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D@mn Doom3 no 98 support?

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July 28, 2004 4:06:37 PM

Planet Doom is reporting that D3 will only run on Windows 2000 and XP. Huh, peeps with 98se and ME can't play? Somebody tell me this isn't true.

BTW, did THG undergo some changes? The fonts are different and I don't like it. I didn't change it, what happened?

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Win98SE<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Coyote on 07/28/04 12:08 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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July 28, 2004 5:49:43 PM

good, Win98 or below users should be shot/killed/raped (in that order)

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July 28, 2004 6:19:24 PM

Hah, I knew you were a necrophile. Now there's proof from your own post! (raping after killing)

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July 29, 2004 7:24:45 PM

"what is strange is, that the alpha ran in win98se."

Yeah, that is strange. Also 29% of consumers run 98 versus 38% for XP. Rounding up, that's a 45%/55% split. Why disenfranchise 45% of consumers?

Perhaps "no support" just means no tech calls or game patches for 98se. But it'll still run it.

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July 30, 2004 11:20:02 AM

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Yeah, that is strange. Also 29% of consumers run 98 versus 38% for XP. Rounding up, that's a 45%/55% split. Why disenfranchise 45% of consumers?

link?

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July 30, 2004 5:27:38 PM

Let's face it... Windows 98 is on the way out. It's a hard fact of life, but exactly how long should we expect developers to keep writing drivers / software for an OS that is already 5 years old?

Every new consumer computer purchased comes with Windows XP. Future hardware will have no driver support for Win98... it's already gone for 95... so 98 won't be too far behind. Why anyone would want to build a modern computer and then 'cripple' it with 98 I'll never know. Even Windows 2000 is vastly superior.

I know it would be nice to cling to 98 for another 20 years, but my God man... let it go.

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July 30, 2004 5:44:03 PM

"Why anyone would want to build a modern computer and then 'cripple' it with 98 I'll never know. Even Windows 2000 is vastly superior."

It doesn't cripple it. (See my sig) I ran a dual boot system earlier this year to check out XP. I found it to be a bloated P.O.S. with slow bootup & shut down times. Not zippy at all like 98se.

There is no speed increase to XP. It's been benched to death and proven. I can find a link if you need.

Beside gaming, I use my systems in the small biz environment. XP has no advantages there either. Sure, Sys Admin at large corps may like it. But so what, does nothing for me.

I just don't see any *up* in the upgrade, neither do a lot other people who don't buy MS marketing garbage. I'd rather spend my money on a hardware upgrade with tangible benefits.


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Win98SE<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Coyote on 07/30/04 02:21 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 30, 2004 7:41:10 PM

That's in buisnesses, where an O/S upgrade can take time and ALOT of money.
Your facts are flawed, we are talking about home PC's...not office / buisness ones.
Every new PC now is being sold with XP.

No one wants to see / use Win98 anymore

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July 31, 2004 1:53:00 AM

You completely missed the fact that I said Windows <b>2000</b> and not XP.

Slow bootup and shutdown times? Hmmmm... 30 seconds isn't all that slow last time I checked. My work machine boots even faster... the only reason it takes as long as it does is because I have my hard drive hooked up to the Promise controller rather than the onboard and it takes a few extra seconds to scan for hard drives.

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There is no speed increase to XP. It's been benched to death and proven. I can find a link if you need.


I didn't say anything about increased speed. What I have been touting is increased stability, vastly superior memory management and a much better file system.

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Beside gaming, I use my systems in the small biz environment. XP has no advantages there either.


See above. You could also 'borrow' a Windows <b>2000</b> CD and you'd still be better off than you are with 98. I'm not talking about huge increases in FPS here... I'm talking better overall stability, etc. Besides, how many FPS do you need to run a BSOD?

Again, 98 support is on it's way out. Doom 3 is the first of what I'm sure will be many titles to support 2000 / XP only. Yeah, it sucks if you don't want to change... but you have to realize that sooner or later you'll have to. Better sooner than later IMO.

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July 31, 2004 3:10:45 AM

Howdy Coyote
Just throwing in my 2 cents, I have my choice of running right now and have run them all, Win98SE, WinME, Win2K Pro, or WinXP Pro after running all four OP/SYS I've settled in on Win2K Pro w SP4, its just flat out the best Microsoft has to offer right now period. It runs circles around XP, does more than XP will allow, browsing and downloading, no activation crap, doesn't crash like SE does when the least little problem arises. I wouldn't be telling you this if you were running Win2K yourself, because you'd already know it. Its well worth you considering as a step up from SE in my opinion, and I respectfully say that to you. Ryan

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August 1, 2004 7:32:10 AM

LOL, I put 98SE on every machine I sell. That's right, every single one. I do this because it's fast and doesn't require huge amounts of RAM to run right. A 98SE system with 128MB of RAM will run circles around the same machine with XP and 256MB.

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August 1, 2004 8:35:05 PM

you still make systems with 128 / 256 Mb of RAM?
Average machine atm, ships with 512mb.

Given the choice, im sure the majority of people would prefer to have XP than 98...you can't even run the lastest games like Doom 3 on 98 :lol: 

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August 1, 2004 9:58:45 PM

The majority of people I deal with want the cheapest system possible, MY target price is $200! If they HAD $400 to spend, they'd buy a Dell. And when they ask about XP, I laugh at them, saying "You'll need at least 256MB to make it run right, and 512MB if you want it to perform well, buy this now and I'll upgrade you when you get more money".

MY major competitor is a local shop that builds XP systems with as little as 64MB of RAM! People come to me saying "It takes 10 minutes to boot and even then takes a lifetime to load programs". And that's when I REALLY laugh "OH, I see you bought it from THOSE guys. I'll upgrade it for you, but it's going to cost FULL PRICE, no discounts for their customers". Hehe.

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August 2, 2004 8:04:46 AM

What about 2000 damnit?!?

Win 2000 will run decently with 256MB of RAM... even runs well on 128MB. Not to mention you get all the stability of XP without the system bloat you're so fond of pointing out.

:smile:

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August 2, 2004 8:32:29 AM

I never tried 2000. What happened to me is that a certain game I played wouldn't work with ATI's Windows 9x driver, but did with ATI's XP driver, and I had a copy of XP, so I switched. Since I already had 512MB of RAM, the slowdown was small. But later I installed 1GB of RAM to make my video encoding faster.

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August 2, 2004 6:29:59 PM

Hi 4ryan6!

How ya doing?

You, Zoron and others do have me convinced to go to win2k when I switch. Mostly I'm patiently waiting til I can score a cheap/free copy (but not warez).

Mostly I was ranting (here and other posts) cuz since it's been annouced D3 won't run on 98se there have been to many vapid XP fanboi postings. That, and well, if this trend continues/accerlerates I'm gonna have a real headache at my small office. Uugh,gonna have to shell out buck$ to M$ and convert 5 pc's with all those years of data.

Anyway, looks like win2k is in my upgrade path.

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August 2, 2004 6:51:57 PM

Actually, I was wrong on one count. Doom 3 isn't the first title to support only 2000 / XP. Microsoft Office 2003 will only install on those operating systems.

:smile:

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August 2, 2004 7:35:49 PM

Somebody elsewhere posted that the new Thief 3 won't either.

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August 2, 2004 9:26:03 PM

Like I said in my first post:

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good, Win98 or below users should be shot/killed/raped (in that order)


Infact, ill expand the shot/killed/raped senario to include WinME users :lol: 


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August 3, 2004 5:28:51 PM

"Infact, ill expand the shot/killed/raped senario to include WinME users"

Oh no you won't, they are my friends. For without them- no chipset/vid card drivers w/b available for win98se!

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August 3, 2004 8:43:04 PM

sorry, it's too late. The senario has been expanded! :lol: 

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August 5, 2004 5:20:15 PM

OK, just saw the most compelling ever reason to switch. Win2000 sp4 blows 98se away in the benchies here. Check out the Doom 3 comparison (and oh yeah, 98se can play D3) , its a pretty big FPS advantage for 2k sp4.

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August 5, 2004 9:00:04 PM

finally, FACTS.
--*Pubic Service Announcement
That settles it - All users who are pro-Win98 will be shot / killed / raped (in that order).

Thank you
--*End Service Announcement

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August 5, 2004 11:40:04 PM

People who are still using 95/98/98se/ME?

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August 6, 2004 7:57:05 AM

I just finished "hunting" 98 (original) cd kee, had to install the guy's P2-350 puter with something legit for business use and had an OEM CD on the shelf, but lost the paperwork for it, so took about half an hour!!! (that is a long time for finding something these days;) to hunt the right one, hehe. So, yeah, there are a few of us using that legendary OS.


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August 6, 2004 2:06:05 PM

yes every single last one of you. Let go, Win2000 / XP is the way forward.

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August 6, 2004 10:30:29 PM

Here, you can borrow my riding mower.

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August 9, 2004 7:13:57 PM

nice, but I already have one of those robotic mowers that can detect the edge of the lawn (it prolly uses Win XP too :lol:  )

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August 10, 2004 1:18:25 AM

does it detect the end of your edge and start of the neighbor's as well ;) 

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August 10, 2004 5:36:31 PM

FENCE! :lol: 

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August 10, 2004 7:50:27 PM

I don't have a FENCE! that's why I was wondiring if it will work for me ;) 

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August 11, 2004 8:34:19 PM

You put a wire round the edge of your land. Anyway, you prolly run Win98 and so it wont work for you :lol: 

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August 11, 2004 10:15:09 PM

""You put a wire round the edge of your land.""

Oh, yeah, an excellent idea, how didn't I see that one? I will immediately implement your suggestion because I am dying to see the neighbors' kids to trip over it ;) 

PS: I have XP CD on the shelf waiting for a good excuse to be put into PC, that's why I was wondering about putting it into the lawn mower (at least some use;)



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August 13, 2004 2:58:54 PM

jeez dude, It was a joke!

I don't know how robotic lawn mowers work!

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August 16, 2004 4:24:10 AM

""jeez dude, It was a joke!""

Oh, why didn't you tell me that in the begining? Now I feel like a fool ;) 

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August 31, 2004 7:42:22 AM

you're right dude, my bad. Now we both feel like fools :lol: 

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