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Anonymous
October 3, 2004 4:26:39 AM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

Hi all. I hope someone can help me. I've been struggling for days with this:

For months I've had the following set up with everything working fine:
1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin 802.11b/54g
card
3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in 802.11b/g
wireless
4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card

So the wireless router was sharing my broadband internet connection between
the computers.

On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day had
lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found that
too could not communicate with the router any more. Since then I've made 3
calls to Belkin support who have been very helpful but unfortunately haven't
managed to resolve the issues, which are:

1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect a
cable from the router to the computer.
2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the WinXP
latop, I can then connect.

Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in enabled
and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet. Here's an example from the
Win2k PC:

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.36

Pinging 192.168.2.36 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.36:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>route print
===========================================================================
Interface List
0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
0x4000003 ...00 30 bd 9b 2a e0 ...... Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
===========================================================================
===========================================================================
Active Routes:
Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.36 1
127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
192.168.2.36 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
192.168.2.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
Default Gateway: 192.168.2.1
===========================================================================
Persistent Routes:
None

I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the router
to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help. Has anyone come
across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia wireless
card works fine! I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the default
gateway!

Thanks for your help,
Paul.
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 4:26:40 AM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

Do you have WEP or WPA security? If you you may need to re-enter the
security codes in the two PCs. If that doesn't work, try renaming the SSID
of the access point and then set the security code in each PC - this worked
for my son recently with WEP.

--
Bob Alston

bobalston9 AT aol DOT com
"Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3HH7d.140537$U04.129693@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Hi all. I hope someone can help me. I've been struggling for days with
> this:
>
> For months I've had the following set up with everything working fine:
> 1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
> 2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin
> 802.11b/54g
> card
> 3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in
> 802.11b/g
> wireless
> 4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card
>
> So the wireless router was sharing my broadband internet connection
> between
> the computers.
>
> On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day
> had
> lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found that
> too could not communicate with the router any more. Since then I've made 3
> calls to Belkin support who have been very helpful but unfortunately
> haven't
> managed to resolve the issues, which are:
>
> 1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect a
> cable from the router to the computer.
> 2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
> 3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
> 4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the
> WinXP
> latop, I can then connect.
>
> Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in
> enabled
> and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
> WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet. Here's an example from the
> Win2k PC:
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig
>
> Windows 2000 IP Configuration
>
> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1
>
> Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Request timed out.
> Request timed out.
> Request timed out.
> Request timed out.
>
> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.36
>
> Pinging 192.168.2.36 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>
> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.36:
> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>route print
> ===========================================================================
> Interface List
> 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
> 0x4000003 ...00 30 bd 9b 2a e0 ...... Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop
> Adapter
> ===========================================================================
> ===========================================================================
> Active Routes:
> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
> Metric
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.36 1
> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
> 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
> 192.168.2.36 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
> 192.168.2.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
> 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
> Default Gateway: 192.168.2.1
> ===========================================================================
> Persistent Routes:
> None
>
> I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
> drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
> un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the
> router
> to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help. Has anyone come
> across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
> stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia
> wireless
> card works fine! I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
> assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the
> default
> gateway!
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Paul.
>
>
>
>


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Anonymous
October 3, 2004 4:26:40 AM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:26:39 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
>2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin 802.11b/54g
>card
>3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in 802.11b/g
>wireless
>4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card

- Model number of the Belkin router?
- Model number of the Belkin card in the W2K PC?
- Model number of the Netgear PCMCIA card?
- Is SP2 (service pack 2) installed on the XP laptop?
- Do you have all these machines set to get get IP addresses from
the router via DHCP?
- Are you using WEP? If so, you may wanna disable it temporarily
until things are working.
- Is there any other hardware on your LAN that might have a DHCP
server or can belch RIP broadcasts?
- Do you have any personal firewalls or proxy servers running?
(XP firewall, ZoneAlarm, Kerio, Black Ice Defender, Norton Firewall,
McAfee firewall, Sygate, etc)? If so, please disable them
temporarily until things are working.

>On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day had
>lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found that
>too could not communicate with the router any more.

I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2.
The problem is that the default installation allows MS to deliver and
install updates while the computah is idle. You could easily have
been "updated" some time on Weds. While none of the updates have been
dangerous or detrimental, they still manage to break a few things.

Fire up Internet Exploder and run:
Tools -> Windoze Update
and select "View Installation History". Did anything get installed or
updated on Weds?

Please resist the temptation to roll everything back to before Weds on
the XP laptop using "System Restore" until we've pounded this to
death. That will probably fix the problem, but will not prevent it
from happening again or help the W2K PC.

>1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect a
>cable from the router to the computer.
>2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
>3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
>4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the WinXP
>latop, I can then connect.
>
>Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in enabled
>and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
>WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet.

Well, there's a potential problem. W2K and XP sometimes "remember"
the previous IP address and will not issue a new one until you
manually kick start a DCHP request. This is common when you take your
laptop to the office, pickup an IP address, and then go home to find
that the laptop still has the office LAN's address. I think this was
finally fixed in XP SP2, but I'm not sure. Try:

Start -> Run -> cmd
ipconfig /release
wait about 15 seconds
ipconfig /renew
Then check if you still have an IP address with:
ipconfig
For Belkin, it should be 192.168.2.xxx.

If you get a good DHCP delivered IP address, and still can't ping the
router, then something on your PC is blocking the pings. The most
likely culprit is a personal firewall or the XP firewall (as mentioned
previously). Try it again with these disabled.

Incidentally, the XP SP2 firewall is quite smart and will not start if
it finds another personal firewall programming running. This drove me
nuts on a customer phone call as they said they had disabled the
firewall, but didn't notice that another one magically appeared in its
place. Therefore, on the XP laptop, make sure you turn off *ALL* the
personal firewalls.

If DHCP is delivering an IP address, DNS server, and gateway, then WEP
is working. No need to play with that.

Diagnostics trimmed. All look normal to me. In theory, if you get an
IP address from the router via DHCP via wireless, then you should be
able to ping the router.

>I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
>drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
>un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the router
>to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help.

Looks like you've already done most of my suggestions.
- Did you reset the router to default settings when you upgraded
the firmware? I don't mean changing the settings to the default,
but using the "set to defaults" page in the web config.
- Did you really un-install Norton Firewall or did you just turn
it off? I got a suprise a while back when I turned it off via
the Norton Integrator, only to find that it was still playing
firewall and filter. I had to literally uninstall it to get it
quit.

>Has anyone come
>across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
>stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia wireless
>card works fine!

Well, it's not impossible to create such a situation. The router may
have gone insane and decided to only connect to one MAC address. This
is possible if the router has a "client" mode. An easy test would be
to take the working W2K laptop out of the picture. Turn it off, power
cycle the router, and see if *ONE* of the other radios can connect.

>I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
>assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the default
>gateway!

Well, there's one more possibility. Unfortunately, this applies to
the XP laptop only. Some spyware mangles the XP Winsock "chain" and
causes connection problems. Usually, it's a total loss of
connectivity, which means you should NOT get an IP address via DHCP.
However, it's still worth a try. Download XP Winsock Fix from:
http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html
Run it. Say yes for the registry backup, and see if it fixes the
problem.

Also, I'm assuming that you've done virus scans and spyware scans.
Since you have Norton Firewall, I'll assume you have Norton Anti-Virus
2004. Update and run it.

For spyware checking, I use Spybot S&D 1.3 and Ad-Aware SE 1.05:
http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022...
http://www.download.com/Ad-Aware-SE-Personal-Edition/30...
I've notices that no single program seems to catch all the spyware
types and each program seems to be better at catching one type or
other. Therefore, I use both. Also, Spybot has a glitch where it
proclaims you have a "DSO Exploit". Just ignore it. It's not a
problem.

Good luck.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
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Anonymous
October 3, 2004 4:26:41 AM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

Are you certain you haven't assigned an IP address manually - 192.168.2.36
Generally DHCP assigned addresses start at 100 and the 36 is usually a
manually assigned address.


"Bob Alston" <bobalston9NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message
news:W3J7d.8733$uY3.1461@fed1read03...
> Do you have WEP or WPA security? If you you may need to re-enter the
> security codes in the two PCs. If that doesn't work, try renaming the
> SSID of the access point and then set the security code in each PC - this
> worked for my son recently with WEP.
>
> --
> Bob Alston
>
> bobalston9 AT aol DOT com
> "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3HH7d.140537$U04.129693@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Hi all. I hope someone can help me. I've been struggling for days with
>> this:
>>
>> For months I've had the following set up with everything working fine:
>> 1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
>> 2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin
>> 802.11b/54g
>> card
>> 3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in
>> 802.11b/g
>> wireless
>> 4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card
>>
>> So the wireless router was sharing my broadband internet connection
>> between
>> the computers.
>>
>> On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day
>> had
>> lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found that
>> too could not communicate with the router any more. Since then I've made
>> 3
>> calls to Belkin support who have been very helpful but unfortunately
>> haven't
>> managed to resolve the issues, which are:
>>
>> 1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect a
>> cable from the router to the computer.
>> 2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
>> 3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
>> 4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the
>> WinXP
>> latop, I can then connect.
>>
>> Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in
>> enabled
>> and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
>> WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet. Here's an example from the
>> Win2k PC:
>>
>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig
>>
>> Windows 2000 IP Configuration
>>
>> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:
>>
>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>>
>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1
>>
>> Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:
>>
>> Request timed out.
>> Request timed out.
>> Request timed out.
>> Request timed out.
>>
>> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
>> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>>
>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.36
>>
>> Pinging 192.168.2.36 with 32 bytes of data:
>>
>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>>
>> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.36:
>> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>>
>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>route print
>> ===========================================================================
>> Interface List
>> 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
>> 0x4000003 ...00 30 bd 9b 2a e0 ...... Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop
>> Adapter
>> ===========================================================================
>> ===========================================================================
>> Active Routes:
>> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
>> Metric
>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.36
>> 1
>> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1
>> 1
>> 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
>> 1
>> 192.168.2.36 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1
>> 1
>> 192.168.2.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
>> 1
>> 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
>> 1
>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
>> 1
>> Default Gateway: 192.168.2.1
>> ===========================================================================
>> Persistent Routes:
>> None
>>
>> I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
>> drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
>> un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the
>> router
>> to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help. Has anyone come
>> across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
>> stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia
>> wireless
>> card works fine! I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
>> assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the
>> default
>> gateway!
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Paul.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Anonymous
October 3, 2004 6:18:50 AM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

"Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3HH7d.140537$U04.129693@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Hi all. I hope someone can help me. I've been struggling for days with
this:
>
> For months I've had the following set up with everything working fine:
> 1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
> 2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin
802.11b/54g
> card
> 3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in
802.11b/g
> wireless
> 4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card
>
> So the wireless router was sharing my broadband internet connection
between
> the computers.
>
> On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day
had
> lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found that
> too could not communicate with the router any more. Since then I've made 3
> calls to Belkin support who have been very helpful but unfortunately
haven't
> managed to resolve the issues, which are:
>
> 1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect a
> cable from the router to the computer.
> 2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
> 3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
> 4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the
WinXP
> latop, I can then connect.
>
> Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in
enabled
> and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
> WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet. Here's an example from the
> Win2k PC:
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig
>
> Windows 2000 IP Configuration
>
> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1
>
> Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Request timed out.
> Request timed out.
> Request timed out.
> Request timed out.
>
> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.36
>
> Pinging 192.168.2.36 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>
> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.36:
> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>
> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>route print
>
===========================================================================
> Interface List
> 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
> 0x4000003 ...00 30 bd 9b 2a e0 ...... Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop
Adapter
>
===========================================================================
>
===========================================================================
> Active Routes:
> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
Metric
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.36
1
> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1
1
> 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
1
> 192.168.2.36 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1
1
> 192.168.2.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
1
> 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
1
> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36
1
> Default Gateway: 192.168.2.1
>
===========================================================================
> Persistent Routes:
> None
>
> I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
> drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
> un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the
router
> to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help. Has anyone come
> across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
> stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia
wireless
> card works fine! I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
> assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the
default
> gateway!
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Paul.
>
>
>
>

I know you mentioned that you had reset the router to default settings but,
just as a possibility, check to see what the router's MAC filtering table
looks like. It just seems that if the router was accepting the Win2K laptop
wirelessly and accepting its card in another machine, that the router may be
filtering out everybody but its MAC. Also check any software firewall
settings on the non-connecting machines.
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 8:24:57 AM

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"Alan White" <alanwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o AK7d.29801$MD5.1632867@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Are you certain you haven't assigned an IP address manually - 192.168.2.36
> Generally DHCP assigned addresses start at 100 and the 36 is usually a
> manually assigned address.
>
>
> "Bob Alston" <bobalston9NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:W3J7d.8733$uY3.1461@fed1read03...
>> Do you have WEP or WPA security? If you you may need to re-enter the
>> security codes in the two PCs. If that doesn't work, try renaming the
>> SSID of the access point and then set the security code in each PC - this
>> worked for my son recently with WEP.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Alston
>>
>> bobalston9 AT aol DOT com
>> "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:3HH7d.140537$U04.129693@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Hi all. I hope someone can help me. I've been struggling for days with
>>> this:
>>>
>>> For months I've had the following set up with everything working fine:
>>> 1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
>>> 2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin
>>> 802.11b/54g
>>> card
>>> 3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in
>>> 802.11b/g
>>> wireless
>>> 4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card
>>>
>>> So the wireless router was sharing my broadband internet connection
>>> between
>>> the computers.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day
>>> had
>>> lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found
>>> that
>>> too could not communicate with the router any more. Since then I've made
>>> 3
>>> calls to Belkin support who have been very helpful but unfortunately
>>> haven't
>>> managed to resolve the issues, which are:
>>>
>>> 1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect
>>> a
>>> cable from the router to the computer.
>>> 2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
>>> 3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
>>> 4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the
>>> WinXP
>>> latop, I can then connect.
>>>
>>> Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in
>>> enabled
>>> and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
>>> WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet. Here's an example from
>>> the
>>> Win2k PC:
>>>
>>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig
>>>
>>> Windows 2000 IP Configuration
>>>
>>> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:
>>>
>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>>>
>>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1
>>>
>>> Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:
>>>
>>> Request timed out.
>>> Request timed out.
>>> Request timed out.
>>> Request timed out.
>>>
>>> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
>>> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
>>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>>>
>>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.36
>>>
>>> Pinging 192.168.2.36 with 32 bytes of data:
>>>
>>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>>> Reply from 192.168.2.36: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
>>>
>>> Ping statistics for 192.168.2.36:
>>> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>>>
>>> D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>route print
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Interface List
>>> 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
>>> 0x4000003 ...00 30 bd 9b 2a e0 ...... Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop
>>> Adapter
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Active Routes:
>>> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
>>> Metric
>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.36 1
>>> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
>>> 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
>>> 192.168.2.36 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
>>> 192.168.2.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
>>> 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.36 192.168.2.36 1
>>> Default Gateway: 192.168.2.1
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Persistent Routes:
>>> None
>>>
>>> I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
>>> drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
>>> un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the
>>> router
>>> to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help. Has anyone come
>>> across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
>>> stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia
>>> wireless
>>> card works fine! I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
>>> assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the
>>> default
>>> gateway!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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I would also suspect a personal firewall.

Ron Bandes, CCNP, CTT+, etc.
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 5:41:20 PM

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:26:39 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
>> 2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin
>> 802.11b/54g card
>> 3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in
>> 802.11b/g wireless
>> 4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card
>
> - Model number of the Belkin router?
> - Model number of the Belkin card in the W2K PC?
> - Model number of the Netgear PCMCIA card?
> - Is SP2 (service pack 2) installed on the XP laptop?
> - Do you have all these machines set to get get IP addresses from
> the router via DHCP?
> - Are you using WEP? If so, you may wanna disable it temporarily
> until things are working.
> - Is there any other hardware on your LAN that might have a DHCP
> server or can belch RIP broadcasts?
> - Do you have any personal firewalls or proxy servers running?
> (XP firewall, ZoneAlarm, Kerio, Black Ice Defender, Norton Firewall,
> McAfee firewall, Sygate, etc)? If so, please disable them
> temporarily until things are working.
>
>> On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all
>> day had lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop
>> and found that too could not communicate with the router any more.
>
> I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2.
> The problem is that the default installation allows MS to deliver and
> install updates while the computah is idle. You could easily have
> been "updated" some time on Weds. While none of the updates have been
> dangerous or detrimental, they still manage to break a few things.
>
> Fire up Internet Exploder and run:
> Tools -> Windoze Update
> and select "View Installation History". Did anything get installed or
> updated on Weds?
>
> Please resist the temptation to roll everything back to before Weds on
> the XP laptop using "System Restore" until we've pounded this to
> death. That will probably fix the problem, but will not prevent it
> from happening again or help the W2K PC.
>
>> 1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I
>> connect a cable from the router to the computer.
>> 2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
>> 3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
>> 4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in
>> the WinXP latop, I can then connect.
>>
>> Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in
>> enabled and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the
>> Win2k PC and WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet.
>
> Well, there's a potential problem. W2K and XP sometimes "remember"
> the previous IP address and will not issue a new one until you
> manually kick start a DCHP request. This is common when you take your
> laptop to the office, pickup an IP address, and then go home to find
> that the laptop still has the office LAN's address. I think this was
> finally fixed in XP SP2, but I'm not sure. Try:
>
> Start -> Run -> cmd
> ipconfig /release
> wait about 15 seconds
> ipconfig /renew
> Then check if you still have an IP address with:
> ipconfig
> For Belkin, it should be 192.168.2.xxx.
>
> If you get a good DHCP delivered IP address, and still can't ping the
> router, then something on your PC is blocking the pings. The most
> likely culprit is a personal firewall or the XP firewall (as mentioned
> previously). Try it again with these disabled.
>
> Incidentally, the XP SP2 firewall is quite smart and will not start if
> it finds another personal firewall programming running. This drove me
> nuts on a customer phone call as they said they had disabled the
> firewall, but didn't notice that another one magically appeared in its
> place. Therefore, on the XP laptop, make sure you turn off *ALL* the
> personal firewalls.
>
> If DHCP is delivering an IP address, DNS server, and gateway, then WEP
> is working. No need to play with that.
>
> Diagnostics trimmed. All look normal to me. In theory, if you get an
> IP address from the router via DHCP via wireless, then you should be
> able to ping the router.
>
>> I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the
>> device drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the
>> router, un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines,
>> setting the router to default settings (no security), but it doesn't
>> help.
>
> Looks like you've already done most of my suggestions.
> - Did you reset the router to default settings when you upgraded
> the firmware? I don't mean changing the settings to the default,
> but using the "set to defaults" page in the web config.
> - Did you really un-install Norton Firewall or did you just turn
> it off? I got a suprise a while back when I turned it off via
> the Norton Integrator, only to find that it was still playing
> firewall and filter. I had to literally uninstall it to get it
> quit.
>
>> Has anyone come
>> across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers
>> both stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but
>> pcmcia wireless card works fine!
>
> Well, it's not impossible to create such a situation. The router may
> have gone insane and decided to only connect to one MAC address. This
> is possible if the router has a "client" mode. An easy test would be
> to take the working W2K laptop out of the picture. Turn it off, power
> cycle the router, and see if *ONE* of the other radios can connect.
>
>> I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
>> assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the
>> default gateway!
>
> Well, there's one more possibility. Unfortunately, this applies to
> the XP laptop only. Some spyware mangles the XP Winsock "chain" and
> causes connection problems. Usually, it's a total loss of
> connectivity, which means you should NOT get an IP address via DHCP.
> However, it's still worth a try. Download XP Winsock Fix from:
> http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html
> Run it. Say yes for the registry backup, and see if it fixes the
> problem.
>
> Also, I'm assuming that you've done virus scans and spyware scans.
> Since you have Norton Firewall, I'll assume you have Norton Anti-Virus
> 2004. Update and run it.
>
> For spyware checking, I use Spybot S&D 1.3 and Ad-Aware SE 1.05:
> http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022...
> http://www.download.com/Ad-Aware-SE-Personal-Edition/30...
> I've notices that no single program seems to catch all the spyware
> types and each program seems to be better at catching one type or
> other. Therefore, I use both. Also, Spybot has a glitch where it
> proclaims you have a "DSO Exploit". Just ignore it. It's not a
> problem.
>
> Good luck.

There is one more XP2 firewall gotcha: if the third-party firewall is
not recognized by the security center as a valid firewall, terminating
the XP2 firewall leaves TCP/IP filtering on the (maybe all) connection
locked in the Permit None state. This, of course, seriously screws up
the user since most have never seen TCP/IP filtering in the TCP/IP
properties and don't know to look there when the connection is dead.

Q
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 6:56:55 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

Jeff,

Thanks very much for your help. I'd also like to thank everyone else for
their replies. I hope you don't mind if I try to answer everyone's points in
this post alone.

In answer to others' questions:
I disabled WEP secuity and tried changing the SSID and channel.
All network adapters are set to obtain an IP address and DNS automatically
I uninstalled Norton Personal Firewall 2004 from all PCs, then rebooted. I
do not have any other firewalls, other than the built-in NAT firewall on the
router which is enabled by default.
I reset the wireless router to factory defaults after upgrading the firmware
(actually downgrading the firmware since this is what Belkin support asked
me to do). The only change since this was to set the SSID, channel, and
management password.

In answer to Jeff:
The equipment is:
1. Belkin 802.11b Wireless Router F5D6230-3
2. Win2k PC Desktop has Belkin 54g Wireless Desktop Card F5D7000
3. XP Laptop has Service Pack 1 Build 2600 and Dell Wireless WLAN 1350 Mini
PCI Card (Driver: Broadcom v3.40.73.0)
4. Win2k laptop has Netgear 80211.b wireless PC Card 16-bit PCMCIA MA401

All machines are set to get an IP automatically.
WEP is disabled on the router
The only other hardware on the LAN is the cable modem which is connected to
the WAN port of the wireless router. This is a Scientific-Atlanta WebSTAR
DPX100 provided by my ISP (Telewest Blueyonder). Would this have a DHCP
server? I suspect not.
I uninstalled Norton Personal Firewall 2004 from the XP laptop and from the
Win2k desktop. I had already run the XP Winsock Fix program you mentioned on
the XP machine. I don't have any other personal firewalls. The Win2k laptop
has never had a firewall installed.
I haven't had any Windows updates for several weeks.

You were absolutely right about XP and W2K remembering the previous IP
address. He's the output from your suggestion:
D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig /release

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

IP address successfully released for adapter "Wireless Network"

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig /renew

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

The following error occurred when renewing adapter Wireless Network: DHCP
Server
unreachable

I ran the SpyBot and Ad-Aware and they did delete a few things, but this
didn't help. By the way, DSO Exploit did come up! I ignored it.

Now, the last thing I tried was your idea about the reseting the router and
testing what happens when each machine is the first to connect. This is
where things got interesting, but I'm having trouble trying to describe any
consistent results. The XP laptop seemed to be working fine for about 20
minutes after it was the first to connect to the router. The W2K laptop
continues to work without problems. The XP laptop now has similar problems
to the W2K desktop which I can demonstrate from the cmd session on the W2K
box:

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig /release

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

IP Address for adapter Wireless Network is already released

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig /renew

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.36
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>arp -a
No ARP Entries Found

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>arp -a

Interface: 192.168.2.36 on Interface 0x6000003
Internet Address Physical Address Type
192.168.2.1 00-30-bd-4a-da-3c dynamic

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 2, Lost = 2 (50% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>


This seems really strange to me, especially since I have "Very Good" and
"Excellent" signal strengths. I am concerned that the router is 802.11b, and
so is the functioning Netgear card. However the W2K card and XP wireless are
both 802.11b/g. Could this be an issue? Although they were working fine for
months in the case of the laptop and over a year in the case of the desktop.
My other concern are the other wireless networks which keep popping up in
the Site Monitor - although they are using channel 11 and I am using channel
1.

Thanks again for your help and your time.
Paul.


"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
news:asuul0td642orgkvdgu9q8cd1kuji1o6uc@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:26:39 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >1. A Belkin 802.11b wireless router connected to my cable modem
> >2. A Win2k PC wirelessly connected to the router using a Belkin
802.11b/54g
> >card
> >3. A WinXP laptop wireless connected to the router using built in
802.11b/g
> >wireless
> >4. A Win2k laptop connected using a Netgear PCMCIA wireless card
>
> - Model number of the Belkin router?
> - Model number of the Belkin card in the W2K PC?
> - Model number of the Netgear PCMCIA card?
> - Is SP2 (service pack 2) installed on the XP laptop?
> - Do you have all these machines set to get get IP addresses from
> the router via DHCP?
> - Are you using WEP? If so, you may wanna disable it temporarily
> until things are working.
> - Is there any other hardware on your LAN that might have a DHCP
> server or can belch RIP broadcasts?
> - Do you have any personal firewalls or proxy servers running?
> (XP firewall, ZoneAlarm, Kerio, Black Ice Defender, Norton Firewall,
> McAfee firewall, Sygate, etc)? If so, please disable them
> temporarily until things are working.
>
> >On Wednesday I came home from work and the PC which had been on all day
had
> >lost connection to the internet. I booted up the xp laptop and found that
> >too could not communicate with the router any more.
>
> I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2.
> The problem is that the default installation allows MS to deliver and
> install updates while the computah is idle. You could easily have
> been "updated" some time on Weds. While none of the updates have been
> dangerous or detrimental, they still manage to break a few things.
>
> Fire up Internet Exploder and run:
> Tools -> Windoze Update
> and select "View Installation History". Did anything get installed or
> updated on Weds?
>
> Please resist the temptation to roll everything back to before Weds on
> the XP laptop using "System Restore" until we've pounded this to
> death. That will probably fix the problem, but will not prevent it
> from happening again or help the W2K PC.
>
> >1. Any computer works fine (can connect to the internet) when I connect a
> >cable from the router to the computer.
> >2. The Win2k laptop can connect wirelessly using the pcmcia card.
> >3. The Win2k PC and WinXP laptop cannot connect wirelessly
> >4. If I remove the pcmcia card from the Win2k laptop and put it in the
WinXP
> >latop, I can then connect.
> >
> >Wirelessly, I get an excellent signal. The router's DHCP service in
enabled
> >and the wireless clients do receive an IP address, but the Win2k PC and
> >WinXP laptop can't see the router or internet.
>
> Well, there's a potential problem. W2K and XP sometimes "remember"
> the previous IP address and will not issue a new one until you
> manually kick start a DCHP request. This is common when you take your
> laptop to the office, pickup an IP address, and then go home to find
> that the laptop still has the office LAN's address. I think this was
> finally fixed in XP SP2, but I'm not sure. Try:
>
> Start -> Run -> cmd
> ipconfig /release
> wait about 15 seconds
> ipconfig /renew
> Then check if you still have an IP address with:
> ipconfig
> For Belkin, it should be 192.168.2.xxx.
>
> If you get a good DHCP delivered IP address, and still can't ping the
> router, then something on your PC is blocking the pings. The most
> likely culprit is a personal firewall or the XP firewall (as mentioned
> previously). Try it again with these disabled.
>
> Incidentally, the XP SP2 firewall is quite smart and will not start if
> it finds another personal firewall programming running. This drove me
> nuts on a customer phone call as they said they had disabled the
> firewall, but didn't notice that another one magically appeared in its
> place. Therefore, on the XP laptop, make sure you turn off *ALL* the
> personal firewalls.
>
> If DHCP is delivering an IP address, DNS server, and gateway, then WEP
> is working. No need to play with that.
>
> Diagnostics trimmed. All look normal to me. In theory, if you get an
> IP address from the router via DHCP via wireless, then you should be
> able to ping the router.
>
> >I've tried changing the wireless channel, SSID, re-installing the device
> >drivers for the network cards, upgrading firmware for the router,
> >un-installing Norton Personal Firewall from all machines, setting the
router
> >to default settings (no security), but it doesn't help.
>
> Looks like you've already done most of my suggestions.
> - Did you reset the router to default settings when you upgraded
> the firmware? I don't mean changing the settings to the default,
> but using the "set to defaults" page in the web config.
> - Did you really un-install Norton Firewall or did you just turn
> it off? I got a suprise a while back when I turned it off via
> the Norton Integrator, only to find that it was still playing
> firewall and filter. I had to literally uninstall it to get it
> quit.
>
> >Has anyone come
> >across something like this before? I just can't see how 2 computers both
> >stop working at the same time. I would blame the router but pcmcia
wireless
> >card works fine!
>
> Well, it's not impossible to create such a situation. The router may
> have gone insane and decided to only connect to one MAC address. This
> is possible if the router has a "client" mode. An easy test would be
> to take the working W2K laptop out of the picture. Turn it off, power
> cycle the router, and see if *ONE* of the other radios can connect.
>
> >I also can't understand how the wireless card scan be
> >assigned an IP address and default gateway, and yet cannot ping the
default
> >gateway!
>
> Well, there's one more possibility. Unfortunately, this applies to
> the XP laptop only. Some spyware mangles the XP Winsock "chain" and
> causes connection problems. Usually, it's a total loss of
> connectivity, which means you should NOT get an IP address via DHCP.
> However, it's still worth a try. Download XP Winsock Fix from:
> http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html
> Run it. Say yes for the registry backup, and see if it fixes the
> problem.
>
> Also, I'm assuming that you've done virus scans and spyware scans.
> Since you have Norton Firewall, I'll assume you have Norton Anti-Virus
> 2004. Update and run it.
>
> For spyware checking, I use Spybot S&D 1.3 and Ad-Aware SE 1.05:
>
http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022...
>
http://www.download.com/Ad-Aware-SE-Personal-Edition/30...
> I've notices that no single program seems to catch all the spyware
> types and each program seems to be better at catching one type or
> other. Therefore, I use both. Also, Spybot has a glitch where it
> proclaims you have a "DSO Exploit". Just ignore it. It's not a
> problem.
>
> Good luck.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 6:56:56 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:56:55 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>I ran the SpyBot and Ad-Aware and they did delete a few things, but this
>didn't help. By the way, DSO Exploit did come up! I ignored it.

For those that are worried about the DSO exploit problem, the details
refer one to a web page that includes a web base test to check for
vulnerability. Every machine I use and fix has passed the test. Not
a problem. Only Spybot seems to consider DSO exploit a problem.

>The XP laptop seemed to be working fine for about 20
>minutes after it was the first to connect to the router.

Oh-oh. Where did you get your firmware? Did Belkin point you to
their web pile, or did it arrive via email or from some non-public
accessible location? My guess(tm) is that there's something wrong
with the firmware. If first radio to connect works (sorta), then it's
acting like a client radio, not an access point. Did the downgraded
web configuration pages look similar to your previous version or were
they something completely different?

>The W2K laptop
>continues to work without problems. The XP laptop now has similar problems
>to the W2K desktop which I can demonstrate from the cmd session on the W2K
>box:

>Request timed out.
>Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
>Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
>Request timed out.

That smells like a different problem. If you really do have a strong
signal strength and good s/n ratio, you should not be missing any
pings or show any such erratic operation. Since you successfully
receive a DHCP assigned IP address, some parts are working, but others
appear to be broken. Nice puzzle.

>I am concerned that the router is 802.11b, and
>so is the functioning Netgear card. However the W2K card and XP wireless are
>both 802.11b/g. Could this be an issue?

Probably not, unless you have set some type of 802.11g mode only
settings in both cards. If you had done that, you would not see any
signal strength, so methinks the 802.11g cards are switching to
802.11b properly.

>My other concern are the other wireless networks which keep popping up in
>the Site Monitor - although they are using channel 11 and I am using channel
>1.

I'll assume you mean the site monitor on the client radio(s). This is
good as it proves that your wireless cards on the laptop and desktop
are working and picking up other systems. If you feel ambitious, you
might try to initiate a connection and run the ping test to these
other systems.

I was going to suggest an expedition to the nearest free hot spot with
both laptops in order to verify that they are functional and not part
of the puzzle. My guess(tm) is that they will work just fine, which
leaves the Belkin router as the probable culprit (by process of
elimination).

Similarly, would it be possible to replace the Belkin router with
another wireless router for testing? Based upon your obviously
exhaustive testing and troubleshooting, very little points directly at
the router as the source of the problem. However, the combination of
the erratic ping performance, schizoid DHCP delivery, and general
oddities seem to suggest that the router has somehow gone partially
insane. It's the partial failure that is causing the confusion. The
firmware downgrade may have been responsible, or some internal
hardware failure may be at fault. The chances of two out of three
client devices failing or being misconfigured simultaneously are
sufficiently small to be discounted. If a hotspot test proves the
laptops are functional, then the only thing left is a Belkin router
failure.

If you want to peform a last heroic attempt at recovery, I suggest you
download the latest publicly available firmware from the Belkin web
pile, reset to defaults, and try again. However, methinks that would
a waste of time.

Incidentally, thanks for supplying detailed, accurate, and coherent
information. It makes troubleshooting much easier.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 9:18:05 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:38:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:

>For those that are worried about the DSO exploit problem, the details
>refer one to a web page that includes a web base test to check for
>vulnerability. Every machine I use and fix has passed the test. Not
>a problem. Only Spybot seems to consider DSO exploit a problem.

You can set Spybot to ignore DSO Exploit (and anything else you want
ignored) either by right-clicking on the name of the exploit in the
found problems window and specifying that it be ignored, or in the
Advanced Mode.
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 9:40:03 PM

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Jeff

The belkin router firmware was from their public support web site. The
worrying thing about that is that, according to the router status page, the
firmware version is "V1.01.003.d02 (Beta test only)". The Belkin support guy
didn't seem to concerned about that though. The new, downgraded config pages
look just the same as the old ones, apart from the version number on the
status page.

Yes, I was referring to the Site Monitor in the Utility on the client
radios. These other networks seem to have some kind of security and I don't
seem to be able to do any ping tests without knowing the passwords/codes.

I will try to replace my router with my friend's spare one when he comes
back from his holiday. This will be in about a week, so in the meantime I'll
just use the cable and probably put the troubleshooting on hold! Thanks for
all your help. I'll post an update next weekend hopefully.

Regards
Paul.

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
news:qh80m0hfaj94obu7pl18nrnstut847vupl@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:56:55 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I ran the SpyBot and Ad-Aware and they did delete a few things, but this
> >didn't help. By the way, DSO Exploit did come up! I ignored it.
>
> For those that are worried about the DSO exploit problem, the details
> refer one to a web page that includes a web base test to check for
> vulnerability. Every machine I use and fix has passed the test. Not
> a problem. Only Spybot seems to consider DSO exploit a problem.
>
> >The XP laptop seemed to be working fine for about 20
> >minutes after it was the first to connect to the router.
>
> Oh-oh. Where did you get your firmware? Did Belkin point you to
> their web pile, or did it arrive via email or from some non-public
> accessible location? My guess(tm) is that there's something wrong
> with the firmware. If first radio to connect works (sorta), then it's
> acting like a client radio, not an access point. Did the downgraded
> web configuration pages look similar to your previous version or were
> they something completely different?
>
> >The W2K laptop
> >continues to work without problems. The XP laptop now has similar
problems
> >to the W2K desktop which I can demonstrate from the cmd session on the
W2K
> >box:
>
> >Request timed out.
> >Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
> >Reply from 192.168.2.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
> >Request timed out.
>
> That smells like a different problem. If you really do have a strong
> signal strength and good s/n ratio, you should not be missing any
> pings or show any such erratic operation. Since you successfully
> receive a DHCP assigned IP address, some parts are working, but others
> appear to be broken. Nice puzzle.
>
> >I am concerned that the router is 802.11b, and
> >so is the functioning Netgear card. However the W2K card and XP wireless
are
> >both 802.11b/g. Could this be an issue?
>
> Probably not, unless you have set some type of 802.11g mode only
> settings in both cards. If you had done that, you would not see any
> signal strength, so methinks the 802.11g cards are switching to
> 802.11b properly.
>
> >My other concern are the other wireless networks which keep popping up in
> >the Site Monitor - although they are using channel 11 and I am using
channel
> >1.
>
> I'll assume you mean the site monitor on the client radio(s). This is
> good as it proves that your wireless cards on the laptop and desktop
> are working and picking up other systems. If you feel ambitious, you
> might try to initiate a connection and run the ping test to these
> other systems.
>
> I was going to suggest an expedition to the nearest free hot spot with
> both laptops in order to verify that they are functional and not part
> of the puzzle. My guess(tm) is that they will work just fine, which
> leaves the Belkin router as the probable culprit (by process of
> elimination).
>
> Similarly, would it be possible to replace the Belkin router with
> another wireless router for testing? Based upon your obviously
> exhaustive testing and troubleshooting, very little points directly at
> the router as the source of the problem. However, the combination of
> the erratic ping performance, schizoid DHCP delivery, and general
> oddities seem to suggest that the router has somehow gone partially
> insane. It's the partial failure that is causing the confusion. The
> firmware downgrade may have been responsible, or some internal
> hardware failure may be at fault. The chances of two out of three
> client devices failing or being misconfigured simultaneously are
> sufficiently small to be discounted. If a hotspot test proves the
> laptops are functional, then the only thing left is a Belkin router
> failure.
>
> If you want to peform a last heroic attempt at recovery, I suggest you
> download the latest publicly available firmware from the Belkin web
> pile, reset to defaults, and try again. However, methinks that would
> a waste of time.
>
> Incidentally, thanks for supplying detailed, accurate, and coherent
> information. It makes troubleshooting much easier.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 9:40:04 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:40:03 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>The belkin router firmware was from their public support web site. The
>worrying thing about that is that, according to the router status page, the
>firmware version is "V1.01.003.d02 (Beta test only)".

Ahah! I found this release note on versions for the F5D623x series
with versions up to 1.20.004 dated April 10, 2003.

http://web.belkin.com/support/download/files/Release-no...
Your beta version isn't even listed. Note the large number of DHCP
related issues. See:

http://web.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails....
for the latest download. Where did you find your firmware image?

>The Belkin support guy
>didn't seem to concerned about that though. The new, downgraded config pages
>look just the same as the old ones, apart from the version number on the
>status page.

OK, so it's not some kind of client only mutatated firmware. I find
it rather odd that they would recommend a downgrade. Since the
firmware seems to be an issue, it might be possible to use the SMC
firmware for your F5D6230-3. I find mention on the web of various
people doing that with other Belkin models.
http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/belkinadsl/
I couldn't find anything for doing that with the F5D6230-3 but perhaps
someone else has experience.

Incidentally, you may find the bottom comments on this review of the
F5D7130 rather familiar:
http://www.cool-networks.net/cgi-bin/amazon.pl?asinsear...

>Yes, I was referring to the Site Monitor in the Utility on the client
>radios. These other networks seem to have some kind of security and I don't
>seem to be able to do any ping tests without knowing the passwords/codes.

Oh well. It was worth a try. Drag the laptops to a friends or a hot
spot and see if they really do work as expected. That will eliminated
them as the cause of the problem.

>I will try to replace my router with my friend's spare one when he comes
>back from his holiday. This will be in about a week, so in the meantime I'll
>just use the cable and probably put the troubleshooting on hold! Thanks for
>all your help. I'll post an update next weekend hopefully.

Good luck.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 11:34:46 PM

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"I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2".

Hi Jeff

I was interested in what you said here because since Windoze automatically
undated XPH to SP2, I 'lost' my wireless network connection between laptop
and desktop. Sure, both computers 'see' each other in the workgroup, but
get Access Denied when I try to move files.

It's no big deal at the moment and to be honest I haven't yet looked for a
solution on the 'net. However, if you knew the fix I'd be grateful

PL




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Anonymous
October 3, 2004 11:34:47 PM

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iirc sp2 implemented a firewall by default. check firewall settings on both
machines.

jtm
Anonymous
October 3, 2004 11:34:47 PM

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On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:34:46 +0100, "NeatRipple"
<neatripple{AT}lineone.net> wrote:

>"I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2".

>I was interested in what you said here because since Windoze automatically
>undated XPH to SP2, I 'lost' my wireless network connection between laptop
>and desktop. Sure, both computers 'see' each other in the workgroup, but
>get Access Denied when I try to move files.

It's almost certainly the Windoze firewall, which is installed and
running by default in SP2. The paradigm is that it's better to safe,
secure, and conservative, than wide open, sloppy, and accessible.
Therefore, MS does a heroic job of trying to determine an optimum
network configuration for the firewall. In most cases, they get it
right. Sometimes, something is forgotten. In your case, the firewall
probably does not have the "File and Print Sharing" checkbox in the
"Exceptions" tab of the firewall configuration. Check it and your
network will work again. This sorta explains it:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cabl...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875357

>It's no big deal at the moment and to be honest I haven't yet looked for a
>solution on the 'net. However, if you knew the fix I'd be grateful


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
October 4, 2004 12:34:55 AM

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"Jim Miller" <jim@removethisjtmiller.com> wrote in message
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> iirc sp2 implemented a firewall by default. check firewall settings on
> both
> machines.

Unchecked firewall but 'problem' remained; I simply can't transfer any files
(file sharing is activated)




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Anonymous
October 4, 2004 1:13:43 AM

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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
> right. Sometimes, something is forgotten. In your case, the firewall
> probably does not have the "File and Print Sharing" checkbox in the
> "Exceptions" tab of the firewall configuration. Check it and your

My guess is that it has to do with whether a network is alive at the time
that the SP2 is applied. I copied the SP2 to a CDROM to update some dialup
machines. Those have no boxes checked on the Exceptions page.
No file sharing, no ping (icmp echo).

The wired desktops seem to have sharing opened up to everyone on the
subnet.

If someone's network connection is wireless, and isn't connected at the
time that SP2 is applied, maybe it doesn't check any boxes on the
exceptions page.

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Anonymous
October 4, 2004 10:45:13 AM

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1.20.004 was the version I was running for about a year, I think, before
Belkin Support suggested a downgrade. Now I've read the PDF you linked, I
can see there are some changes to the configuration pages. For example, the
Renew and Release lease buttons are missing on my beta version of the
firmware. They were there before. That seems to suggest that my version is
really old since those buttons were added in v1.20.000!

I live in the UK, so I went to the Europe branch on the page before. Upon
checking just now, I've noticed there is a v1.20.000 available there. I must
have missed this and downloaded the old v1.01.003 version by mistake. I'll
try the v1.20.000 now. There doesn't seem to be a Europe version of the
1.20.004 available anymore. I say anymore because I think I was running that
version for ages, unless of course I originally downloaded the one from the
US page by accident. Incidently, am I correct in only downloading stuff from
the Europe page since I live in Europe? My Win2K Desktop card had a Locale
setting with only Worldwide in the drop down list. I'm pretty sure the old
version of it's driver had a few more options, not including Europe.

Those review comments on the F5D7130 are quite amusing!

I'll try the 1.20.000 firmware now and let you know. Thanks!

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
news:9th0m0lsetkmgb43aot0mirlvm0vgopo49@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:40:03 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The belkin router firmware was from their public support web site. The
> >worrying thing about that is that, according to the router status page,
the
> >firmware version is "V1.01.003.d02 (Beta test only)".
>
> Ahah! I found this release note on versions for the F5D623x series
> with versions up to 1.20.004 dated April 10, 2003.
>
>
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/files/Release-no...
> Your beta version isn't even listed. Note the large number of DHCP
> related issues. See:
>
>
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails....
> for the latest download. Where did you find your firmware image?
>
> >The Belkin support guy
> >didn't seem to concerned about that though. The new, downgraded config
pages
> >look just the same as the old ones, apart from the version number on the
> >status page.
>
> OK, so it's not some kind of client only mutatated firmware. I find
> it rather odd that they would recommend a downgrade. Since the
> firmware seems to be an issue, it might be possible to use the SMC
> firmware for your F5D6230-3. I find mention on the web of various
> people doing that with other Belkin models.
> http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/belkinadsl/
> I couldn't find anything for doing that with the F5D6230-3 but perhaps
> someone else has experience.
>
> Incidentally, you may find the bottom comments on this review of the
> F5D7130 rather familiar:
> http://www.cool-networks.net/cgi-bin/amazon.pl?asinsear...
>
> >Yes, I was referring to the Site Monitor in the Utility on the client
> >radios. These other networks seem to have some kind of security and I
don't
> >seem to be able to do any ping tests without knowing the passwords/codes.
>
> Oh well. It was worth a try. Drag the laptops to a friends or a hot
> spot and see if they really do work as expected. That will eliminated
> them as the cause of the problem.
>
> >I will try to replace my router with my friend's spare one when he comes
> >back from his holiday. This will be in about a week, so in the meantime
I'll
> >just use the cable and probably put the troubleshooting on hold! Thanks
for
> >all your help. I'll post an update next weekend hopefully.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
October 4, 2004 10:51:32 AM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

Oh dear, I've just realised why i didn't download the 1.20.000 previously -
the firmware is German. Now my configuration pages are a little harder to
understand! :-)

"Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Zj68d.154365$U04.24660@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> 1.20.004 was the version I was running for about a year, I think, before
> Belkin Support suggested a downgrade. Now I've read the PDF you linked, I
> can see there are some changes to the configuration pages. For example,
the
> Renew and Release lease buttons are missing on my beta version of the
> firmware. They were there before. That seems to suggest that my version is
> really old since those buttons were added in v1.20.000!
>
> I live in the UK, so I went to the Europe branch on the page before. Upon
> checking just now, I've noticed there is a v1.20.000 available there. I
must
> have missed this and downloaded the old v1.01.003 version by mistake. I'll
> try the v1.20.000 now. There doesn't seem to be a Europe version of the
> 1.20.004 available anymore. I say anymore because I think I was running
that
> version for ages, unless of course I originally downloaded the one from
the
> US page by accident. Incidently, am I correct in only downloading stuff
from
> the Europe page since I live in Europe? My Win2K Desktop card had a Locale
> setting with only Worldwide in the drop down list. I'm pretty sure the old
> version of it's driver had a few more options, not including Europe.
>
> Those review comments on the F5D7130 are quite amusing!
>
> I'll try the 1.20.000 firmware now and let you know. Thanks!
>
> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:9th0m0lsetkmgb43aot0mirlvm0vgopo49@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:40:03 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The belkin router firmware was from their public support web site. The
> > >worrying thing about that is that, according to the router status page,
> the
> > >firmware version is "V1.01.003.d02 (Beta test only)".
> >
> > Ahah! I found this release note on versions for the F5D623x series
> > with versions up to 1.20.004 dated April 10, 2003.
> >
> >
>
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/files/Release-no...
> > Your beta version isn't even listed. Note the large number of DHCP
> > related issues. See:
> >
> >
>
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails....
> > for the latest download. Where did you find your firmware image?
> >
> > >The Belkin support guy
> > >didn't seem to concerned about that though. The new, downgraded config
> pages
> > >look just the same as the old ones, apart from the version number on
the
> > >status page.
> >
> > OK, so it's not some kind of client only mutatated firmware. I find
> > it rather odd that they would recommend a downgrade. Since the
> > firmware seems to be an issue, it might be possible to use the SMC
> > firmware for your F5D6230-3. I find mention on the web of various
> > people doing that with other Belkin models.
> > http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/belkinadsl/
> > I couldn't find anything for doing that with the F5D6230-3 but perhaps
> > someone else has experience.
> >
> > Incidentally, you may find the bottom comments on this review of the
> > F5D7130 rather familiar:
> > http://www.cool-networks.net/cgi-bin/amazon.pl?asinsear...
> >
> > >Yes, I was referring to the Site Monitor in the Utility on the client
> > >radios. These other networks seem to have some kind of security and I
> don't
> > >seem to be able to do any ping tests without knowing the
passwords/codes.
> >
> > Oh well. It was worth a try. Drag the laptops to a friends or a hot
> > spot and see if they really do work as expected. That will eliminated
> > them as the cause of the problem.
> >
> > >I will try to replace my router with my friend's spare one when he
comes
> > >back from his holiday. This will be in about a week, so in the meantime
> I'll
> > >just use the cable and probably put the troubleshooting on hold! Thanks
> for
> > >all your help. I'll post an update next weekend hopefully.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>
Anonymous
October 5, 2004 11:27:31 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

For your information Paul:

Thanks for the reply Alan but I seem to have sorted out my problem. I
uninstalled ZoneAlarm Pro (firewall) completely and then reinstalled
v5.1.011.000 (as opposed to version 5.1.033.000 which was released last
week) and all now seems back to normal....HOORAH I am so pleased to be up
and running again!!
Perhaps this could be the cause of other people's difficulties as the
symptoms described by Paul Raven and Mike seem similar.

Linda

"Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Up68d.154399$U04.83399@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Oh dear, I've just realised why i didn't download the 1.20.000
> previously -
> the firmware is German. Now my configuration pages are a little harder to
> understand! :-)
>
> "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Zj68d.154365$U04.24660@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> 1.20.004 was the version I was running for about a year, I think, before
>> Belkin Support suggested a downgrade. Now I've read the PDF you linked, I
>> can see there are some changes to the configuration pages. For example,
> the
>> Renew and Release lease buttons are missing on my beta version of the
>> firmware. They were there before. That seems to suggest that my version
>> is
>> really old since those buttons were added in v1.20.000!
>>
>> I live in the UK, so I went to the Europe branch on the page before. Upon
>> checking just now, I've noticed there is a v1.20.000 available there. I
> must
>> have missed this and downloaded the old v1.01.003 version by mistake.
>> I'll
>> try the v1.20.000 now. There doesn't seem to be a Europe version of the
>> 1.20.004 available anymore. I say anymore because I think I was running
> that
>> version for ages, unless of course I originally downloaded the one from
> the
>> US page by accident. Incidently, am I correct in only downloading stuff
> from
>> the Europe page since I live in Europe? My Win2K Desktop card had a
>> Locale
>> setting with only Worldwide in the drop down list. I'm pretty sure the
>> old
>> version of it's driver had a few more options, not including Europe.
>>
>> Those review comments on the F5D7130 are quite amusing!
>>
>> I'll try the 1.20.000 firmware now and let you know. Thanks!
>>
>> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:9th0m0lsetkmgb43aot0mirlvm0vgopo49@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:40:03 GMT, "Paul Raven" <Paul@nowhere.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >The belkin router firmware was from their public support web site. The
>> > >worrying thing about that is that, according to the router status
>> > >page,
>> the
>> > >firmware version is "V1.01.003.d02 (Beta test only)".
>> >
>> > Ahah! I found this release note on versions for the F5D623x series
>> > with versions up to 1.20.004 dated April 10, 2003.
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://web.belkin.com/support/download/files/Release-no...
>> > Your beta version isn't even listed. Note the large number of DHCP
>> > related issues. See:
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://web.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails....
>> > for the latest download. Where did you find your firmware image?
>> >
>> > >The Belkin support guy
>> > >didn't seem to concerned about that though. The new, downgraded config
>> pages
>> > >look just the same as the old ones, apart from the version number on
> the
>> > >status page.
>> >
>> > OK, so it's not some kind of client only mutatated firmware. I find
>> > it rather odd that they would recommend a downgrade. Since the
>> > firmware seems to be an issue, it might be possible to use the SMC
>> > firmware for your F5D6230-3. I find mention on the web of various
>> > people doing that with other Belkin models.
>> > http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/belkinadsl/
>> > I couldn't find anything for doing that with the F5D6230-3 but perhaps
>> > someone else has experience.
>> >
>> > Incidentally, you may find the bottom comments on this review of the
>> > F5D7130 rather familiar:
>> > http://www.cool-networks.net/cgi-bin/amazon.pl?asinsear...
>> >
>> > >Yes, I was referring to the Site Monitor in the Utility on the client
>> > >radios. These other networks seem to have some kind of security and I
>> don't
>> > >seem to be able to do any ping tests without knowing the
> passwords/codes.
>> >
>> > Oh well. It was worth a try. Drag the laptops to a friends or a hot
>> > spot and see if they really do work as expected. That will eliminated
>> > them as the cause of the problem.
>> >
>> > >I will try to replace my router with my friend's spare one when he
> comes
>> > >back from his holiday. This will be in about a week, so in the
>> > >meantime
>> I'll
>> > >just use the cable and probably put the troubleshooting on hold!
>> > >Thanks
>> for
>> > >all your help. I'll post an update next weekend hopefully.
>> >
>> > Good luck.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
>> > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> > Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
October 10, 2004 3:37:35 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

If you installed SP-2, maybe you need to tell the systems to "Allow remote
connections" again.. SP-2 may have set it back to the default (deny).. Just
a thought..



"NeatRipple" <neatripple{AT}lineone.net> wrote in message
news:41604649$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
> "I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2".
>
> Hi Jeff
>
> I was interested in what you said here because since Windoze automatically
> undated XPH to SP2, I 'lost' my wireless network connection between laptop
> and desktop. Sure, both computers 'see' each other in the workgroup, but
> get Access Denied when I try to move files.
>
> It's no big deal at the moment and to be honest I haven't yet looked for a
> solution on the 'net. However, if you knew the fix I'd be grateful
>
> PL
>
>
>
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Anonymous
October 10, 2004 3:37:35 PM

Archived from groups: alt.internet.wireless (More info?)

Just a thought.. If you installed SP-2, maybe you need to tell the systems
to "Allow remote connections" again.. SP-2 may have set it back to the
default (deny)

"NeatRipple" <neatripple{AT}lineone.net> wrote in message
news:41604649$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
> "I've gotten calls for similar symptoms ever since MS released XP SP2".
>
> Hi Jeff
>
> I was interested in what you said here because since Windoze automatically
> undated XPH to SP2, I 'lost' my wireless network connection between laptop
> and desktop. Sure, both computers 'see' each other in the workgroup, but
> get Access Denied when I try to move files.
>
> It's no big deal at the moment and to be honest I haven't yet looked for a
> solution on the 'net. However, if you knew the fix I'd be grateful
>
> PL
>
>
>
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