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Evadne,
yes, you clarified quite a bit. It has been since the late '80's when I
worked with computers in school. I have not kept up and am "relearning"
much. Unfortunately, I cann't do it overnite....
Yes, I run IE on a Dell. I have been considering Foxfire. But have a
husband who listens to another friend who is unfamilier with Foxfire.
Patience will pay off eventually...
As mentioned in another thread, I had one version of Java, which did not
work to show the applets. I did visit their site and downloaded the "virtual
machine" with success.
Thanks for taking the time to correct. I know it's comp. 101, but I have
almost 20 years of catching up.
"Evadne Cake" wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:26:10 +0100, ctaulbee wrote
> (in article <837F6217-E297-4318-8AE8-CCE4B7B1995C@microsoft.com>):
>
> > Evadne,
> > Thank you for that piece of information. So, if I understand correctly,
> > Java is its own software comp. But, necessary like the before mentioned
> > Flash, or even Shockwave...but not an included part of windows. Why is it,
> > that some websites offer to download flash, shockwave, and other programs, in
>
> > order for their page to be utilized...But, Java is never offered? Only the
> > statememt that the OP does not support Java or the applets? Is it because it
>
> > is too new of a program, or is it because the others are somehow considered
> > freeware?
>
>
> No, you don't. Java isn't a company, it's a technology (note that
> "technology" isn't software, it's used to develop software). The company that
> invented Java is Sun Microsystems.
>
> It was an included part of Windows (it was included in the initial release of
> XP, until it was deemed that MS had breached the terms of its contract with
> Sun and was forced to remove it with the installation of SP1). However, as
> part of the settlement, Sun agreed that the complete termination of the
> agreement wouldn't come into force until early 2007, IIRC.
>
> Shockwave and Flash are technologies developed by the Macromedia Corporation.
> MS has also developed technologies of its own (e.g. DirectX and .NET).
> Neither Flash or Shockwave are included with Windows, either, as Macromedia
> has not licensed them to MS.
>
> I don't use Windows, I run Tiger (10.4.2) on a Power Mac G5. Apple also has a
> contract with Sun and Java is included in all versions of Mac OS X.
>
> To answer your question, it *IS* offered. If you're not being offered it,
> then there is something wrong with your browser (and I can only think you're
> running IE - which I haven't used for ages, even when I had my PC, I ran
> Firefox and I run FF on my Mac, too). Have you visited the Java website (I
> think you can work out the URL) and downloaded it from there? It's an
> automatic download and will take about 5 minutes on a standard (512kbps)
> broadband connection.
>
> No technology is "freeware" - only software can be given such a label and
> technologies aren't software. If you wanted to buy a licence to develop using
> any technology, you'd find that it was very costly. What you're referring to
> isn't the technology itself, but the plugin that will allow you to access an
> application or web content, that was created using that technology.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "too new of a program' (poor grammar
> notwithstanding). Java isn't new - it's been around for a decade (it first
> appeared in March 1995).
>
> Does that clarify things a little? If not, post back.
>
>
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