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Shocker: Apple Approves Opera Mini App for iPhone

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April 13, 2010 2:33:38 PM

Tried it out yesterday on my iPod Touch. It sucks. The page caching might be useful if I was on Edge but I don't notice any speed improvements over wi-fi. The menu is clumsy, red, and wastes way too much screen real estate but by far the worst thing about Opera Mini is how it renders pages. You have to zoom in to be able to read anything. Going to a news site such as Digg is readable on Safari without zooming in and completely incomprehensible on Opera.

I was actually looking forward to this release but I already deleted it. The whole tabbed browsing and fast Edge page loads is nice but irrelevant for me and it most definitely doesn't overcome all the negatives. They should have spent more time before releasing this.
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Anonymous
April 13, 2010 2:36:16 PM

now that's a surprise!
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April 13, 2010 2:37:39 PM

Downloading for Ipod Touch...

This is something I would like to see more of. It's kind of sad that there are SO many apps out there, but up until recently there really has only been one browser to use. I hope Apple loosens their grip and allows more of this stuff to happen. I also hope they don't remove Opera from the app store after they find out a lot of people are downloading it...
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April 13, 2010 2:51:22 PM

now chrome and firefox should do so

maybe they approved it cause it sucks so much and the fools who are cheap enough to be on an edge network wont be smart enough to download this app.
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April 13, 2010 3:06:13 PM

taybTried it out yesterday on my iPod Touch. It sucks. The page caching might be useful if I was on Edge but I don't notice any speed improvements over wi-fi. The menu is clumsy, red, and wastes way too much screen real estate but by far the worst thing about Opera Mini is how it renders pages. You have to zoom in to be able to read anything. Going to a news site such as Digg is readable on Safari without zooming in and completely incomprehensible on Opera. I was actually looking forward to this release but I already deleted it. The whole tabbed browsing and fast Edge page loads is nice but irrelevant for me and it most definitely doesn't overcome all the negatives. They should have spent more time before releasing this.

I would say that the only reason they approved it then, was to make their own browser look so good that Opera mini would be rejected by the Apple Almighty Sheeple vindicating Apple Almighty's so-called "wisdom" about what to approve.
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Anonymous
April 13, 2010 3:17:50 PM

i recall MS recently lost an anti-monopoly law suit with regards bundling web browsers with OS.....
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April 13, 2010 3:21:08 PM

This is probably a stunt to piss google off some more.
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April 13, 2010 3:22:33 PM

The IPod is filled with the blood of the innocent.
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April 13, 2010 4:02:35 PM

Clue: EU anti-trust law suit.
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April 13, 2010 4:03:21 PM

taybby far the worst thing about Opera Mini is how it renders pages


Yeah, this pretty much makes it useless unless the site has a good mobile version. It only lets you view the whole page or zoom in fully, no intermediate zoom. Very iritating.

I actually like the way they've done tabs, and it does seem quite a bit faster to me. If they can fix the zooming / font rendering, I'll definitely start using it.
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April 13, 2010 4:04:12 PM

Oh, and it probably looks better on a screen larger than my iPhone (i.e. iPad).
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April 13, 2010 4:30:11 PM

gm0n3yYeah, this pretty much makes it useless unless the site has a good mobile version. It only lets you view the whole page or zoom in fully, no intermediate zoom. Very iritating.I actually like the way they've done tabs, and it does seem quite a bit faster to me. If they can fix the zooming / font rendering, I'll definitely start using it.


Are you using cellular connection? Over wi-fi the speed difference was negligible. The tabbed browsing is not bad but it's the entire interface. Takes up way too much screen real estate, is very bland, and it's an obnoxious red. I could definitely live with the interface if they fixed the page rendering but as of right now it's not worth owning.
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April 13, 2010 4:37:45 PM

Tried it on my ipod touch and was disappointed because its able to display flash advertisements but not flash content from video streaming websites. :( 
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April 13, 2010 4:52:39 PM

taybAre you using cellular connection? Over wi-fi the speed difference was negligible. The tabbed browsing is not bad but it's the entire interface. Takes up way too much screen real estate, is very bland, and it's an obnoxious red. I could definitely live with the interface if they fixed the page rendering but as of right now it's not worth owning.


I'm using a cell connection (at work). I don't find that it takes up much real estate. The only difference between OperaMini and Safari as far as that is concered is the red bar, which I don't find offensive at all. The tabbed browsing takes up space, but only when you are switching tabs and its still better than what Safari has.
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April 13, 2010 4:55:08 PM

gekko668Tried it on my ipod touch and was disappointed because its able to display flash advertisements but not flash content from video streaming websites.

Apple would have never approved the app if it had flash. I doubt Opera is displaying flash advertisements, they are probably just gifs/html5 advertisements that display if the page detects flash isn't installed.

Not having flash on the iPhone/iPod Touch is probably one of the better choices Apple has made imo. I jailbroke my iPod Touch, and installed Flash and it completely tanked my battery life (and people would be angry at Apple if they claimed a 5 hour battery life and only got 2). Now, Apple blocking Flash CS5's app compiler... thats a different story.
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April 13, 2010 5:20:03 PM

gm0n3yYeah, this pretty much makes it useless unless the site has a good mobile version. It only lets you view the whole page or zoom in fully, no intermediate zoom. Very iritating.I actually like the way they've done tabs, and it does seem quite a bit faster to me. If they can fix the zooming / font rendering, I'll definitely start using it.


The windows mobile version lets you do intermediate zoom...I've had Opera for years and I've always been very happy with it's page rendering. It'll fit text to the screen automatically instead of having to use the touchscreen to scroll all the time..
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April 13, 2010 5:22:06 PM

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Those of you with iPhones will know that Apple sometimes rejects useful applications because they perform (or out perform) a similar feature or application offered by Apple on the iPhone.


Nice news. This little extract is interesting. If Kevin Parrish were in charge of this news, the first statement would be somewhat different. (BTW Mr. Parrish if you're reading this, I'm not saying this in a bashing or criticism way). Indeed, it shows how different we can express news even when writing news about an app's approval. Cheers
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April 13, 2010 5:22:36 PM

I tried it yesterday and loved it. I didn't really notice any wasted screen space, I use it in full screen mode any way.
I really like the way pages move as you drag them with your finger, and I might actually prefer the double tap to zoom, though they do need to add a pinch feature to it too.
The quick dial page is great.
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April 13, 2010 5:37:20 PM

I just tried out the full screen option, and its pretty cool. Lets you see a bit more. Still useless though since I can't read anything without zooming to full size.
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April 13, 2010 6:20:42 PM

not impressed
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April 13, 2010 6:40:57 PM

It's really fast, the main problem is the aforementioned zooming (or lack thereof). The fullscreen mode is really nice though.
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April 13, 2010 6:57:46 PM

I *very briefly* tried it on my 1G iPod Touch this morning.

Since speed is the primary advertised feature, I checked a couple normally very slow-to-render sites including Tom's Hardware and the Seattle Times. Wow, fast indeed!!!

Initial impressions: I did not find it very intuitive or easy to use. As others mentioned, I had to zoom to read anything, and the zoom/scroll features were a bit clumsy in comparison to Safari. It seemed there were many features with unclear purposes taking up a lot of pixels. Maybe with a bit more time I will discover their purpose and appreciate them, but in the first few minutes they just got in the way.

Apple has distilled Safari to "essence of browser", which is what makes it so usable on such a tiny device. I feel like Opera has missed that point. I am sure that future releases will either simplify or rework the UI.

I do hope that Apple allows more "competing" applications in the future.
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April 13, 2010 7:06:19 PM

Whether or not you like Opera Mini (using the Mini 5 Beta on my G1), at least you now have a choice. Pretty soon you might see Firefox or Chrome, if Mozilla and Google are so inclined to port their browsers.

Fact of the matter is, lots of people like Opera (and Opera Mobile, and Opera Mini). Now that it's an option for iPhone users, its a good thing. Just because you don't use it (or anything else Steve Jobs didn't personally crap-out), doesn't mean its worthless.

And no, if you're on WiFi or 3G you won't notice much of a speed difference, but if you are in the other 80% of AT&T coverage area that doesn't get 3G (remember those Verizon commercials), you WILL appreciate Opera's server-side rendering. It makes it much faster than locally downloading and rendering everything on the page. I especially like the image compression, which reduces the quality (if you tell it to), and also scales the image to fit on the screen. That saves lots of unnecessary data from being downloaded.
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April 13, 2010 8:28:51 PM

0_0..... wow, could this be the beginning of the end of a closed app store? probably not, but a man can dream.
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Anonymous
April 13, 2010 9:39:37 PM

FYI: the red bar can be turned off under 'Settings'. Just select Full Screen Mode. Much better.

Zooming still sucks though
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April 13, 2010 9:39:46 PM

HilarionI would say that the only reason they approved it then, was to make their own browser look so good that Opera mini would be rejected by the Apple Almighty Sheeple vindicating Apple Almighty's so-called "wisdom" about what to approve.

I agree...
One thing however.. internet browsing on the iphone using safari is great. I used to use iphone and now have a Blackberry and have used Opera... it blows.

Safari on the iphone is really pretty good.. best phone browser i have used. Destroys Opera and the Blackberry browser.
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April 13, 2010 11:15:52 PM

Similar thoughts. The menu is pretty nice once you set the browser to Fullscreen mode.

It would be a much better browser if it had intermediate zoom like Safari does.
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Anonymous
April 14, 2010 2:16:05 AM

in case anybody reads down this far,

Opera mini is pretty good. The UI for tabbed browsing as well as for the "back button" feature is impressive.

As for font rendering, it doesn't waste tiem and processing power "re-rendering" the font every time you zoom ever so slightly.

Opera handles large pages or graphically intense pages very well, and is FAR faster on my regular 3G iPhone than Safari is.

In short, they fix zoom (which is rather fine for me, tbh, but i'm young w/ young eyes) and I'd say it's far sexier than Safari.
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April 14, 2010 2:57:55 AM

I like it and will be using it as my primary browser. I like the tabs and the very fast page load (not as fast as the advertised video but still much faster then safari. At first i was confused about the zoom feature but then noticed that all the text on websites lines up into this nice neat size perfect for the screen. Its much faster to use then zooming in and out till you get all the text lined up so you can read in comfortably in safari. it also makes browsing and article reading with just one hand much faster. Though i do like the zoom its got with the text formating, i do wish it had another separate zoom function like safari for when you just need to zoom in more. Also i wish web pages that you previously load in tabs would stay there to be viewed offline instead of go away just like it is in safari. (im on the itouch so if no wifi no viewing web pages even if they were previously loaded)
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April 14, 2010 4:57:36 AM

I have opera on my WM phone and it really is bad, overall barely better than IE.
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Anonymous
April 14, 2010 5:59:44 AM

For those with zoom issues on Opera, go into Tools>Settings and enable Mobile View.

Mobile view is not always ideal but may help some people. I find Opera a faster browser experience.
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April 14, 2010 7:20:20 PM

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Shocker: Apple Approves Opera Mini for iPhone


AND I LOVE IT!
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