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Sony Sued For Removal Of Linux Support From PS3

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April 30, 2010 1:30:18 AM

finally a class action suit I actually believe in.
April 30, 2010 1:31:09 AM

I hope they win =D Sony really overstepped there bounds on this one
April 30, 2010 1:32:51 AM

Even though class actions don't have big rewards really for the plantiffs, this could seriously cost sony a lot of cash if of course it wins.

And I hope everybody raised their hands wither they agree with this or not should've diffently saw it coming lol.
April 30, 2010 1:33:42 AM

hahaha...i knew this was coming!
April 30, 2010 1:35:53 AM

Linux's mascot shouldn’t be banging it's head up against the wall... instead it should be giving the finger with a big **** you! Sony
April 30, 2010 1:36:23 AM

About time some one take a stand, Sony ask for it what else could they expect.
April 30, 2010 1:49:52 AM

I wonder if I have my original receipt from futureshop? lol Sony will not be paying us 1st gen PS3 users a dime compensating us for removing capabilities of something we bought. However, I do agree it's like buying a car and at the 1st semi annual inspection, when you think your lube oil and filter change is what you're get, instead you're having the leather interior replaced by vinyl, the a/c removed and the spare tire gone too, and we're supposed to thank a business for it. This is not just a Sony issue, any and all Coporations are trying to wring every last cent out of us consumers, it's like a workout tape..... "feel the burn...errr squeeze!"
Anonymous
April 30, 2010 2:00:30 AM

Sony never supplied Linux with them. They have the right to disable any of their features. Read the EULA. They said you can keep it, but you can no longer use that partition to access the PSN if you choose to keep it.

You cannot use Linux (other OS)& the PSN simultaneously anyways. I kept my on one HDD and put another HDD in my PS3, and yet I still have both....Plus I didn't cry about them discontinuing a service that less than 1% of ALL PS3 consumers use?
April 30, 2010 2:02:43 AM

I hope Sony loses this case and forced to return Other OS support.
April 30, 2010 2:02:54 AM

Take THAT Sony!
April 30, 2010 2:05:19 AM

I wonder if the government will get involved the usaf uses ps3 clusters as well as quite a few universities and research companies you would be surprised at how many use it for a super computer list is very large.

just a small list to show you how many use it:

USAF
US Army
Dr. Gaurav Khanna UMASS
Dr. Lior Burko, a physicist and professor at UA Huntsville
and about 300 more universities and research scientists across the world.

You can't sell something and remove a feature that is advertised in my country there are laws about that and others too.

So if this hack was so bad why is there no mass piracy why because it does not allow you to copy games or open up ps3 to do it.
April 30, 2010 2:09:29 AM

LOL Jane, I love love love the penguin picture. Gives me a chuckle every time!
April 30, 2010 2:10:52 AM

I hope that this will just get Sony to continue Linux support. As a Linux user I do want to see its use grow and its ability to expand, and the Playstation is a great platform for it.

bojuLinux's mascot shouldn’t be banging it's head up against the wall... instead it should be giving the finger with a big **** you! Sony

Nice.
April 30, 2010 2:12:36 AM

It seems like a well written legal piece and it aims at the right thing, and where it hurts them the most: money.

They didn't go the risky route of trying to oblige Sony to put otherOS back on, they are just making a pretty obvious statement and want a restitution of part of the money spent on a product that no longer has all the features advertised.

This should be decided by the judge pretty fast I think.
April 30, 2010 2:19:08 AM

otacon72Sony Defense Attorny: "It clearly states in our Terms of Service that Sony has the right to...etc etc etc....when the plantiffs purchased the PS3 they agreed to these terms"Judge "Case dismissed"I worked tech support for a few ISP's and all we had to say for half the complaints we took was "Please read the TOS and have a nice day". I hate to say it but this case is dead before it ever gets going.


That's not how it works.
April 30, 2010 2:30:25 AM

I'd rather have the otheros feature than whatever my part in the settlement will be. Hopefully they'll just bring it back. Although without proper video drivers (sony never released sufficient info for them) it's kind of lackluster for anything other than a headless device.
April 30, 2010 2:32:22 AM

Its funny I was reading this same article on Kotaku and the response from the members on that site was quite repulsive and ignorant in regards to this. I honesly hope Sony loses this lawsuit. Operating Systems running on a console is a big step. And taking it away is a big step backwards.

On a side note I was wondering if this was related to the rumours about Steam coming onto Linux? If steam runs on Linux and Linux runs on the PS3? Can one play Source games over steam on your Ps3 Console with linux? What are the limitations of the Linux operating system on the PS3 console (Based on Compatibility) and is Sony worried that they won't be able to sell future valve titles because of this?
Just a thought I could be misunderstanding something.
Anonymous
April 30, 2010 2:33:06 AM

Certain elements of EULA are not valid when used to perform certain activities that are considered universally immoral.
The primary examples of this are cases where the EULA violates the law, but any case where the business is deliberately deceitful as to the value of their product (such as scammers who sell nothing or worthless stuff for good money) could also count.
Basically: Just because your EULA says you can, doesn't mean you can violate a overruling law.
April 30, 2010 2:38:57 AM

MikeadelicLOL Jane, I love love love the penguin picture. Gives me a chuckle every time!


haha I know, me too. he's so sad! :( 
April 30, 2010 3:03:57 AM

How can any one sure Sony for Removal of Linux Support From PS3? I mean it's there product rite? :confused:
April 30, 2010 3:10:13 AM

vsgmHow can any one sure Sony for Removal of Linux Support From PS3? I mean it's there product rite?


We can because that was part of what was sold to us. Sony is disabling it on units it already sold. Basically if you bought a TV and the manufacturer one day decides to break into your house and take the remote back...
April 30, 2010 3:39:59 AM

I love the fact that someone decided to take a stand, and did so by way of Class Action lawsuit in hopes other PS3 owners could benefit.

Unfortunately, I don't think this will end with Sony re-enabling the Other OS function. Instead, they'll likely just try to reduce the pay-out penalty as much as they can, which regardless of reduction, will probably leave PS3 owners who choose to stake a claim fighting for nickels and dimes.
April 30, 2010 3:43:33 AM

pyroghoztWhat are the limitations of the Linux operating system on the PS3 console (Based on Compatibility) and is Sony worried that they won't be able to sell future valve titles because of this?Just a thought I could be misunderstanding something.

The biggest one is that Sony hasn't released sufficient details for proper video drivers. Video playback of HD video isn't even possible in another OS, so gaming is probably equally limited for the same reason. All the more reason that it's silly for Sony to have removed OtherOS.
Anonymous
April 30, 2010 3:49:59 AM

Hellllll yeah! Win win for me and others like me that never gave a shit about other os! But my sympathies for those who did use it. I know it must have been troublesome for them to hack into their rightfully owned ps3 to re enable other os. Shame on Sony for deceitful business tactics.
April 30, 2010 3:59:21 AM

oh man not this again. man people are real crybabies
pyroghoztIts funny I was reading this same article on Kotaku and the response from the members on that site was quite repulsive and ignorant in regards to this. I honesly hope Sony loses this lawsuit. Operating Systems running on a console is a big step. And taking it away is a big step backwards.On a side note I was wondering if this was related to the rumours about Steam coming onto Linux? If steam runs on Linux and Linux runs on the PS3? Can one play Source games over steam on your Ps3 Console with linux? What are the limitations of the Linux operating system on the PS3 console (Based on Compatibility) and is Sony worried that they won't be able to sell future valve titles because of this?Just a thought I could be misunderstanding something.


nope Sony disabled the GPU when running Linux. all linux was running on was the cell CPU.

i can't wait for Sony to win this case and place this loser in the poorhouse
April 30, 2010 4:00:11 AM

techguy911I wonder if the government will get involved the usaf uses ps3 clusters as well as quite a few universities and research companies you would be surprised at how many use it for a super computer list is very large.just a small list to show you how many use it:USAFUS ArmyDr. Gaurav Khanna UMASSDr. Lior Burko, a physicist and professor at UA Huntsvilleand about 300 more universities and research scientists across the world.You can't sell something and remove a feature that is advertised in my country there are laws about that and others too.So if this hack was so bad why is there no mass piracy why because it does not allow you to copy games or open up ps3 to do it.


why are people so stupid when it comes to thiS?

These companies have no reason to upgrade the firmware on the PS3 and sony does not force updates on you so next time check wikipedia before posting something
April 30, 2010 4:31:09 AM

techguy911I wonder if the government will get involved the usaf uses ps3 clusters as well as quite a few universities and research companies you would be surprised at how many use it for a super computer list is very large.just a small list to show you how many use it:USAFUS ArmyDr. Gaurav Khanna UMASSDr. Lior Burko, a physicist and professor at UA Huntsvilleand about 300 more universities and research scientists across the world..


Saddly, most of them may not care about the new firmware update, since they either can survive without PSN or they are not supposed to link to PSN anyway (like the USAFU, US Army).

Good move for the class action suit
April 30, 2010 4:37:24 AM

aiurjhjwhnCertain elements of EULA are not valid when used to perform certain activities that are considered universally immoral.The primary examples of this are cases where the EULA violates the law, but any case where the business is deliberately deceitful as to the value of their product (such as scammers who sell nothing or worthless stuff for good money) could also count.Basically: Just because your EULA says you can, doesn't mean you can violate a overruling law.


Exactly right, Its like getting someone to sign a contract that says they will be your slave for the next 30 years, A contract is only valid if it isn't against the law. and as far as I know, slavery is illegal in most countries >.>, so just because your EULA says "we claim the rights to your soul by accepting this agreement" doesn't mean they can. Quite a few Eula's aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.
April 30, 2010 4:39:50 AM

Finally 90 of the reason i bought the PS3 was b/c of the Linux support first thing i did was put in a 500 GB hard drive and then install yelllowdog
Anonymous
April 30, 2010 4:55:35 AM

Yep Eula's are worthless. The simple truth of the matter is that people may still sue on the grounds that they did not understand what they were signing/agreeing to. Eula's are simply there to avoid as many lawsuits as possible.
April 30, 2010 5:28:52 AM

climberI wonder if I have my original receipt from futureshop? lol Sony will not be paying us 1st gen PS3 users a dime compensating us for removing capabilities of something we bought. However, I do agree it's like buying a car and at the 1st semi annual inspection, when you think your lube oil and filter change is what you're get, instead you're having the leather interior replaced by vinyl, the a/c removed and the spare tire gone too, and we're supposed to thank a business for it. This is not just a Sony issue, any and all Coporations are trying to wring every last cent out of us consumers, it's like a workout tape..... "feel the burn...errr squeeze!"


If you bought it at futureshop you'll have to start your own lawsuit. This is a US lawsuit that may influence Candian courts but would not apply to Candian owners.
Anonymous
April 30, 2010 5:32:53 AM

I think nobody would consider this a big deal if sony let you use your old firmware without losing the features you paid for in the first place, but they sell you a set of key features along with the HW, then say they will remove one of those and if you disagree, you will lose a different feature, so they are giving you no choice but lose features with the upgrade - and thats where they stepped over the line
April 30, 2010 5:38:56 AM

@Techguy. All those research/military institutions will retain the ability to use Linux on their systems, just like all of us.

The difference is, we can't access the PSN without the most recent update that removes Linux functionality.

So the USAF etc etc will only be influenced if they are using massive amounts of PS3s to access online gaming. Which they aren't. They are using the hardware to link them all together like a collective hive that con process alot of information very quickly.

Certainly the extent of these experiments the military are doing and they wouldn't expose the PS3s to any networks outside the facility which they are contained in.
April 30, 2010 5:45:01 AM

Awesome! So basically, the multi-million dollar settlement will come in........ and you'll all get $5 in the mail, while the lawyers walk away rich.

WHY DO PEOPLE START CLASS-ACTION SUITS?
April 30, 2010 5:49:31 AM

To the guy who said he worked as an ISP tech support. Is that supposed to mean something? When I hear that only two words come to mind. "F**king Idiots". Seriously, I would not be bragging about that. Not to mention even if your high level tech support doesn't mean you know shit about laws. It's be like saying since I'm in the army I know all federal laws, or since I worked in rv's I know all the road laws, and how to find all the loopholes.

There's a reason lawyers have a job. It's to understand, and know how all the bullshit that get put into laws, and how to use it to their advantage.

This is one of the few lawsuits that I actually think have merit; simply because I think what sony did was down right underhanded, dirty, and plain foolish of them to do.

But anyways the best the class could hope for would not have it be drugged out for years, as that is a basic princpal everybody probably knows. Big corporations have no problems, making law suits take years to finish. It just depends on if Sony thinks it's worth the fight. If not they'll either put back in the "other os" feature or give some stupid rebates as a settlement. If they do the ps5 will probably be out before the suit actually ends.
April 30, 2010 5:52:47 AM

TemjinGoldWe can because that was part of what was sold to us. Sony is disabling it on units it already sold. Basically if you bought a TV and the manufacturer one day decides to break into your house and take the remote back...

except it's not something physical along with the new ps3 already did not have that support, sony could easily go with it's either remove the other os option or get a new system as we no longer will support the old one. Removing functionality of a program has been done before i'm fairly sure. Zessh just hack your ps3 it's what your likely doing with it anyways, also it matters what the terms and agreement are upon purchase i'm sure sony added a protection clause with it's produce about such a manner when you first boot up your ps3 and get an update.
April 30, 2010 6:24:35 AM

otacon72Sony Defense Attorny: "It clearly states in our Terms of Service that Sony has the right to...etc etc etc....when the plantiffs purchased the PS3 they agreed to these terms"


Sorry but EULA or any other kind of terms of service are well below law.
(and its well written there as well)
And there are laws to protect customers from companies to change way you can use. In some cases you could even get back full refund when this kind of s***t happen.

April 30, 2010 6:30:10 AM

Quote:
Hands up who saw this one coming?


...Umm... Hands up who didn't?!
April 30, 2010 6:52:36 AM

all the folks that claim research/military and other scientific users of the playstation do not need to upgrade to the latest FW and thus their complaint is moot, please consider this:

The PS was sold with all of the options available to the purchaser: gaming, video, other os etc... now you have to pick a subset of these you can use after the upgrade or without the upgrade, there is not way to keep using all the features you paid for. THAT's the issue and I think Sony will have to pay.
April 30, 2010 7:06:12 AM

I want my 2 dollars!

..2 dollars!!
April 30, 2010 7:22:19 AM

the sad penguin is so cute!!! :D 
April 30, 2010 7:49:07 AM

If someone wants to use Linux the they should build or purchase a freaking PC. PS3 is a gaming machine not a computer...wtf?
April 30, 2010 7:58:07 AM

RazberyBanditI love the fact that someone decided to take a stand...

Lawyers did. :) 
It's an opportunity to make money, whether morally justified or not.
April 30, 2010 8:12:03 AM

i installed yellow dog and it was horrible. im not exactly sure what the outrage is....99.9 percent of ps3 owners dont use this feature....and most of those people used it to boot emulators and find ways to pirate. this was something sony didnt have to include in the first place. you didnt buy a ps3 to run linux (save the sparse amount of people needing the cell to crunch numbers. youll get a smoother running linux machine with that old pentium 3 sitting in your garage.
April 30, 2010 8:22:09 AM

Saw this coming a mile away..
Anonymous
April 30, 2010 8:30:08 AM

i see other os support returning however with heavy restrictions
April 30, 2010 9:25:59 AM

TemjinGoldWe can because that was part of what was sold to us. Sony is disabling it on units it already sold. Basically if you bought a TV and the manufacturer one day decides to break into your house and take the remote back...


:)  I thought they did this 4 only new ones. Thanks 4 da info ;) 
April 30, 2010 10:54:58 AM

nebunIf someone wants to use Linux the they should build or purchase a freaking PC. PS3 is a gaming machine not a computer...wtf?


The PS3 was sold as a Games console that could play Blu-Ray and run Linux. Sony have removed part of it's original advertised functionality, they are in breach of laws in Europe and may be in breach of laws in the US, it is for the court to decide not you.
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