XP Pro Upgrade or Full Version

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I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and
they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk
with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to
to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my
machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
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  1. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
    you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
    and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.

    Clean Install Windows XP
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows XP - Shell/User
    Microsoft Newsgroups

    Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Mike" wrote:

    | I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
    | totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and
    | they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk
    | with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to
    | to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
    | think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my
    | machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
  2. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
    >totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and
    >they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk
    >with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to
    >to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
    >think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my
    >machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.

    If you have an installed version of Windows on your computer (other
    than Windows 95) you can use the Retail Upgrade version of Windows XP
    Pro.

    Boot the computer with the XP Pro installation CD and choose either
    the option to install a clean copy of XP, deleting the existing
    installed Windows, or to upgrade your existing Windows. You might
    try the upgrade route first and if that fails then do the clean
    install route.

    If you want to preserve your existing data and configuration settings
    you can use the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard on the XP
    installation CD to save this data to a removable disk (e.g. CDRW), a
    network drive, or some other removable backup device. See the article
    by MVP Gary Woodruff at http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/fast.htm

    Good luck


    Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
    --
    Microsoft MVP
    On-Line Help Computer Service
    http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

    In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
    http://aumha.org/alex.htm
  3. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    Not quite true. Let me explain.
    If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on
    the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail
    Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would
    rather pay a $100 less for my OS.

    I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in mid-stride.
    I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and was completely
    surprised when I was never asked for proof of Qualifying Media during the
    install process. I'm sure that I would have been asked for proof of
    Qualifying Media if I had used a third-party tool or fdisk/format to
    partition and format my HD before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't
    have Qualifying Media laying around somewhere accessible.

    I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during
    the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met.

    --
    Donald L McDaniel
    Please reply to the original thread,
    so that the thread may be kept intact.
    ==============================

    "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:u3c42mZNFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
    > you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
    > and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.
    >
    > Clean Install Windows XP
    > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
    >
    > --
    > Carey Frisch
    > Microsoft MVP
    > Windows XP - Shell/User
    > Microsoft Newsgroups
    >
    > Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
    >
    > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > "Mike" wrote:
    >
    > | I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system
    > seems
    > | totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff
    > and
    > | they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the
    > disk
    > | with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of
    > going to
    > | to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
    > | think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd
    > like my
    > | machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
  4. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    In news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com,
    Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:

    > I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
    > system
    > seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who
    > know
    > their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
    > system, but
    > I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
    > right)


    You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is
    it XP Home?


    > Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro


    Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP
    Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
    except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
    networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
    all) home users, even those with a home network, these features
    aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional
    instead of Home is a waste of money.


    > and want to know if I need
    > the upgrade or the full version.


    To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying
    version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a
    clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that
    previous version. If the previous version is not installed,
    you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership.

    With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean
    installation, without restriction.

    But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version,
    which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many
    people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions)
    with the Full version.

    If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to
    buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of
    Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade.

    When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM
    you brought it from was required to give you a means of
    reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden
    partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there.
    Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to
    find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary.


    > I think my registry has quite a few
    > errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like
    > it
    > used to. Any help is appreciated.


    Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd
    post the details of your problems here and give us the
    opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few
    people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be
    necessary.

    --
    Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
    Please reply to the newsgroup
  5. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    They would still have had to provide a way to reinstall. Read the manual.

    --
    ----------------------------------------------------------

    "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com...
    >I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
    > totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and
    > they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk
    > with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to
    > to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I
    > think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my
    > machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
  6. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:37:14 -0800, Donald L McDaniel wrote:

    > I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during
    > the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met.

    When starting the install from the older version of Windows, even if
    deleting that partition for a clean install, what you've recounted is how
    setup will progress. On the other hand, when starting setup by booting with
    the XP CD - I've always had to show the required "proof" by inserting the
    CD for the older operating system.

    I think that I just said what you said but with different words? :)

    --
    Sharon F
    MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User
  7. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    Hi Mike
    i just wanted to know what system you were using because xp home is just as
    good as xp pro. I had both and have stayed with xp home edition.

    If it was pre installed in which most are:
    You can easily restore your computer back to factory settings and start all
    over either keeping all your existing files or a complete and utter restore
    so nothing is saved.
    it is not necessary to upgrade if you just want your system running the way
    that it use to i would just restore back to factory settings - easier and a
    hell of a lot cheaper!!
    its up to you though your the one with the computer
    best of luck :)

    Xp

    "Ken Blake" wrote:

    > In news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com,
    > Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
    >
    > > I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
    > > system
    > > seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who
    > > know
    > > their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
    > > system, but
    > > I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
    > > right)
    >
    >
    > You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is
    > it XP Home?
    >
    >
    > > Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro
    >
    >
    > Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP
    > Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
    > except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
    > networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
    > all) home users, even those with a home network, these features
    > aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional
    > instead of Home is a waste of money.
    >
    >
    > > and want to know if I need
    > > the upgrade or the full version.
    >
    >
    > To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying
    > version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a
    > clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that
    > previous version. If the previous version is not installed,
    > you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership.
    >
    > With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean
    > installation, without restriction.
    >
    > But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version,
    > which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many
    > people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions)
    > with the Full version.
    >
    > If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to
    > buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of
    > Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade.
    >
    > When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM
    > you brought it from was required to give you a means of
    > reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden
    > partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there.
    > Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to
    > find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary.
    >
    >
    > > I think my registry has quite a few
    > > errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like
    > > it
    > > used to. Any help is appreciated.
    >
    >
    > Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd
    > post the details of your problems here and give us the
    > opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few
    > people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be
    > necessary.
    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
    > Please reply to the newsgroup
    >
    >
    >
  8. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
    Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
    > Not quite true. Let me explain.
    > If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
    > Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to
    > use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional.
    > Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
    >
    > I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
    > mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and
    > was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
    > Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
    > have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
    > third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before
    > installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media
    > laying around somewhere accessible.
    > I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro)
    > during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media
    > were met.

    What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
    catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any restore
    media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a qualifying Windows
    CD.


    --
    Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
    xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
    For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm


    >
    > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:u3c42mZNFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
    >> you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
    >> and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.
    >>
    >> Clean Install Windows XP
    >> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
    >>
    >> --
    >> Carey Frisch
    >> Microsoft MVP
    >> Windows XP - Shell/User
    >> Microsoft Newsgroups
    >>
    >> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
    >>
    >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>
    >> "Mike" wrote:
    >>
    >>> I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system
    >>> seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know
    >>> their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system,
    >>> but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
    >>> right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know
    >>> if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has
    >>> quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to
    >>> run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
  9. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    Michael Stevens wrote:
    > In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
    > Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
    >> Not quite true. Let me explain.
    >> If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
    >> Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to
    >> use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional.
    >> Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
    >>
    >> I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
    >> mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and
    >> was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
    >> Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
    >> have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
    >> third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before
    >> installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media
    >> laying around somewhere accessible.
    >> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro)
    >> during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media
    >> were met.
    >
    > What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
    > catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any
    > restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a
    > qualifying Windows CD.
    >

    If I plan to reinstall again, I would keep my old installation of XP on the
    HD, then boot with the XP CD. At the start of the Setup program, it will
    search my HD, and find the current installation of XP. This is how I used
    my recently purchased XP Retail Upgrade CD. I was never asked for
    qualifying media. I WAS asked for qualifying media the one time I
    partitioned and formatted from DOS before beginning the Setup program.

    However, I would not purchase a Retail Upgrade CD UNLESS I had qualifying
    media, either my HD, or a previous version of Windows. I think I have been
    quite clear about this in my previous post. In fact, I PLAINLY STATED, with
    EMPHASIS "DONT DO IT if you dont have qualifying media.". I have purchased
    every iteration of Windows since 3.1, so I have plenty of qualifying media
    stored in a safe place.

    In the case of those who have NO qualifying media, I advise going whole-hog,
    and purchasing a so-called "Full Retail" of XP. It will be $130 or more
    than the Retail Upgrade, or $200 more than a so-called "Full OEM".

    I used to advise purchasing Full OEM copies of XP because of their
    cheapness. However, I no longer do, because of Microsoft's recent disavowal
    of our OEM EULA. I wouldn't want someone to shell out $130+ for a Full OEM
    of XP Pro, and not be able to activate their OS because of not being able to
    convince an Activation person that they had a legitimate copy of XP. Also,
    so many Full OEMs are pulls nowadays, they would not get a legitimate
    license to XP.

    --
    Donald L McDaniel
    Please reply to the original thread,
    so that the thread may be kept intact.
    ==============================
  10. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    Sharon F wrote:
    > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:37:14 -0800, Donald L McDaniel wrote:
    >
    >> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP
    >> Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying
    >> Media were met.
    >
    > When starting the install from the older version of Windows, even if
    > deleting that partition for a clean install, what you've recounted is
    > how setup will progress. On the other hand, when starting setup by
    > booting with the XP CD - I've always had to show the required "proof"
    > by inserting the CD for the older operating system.
    >
    > I think that I just said what you said but with different words? :)

    Nope, we did not say the same thing. In fact, I was pretty clear on the
    fact that I booted with the XP CD, yet was never asked for qualifying media.
    IF you have ever watched the install process, the first words you will see
    on the screen are to the effect of "Searching your HDs for previous
    installations of Windows".

    If you have previous installation of XP on your HD when you start setup by
    booting from your XP CD, the Setup program will find your existing
    installtion of Windows, and set a flag which says "you have qualifying
    media."

    Maybe my install was a fluke, but I re-installed twice in a week, and was
    NEVER asked for qualifying media. Both times, I booted my machine using the
    XP CD.

    In fact I ALWAYS install XP cleanly, after booting the machine using the XP
    CD.
    --
    Donald L McDaniel
    Please reply to the original thread,
    so that the thread may be kept intact.
    ==============================
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    Michael Stevens wrote:
    > In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
    > Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
    >> Not quite true. Let me explain.
    >> If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
    >> Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to
    >> use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional.
    >> Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
    >>
    >> I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
    >> mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and
    >> was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
    >> Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
    >> have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
    >> third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before
    >> installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media
    >> laying around somewhere accessible.
    >> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro)
    >> during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media
    >> were met.
    >
    > What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
    > catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any
    > restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a
    > qualifying Windows CD.
    >
    >
    >
    >>
    >> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:u3c42mZNFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>> You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
    >>> you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
    >>> and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.
    >>>
    >>> Clean Install Windows XP
    >>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Carey Frisch
    >>> Microsoft MVP
    >>> Windows XP - Shell/User
    >>> Microsoft Newsgroups
    >>>
    >>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
    >>>
    >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>>
    >>> "Mike" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system
    >>>> seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know
    >>>> their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system,
    >>>> but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
    >>>> right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know
    >>>> if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has
    >>>> quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to
    >>>> run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.

    You Microsoft Apologists are just too much. When I advised people to
    purchase Full OEM CDs, you found fault with me. Now that I no longer advise
    purchasing Full OEMs, and instead advise purchasing Retail Upgrade CDs, you
    find fault with me. I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. It's all so
    CONFUSING!!!.

    You guys are totally weird!


    --
    Donald L McDaniel
    Please reply to the original thread,
    so that the thread may be kept intact.
    ==============================
  12. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

    In news:%23Rwx9i6NFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
    Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied ;-)
    > Michael Stevens wrote:
    >> In news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
    >> Donald L McDaniel <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> respectfully replied
    >> ;-)
    >>> Not quite true. Let me explain.
    >>> If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP
    >>> Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible
    >>> to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP
    >>> Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
    >>>
    >>> I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in
    >>> mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro,
    >>> and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of
    >>> Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would
    >>> have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a
    >>> third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD
    >>> before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying
    >>> Media laying around somewhere accessible.
    >>> I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP
    >>> Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying
    >>> Media were met.
    >>
    >> What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a
    >> catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any
    >> restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a
    >> qualifying Windows CD.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:u3c42mZNFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>>> You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
    >>>> you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD
    >>>> and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed.
    >>>>
    >>>> Clean Install Windows XP
    >>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Carey Frisch
    >>>> Microsoft MVP
    >>>> Windows XP - Shell/User
    >>>> Microsoft Newsgroups
    >>>>
    >>>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
    >>>>
    >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>>>
    >>>> "Mike" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
    >>>>> system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally
    >>>>> who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
    >>>>> system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal!
    >>>>> yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want
    >>>>> to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my
    >>>>> registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like
    >>>>> my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated.
    >
    > You Microsoft Apologists are just too much. When I advised people to
    > purchase Full OEM CDs, you found fault with me. Now that I no longer
    > advise purchasing Full OEMs, and instead advise purchasing Retail
    > Upgrade CDs, you find fault with me. I'm damned if I do, and damned
    > if I don't. It's all so CONFUSING!!!. can't
    >
    > You guys are totally weird!

    What is weird about giving all the facts? If they don't have qualifying
    media, not restore partitions on the hard drive, it is not the best advice
    to purchase the upgrade. If they have no qualifier, they can't use the
    upgrade CD. If they have restore disks or a qualifying Windows CD, then the
    upgrade is good.
    --
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    "Donald L McDaniel" <donmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:u7ZtHhhNFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > Not quite true. Let me explain.
    > If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home
    > on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the
    > Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally,
    > I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS.
    >
    ....
    Yeah, but ... if he doesn't have a qualifying product, and the qualifying
    software only exists on his hard drive, what's he going to do in the future?
    He'll be stuck, unable to do repair installs or a reinstall, or even a
    reinstall in place.
    IMO, not good advice without clearly mentioning the caveats.

    Pop
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    Please excuse my ignorance, but could you borrow a XP disk, perform a
    clean install and register it under your existing XP registration
    code?

    My brother's pc is dying and using the recovery disk doesn't work, I
    suspect either virus of hard disk malfunction, and it seems wrong to
    purchase another version of XP when you've already purchased it with
    the PC.

    The Aussie Girl Wrote:
    > Hi Mike
    > i just wanted to know what system you were using because xp home is
    > just as
    > good as xp pro. I had both and have stayed with xp home edition.
    >
    > If it was pre installed in which most a
    > You can easily restore your computer back to factory settings and start
    > all
    > over either keeping all your existing files or a complete and utter
    > restore
    > so nothing is saved.
    > it is not necessary to upgrade if you just want your system running the
    > way
    > that it use to i would just restore back to factory settings - easier
    > and a
    > hell of a lot cheaper!!
    > its up to you though your the one with the computer
    > best of luck :)
    >
    > Xp
    >
    > "Ken Blake" wrote:
    > -
    > In news:15BC8193-AEA7-4E38-B8DB-C1638CD47AAC@microsoft.com,
    > Mike Mike@discussions.microsoft.com typed:
    > -
    > I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my
    > system
    > seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who
    > know
    > their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating
    > system, but
    > I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah
    > right)-
    >
    >
    > You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is
    > it XP Home?
    >
    > -
    > Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro-
    >
    >
    > Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP
    > Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
    > except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
    > networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
    > all) home users, even those with a home network, these features
    > aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional
    > instead of Home is a waste of money.
    >
    > -
    > and want to know if I need
    > the upgrade or the full version.-
    >
    >
    > To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying
    > version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a
    > clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that
    > previous version. If the previous version is not installed,
    > you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership.
    >
    > With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean
    > installation, without restriction.
    >
    > But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version,
    > which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many
    > people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions)
    > with the Full version.
    >
    > If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to
    > buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of
    > Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade.
    >
    > When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM
    > you brought it from was required to give you a means of
    > reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden
    > partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there.
    > Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to
    > find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary.
    >
    > -
    > I think my registry has quite a few
    > errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like
    > it
    > used to. Any help is appreciated.-
    >
    >
    > Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd
    > post the details of your problems here and give us the
    > opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few
    > people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be
    > necessary.
    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
    > Please reply to the newsgroup
    >
    >
    > -


    --
    Mojo
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    If his copy came preloaded then it would be an OEM version and would be
    tied to that machine so if it dies then the licence goes with it, that
    is why they are much cheaper than a full retail copy.
    Joan

    Mojo wrote:

    >
    > My brother's pc is dying and using the recovery disk doesn't work, I
    > suspect either virus of hard disk malfunction, and it seems wrong to
    > purchase another version of XP when you've already purchased it with
    > the PC.
    >
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