suggestions. Oh, and I won't be running anything on a 30" or higher monitor :) .
March 29, 2009 1:00:39 PM

Finding it. Any other suggestions from people of what they would build?
October 14, 2009 12:22:25 AM

Why ... when people are building new rigs... all they think about is bang for the buck... i realize most people are economical but there are some "crazy" people out here that just want performance so that they can brag..... like the person i met that has ..(from what ive heard) 24 ssd drives in his rig........ over 50k into his computer at this time..... im not talking about this crazy but.... why dont people talk about building a gaiming rig for the 3-5k$ ranges and get real performance. also why dont people compare the 295 sli to the 5870 crossfire, or one card vs. one card.
not the crossfire 5870 v.s the 295 or 5870 vs. sli 280
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October 14, 2009 3:31:27 AM

Most people don't have $3000+ to spend on a system. Buying the most expensive tech you can is not "cool", it just makes terrible economic sense. How are you going to buy all those games you want to play on this monster if you spend all your money on the PC? What happens when the next greatest thing comes out 9 months from now and you no longer have the newest thing out there? Are you going to tear all the parts out of your board and get the new ones just for bragging rights?

$3000-$5000 isn't "real performance", it is overkill. In a few months the same system will probably be hundreds of dollars cheaper or there will be a new and improved model that uses less energy. You do have to pay to power the thing so it may be smart to factor energy efficiency into the equation.
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