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March 11, 2005 11:15:48 AM

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Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot system for the following:

Win98se
W2Ksp4
WinXP


I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install a
boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer not
to use)?

Thanks,
Vic

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Anonymous
March 11, 2005 12:05:54 PM

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Windows XP will automatically detect the presence
of your two other Windows operating systems and create
a dual-boot loader. It will give you the option of booting
into Windows 98, Windows 2000, or Windows XP.
Therefore, a third-party boot manager is unnecessary.

Multibooting with Windows XP: Introduction
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmor...

HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306559&Product=winxp

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
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"Vic" wrote:

| Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot system for the following:
|
| Win98se
| W2Ksp4
| WinXP
|
|
| I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP
install a
| boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer
not
| to use)?
|
| Thanks,
| Vic
Anonymous
March 11, 2005 12:16:05 PM

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You may want to test by using FDISK on a new HD and create the multi.boots
in each partition which works perfect here on this 60GIG HD.

You will find much more info at:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
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"Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot
> system for the following:
>
> Win98se
> W2Ksp4
> WinXP
>
>
> I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I
> can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install a
> boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it
> NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer not
> to use)?
>
> Thanks,
> Vic
>
>
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Anonymous
March 11, 2005 1:42:22 PM

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Hi Vic,

I don't know how much you need/want to know about the sequence of installs
for creating multiboot of Windows OSes, so I'll try my best to answer any
questions you may have about that. The "rule" for installing multiple OSes
(without using a third-party bootloader) is to install them in order of
their "age", oldest to newest, and here is why:

WIN98SE (WIN9x, actually) does not comprehend dual or multiboot. It's boot
sector calls to load the system files needed to load the WIN9x operating
system (io.sys and msdos.sys). WIN2K (and WINXP), on the other hand,
understands dual or multiboot.....when it encounters a WIN9x-style boot
sector on C: drive, it will create a file called BOOTSECT.DOS (which
contains the WIN9x boot sector information) before overwriting the boot
sector with the NT-style boot sector which calls to load the system files
NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM and BOOT.INI (these files are copied from the install CD
to the C: drive during 2K/XP Setup). The BOOT.INI file contains the "path"
to each operating system that is detected during the install of the
operating system. If WIN9x is chosen from the boot menu during startup,
NTLDR will load BOOTSECT.DOS which then calls to load the system files
needed to load WIN9x.

If WIN9x is installed after 2K/XP is already installed, it will overwrite
the NT-style boot sector with the WIN9x-style boot sector, rendering 2K/XP
unbootable until repaired.

When XP is installed (with 9X and 2K already installed) a line containing
the "path" to XP is added to the boot.ini file on C drive. In addition, XP's
version of NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM overwrite the current (2K) version of
those files. XP's version of those files recognizes 2K and will boot that
OS. 2K's version of those files, however, does NOT recognize XP and will not
boot that OS.

If 2K is installed after XP is already installed, it will overwrite the XP
version of NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM with its own version, rendering XP
unbootable until repaired.


To answer your question, when you install XP (having already installed 98SE
and 2K) it will allow you to choose between the three OSes. It is not
necessary to use a third-party boot manager.



Regards,

--
Patti MacLeod
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User

"Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot
system for the following:
>
> Win98se
> W2Ksp4
> WinXP
>
>
> I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I
can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install a
> boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it
NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer not
> to use)?
>
> Thanks,
> Vic
>
>
March 11, 2005 2:14:21 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

Thanks to Carey and Patti for your responses! Patti, the detailed response really helped me understand the technical aspect of the
boot process (which I like).

My only other concern (for now) regards Xp's requirement to 'register'. I CONSTANTLY fool around with hardware changes including
hard drives. On the multimedia PC with W2K & Win98 I've changed HD's about four times within the last three months!

If MS looks at what HD it's installed on, will I have problems?

If MS looks at MOBO's (which if they HAVE to check something, it makes sense to me to check MOBO's) then there will be no problem (I
seldom change MOBO's). Do you know what MS checks so one doesn't have to constantly register?

Lastly, what version of XP would be best?
UPGRADE (from 98)?
FULL RETAIL?
OEM?
Home or PRO (I use W2k PRO)?

Thanks again
Vic
"Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot system for the following:
>
> Win98se
> W2Ksp4
> WinXP
>
>
> I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install
a
> boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer
not
> to use)?
>
> Thanks,
> Vic
>
>
Anonymous
March 11, 2005 2:14:22 PM

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You mean activation. Registration is just registering yourself as an XP
user for Microsoft's database. It has nothing to do with any changes you
may make and is optional at the time you install. Activation ties XP to the
computer and is affected if you make enough hardware changes. However,
activation is a simple process and you can make many changes before
reactivation is required. You will have no issues even if you do have to
reactivate. See:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302806
and
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302878

One caveat you may run into is that Win9x/ME does not handle more than 512mb
of ram correctly. I suggest that you consider Virtual PC 2004:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
Which enables you to run all of your operating systems without partitioning
or reboots to switch. It would allow you to have more than 512mb on your
computer and control how much is used by Win98. You can also run other
Windows systems and Linux systems.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
news:uWMrkVlJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Thanks to Carey and Patti for your responses! Patti, the detailed response
> really helped me understand the technical aspect of the
> boot process (which I like).
>
> My only other concern (for now) regards Xp's requirement to 'register'. I
> CONSTANTLY fool around with hardware changes including
> hard drives. On the multimedia PC with W2K & Win98 I've changed HD's about
> four times within the last three months!
>
> If MS looks at what HD it's installed on, will I have problems?
>
> If MS looks at MOBO's (which if they HAVE to check something, it makes
> sense to me to check MOBO's) then there will be no problem (I
> seldom change MOBO's). Do you know what MS checks so one doesn't have to
> constantly register?
>
> Lastly, what version of XP would be best?
> UPGRADE (from 98)?
> FULL RETAIL?
> OEM?
> Home or PRO (I use W2k PRO)?
>
> Thanks again
> Vic
> "Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot
>> system for the following:
>>
>> Win98se
>> W2Ksp4
>> WinXP
>>
>>
>> I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I
>> can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install
> a
>> boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it
>> NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer
> not
>> to use)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vic
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
March 11, 2005 3:41:26 PM

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You're very welcome for the responses :-)

I think that it's important to have at least a basic understanding of the
boot process when creating a dual/multi boot system, rather than simply
stating "install oldest to newest", due to the possibility of one
having/wanting to perform a reformat/reinstall of one of the earlier
operating systems in an existing dual/multi boot configuration. Even though
one might be reformatting and reinstalling, say, WIN9x on C: drive
(therefore retaining its position as the earlier OS installed on the
"earlier" partition), its reinstallation will overwrite the files necessary
to boot into the "later" operating systems.

I think you might be referring to XP's Product Activation vs. Product
Registration in your other query. Registration is not mandatory, but
Activation is required. If you do a hardware change that would necessitate a
repair install of XP (such as change of motherboard or installing the hard
drive into another computer with a different hardware configuration), then
yes, you would have to redo the Product Activation. If you are re-Activating
the product after 120 days following a previous Activation, then you could
perform that operation via Internet.........if not, then you would have to
opt to Activate by phone.

Since you are in possession of two qualifying operating systems for upgrade
to XP, then a more cost effective route for you would be to purchase the
upgrade version. Please note that, in order to upgrade from 2K Pro to XP, it
must be XP Pro. Since I am a "bells and whistles" type person <g>, I would
go for the Pro version anyway.



Regards,

--
Patti MacLeod
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User

"Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
news:uWMrkVlJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Thanks to Carey and Patti for your responses! Patti, the detailed response
really helped me understand the technical aspect of the
> boot process (which I like).
>
> My only other concern (for now) regards Xp's requirement to 'register'. I
CONSTANTLY fool around with hardware changes including
> hard drives. On the multimedia PC with W2K & Win98 I've changed HD's about
four times within the last three months!
>
> If MS looks at what HD it's installed on, will I have problems?
>
> If MS looks at MOBO's (which if they HAVE to check something, it makes
sense to me to check MOBO's) then there will be no problem (I
> seldom change MOBO's). Do you know what MS checks so one doesn't have to
constantly register?
>
> Lastly, what version of XP would be best?
> UPGRADE (from 98)?
> FULL RETAIL?
> OEM?
> Home or PRO (I use W2k PRO)?
>
> Thanks again
> Vic
> "Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot
system for the following:
> >
> > Win98se
> > W2Ksp4
> > WinXP
> >
> >
> > I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I
can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install
> a
> > boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it
NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer
> not
> > to use)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Vic
> >
> >
>
>
March 11, 2005 6:53:49 PM

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OK Colin, you peaked my interest in MS Virtual PC.
Looked at MS's web site but descriptions of how the software works is unclear and there are many questions:

Is VPC an 'OS' itself, or a 'shell'?
Does VPC require OS's to already be installed?
I have Win98 and 2K already installed (dual-boot). How would VPC help, or be beneficial?
Can an OS (eg Win95 or DOS) be installed IN VPC?
Does an OS HAVE to be installed in VPC?

Thanks for any clarification
Vic
___

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message news:eRCnK6lJFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You mean activation. Registration is just registering yourself as an XP
> user for Microsoft's database. It has nothing to do with any changes you
> may make and is optional at the time you install. Activation ties XP to the
> computer and is affected if you make enough hardware changes. However,
> activation is a simple process and you can make many changes before
> reactivation is required. You will have no issues even if you do have to
> reactivate. See:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302806
> and
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302878
>
> One caveat you may run into is that Win9x/ME does not handle more than 512mb
> of ram correctly. I suggest that you consider Virtual PC 2004:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
> Which enables you to run all of your operating systems without partitioning
> or reboots to switch. It would allow you to have more than 512mb on your
> computer and control how much is used by Win98. You can also run other
> Windows systems and Linux systems.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:uWMrkVlJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks to Carey and Patti for your responses! Patti, the detailed response
> > really helped me understand the technical aspect of the
> > boot process (which I like).
> >
> > My only other concern (for now) regards Xp's requirement to 'register'. I
> > CONSTANTLY fool around with hardware changes including
> > hard drives. On the multimedia PC with W2K & Win98 I've changed HD's about
> > four times within the last three months!
> >
> > If MS looks at what HD it's installed on, will I have problems?
> >
> > If MS looks at MOBO's (which if they HAVE to check something, it makes
> > sense to me to check MOBO's) then there will be no problem (I
> > seldom change MOBO's). Do you know what MS checks so one doesn't have to
> > constantly register?
> >
> > Lastly, what version of XP would be best?
> > UPGRADE (from 98)?
> > FULL RETAIL?
> > OEM?
> > Home or PRO (I use W2k PRO)?
> >
> > Thanks again
> > Vic
> > "Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
> > news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot
> >> system for the following:
> >>
> >> Win98se
> >> W2Ksp4
> >> WinXP
> >>
> >>
> >> I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so I
> >> can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install
> > a
> >> boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it
> >> NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer
> > not
> >> to use)?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Vic
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
March 11, 2005 6:53:50 PM

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Your questions:

VPC is the manager. It presents a standardized hardware emulation on which
you install an OS. It also interfaces with the host computer.

There are no preinstalled OS's involved.

You can reinstall Win98 and Win2k on your XP partition and reclaim the old
partitions. Within memory limits, of course, you can run Win98 and W2k at
the same time and utilize all three OS's as you wish. You would not need a
multiboot manager and you can use your hardware resources to benefit XP
without sacrificing anything to run the other OS's. No booting to switch.
No separate partitions to manage.

VPC is just as meaningless without an OS installed as a computer network
without any computers. By itself, VPC cannot do anything. VPC itself is
not even as useful as Notepad. It is the power of virtualization you get.

Example of using VPC:
Suppose you are running XP on your host computer using NTFS. You start VPC
and check off some choices in a wizard to create a 128mb virtual machine
with a 16GB virtual hard drive. You then start the virtual machine and
install Win98 like you would on any real box. Setup floppy, cd, and all.

When setup is done you have a Win98 pc with 128mb ram and a 16GB virtual
drive (formatted FAT32 even though the host is NTFS) using only as much real
hard drive space as the data stored in the vm's virtual hard drive file, say
2GB. The amount used on your real hard drive only grows as you add programs
and data.

When you want to use the Win98 machine you start it like any other
application. It runs in a window on your XP host desktop and you can move
files back and forth with the mouse from window to desktop and back. You
can share folders and all the rest. The Win98 surfs the web and can join a
home network you are using.

Performance:
Win98 runs much faster on my XP host than it ever ran on the older machines
I used in the old Win98 days. It saved me keeping an old computer around to
run Win98 because my present machine has 2GB of ram and multibooting doesn't
adjust the ram, so Win98 on this box was out any other way.

Choices:
Presently I run vm's with DOS(2), WFW, Win95, Win98, Win98SE(4), WinNT4,
Win2000 Pro, XP Home, XP Pro (2), and Win Server 2003 plus SUSE 9.1 Pro, Sun
Java Desktop 1 and 2, Vector Linux SOHO 5, Red Hat 9, Linspire 4.5, and
Amiga Forever 4. (Not all at the same time, of course!)

What works and what doesn't?
See: http://vpc.visualwin.com/ for the list of tested operating systems so
far (820), most of which work.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
news:%234DMwxnJFHA.3628@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> OK Colin, you peaked my interest in MS Virtual PC.
> Looked at MS's web site but descriptions of how the software works is
> unclear and there are many questions:
>
> Is VPC an 'OS' itself, or a 'shell'?
> Does VPC require OS's to already be installed?
> I have Win98 and 2K already installed (dual-boot). How would VPC help, or
> be beneficial?
> Can an OS (eg Win95 or DOS) be installed IN VPC?
> Does an OS HAVE to be installed in VPC?
>
> Thanks for any clarification
> Vic
> ___
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:eRCnK6lJFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> You mean activation. Registration is just registering yourself as an XP
>> user for Microsoft's database. It has nothing to do with any changes you
>> may make and is optional at the time you install. Activation ties XP to
>> the
>> computer and is affected if you make enough hardware changes. However,
>> activation is a simple process and you can make many changes before
>> reactivation is required. You will have no issues even if you do have to
>> reactivate. See:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302806
>> and
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302878
>>
>> One caveat you may run into is that Win9x/ME does not handle more than
>> 512mb
>> of ram correctly. I suggest that you consider Virtual PC 2004:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
>> Which enables you to run all of your operating systems without
>> partitioning
>> or reboots to switch. It would allow you to have more than 512mb on your
>> computer and control how much is used by Win98. You can also run other
>> Windows systems and Linux systems.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:uWMrkVlJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks to Carey and Patti for your responses! Patti, the detailed
>> > response
>> > really helped me understand the technical aspect of the
>> > boot process (which I like).
>> >
>> > My only other concern (for now) regards Xp's requirement to 'register'.
>> > I
>> > CONSTANTLY fool around with hardware changes including
>> > hard drives. On the multimedia PC with W2K & Win98 I've changed HD's
>> > about
>> > four times within the last three months!
>> >
>> > If MS looks at what HD it's installed on, will I have problems?
>> >
>> > If MS looks at MOBO's (which if they HAVE to check something, it makes
>> > sense to me to check MOBO's) then there will be no problem (I
>> > seldom change MOBO's). Do you know what MS checks so one doesn't have
>> > to
>> > constantly register?
>> >
>> > Lastly, what version of XP would be best?
>> > UPGRADE (from 98)?
>> > FULL RETAIL?
>> > OEM?
>> > Home or PRO (I use W2k PRO)?
>> >
>> > Thanks again
>> > Vic
>> > "Vic" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ezUU3xjJFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> Would someone please explain the sequence of installs for a multi-boot
>> >> system for the following:
>> >>
>> >> Win98se
>> >> W2Ksp4
>> >> WinXP
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have win98 and W2K installed already. W2K installed a boot loader so
>> >> I
>> >> can choose either OS via its boot-loader. Will XP install
>> > a
>> >> boot loader which allows me to select between the three OS's? Is it
>> >> NECESSARY to use a third party boot manager (which I prefer
>> > not
>> >> to use)?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Vic
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
!