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Anonymous
March 16, 2005 7:31:03 PM

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I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will not burn
a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I test
my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be a way
of testing a burner? Help

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Anonymous
March 16, 2005 9:53:02 PM

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Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
what make and model?

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"carebear88" wrote:

| I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will not burn
| a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I test
| my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be a way
| of testing a burner? Help
Anonymous
March 16, 2005 9:53:03 PM

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Hi and thank you. It is a samsungSM348B, not sure if it is a cd-r or cd-rw?
sorry, how will downloading the service pak 2 help? or is it just good to
have for securtity reasons? barry

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

> Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
> what make and model?
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "carebear88" wrote:
>
> | I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will not burn
> | a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I test
> | my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be a way
> | of testing a burner? Help
>
Related resources
March 16, 2005 10:15:02 PM

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http://www.search4hardware.com/8/p_8_2242_Samsung_SM-34...

"carebear88" wrote:

> Hi and thank you. It is a samsungSM348B, not sure if it is a cd-r or cd-rw?
> sorry, how will downloading the service pak 2 help? or is it just good to
> have for securtity reasons? barry
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
> > what make and model?
> >
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP - Shell/User
> > Microsoft Newsgroups
> >
> > Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "carebear88" wrote:
> >
> > | I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will not burn
> > | a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I test
> > | my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be a way
> > | of testing a burner? Help
> >
Anonymous
March 17, 2005 12:13:50 AM

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Troubleshooting: SAMSUNG SM-348 CD-RW/DVD ROM Drive User's Guide
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/p50160/en...

SAMSUNG SM-348 CD-RW/DVD ROM Drive User's Guide
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/p50160/en...

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
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Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"carebear88" wrote:

| Hi and thank you. It is a samsungSM348B, not sure if it is a cd-r or cd-rw?
| sorry, how will downloading the service pak 2 help? or is it just good to
| have for securtity reasons? barry
March 17, 2005 7:08:29 AM

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LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100% probability, that
his system wouldn't run XP!

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:uswmtuoKFHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
> what make and model?
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "carebear88" wrote:
>
> | I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will not
> burn
> | a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I
> test
> | my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be a
> way
> | of testing a burner? Help
Anonymous
March 17, 2005 7:08:30 AM

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What does that mean? I've installed XP on two systems that had CD-R only
without any difficulty.

"Tom" wrote:

> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100% probability, that
> his system wouldn't run XP!
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uswmtuoKFHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
> > what make and model?
> >
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP - Shell/User
> > Microsoft Newsgroups
> >
> > Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "carebear88" wrote:
> >
> > | I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will not
> > burn
> > | a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I
> > test
> > | my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be a
> > way
> > | of testing a burner? Help
>
>
>
Anonymous
March 17, 2005 1:58:56 PM

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You had better explain that erroneous thought to enlighten us who think we
know better!

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Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100% probability,
> that his system wouldn't run XP!
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uswmtuoKFHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
>> what make and model?
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>
>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "carebear88" wrote:
>>
>> | I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter will
>> not burn
>> | a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am going crazy, how do I
>> test
>> | my cd drive, I have done the new driver bit, no change...There must be
>> a way
>> | of testing a burner? Help
>
>
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 12:53:41 AM

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In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>

Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry level XP
systems with CD-R drives. LOY
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> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uswmtuoKFHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
>> what make and model?
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>
>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "carebear88" wrote:
>>
>>> I have been trying to use windows media, nero and sonic. Puter
>>> will not burn a cd, I have tried both CD-RW and and CD-R. I am
>>> going crazy, how do I test my cd drive, I have done the new driver
>>> bit, no change...There must be a way of testing a burner? Help
March 18, 2005 4:11:53 AM

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"Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>
>
> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry level XP
> systems with CD-R drives. LOY

Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their cheapest
desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for CD-Rs, only CD-RWs.
Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!

My first (non-built) PC purchase was from Dell in early '99', and even then,
they recommended CD-RWs (though the option was to buy a CD-R drive) I bought
my own CD-RW, and installed it, it was cheaper than theirs. The CD-RW disks
then cost almost $15
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 5:49:41 AM

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In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>
>>
>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>
> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their cheapest
> desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for CD-Rs, only
> CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>

Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...



List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.

Optical Drives
CD-ROM Drive
The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files and load
software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support high quality reading
of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows extraction of high quality audio
and data files even from CDs that have become dirty or scratched.
CD-RW Drive
With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can create their
own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than $0.50 each and hold up to
700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will allow users to easily create their
own custom data CDs for data back-up or data transfer purposes. It will also
allow you to store and share audio files, video files, large data files and
digital photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do. It reads
all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you have created with
your CD burner.
DVD-ROM Drive
The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color, picture
and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also prepare you for
future software and large data files that will be released or can be created
on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also read CD-ROM discs, effectively
providing users with full optical read capability in one device. Just as
with its CD-ROM drives, Dell DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital
Audio Extraction even when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a CD-RW, a
DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to have CD-RW and
DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up space for other devices.
With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM
discs and create their own custom data CDs on discs that cost less than
$0.50 each and hold up to 700 MB of data.
DVD+R/+RW Drive2
The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD technology,
built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your favorite original
video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video authoring software3) or to
archive up to 4.7GB of your personal data (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM )
to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc. The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R
and CD-RW media, as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and
DVD-ROM.



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March 18, 2005 5:15:55 PM

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"Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>
>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their cheapest
>> desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for CD-Rs, only
>> CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>
>
> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>
> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>
>
>
> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>
> Optical Drives
> CD-ROM Drive
> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files and load
> software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support high quality
> reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows extraction of high
> quality audio and data files even from CDs that have become dirty or
> scratched.
> CD-RW Drive
> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can create
> their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than $0.50 each and
> hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will allow users to easily
> create their own custom data CDs for data back-up or data transfer
> purposes. It will also allow you to store and share audio files, video
> files, large data files and digital photos with millions of other people
> that have access to a CD-ROM drive. This drive will also do anything your
> CD-ROM drive will do. It reads all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and
> CDs that you have created with your CD burner.
> DVD-ROM Drive
> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also prepare
> you for future software and large data files that will be released or can
> be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also read CD-ROM discs,
> effectively providing users with full optical read capability in one
> device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell DVD-ROM drives allow for
> high-quality Digital Audio Extraction even when discs have become somewhat
> scratched or dirty.
> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a CD-RW,
> a DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to have CD-RW
> and DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up space for other
> devices. With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can read DVD-ROM discs, read
> CD-ROM discs and create their own custom data CDs on discs that cost less
> than $0.50 each and hold up to 700 MB of data.
> DVD+R/+RW Drive2
> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal data (with
> RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc. The DVD+R/+RW drive
> writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media, as well as reads all these
> media types including CD-ROM and DVD-ROM.
>
>

Oh dear, seems you didn't read what Carey asked LOL (did you not say in
another thread that I need to follow the thread, to which I did apologize?)

The OP stated his problem, though he didn't say what drive he had. Carey
replied, " Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is, what make
and model?", which the OP replied what he has, and Carey gave him relevant
Sony links to his model. Carey stated CD-R, not CD-ROM types (or any
XXX-ROM), and there is a specific difference. CD-R specific models have not
been made in a few years, and some models, when made were not even supported
on Win98/ME let alone 2000/XP. There were actual drives made for CD-Rs,
though I am unsure if they then could burn to RWs when that disk format came
around, since there was a time when RWs were not available.

Again, did you see Dell sell actual devices listed as CD-Rs? (I know you
didn't lol)

http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_history.s...

One model in particular of among many brands (Buffalo comes to mind) that
wasn't supported by 98 and later, SONY CD-R CRX510E:
http://www.orlogix.com/support_dsl.php?pn=sbu&vendor=SO...

There ya go Mikey *-)
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 6:28:09 PM

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In news:eT44q7%23KFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>>
>>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>>
>>
>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>
>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>
>>
>>
>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>
>> Optical Drives
>> CD-ROM Drive
>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files and
>> load software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support high
>> quality reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows
>> extraction of high quality audio and data files even from CDs that
>> have become dirty or scratched.
>> CD-RW Drive
>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can
>> create their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than $0.50
>> each and hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will allow
>> users to easily create their own custom data CDs for data back-up or
>> data transfer purposes. It will also allow you to store and share
>> audio files, video files, large data files and digital photos with
>> millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM drive. This
>> drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do. It reads all
>> your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you have created with
>> your CD burner. DVD-ROM Drive
>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
>> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also
>> prepare you for future software and large data files that will be
>> released or can be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also
>> read CD-ROM discs, effectively providing users with full optical
>> read capability in one device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell
>> DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital Audio Extraction even
>> when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
>> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>> CD-RW, a DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to
>> have CD-RW and DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up
>> space for other devices. With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can
>> read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM discs and create their own custom
>> data CDs on discs that cost less than $0.50 each and hold up to 700
>> MB of data. DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
>> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
>> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
>> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal data
>> (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc. The
>> DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media, as
>> well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and DVD-ROM.
>>
>>
>
> Oh dear, seems you didn't read what Carey asked LOL (did you not say
> in another thread that I need to follow the thread, to which I did
> apologize?)
> The OP stated his problem, though he didn't say what drive he had.
> Carey replied, " Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
> what make and model?", which the OP replied what he has, and Carey
> gave him relevant Sony links to his model. Carey stated CD-R, not
> CD-ROM types (or any XXX-ROM), and there is a specific difference.
> CD-R specific models have not been made in a few years, and some
> models, when made were not even supported on Win98/ME let alone
> 2000/XP. There were actual drives made for CD-Rs, though I am unsure
> if they then could burn to RWs when that disk format came around,
> since there was a time when RWs were not available.
> Again, did you see Dell sell actual devices listed as CD-Rs? (I know
> you didn't lol)
>
> http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_history.s...
>
> One model in particular of among many brands (Buffalo comes to mind)
> that wasn't supported by 98 and later, SONY CD-R CRX510E:
> http://www.orlogix.com/support_dsl.php?pn=sbu&vendor=SO...
>
> There ya go Mikey *-)

My Oh My, I am getting old and forgetful. I completely forgot about CD-R and
my first burner was a Phillips CD-R.
Sorry for misunderstanding, but try to let up on the nit picking ragging on
Carey. For the occasional lapse in his posts, he makes ton's more that do
help.

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Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:26:39 PM

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If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not even
under customize this system.
There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM

Where did you find that CD-R ??

( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
CD-R = CD-Recordable
CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)



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news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> > "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> >> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> >>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
> >>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
> >> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
> >
> > Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their cheapest
> > desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for CD-Rs, only
> > CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
> >
>
> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>
>
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>
>
>
> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>
> Optical Drives
> CD-ROM Drive
> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files and load
> software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support high quality
reading
> of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows extraction of high quality
audio
> and data files even from CDs that have become dirty or scratched.
> CD-RW Drive
> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can create
their
> own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than $0.50 each and hold up
to
> 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will allow users to easily create
their
> own custom data CDs for data back-up or data transfer purposes. It will
also
> allow you to store and share audio files, video files, large data files
and
> digital photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
> drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do. It
reads
> all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you have created with
> your CD burner.
> DVD-ROM Drive
> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
picture
> and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also prepare you for
> future software and large data files that will be released or can be
created
> on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also read CD-ROM discs, effectively
> providing users with full optical read capability in one device. Just as
> with its CD-ROM drives, Dell DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital
> Audio Extraction even when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a CD-RW,
a
> DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to have CD-RW and
> DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up space for other devices.
> With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM
> discs and create their own custom data CDs on discs that cost less than
> $0.50 each and hold up to 700 MB of data.
> DVD+R/+RW Drive2
> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
technology,
> built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your favorite original
> video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video authoring software3) or
to
> archive up to 4.7GB of your personal data (with RoxioTM Easy CD
CreatorTM )
> to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc. The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW,
CD-R
> and CD-RW media, as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM
and
> DVD-ROM.
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
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Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:26:40 PM

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I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say, the
first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same for the
machine to the right.

--
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(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_NOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ek63nZ8KFHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not even
> under customize this system.
> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
>
> Where did you find that CD-R ??
>
> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
> CD-R = CD-Recordable
> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)
>
>
>
> --
> Tumppi
> Reply to group
> =================================================
> Most learned on nntp://news.mircosoft.com
> Helsinki, Finland (remove _NOSPAM)
> (translations from FI/SE not always accurate)
> =================================================
>
>
>
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> > "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>> >> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> >>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>> >>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>> >> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>> >
>> > Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their cheapest
>> > desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for CD-Rs, only
>> > CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>> >
>>
>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>
>>
> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>
>>
>>
>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>
>> Optical Drives
>> CD-ROM Drive
>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files and load
>> software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support high quality
> reading
>> of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows extraction of high quality
> audio
>> and data files even from CDs that have become dirty or scratched.
>> CD-RW Drive
>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can create
> their
>> own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than $0.50 each and hold up
> to
>> 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will allow users to easily create
> their
>> own custom data CDs for data back-up or data transfer purposes. It will
> also
>> allow you to store and share audio files, video files, large data files
> and
>> digital photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
>> drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do. It
> reads
>> all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you have created with
>> your CD burner.
>> DVD-ROM Drive
>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
> picture
>> and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also prepare you for
>> future software and large data files that will be released or can be
> created
>> on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also read CD-ROM discs, effectively
>> providing users with full optical read capability in one device. Just as
>> with its CD-ROM drives, Dell DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality
>> Digital
>> Audio Extraction even when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
>> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>> CD-RW,
> a
>> DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to have CD-RW
>> and
>> DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up space for other
>> devices.
>> With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM
>> discs and create their own custom data CDs on discs that cost less than
>> $0.50 each and hold up to 700 MB of data.
>> DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
> technology,
>> built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your favorite original
>> video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video authoring software3) or
> to
>> archive up to 4.7GB of your personal data (with RoxioTM Easy CD
> CreatorTM )
>> to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc. The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW,
> CD-R
>> and CD-RW media, as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM
> and
>> DVD-ROM.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
>> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
>> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewread...
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>>
>
>
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:26:41 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

In news:%23uIJDT%23KFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Colin Barnhorst <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say,
> the first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same
> for the machine to the right.
>

Thanks Colin,
Don't know what they are seeing, but I see the same as you. 8-)

I just ordered a no frills Dell for a friend for a neighbor friend and it
came with a 48x CD-ROM.
BTW, they are still shipping with a proper XP CD.


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http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
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>> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not
>> even under customize this system.
>> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
>> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
>>
>> Where did you find that CD-R ??
>>
>> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
>> CD-R = CD-Recordable
>> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tumppi
>> Reply to group
>> =================================================
>> Most learned on nntp://news.mircosoft.com
>> Helsinki, Finland (remove _NOSPAM)
>> (translations from FI/SE not always accurate)
>> =================================================
>>
>>
>>
>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> kirjoitti viestissä
>> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>>>
>>>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>>>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>>>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>>
>>> Optical Drives
>>> CD-ROM Drive
>>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files
>>> and load software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support
>>> high quality reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows
>>> extraction of high quality audio and data files even from CDs that
>>> have become dirty or scratched. CD-RW Drive
>>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can
>>> create their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than
>>> $0.50 each and hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will
>>> allow users to easily create their own custom data CDs for data
>>> back-up or data transfer purposes. It will also allow you to store
>>> and share audio files, video files, large data files and digital
>>> photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
>>> drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do.
>>> It reads all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you
>>> have created with your CD burner. DVD-ROM Drive
>>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
>>> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also
>>> prepare you for future software and large data files that will be
>>> released or can be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also
>>> read CD-ROM discs, effectively providing users with full optical
>>> read capability in one device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell
>>> DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital
>>> Audio Extraction even when discs have become somewhat scratched or
>>> dirty. CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>>> CD-RW,
>> a
>>> DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to have
>>> CD-RW and
>>> DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up space for other
>>> devices.
>>> With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can read DVD-ROM discs, read
>>> CD-ROM discs and create their own custom data CDs on discs that
>>> cost less than $0.50 each and hold up to 700 MB of data.
>>> DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
>>> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
>>> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
>>> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal
>>> data (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc.
>>> The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media,
>>> as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and DVD-ROM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
>>> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
>>> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewread...
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:26:42 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

Tom wrote:
> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!

Michael Stevens wrote:
> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY

Tom wrote:
> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!

Michael Stevens wrote:
> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>
> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>
> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>
<snipped>

Thomas Wendell wrote:
> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not
> even under customize this system.
> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
> Where did you find that CD-R ??
>
> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
> CD-R = CD-Recordable
> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)

Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say,
> the first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same
> for the machine to the right.

Michael Stevens wrote:
> Don't know what they are seeing, but I see the same as you. 8-)
>
> I just ordered a no frills Dell for a friend for a neighbor friend
> and it came with a 48x CD-ROM.
> BTW, they are still shipping with a proper XP CD.

Okay - this is one of those "semantics" things.

If taken as written, Tom did state "CD-R (only)" drive. This would mean it
would be incapable of doing anything but reading CDs and writing to CD-Rs..
Not CD-RWs. I still have a few 2x examples of this lying around that cost
$400 (or more) a LONG time ago.

Dell's come with CD drives, CD-RW drives, Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives or DVD
burners (that burn different formats depending on the drive, but almost
always burn CD-R and CD-RW disks as well.)

The trick here is that Tom specified CD-R (only). As far as I know - you
can no longer purchase (new) a CD-R (only) drive alone or in a package
system anywhere.. NEW.. Because they are not made any longer. All such
drives will now write CD-R and CD-RW - not just CD-R. You can buy a Dell
(as pointed out in the thread so far) with JUST CD-ROM drives, but there is
no Dell sold today that comes NEW with a CD-R (CD-Recordable) (only) drive
without getting the CD-RW functionality as well.

Yes - semantics.

Thomas Wendall pointed this out already:

CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
CD-R = CD-Recordable
CD-RW = CD-ReWritable

So, Tom's statement makes sense - although technically - I could put a CD-R
(only) drive in a system and still likely be able to use my 3GHz machine to
run Windows XP - who knows if I would be able to burn - but likely yes...
But i would have to buy that drive used and/or already have it from WAY back
(in technology years..)

--
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--
The information is provided "as is", it is suggested you research for
yourself before you take any advice - you are the one ultimately
responsible for your actions/problems/solutions. Know what you are
getting into before you jump in with both feet.
March 18, 2005 7:26:43 PM

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"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o Cza2h$KFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Tom wrote:
>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>
> Tom wrote:
>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>
>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>
>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>
> <snipped>
>
> Thomas Wendell wrote:
>> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not
>> even under customize this system.
>> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
>> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
>> Where did you find that CD-R ??
>>
>> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
>> CD-R = CD-Recordable
>> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)
>
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say,
>> the first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same
>> for the machine to the right.
>
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> Don't know what they are seeing, but I see the same as you. 8-)
>>
>> I just ordered a no frills Dell for a friend for a neighbor friend
>> and it came with a 48x CD-ROM.
>> BTW, they are still shipping with a proper XP CD.
>
> Okay - this is one of those "semantics" things.
>
> If taken as written, Tom did state "CD-R (only)" drive. This would mean
> it would be incapable of doing anything but reading CDs and writing to
> CD-Rs.. Not CD-RWs. I still have a few 2x examples of this lying around
> that cost $400 (or more) a LONG time ago.
>
> Dell's come with CD drives, CD-RW drives, Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives or
> DVD burners (that burn different formats depending on the drive, but
> almost always burn CD-R and CD-RW disks as well.)
>
> The trick here is that Tom specified CD-R (only). As far as I know - you
> can no longer purchase (new) a CD-R (only) drive alone or in a package
> system anywhere.. NEW.. Because they are not made any longer. All such
> drives will now write CD-R and CD-RW - not just CD-R. You can buy a Dell
> (as pointed out in the thread so far) with JUST CD-ROM drives, but there
> is no Dell sold today that comes NEW with a CD-R (CD-Recordable) (only)
> drive without getting the CD-RW functionality as well.
>
> Yes - semantics.
>
> Thomas Wendall pointed this out already:
>
> CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
> CD-R = CD-Recordable
> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable
>
> So, Tom's statement makes sense - although technically - I could put a
> CD-R (only) drive in a system and still likely be able to use my 3GHz
> machine to run Windows XP - who knows if I would be able to burn - but
> likely yes... But i would have to buy that drive used and/or already have
> it from WAY back (in technology years..)
>
> --

Though off the point, I have never used an actual CD-R when they were out,
simlpy because then the need for mass backup wasn't needed like it is now, I
used Floppies, and a second 3gig hard rive LOL. Anyway, can an 'actual'
CD-R drives, write to a CD-RW, as I wondered this as CD-RW disks seem to
have morphed seamlessly into writable media then?
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:26:44 PM

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"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:o gRcD9$KFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o Cza2h$KFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Tom wrote:
> >> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
> >> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
> >
> > Michael Stevens wrote:
> >> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
> >> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> >> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
> >> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
> >> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
> >
> > Michael Stevens wrote:
> >> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
> >>
> >>
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
> >>
> >> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
> >>
> > <snipped>
> >
> > Thomas Wendell wrote:
> >> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not
> >> even under customize this system.
> >> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
> >> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
> >> Where did you find that CD-R ??
> >>
> >> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
> >> CD-R = CD-Recordable
> >> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)
> >
> > Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> >> I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say,
> >> the first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same
> >> for the machine to the right.
> >
> > Michael Stevens wrote:
> >> Don't know what they are seeing, but I see the same as you. 8-)
> >>
> >> I just ordered a no frills Dell for a friend for a neighbor friend
> >> and it came with a 48x CD-ROM.
> >> BTW, they are still shipping with a proper XP CD.
> >
> > Okay - this is one of those "semantics" things.
> >
> > If taken as written, Tom did state "CD-R (only)" drive. This would mean
> > it would be incapable of doing anything but reading CDs and writing to
> > CD-Rs.. Not CD-RWs. I still have a few 2x examples of this lying around
> > that cost $400 (or more) a LONG time ago.
> >
> > Dell's come with CD drives, CD-RW drives, Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives or
> > DVD burners (that burn different formats depending on the drive, but
> > almost always burn CD-R and CD-RW disks as well.)
> >
> > The trick here is that Tom specified CD-R (only). As far as I know -
you
> > can no longer purchase (new) a CD-R (only) drive alone or in a package
> > system anywhere.. NEW.. Because they are not made any longer. All such
> > drives will now write CD-R and CD-RW - not just CD-R. You can buy a
Dell
> > (as pointed out in the thread so far) with JUST CD-ROM drives, but there
> > is no Dell sold today that comes NEW with a CD-R (CD-Recordable) (only)
> > drive without getting the CD-RW functionality as well.
> >
> > Yes - semantics.
> >
> > Thomas Wendall pointed this out already:
> >
> > CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
> > CD-R = CD-Recordable
> > CD-RW = CD-ReWritable
> >
> > So, Tom's statement makes sense - although technically - I could put a
> > CD-R (only) drive in a system and still likely be able to use my 3GHz
> > machine to run Windows XP - who knows if I would be able to burn - but
> > likely yes... But i would have to buy that drive used and/or already
have
> > it from WAY back (in technology years..)
> >
> > --
>
> Though off the point, I have never used an actual CD-R when they were out,
> simlpy because then the need for mass backup wasn't needed like it is now,
I
> used Floppies, and a second 3gig hard rive LOL. Anyway, can an 'actual'
> CD-R drives, write to a CD-RW, as I wondered this as CD-RW disks seem to
> have morphed seamlessly into writable media then?
>
The now obsolete CD-R (only) drives could not write to CD-R/W discs. I
recall that Yamaha, Memorex and a few other companies used to sell those
drives. They were eventually fazed out.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:32:49 PM

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You're welcome.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23zBUAc%23KFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> In news:%23uIJDT%23KFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
> Colin Barnhorst <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say,
>> the first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same
>> for the machine to the right.
>>
>
> Thanks Colin,
> Don't know what they are seeing, but I see the same as you. 8-)
>
> I just ordered a no frills Dell for a friend for a neighbor friend and it
> came with a 48x CD-ROM.
> BTW, they are still shipping with a proper XP CD.
>
>
> --
> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XPxpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewread...
>
>
>
>>> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not
>>> even under customize this system.
>>> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
>>> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
>>>
>>> Where did you find that CD-R ??
>>>
>>> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
>>> CD-R = CD-Recordable
>>> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tumppi
>>> Reply to group
>>> =================================================
>>> Most learned on nntp://news.mircosoft.com
>>> Helsinki, Finland (remove _NOSPAM)
>>> (translations from FI/SE not always accurate)
>>> =================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> kirjoitti viestissä
>>> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>>>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>>>>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>>>>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>>>
>>>> Optical Drives
>>>> CD-ROM Drive
>>>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files
>>>> and load software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support
>>>> high quality reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows
>>>> extraction of high quality audio and data files even from CDs that
>>>> have become dirty or scratched. CD-RW Drive
>>>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can
>>>> create their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than
>>>> $0.50 each and hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will
>>>> allow users to easily create their own custom data CDs for data
>>>> back-up or data transfer purposes. It will also allow you to store
>>>> and share audio files, video files, large data files and digital
>>>> photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
>>>> drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do.
>>>> It reads all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you
>>>> have created with your CD burner. DVD-ROM Drive
>>>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
>>>> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also
>>>> prepare you for future software and large data files that will be
>>>> released or can be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also
>>>> read CD-ROM discs, effectively providing users with full optical
>>>> read capability in one device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell
>>>> DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital
>>>> Audio Extraction even when discs have become somewhat scratched or
>>>> dirty. CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>>>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>>>> CD-RW,
>>> a
>>>> DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to have
>>>> CD-RW and
>>>> DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up space for other
>>>> devices.
>>>> With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can read DVD-ROM discs, read
>>>> CD-ROM discs and create their own custom data CDs on discs that
>>>> cost less than $0.50 each and hold up to 700 MB of data.
>>>> DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>>>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
>>>> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
>>>> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
>>>> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal
>>>> data (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc.
>>>> The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media,
>>>> as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and DVD-ROM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
>>>> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
>>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
>>>> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
>>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewread...
>
>
>
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 10:08:34 PM

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Tom wrote:
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>
>>
>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>
> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their cheapest
> desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for CD-Rs, only
> CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>
> My first (non-built) PC purchase was from Dell in early '99', and
> even then, they recommended CD-RWs (though the option was to buy a
> CD-R drive) I bought my own CD-RW, and installed it, it was cheaper
> than theirs. The CD-RW disks then cost almost $15

I have a home LAN set up. The PC that we connect to the internet with is
an old IBM machine. It's running Windows XP Professional SP2 and has an
Hitachi CD-ROM drive. I can run Belarc or Aida on it and post the
results if you so wish?
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
In memory of Alex Nichol
March 18, 2005 11:01:58 PM

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"Harry Ohrn" <harry---@webtree.ca> wrote in message
news:%23EyGUZALFHA.2952@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:o gRcD9$KFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:o Cza2h$KFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > Tom wrote:
>> >> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>> >> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>> >
>> > Michael Stevens wrote:
>> >> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>> >> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>> >
>> > Tom wrote:
>> >> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>> >> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>> >> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>> >
>> > Michael Stevens wrote:
>> >> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>> >>
>> >>
> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>> >>
>> >> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>> >>
>> > <snipped>
>> >
>> > Thomas Wendell wrote:
>> >> If your link is as you intended, there is NO mention of a CD-R, not
>> >> even under customize this system.
>> >> There is five products, CD/DVD from left to right are
>> >> 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
>> >> Where did you find that CD-R ??
>> >>
>> >> ( CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
>> >> CD-R = CD-Recordable
>> >> CD-RW = CD-ReWritable)
>> >
>> > Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> >> I just went there and if you read down the features column on, say,
>> >> the first machine ($299.00), it says under CD/DVD "48x cd-rom". Same
>> >> for the machine to the right.
>> >
>> > Michael Stevens wrote:
>> >> Don't know what they are seeing, but I see the same as you. 8-)
>> >>
>> >> I just ordered a no frills Dell for a friend for a neighbor friend
>> >> and it came with a 48x CD-ROM.
>> >> BTW, they are still shipping with a proper XP CD.
>> >
>> > Okay - this is one of those "semantics" things.
>> >
>> > If taken as written, Tom did state "CD-R (only)" drive. This would
>> > mean
>> > it would be incapable of doing anything but reading CDs and writing to
>> > CD-Rs.. Not CD-RWs. I still have a few 2x examples of this lying
>> > around
>> > that cost $400 (or more) a LONG time ago.
>> >
>> > Dell's come with CD drives, CD-RW drives, Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives or
>> > DVD burners (that burn different formats depending on the drive, but
>> > almost always burn CD-R and CD-RW disks as well.)
>> >
>> > The trick here is that Tom specified CD-R (only). As far as I know -
> you
>> > can no longer purchase (new) a CD-R (only) drive alone or in a package
>> > system anywhere.. NEW.. Because they are not made any longer. All such
>> > drives will now write CD-R and CD-RW - not just CD-R. You can buy a
> Dell
>> > (as pointed out in the thread so far) with JUST CD-ROM drives, but
>> > there
>> > is no Dell sold today that comes NEW with a CD-R (CD-Recordable) (only)
>> > drive without getting the CD-RW functionality as well.
>> >
>> > Yes - semantics.
>> >
>> > Thomas Wendall pointed this out already:
>> >
>> > CD-ROM = CD- ReadOnlyMemory
>> > CD-R = CD-Recordable
>> > CD-RW = CD-ReWritable
>> >
>> > So, Tom's statement makes sense - although technically - I could put a
>> > CD-R (only) drive in a system and still likely be able to use my 3GHz
>> > machine to run Windows XP - who knows if I would be able to burn - but
>> > likely yes... But i would have to buy that drive used and/or already
> have
>> > it from WAY back (in technology years..)
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> Though off the point, I have never used an actual CD-R when they were
>> out,
>> simlpy because then the need for mass backup wasn't needed like it is
>> now,
> I
>> used Floppies, and a second 3gig hard rive LOL. Anyway, can an 'actual'
>> CD-R drives, write to a CD-RW, as I wondered this as CD-RW disks seem to
>> have morphed seamlessly into writable media then?
>>
> The now obsolete CD-R (only) drives could not write to CD-R/W discs. I
> recall that Yamaha, Memorex and a few other companies used to sell those
> drives. They were eventually fazed out.

Thnaks for that info Harry, I did not know that since I never bought any
recordable optical drive at that time (they were pricy anyway).
March 18, 2005 11:09:21 PM

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"Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
news:o vMK8IBLFHA.3296@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> In news:eT44q7%23KFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>>>
>>>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>>>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>>>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>>
>>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>>
>>> Optical Drives
>>> CD-ROM Drive
>>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files and
>>> load software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support high
>>> quality reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows
>>> extraction of high quality audio and data files even from CDs that
>>> have become dirty or scratched.
>>> CD-RW Drive
>>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can
>>> create their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than $0.50
>>> each and hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will allow
>>> users to easily create their own custom data CDs for data back-up or
>>> data transfer purposes. It will also allow you to store and share
>>> audio files, video files, large data files and digital photos with
>>> millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM drive. This
>>> drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do. It reads all
>>> your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you have created with
>>> your CD burner. DVD-ROM Drive
>>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
>>> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also
>>> prepare you for future software and large data files that will be
>>> released or can be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also
>>> read CD-ROM discs, effectively providing users with full optical
>>> read capability in one device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell
>>> DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital Audio Extraction even
>>> when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
>>> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>>> CD-RW, a DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you to
>>> have CD-RW and DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up
>>> space for other devices. With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can
>>> read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM discs and create their own custom
>>> data CDs on discs that cost less than $0.50 each and hold up to 700
>>> MB of data. DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
>>> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
>>> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
>>> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal data
>>> (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc. The
>>> DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media, as
>>> well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and DVD-ROM.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh dear, seems you didn't read what Carey asked LOL (did you not say
>> in another thread that I need to follow the thread, to which I did
>> apologize?)
>> The OP stated his problem, though he didn't say what drive he had.
>> Carey replied, " Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it is,
>> what make and model?", which the OP replied what he has, and Carey
>> gave him relevant Sony links to his model. Carey stated CD-R, not
>> CD-ROM types (or any XXX-ROM), and there is a specific difference.
>> CD-R specific models have not been made in a few years, and some
>> models, when made were not even supported on Win98/ME let alone
>> 2000/XP. There were actual drives made for CD-Rs, though I am unsure
>> if they then could burn to RWs when that disk format came around,
>> since there was a time when RWs were not available.
>> Again, did you see Dell sell actual devices listed as CD-Rs? (I know
>> you didn't lol)
>>
>> http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_history.s...
>>
>> One model in particular of among many brands (Buffalo comes to mind)
>> that wasn't supported by 98 and later, SONY CD-R CRX510E:
>> http://www.orlogix.com/support_dsl.php?pn=sbu&vendor=SO...
>>
>> There ya go Mikey *-)
>
> My Oh My, I am getting old and forgetful. I completely forgot about CD-R
> and my first burner was a Phillips CD-R.
> Sorry for misunderstanding, but try to let up on the nit picking ragging
> on Carey. For the occasional lapse in his posts, he makes ton's more that
> do help.
>

I'll admit this time may have been a bit of a rag on Carey, and I'll let up
in the future, but I will point out when he makes blatantly wrong posts by
not reading the content of messages, as he does quite often (but I won't
rag). About the CD-Rs, I knew they existed (long ago), but I avoided them
because of the price.
Anonymous
March 19, 2005 6:05:20 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

In news:o PhQKBCLFHA.2716@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:o vMK8IBLFHA.3296@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> In news:eT44q7%23KFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>>>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>>>>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>>>>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>>>
>>>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>>>
>>>> Optical Drives
>>>> CD-ROM Drive
>>>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files
>>>> and load software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support
>>>> high quality reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows
>>>> extraction of high quality audio and data files even from CDs that
>>>> have become dirty or scratched.
>>>> CD-RW Drive
>>>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can
>>>> create their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than
>>>> $0.50 each and hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will
>>>> allow users to easily create their own custom data CDs for data
>>>> back-up or data transfer purposes. It will also allow you to store
>>>> and share audio files, video files, large data files and digital
>>>> photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
>>>> drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do.
>>>> It reads all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you
>>>> have created with your CD burner. DVD-ROM Drive
>>>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
>>>> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also
>>>> prepare you for future software and large data files that will be
>>>> released or can be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also
>>>> read CD-ROM discs, effectively providing users with full optical
>>>> read capability in one device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell
>>>> DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital Audio Extraction even
>>>> when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
>>>> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>>>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>>>> CD-RW, a DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you
>>>> to have CD-RW and DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up
>>>> space for other devices. With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can
>>>> read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM discs and create their own custom
>>>> data CDs on discs that cost less than $0.50 each and hold up to 700
>>>> MB of data. DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>>>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
>>>> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
>>>> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
>>>> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal
>>>> data (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc.
>>>> The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media,
>>>> as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and
>>>> DVD-ROM.
>>>
>>> Oh dear, seems you didn't read what Carey asked LOL (did you not say
>>> in another thread that I need to follow the thread, to which I did
>>> apologize?)
>>> The OP stated his problem, though he didn't say what drive he had.
>>> Carey replied, " Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it
>>> is, what make and model?", which the OP replied what he has, and
>>> Carey gave him relevant Sony links to his model. Carey stated CD-R,
>>> not CD-ROM types (or any XXX-ROM), and there is a specific
>>> difference. CD-R specific models have not been made in a few years,
>>> and some models, when made were not even supported on Win98/ME let
>>> alone 2000/XP. There were actual drives made for CD-Rs, though I am
>>> unsure if they then could burn to RWs when that disk format came
>>> around, since there was a time when RWs were not available.
>>> Again, did you see Dell sell actual devices listed as CD-Rs? (I know
>>> you didn't lol)
>>>
>>> http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_history.s...
>>>
>>> One model in particular of among many brands (Buffalo comes to mind)
>>> that wasn't supported by 98 and later, SONY CD-R CRX510E:
>>> http://www.orlogix.com/support_dsl.php?pn=sbu&vendor=SO...
>>>
>>> There ya go Mikey *-)
>>
>> My Oh My, I am getting old and forgetful. I completely forgot about
>> CD-R and my first burner was a Phillips CD-R.
>> Sorry for misunderstanding, but try to let up on the nit picking
>> ragging on Carey. For the occasional lapse in his posts, he makes
>> ton's more that do help.
>>
>
> I'll admit this time may have been a bit of a rag on Carey, and I'll
> let up in the future, but I will point out when he makes blatantly
> wrong posts by not reading the content of messages, as he does quite
> often (but I won't rag). About the CD-Rs, I knew they existed (long
> ago), but I avoided them because of the price.

Thanks Tom,
Fair enough, I think if anyone [other than Alex Nichol] answered as many
posts as Carey they would get it wrong occasionally. In Carey's defense,
even when wrong his replies are very seldom dangerous.
I am still smarting over not remembering there was a CD-R before CDRW and I
even had a SCSI CD-R. 10 bucks per disk was pretty steep and I did make a
few painful coasters. 8-(

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Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
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March 19, 2005 12:23:22 PM

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"Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
news:%239VegOHLFHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> In news:o PhQKBCLFHA.2716@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:o vMK8IBLFHA.3296@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:eT44q7%23KFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:o pdxDh6KFHA.2936@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>> In news:o MPbjF4KFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>>> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uRg4o73KFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> In news:o z0IlDtKFHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>>>>> Tom <noway@nothere.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>>>>>>>> LOL, if he had only a CD-R (only) drive, it is near a 100%
>>>>>>>> probability, that his system wouldn't run XP!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fine thinking there Tom, tell that to Dell who sells their entry
>>>>>>> level XP systems with CD-R drives. LOY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it, show me where at Dell they dell CD-Rs drives. Their
>>>>>> cheapest desktops (which are the 2400 series), have no shows for
>>>>>> CD-Rs, only CD-RWs. Funny Mikey, that you don't provide a link!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here you go, TommyBoy. LOY again! Didn;t think it was necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> List of the CD drives Dell sells with their systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Optical Drives
>>>>> CD-ROM Drive
>>>>> The Dell CD-ROM drive provides a low cost way to read data files
>>>>> and load software onto your computer. Dell CD-ROM drives support
>>>>> high quality reading of compact discs. Dell's CD firmware allows
>>>>> extraction of high quality audio and data files even from CDs that
>>>>> have become dirty or scratched.
>>>>> CD-RW Drive
>>>>> With the Dell CD-RW Drive, also known as a CD burner, users can
>>>>> create their own custom data CDs on discs that costs less than
>>>>> $0.50 each and hold up to 700MB of data. The Dell CD-RW drive will
>>>>> allow users to easily create their own custom data CDs for data
>>>>> back-up or data transfer purposes. It will also allow you to store
>>>>> and share audio files, video files, large data files and digital
>>>>> photos with millions of other people that have access to a CD-ROM
>>>>> drive. This drive will also do anything your CD-ROM drive will do.
>>>>> It reads all your existing CD-ROMs, Audio CDs, and CDs that you
>>>>> have created with your CD burner. DVD-ROM Drive
>>>>> The Dell DVD-ROM drive allows you to enjoy the crystal clear color,
>>>>> picture and sound clarity of DVD video on your PC1. It will also
>>>>> prepare you for future software and large data files that will be
>>>>> released or can be created on DVD media. A DVD-ROM drive can also
>>>>> read CD-ROM discs, effectively providing users with full optical
>>>>> read capability in one device. Just as with its CD-ROM drives, Dell
>>>>> DVD-ROM drives allow for high-quality Digital Audio Extraction even
>>>>> when discs have become somewhat scratched or dirty.
>>>>> CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive
>>>>> The Dell CD-RW/DVD Combination Drive brings all the advantages of a
>>>>> CD-RW, a DVD-ROM, and a CD-ROM to a single drive. This allows you
>>>>> to have CD-RW and DVD-ROM functionality in a single bay, freeing up
>>>>> space for other devices. With a CD-RW/DVD combo drive, users can
>>>>> read DVD-ROM discs, read CD-ROM discs and create their own custom
>>>>> data CDs on discs that cost less than $0.50 each and hold up to 700
>>>>> MB of data. DVD+R/+RW Drive2
>>>>> The Dell DVD+R/+RW Drive brings you the latest in rewritable DVD
>>>>> technology, built around the DVD+RW standard. Use it to store your
>>>>> favorite original video (with SonicTM MyDVD® or DVDit!® SE video
>>>>> authoring software3) or to archive up to 4.7GB of your personal
>>>>> data (with RoxioTM Easy CD CreatorTM ) to a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc.
>>>>> The DVD+R/+RW drive writes to DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R and CD-RW media,
>>>>> as well as reads all these media types including CD-ROM and
>>>>> DVD-ROM.
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear, seems you didn't read what Carey asked LOL (did you not say
>>>> in another thread that I need to follow the thread, to which I did
>>>> apologize?)
>>>> The OP stated his problem, though he didn't say what drive he had.
>>>> Carey replied, " Is your "CD Drive" a CD-R or CD-RW drive? If it
>>>> is, what make and model?", which the OP replied what he has, and
>>>> Carey gave him relevant Sony links to his model. Carey stated CD-R,
>>>> not CD-ROM types (or any XXX-ROM), and there is a specific
>>>> difference. CD-R specific models have not been made in a few years,
>>>> and some models, when made were not even supported on Win98/ME let
>>>> alone 2000/XP. There were actual drives made for CD-Rs, though I am
>>>> unsure if they then could burn to RWs when that disk format came
>>>> around, since there was a time when RWs were not available.
>>>> Again, did you see Dell sell actual devices listed as CD-Rs? (I know
>>>> you didn't lol)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_history.s...
>>>>
>>>> One model in particular of among many brands (Buffalo comes to mind)
>>>> that wasn't supported by 98 and later, SONY CD-R CRX510E:
>>>> http://www.orlogix.com/support_dsl.php?pn=sbu&vendor=SO...
>>>>
>>>> There ya go Mikey *-)
>>>
>>> My Oh My, I am getting old and forgetful. I completely forgot about
>>> CD-R and my first burner was a Phillips CD-R.
>>> Sorry for misunderstanding, but try to let up on the nit picking
>>> ragging on Carey. For the occasional lapse in his posts, he makes
>>> ton's more that do help.
>>>
>>
>> I'll admit this time may have been a bit of a rag on Carey, and I'll
>> let up in the future, but I will point out when he makes blatantly
>> wrong posts by not reading the content of messages, as he does quite
>> often (but I won't rag). About the CD-Rs, I knew they existed (long
>> ago), but I avoided them because of the price.
>
> Thanks Tom,
> Fair enough, I think if anyone [other than Alex Nichol] answered as many
> posts as Carey they would get it wrong occasionally. In Carey's defense,
> even when wrong his replies are very seldom dangerous.
> I am still smarting over not remembering there was a CD-R before CDRW and
> I even had a SCSI CD-R. 10 bucks per disk was pretty steep and I did make
> a few painful coasters. 8-(
>

In your defense, don't smart, as it seems apparent by many respondents that
CD-R was translated into meaning CD-ROM (the lone "R" is what got most on
this), and I can see how. If you read the whole thread, you'll see quite a
few who also think I was mistaken. And in all honesty, I am sure Carey meant
CD-ROM, as I have seen him correct others seeking help with their burning
devices.
!