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HP Invests in Automation and Cloud; 9000 Jobs Go

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June 1, 2010 9:14:21 PM

*Sigh* I guess the economic recovery will be a little longer coming. I wish that HP would had taken part of the 2 billion in proposed spending for the next 2 years to re-purpose the people being laid off. That could potentially drive down the estimated costs as well as keep some people from being unemployed. I wish them luck in these tough times.
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June 1, 2010 9:14:45 PM

Perfect, jsut what the world needs, more lost jobs.
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June 1, 2010 9:19:20 PM

Gin FushichoPerfect, jsut what the world needs, more lost jobs.

And the perfect time to inovate, be different and create your own company.
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June 1, 2010 9:26:43 PM

Lost jobs, more expensive products.
Go HP!

Soon you'll replace all your non-essential employees with robots.
Go HP!

Soon robots will replace all your remaining employees.
Go Cybernet!
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June 1, 2010 9:29:54 PM

Smart move on HP's part. Although a bad day for those 9000 employees who will lose their jobs over the next few years.

Slowly seems like companies are slowly replacing actual people with various pieces of automated technology. Something tells me this is a bad thing...
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June 1, 2010 9:41:21 PM

According to CNNMoney.com:

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HP will cut about 9,000 jobs in its enterprise services division as a result, but over the same time period, the company expects to add about 6,000 employees to its sales and delivery teams.


Net Loss: 3,000 jobs.
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June 1, 2010 9:47:17 PM

The machines are will soon outnumber humans 2:1 at this rate, and when they reach these numbers they will be smart enough to destroy us!!!! No but seriously that is a horrible thing to do to people, especially in the economy...
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June 1, 2010 9:52:36 PM

well, it didn't go over 9000 ...
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June 1, 2010 10:04:23 PM

Well, being a public company pushes HP into pandering to their shareholders instead of ethics.
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June 1, 2010 10:04:26 PM

If things keep going like this, soon every factory will be fully automated, hence no jobs, hence no money to the people. How can they expect to sell something to broke people? In our greed of ever greater profits we are making ourselfs obsolete. Where will that lead us?
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June 1, 2010 10:22:07 PM

No HP for me.
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June 1, 2010 11:29:14 PM

Sure, this'll save money..for the big-wigs. Too bad 9,000 more people have to lose their jobs to make this happen.
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June 1, 2010 11:47:17 PM

MOFO144If things keep going like this, soon every factory will be fully automated, hence no jobs, hence no money to the people. How can they expect to sell something to broke people? In our greed of ever greater profits we are making ourselfs obsolete. Where will that lead us?


People have been saying this since the industrial revolution and yet before the recession many areas in the U.S. had 2% unemployment. As the stuff we currently buy gets cheaper, we will figure out new things to spend our money on.
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June 1, 2010 11:55:37 PM

Man. This is such a tough topic to positively reflect on. There could be benefits on both sides. The thing is... HP is a HUGE name in the industry. I hope those 9,000 jobs were given AT LEAST a 3 month notice. There should be rules to this game. HP can afford to relieve there positions but they also NEEDED those positions to get to that point. Bastards if they handed people pink slips.
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June 2, 2010 12:09:59 AM

Businesses exist to make money, NOT to issue paychecks. If they can cut costs to make more money, they will. Stop acting as if they have a social obligation to keep paying people they don't need.

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June 2, 2010 12:16:37 AM

WHAT NINE-THOUSAND!?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I just... I had to do it.
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June 2, 2010 12:38:59 AM

mlopinto2k1Man. This is such a tough topic to positively reflect on. There could be benefits on both sides. The thing is... HP is a HUGE name in the industry. I hope those 9,000 jobs were given AT LEAST a 3 month notice. There should be rules to this game. HP can afford to relieve there positions but they also NEEDED those positions to get to that point. Bastards if they handed people pink slips.


It's over a period of liek 3 years.
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June 2, 2010 1:03:44 AM

Cloud computing...ha. I know one thing, our company will not have any part of it. Too much data, too sensitive and too much hassle.

Any company going this route should really, really, really think long and hard on it. Based on what we have seen, a host of cons and absolutely no pros for using a cloud.

This is going to be one of those things people jump on board with, and regret it with a passion using good old hindsight.
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June 2, 2010 1:04:44 AM

the 1 billion is severance packages so they'll get some money....I'm sure they would rather have a job but at least its something
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June 2, 2010 1:08:06 AM

jerreeceAccording to CNNMoney.com:Net Loss: 3,000 jobs.


The problem is "net loss" means nothing to the 9,000 who lose their jobs. Although 6,000 others may get hired, it doesn't help those 9,000 in these times.

@Figgus, you can't deny that companies go above and beyond hurting employees in many cases. Although they exist to make money, some things such as the bonuses issued to management and CEO's are downright immoral and unethical. A CEO who receives 10-100 times an average salary as JUST A BONUS shouldn't be able to live with themselves, no matter what 'good' they've done for the company. A better CEO would re-direct this money into R&D or expansion such as more product funding, or cell coverage expansion. The way business is run in America no longer serves anyone but the elite in each company.
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June 2, 2010 1:15:16 AM

lol the system doesn't care... soon the country will be full of jobless, and purposeless people...
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June 2, 2010 1:25:01 AM

Or... they'll find new jobs. I know it won't be easy for them but you guys are acting like they should just jump in the grave now.
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June 2, 2010 1:51:33 AM

This is what makes me SICK, they fire how ever many they think they need to lay off only to give raises to the hogs on top. Thanks to this model of economics & employment a whole generation will not find decent paying jobs while the older generation gets their retirement stolen from under their feet. with this model there can be no middle class employed out side government but will only serve to expand the lower classes and enrich those on top. 40-60% of the total wealth is owned by only 1% of the population. There are those who earn their pay and the rest steal it from the workers. How else does one mass a few billion with out lifting any thing heavier than a pencil? Many of these billionaires haven't worked like the rest of us even once in any years if ever. No I am no Marxist, socialism only works till you run out of somebody's money. 1% filthy rich, 2% middle class, 97% dirt poor.
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June 2, 2010 2:40:15 AM

As much as I love innovation, it hurts those that aren't able/willing to innovate. Everyone needs food, so we have farmers. What if they are replaced with assembly line style machines? What if the Groceries are run in a similar matter...so on and so on. With people making people obsolete, it simply won't be possible to make a success out of yourself when something tireless and without complaint can do it better. Makes me glad i'm alive now, because in the future, it is going to be a bigger problem with people outdoing themselves out of prosperity.
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June 2, 2010 3:41:36 AM

Well...the solution is simple. When you have a world in which people are no longer needed to "work", do you need the incentive of currency to have them work?
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June 2, 2010 5:03:13 AM

nforce4maxThere are those who earn their pay and the rest steal it from the workers.

This is a major miss-understanding of what corporate level management does. I'm not going to say this current crop has done all that well, but the vast majority of the time, their job is to create money from nothing. They take a large portion of money because they create a large portion of it. This is usually visible in a market where jobs are widely available.

Those workers don't create assets. If they went out on their own and tried to create their own assets, many of them would struggle to survive. That is why the entrepreneurial person is so infrequent.

If it weren't for a good management staff, most people would never have a job. It isn't slave labor. People do have the option to find their own job outside of the "terrible company" or to make their own company.

You're pinning the issue backwards.
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June 2, 2010 5:33:23 AM

Who is going to fix the automated equipment when it breaks?
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June 2, 2010 11:58:59 AM

its sad that 9000 people have to lose their jobs in order to move into cloud systems, but you cant retain people you dont need. if a computer can do the work of 10 and only need 1 people to supervise then is a no brainer.

little by little companies will realize that they really need people in R&D, marketing and sales.
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June 2, 2010 12:29:52 PM

brendano257The problem is "net loss" means nothing to the 9,000 who lose their jobs. Although 6,000 others may get hired, it doesn't help those 9,000 in these times.@Figgus, you can't deny that companies go above and beyond hurting employees in many cases. Although they exist to make money, some things such as the bonuses issued to management and CEO's are downright immoral and unethical. A CEO who receives 10-100 times an average salary as JUST A BONUS shouldn't be able to live with themselves, no matter what 'good' they've done for the company. A better CEO would re-direct this money into R&D or expansion such as more product funding, or cell coverage expansion. The way business is run in America no longer serves anyone but the elite in each company.


The fix to those CEOs is one area where we DO need more regulations: accountability to shareholders. If I owned stock in a company and a CEO was getting paid more than any one person is worth, I should have the right to challenge that. Right now, that is not the case... The boards basically vote on their own compensation, with little to no accountability for it.
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June 2, 2010 12:56:41 PM

I'm gonna start my own business now. I'll build a Suicide Booth factory! The timing seems right.

I'm not being insensitive, I'm referencing Futurama... while being grossly insensitive.
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June 2, 2010 1:04:46 PM

descendencyThis is a major miss-understanding of what corporate level management does. I'm not going to say this current crop has done all that well, but the vast majority of the time, their job is to create money from nothing. They take a large portion of money because they create a large portion of it. This is usually visible in a market where jobs are widely available. Those workers don't create assets. If they went out on their own and tried to create their own
assets, many of them would struggle to survive. That is why the entrepreneurial person is so infrequent. If it weren't for a good management staff, most people would never have a job. It isn't slave labor. People do have the option to find their own job outside of the "terrible company" or to make their own company. You're pinning the issue backwards.



I don't know what country you are from but ware I live not every one is brain dead in front of the TV. As bitter as I am I still have some measure of faith left in people as much as I hate them for being little obedient sheep/office drones. The moment that people realize that they can think for them selves and work together with others who are like minded the need for "leaders" will immediately go away. Nothing will change the greed of the hogs on top but 99.999% these days lack basic moral values.
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June 2, 2010 1:28:41 PM

Lets just hope those 9000 jobs are at their call centers in India. Still, that is not too bad I guess for a company that employees roughly 160,000 people. The article doesn't mention if the employees are being given the chance to retrain, relocate, or any other details which articles like this never seem to contain. Without all the facts, everyone is jumping to conclusions.
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June 2, 2010 2:28:13 PM

If I were one of the people who're likely to lose their jobs because of this, I'd hunt for another job with a competitor on company time and then leave with as little warning as possible.
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June 2, 2010 2:54:11 PM

Why support a company that can buy WebOS yet at the same moment kill off 9,000 jobs! Boycott HP!
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June 2, 2010 3:29:37 PM

sliemLost jobs, more expensive products.Go HP!Soon you'll replace all your non-essential employees with robots.Go HP!Soon robots will replace all your remaining employees.Go Cybernet!


Its Cyberdyne Systems and Skynet... PLZ watch terminator and pay attention next time.
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June 2, 2010 3:49:43 PM

"If the company don't know how to take good care your you. Then you may need to take good care of yourself". Quote from Ben YHH
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June 2, 2010 4:21:14 PM

figgusBusinesses exist to make money, NOT to issue paychecks. If they can cut costs to make more money, they will. Stop acting as if they have a social obligation to keep paying people they don't need.

I wish i could give you more then 1 positive...

What is wrong with you people? I own a business and my obligation is not to my employees it is to my family i need to feed... If i have to can you to feed my family, your gone!
I am not saying i don't treat my employees well, i do and i respect them greatly. At the end of the day i have bills to pay and if they are in the way of that then i will do what i have to do.

If these 9000 employees were offered a job paying 20k more a year @ IBM would they give 3 months notice? i think not, they will do what they have to do.
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June 2, 2010 4:23:29 PM

killerclickIf I were one of the people who're likely to lose their jobs because of this, I'd hunt for another job with a competitor on company time and then leave with as little warning as possible.

I also agree with this... You gotta look out for yourself!
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Anonymous
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June 2, 2010 5:36:01 PM

WHAT 9000?!
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June 2, 2010 6:05:14 PM

In American you can do anything and everything to make money. Morals have no place in the American economic system. What matters is legal vs illegal, nothing else.

I'm not saying it's the right way, but it is the American way. It's such an oxymoron to mention America and Moral together.
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June 4, 2010 12:28:47 AM

It's too bad that people have to lose jobs to get a company back on their feet.
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June 4, 2010 9:50:57 AM

Personally, working for a similar IT company doing similar things with Cloud (and experiencing similar levels of redundancy), I notice a number of respondents here are forgetting that the massive increase in automated rollouts of servers combined with headcount losses will lead directly to a massive increase in unsupported systems when they break a few months down the track - we've seen it before with cowboy installations our team gets called to fix which we were never engaged to install properly or support (to save money) - cloud computing with automated rollouts is simply multiplying the issue exponentially.
Automated 'self-maintaining, self-healing' systems do not exist yet - and every new product version with every new and deprecated set of features and interface changes puts that fantasy further out of reach.

Those on the forum backing 'entrepreneurial' decisions like this and justifying high exec salaries and bonuses for brain dead decisions seem to forget that top-down management decisions based on cost cutting and corner cutting, in blatant contradiction to expert advice from SME (subject matter experts) at the coal-face lead to fun events like the oil spill off the Southern U.S. coastline.
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