XP Pro Upgrade or Full Version

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You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.

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"Mike" wrote:

| I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
| totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and
| they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk
| with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to
| to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
| think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my
| machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.

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They would still have had to provide a way to reinstall. Read the manual.

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"Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com...
>I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
> totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and
> they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk
> with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to
> to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
> think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my
> machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.

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In news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com,
Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:

> I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
> system
> seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who
> know
> their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
> system, but
> I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
> right)


You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is
it XP Home?


> Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro


Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP
Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
all) home users, even those with a home network, these features
aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional
instead of Home is a waste of money.


> and want to know if I need
> the upgrade or the full version.


To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying
version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a
clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that
previous version. If the previous version is not installed,
you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership.

With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean
installation, without restriction.

But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version,
which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many
people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions)
with the Full version.

If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to
buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of
Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade.

When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM
you brought it from was required to give you a means of
reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden
partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there.
Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to
find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary.


> I think my registry has quite a few
> errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like
> it
> used to. Any help is appreciated.


Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd
post the details of your problems here and give us the
opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few
people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be
necessary.

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Hi Mike
i just wanted to know what system you were using because xp home is just as
good as xp pro. I had both and have stayed with xp home edition.

If it was pre installed in which most are:
You can easily restore your computer back to factory settings and start all
over either keeping all your existing files or a complete and utter restore
so nothing is saved.
it is not necessary to upgrade if you just want your system running the way
that it use to i would just restore back to factory settings - easier and a
hell of a lot cheaper!!
its up to you though your the one with the computer
best of luck

Xp

"Ken Blake" wrote:

> In news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com,
> Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>
> > I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
> > system
> > seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who
> > know
> > their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
> > system, but
> > I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
> > right)
>
>
> You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is
> it XP Home?
>
>
> > Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro
>
>
> Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP
> Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
> except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
> networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
> all) home users, even those with a home network, these features
> aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional
> instead of Home is a waste of money.
>
>
> > and want to know if I need
> > the upgrade or the full version.
>
>
> To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying
> version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a
> clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that
> previous version. If the previous version is not installed,
> you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership.
>
> With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean
> installation, without restriction.
>
> But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version,
> which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many
> people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions)
> with the Full version.
>
> If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to
> buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of
> Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade.
>
> When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM
> you brought it from was required to give you a means of
> reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden
> partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there.
> Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to
> find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary.
>
>
> > I think my registry has quite a few
> > errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like
> > it
> > used to. Any help is appreciated.
>
>
> Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd
> post the details of your problems here and give us the
> opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few
> people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be
> necessary.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>

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Michael Stevens wrote:
> In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
> Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> Not quite true. Let me explain.
>> If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
>> Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to
>> use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional.
>> Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
>>
>> I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
>> mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and
>> was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
>> Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
>> have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
>> third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before
>> installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media
>> laying around somewhere accessible.
>> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro)
>> during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media
>> were met.
>
> What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
> catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any
> restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a
> qualifying Windows CD.
>

If I plan to reinstall again, I would keep my old installation of XP on the
HD, then boot with the XP CD. At the start of the Setup program, it will
search my HD, and find the current installation of XP. This is how I used
my recently purchased XP Retail Upgrade CD. I was never asked for
qualifying media. I WAS asked for qualifying media the one time I
partitioned and formatted from DOS before beginning the Setup program.

However, I would not purchase a Retail Upgrade CD UNLESS I had qualifying
media, either my HD, or a previous version of Windows. I think I have been
quite clear about this in my previous post. In fact, I PLAINLY STATED, with
EMPHASIS "DONT DO IT if you dont have qualifying media.". I have purchased
every iteration of Windows since 3.1, so I have plenty of qualifying media
stored in a safe place.

In the case of those who have NO qualifying media, I advise going whole-hog,
and purchasing a so-called "Full Retail" of XP. It will be $130 or more
than the Retail Upgrade, or $200 more than a so-called "Full OEM".

I used to advise purchasing Full OEM copies of XP because of their
cheapness. However, I no longer do, because of Microsoft's recent disavowal
of our OEM EULA. I wouldn't want someone to shell out $130+ for a Full OEM
of XP Pro, and not be able to activate their OS because of not being able to
convince an Activation person that they had a legitimate copy of XP. Also,
so many Full OEMs are pulls nowadays, they would not get a legitimate
license to XP.

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Michael Stevens wrote:
> In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
> Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
>> Not quite true. Let me explain.
>> If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
>> Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to
>> use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional.
>> Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
>>
>> I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
>> mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and
>> was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
>> Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
>> have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
>> third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before
>> installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media
>> laying around somewhere accessible.
>> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro)
>> during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media
>> were met.
>
> What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
> catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any
> restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a
> qualifying Windows CD.
>
>
>
>>
>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u3c42mZNFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
>>> you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
>>> and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.
>>>
>>> Clean Install Windows XP
>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carey Frisch
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>>
>>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/se [...] hoose.mspx
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Mike" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system
>>>> seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know
>>>> their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system,
>>>> but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
>>>> right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know
>>>> if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has
>>>> quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to
>>>> run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.

You Microsoft Apologists are just too much. When I advised people to
purchase Full OEM CDs, you found fault with me. Now that I no longer advise
purchasing Full OEMs, and instead advise purchasing Retail Upgrade CDs, you
find fault with me. I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. It's all so
CONFUSING!!!.

You guys are totally weird!



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In news:%23Rwx9i6NFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
>> Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied
>> ;-)
>>> Not quite true. Let me explain.
>>> If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
>>> Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible
>>> to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP
>>> Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
>>>
>>> I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
>>> mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro,
>>> and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
>>> Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
>>> have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
>>> third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD
>>> before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying
>>> Media laying around somewhere accessible.
>>> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP
>>> Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying
>>> Media were met.
>>
>> What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
>> catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any
>> restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a
>> qualifying Windows CD.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u3c42mZNFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
>>>> you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
>>>> and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.
>>>>
>>>> Clean Install Windows XP
>>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carey Frisch
>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>>>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>>>
>>>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/se [...] hoose.mspx
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "Mike" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
>>>>> system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally
>>>>> who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
>>>>> system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal!
>>>>> yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want
>>>>> to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my
>>>>> registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like
>>>>> my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
>
> You Microsoft Apologists are just too much. When I advised people to
> purchase Full OEM CDs, you found fault with me. Now that I no longer
> advise purchasing Full OEMs, and instead advise purchasing Retail
> Upgrade CDs, you find fault with me. I'm damned if I do, and damned
> if I don't. It's all so CONFUSING!!!. can't
>
> You guys are totally weird!

What is weird about giving all the facts? If they don't have qualifying
media, not restore partitions on the hard drive, it is not the best advice
to purchase the upgrade. If they have no qualifier, they can't use the
upgrade CD. If they have restore disks or a qualifying Windows CD, then the
upgrade is good.
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If his copy came preloaded then it would be an OEM version and would be
tied to that machine so if it dies then the licence goes with it, that
is why they are much cheaper than a full retail copy.
Joan

Mojo wrote:

>
> My brother's pc is dying and using the recovery disk doesn't work, I
> suspect either virus of hard disk malfunction, and it seems wrong to
> purchase another version of XP when you've already purchased it with
> the PC.
>