THIS is what I've been talking about

Depends on adoption, it has been around for a wee while now so if i am sure companies have already decided if they are including it in upcoming games.

I have seen that clip before and really it is just an extension of ragdolls except done when people are alive rather than lifeless corpses.

At least that is what it looks like, not sure what fancy terms the creators use.

As for adoption, more and more games are using euphoria now: The upcoming SW game, Red Dead Revolver/Redemption, GTA IV, ect.

As I've said before, an implementation like this is better for consoles for the time being, until GPU acceleration becomes more mainstream for PC's (as far as i'm concerned, the larger bus width the GPU uses, plus is larger register set, would greatly speed up the calculations needed for this form of engine).

And this engine is totally different then ragdoll physics: Ragdoll basically puts a downward force on an object, where each part of it (IE: each limb) can move independently, which leads to akward movements. This engine not only can apply multiple forces on a single object, because of the structure (IE, bones and muscles instead of sperate limbs), you get far more realistic movement. Furthermore, AI can be added to greater enhance how the objects interact (Trying to break a fall while in midair, etc), something ragdoll physics could never even attempt.

This engine is essentailly the blending of physics with AI. And for an engine that still hasn't seen its premire game released (Backbreaker), its adoption rate is still quite high. This could be as influential an engine as the Quake II engine was all those years ago...

I fail to see how an engine that can take multiple forces (instead of just one downward force), that also seemlessly blends in AI can be called an extension of ragdolls.

Now, if your telling me that ragdoll effects can potentially simulate a rockslide if I shoot an RPG at a mountainside, then we could go somewhere. Euphoria gives that ability: Dynamic generation of events based on outside stimuli, none of it having to be coded in. Ragdolls, by contrast, simply throws a force downward and has things bounce around a bit. To me, theres no comparision between the two.

I guess you would also argue if we took every physics equation known to man, and made a unified physics API out of it, that would also be an extension to ragdolls?

Again, you're the one whose mistaken. Lets confine this to a person to make the discussiona bit easier.

Ragdoll mechanics essentially takes a characters limbs (Arms, legs, torso, and head), and applys a force downward (or at a slight angle). Each acts independently of the other, and to get realistic movement takes a lot of back-end code to limit the range of motion for each individual limb.

Eurphoria is a totally different beast. Rather then confine effects to each limb, each person has a (potentially unique) body structure (Bones + Muscles at the moment, but other layers, such as skin, could potentially be added (burn damage???)). As a result of that structure, the engine itself will handle the range of motion allowed for indivudual body parts. Besides a more realistic range of motion, this system also allows for realistic simulation of injuries (by body parts exceeding the allowable range of motion), and also for the effects those injuries would have on movement.

For example, you could have a flight where a character has his leg snapped. As a result of the skeletal structure, and the engine itself, that character, upon trying to walk, would immediatly fall over again, due to his bad leg not being able to support his weight. Hence, a major advantage over plain on ragdoll provided by Euphoria.


I'm focused on the capabilities of the engine itself. Weather or not they are used is another debate entirly. But from what I've seen and read so far, Euphoria might be the step between animation-event based engines and a full Physics API.

And again, thats exactly what I did. Euphoria is an ENGINE, you either talk about all its capabilities, or none at all. All I did was show how the two are completly different, and just like our last thread together, things quickly degenerated from there. I'm not going to waste my time since I know we'll spend the next 5 pages arguing the same point over and over again.

I'm with gamerk316 on this. Far more complex then just ragdolls, Like reacting to impacts then getting up again and performing tasks like grabbing puts it on a different level to just conventional ragdolls and scripted animations.