Low FPS inWoW

Hey, basically i'm having trouble raiding 25mans in World of Warcraft, im currently on low settings and having 5-10FPS, this is giving me a headache and makes the game not enjoyable. the problem has become more recent, i upgraded my graphics card and everything was fine, now more recently performance has gone downhill.

Outside of combat im running on about 20FPS which is strange however.

Anyway i'm linking my system specs to see if there's anything that i should upgrade such as my CPU. If so please link a replacement so i can see.

Need your help and opinions

Dell dimension 4600
2GB RAM
HD Radeon 3650 AGP
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.06GHz
Windows XP

If you need any more info please say.

Thanks

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Double post mate, these are really the same issue here,

What resolution are you gaming at and how old it the OS install you are running (When last did you do a fresh re-install)

Also how many rpocesses have you got running and do you have anti-virus installed on your pc?

How fast is your internet connection as well

http://www.speedtest.net/

Check your internet connection here, click on yelu server adn report speed back?

Overall, I would suggest looking at going with a new PC mate, like the other post, give us a budget?

to be honest my budget is low, £200-300 that's why i was looking to upgrade small parts
1280x960 resolution, reinstalled OS couple of weeks ago, no antivirus installed, im using gaming booster so processes are at a minimum.

Download speed 1.84Mb/s
Ping 21ms,
upload speed 0.32mb/s

Reply to beanymattd

Basically im looking to get the most effective FPS upgrade but still keeping it money efficient.

Reply to beanymattd

ITs not his internet, his computer is basically old and obselete. Pentium 4's are too big bottlenecks these days, and the 3650 was bad the day it came out.

I'd recommend a GPU first, as a P4 *should* be able to handle a ATI 4670. That being said, low settings only.

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Reply to gamerk316

Great, your internet connection is good enough, and you have checked the Anti-virus and processes slowing down the game correctly, nice

Upgrading your machine will not see too much of an improvement to be fair, you could go with a 3850 agp but it will be bottlenecked by the p4 and i dont think it would be worth the money for the performance increase.

How much Ram does the Mobo support as another 2gb could increase the performance quite considerably, and you could get 2gb quite cheaply on e-bay, dont worry if your xp is 32bit as even 3.3+- gb will be an improvement,

You could check what the max cpu the Dell supports and upgrade that, have seen 3.4 P4 around £25

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-P4-3-4 [...] 286.c0.m14

this would help with a ram upgrade as well, total spend in the region of £60

But honestly, not worth it really, by the way, have you got a removable HDD, so you can back up the whole WOW folder to copy over onto new machine (Re-install WOW on new machine, dont update or run after install, rename installation folder to wowold and copy over folder from removable hdd, then run game, saves a lot of update time....this works well with LOTRO so presume it will with WOW)

I will look to see if thre is a better PC to be built for £300 for you mate, will post back

I would look into E5** CPU and mobo combo with 2 gb DDR2 - can be had for around £140.00 - leaving a little for extras or even a reasonable mid range GPU

Reply to ulysses35

Right here is an example biuld that will play WOW well for under £300

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173170
£40.00 case psu
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161001
£29.82 Mobo
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145586
£50.00 CPU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143844
£44.00 Memory
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150861
£49.32 GPU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124228
£32.60 HDD
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173553
£17.00 dvd

total Cost £262 or there abouts, and they will do free delivery on it all 95day option)

You could re-use the HDD and DVD from dell machine and save enough to get this monitor as well but I would definately reccomend a new HDD for better performance over the old HDD in your Dell

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126874
£89.99 Monitor

Or save a little, sell the dell components on ebay and get them all,

Not a bad system for £350, many may disagree but i think this will be a world of performance above what you have at the moment, and in future a PSu upgrade and GPU upgrade and CPU upgrade are all possible and cheap....

Let me know what you think

The Mobo has 4 slots, so i can upgrade to 4GB.
What part of my computer is holding me back the most FPS wise?

Reply to beanymattd

Even as a temporary upgrade i'm looking to replace/upgrade parts in my computer that will give me the biggest FPS increase, which is all im concerned about currently.

Reply to beanymattd

Then, go with 4gb ram and faster processor, look into 3850gpu, but bear in mind the Dell PSU, I doubt it will handle a 3850GPU so you may have to replace that as well,

I would go with the RAM first as it wil be the cheapest option to try improve your performance, then the GPU if you can afford to replace PSU as well,..

Is a shame as you will be spending half of your budget there already when th build I suggested will give 100% + performance improvement, go on bite the bullet and build new

The GPU is holding you back the most, but the catch-22 is to get the most out of a new GPU, you need a new CPU, which probably requires a new motherboard (Theres no reason to replace a Pentium4 with another Pentium4 at this point).

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Reply to gamerk316

Exactly Gamerk316 has it nailed!

Best option might be to buy a ATI 4670, but even that would probably be bottlenecked by the Pentium4. It might be worth a shot, although you're probably off building a new PC.

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Reply to gamerk316

wouldi need to upgrade my PSU with that 4670?

Reply to beanymattd

These peeps are wrong!!!!!!!!!! Your CPU is the biggest bottleneck, then ram, then GPU.

WoW is a CPU based game. I play WoW and have played on many different PCs. The best thing you can do for WoW is get a quad core CPU if your motherboard supports it. If not get a good dual core, intel e5200 or better.

A quad core CPU will make the best difference.

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daship wrote :

These peeps are wrong!!!!!!!!!! Your CPU is the biggest bottleneck, then ram, then GPU.

WoW is a CPU based game. I play WoW and have played on many different PCs. The best thing you can do for WoW is get a quad core CPU if your motherboard supports it. If not get a good dual core, intel e5200 or better.

A quad core CPU will make the best difference.

Ok thanks for your input, i'll try and find out

Reply to beanymattd

http://support.dell.com/support/ed [...] /specs.htm

here are the specs, can someone please interpret these for me and see what CPU i can install in my motherboard.

Reply to beanymattd

Pretty much cant upgrade to any decent CPU on that chipset.

You need to get a new rig if you want decent FPS, that chipset is old and wont run any of the core 2 CPUs, especially 45nm ones.

What I would do if I were you.
Buy a decent Asus or Gigabyte motherboard $50-$70 range.
Buy a q8400 or e5300 if the Q is out of your budget.
Buy a Ati 4770, or 4670. I used 4670 with a i7 on wow and had 50FPS avg in Dalaran 80 or so in 25 mans and 100 flying on epic flyer. My frames were great because my overclocked i7 920.
Buy 4G DDr2 800 memory.
Maybe a new PSU.

Basically you need a totally new PC.

I sent you a private message as well.

Reply to daship

I have played wow forever, 40 man raids with no lag at all on a p4 no less. Turn down your settings. If you run mods in game they can suck resources and drop frames, I would do some tinkering but you could prob buy a gcard too.

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slapshot wrote :

I have played wow forever, 40 man raids with no lag at all on a p4 no less. Turn down your settings. If you run mods in game they can suck resources and drop frames, I would do some tinkering but you could prob buy a gcard too.

Playing on low resolution, and low settings sucks. What is your average frames in raids, and in Dalaran?

Reply to daship

Frames are fine in raids and Dalaran, I never dip too low. I run a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS, 4 gigs of ddr2 and by far my bottleneck is my CPU thats a Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz.

Im just saying with a few tweaks he might be able to make it work, in-game setting can make a huge difference and in-game mods can as well.

Message edited by slapshot on 09-12-2009 at 04:43:09 PM

Reply to slapshot

You say your frames are fine. Obviously not after 2 posts you fail to say how many you actually consider fine. Whats fine for you dont mean its fine for the rest of us.

Reply to daship

Slashdot, when you were running those 40 man raids it ran on WoW's old engine. Its been completely updated now with a new graphics engine that was released in time with the Wrath Of the Lich King content.
Op's PC is suffering from simply not being good enough on all fronts.
especially with that AGP card.
It is possible to do 25 mans on a rig like this, but your going to need to run the game on an abolosute minimum, with very little addons and enhancements.
Turn off sound too.

Reply to VampyrByte

basically, its not that good for wrath content anymore, just turn off all particles, minimize shadows and stuff, otherwise, you need to learn to play with what you have

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