Dear Fredi,
A lot of members of this forum have several comp[lains about this forum. And to give you a chance to reply and explain the reasons why there isn't anything done (yet, because maybe you're working on it) against the following two problems:
1. As you can read in several other posts there is a huge complainment about the speed of the forums. Can you please enlight why this problem is there and if there are any reachable solutions against it?
2. A lot of members almost beg for moderators... and there have been several theads about this subject. Also several respected members left this forum with as one reason the huge amount of trolling, to name their names: FatBurger and AMD_Man. Isn't it possible with the current forum-software to select some respected members as moderator to clean the forums of useless trolling. Or is it possible to select some moderators that rate posts so that the troll posts are only viewed when a member wants too (with a selection option in his profile to do this).
We understand that you're very busy managing several forums and the main websites. But these complains are here for many months and we're curious why there isn't anything happening.
I hope you can clearly understand my post because I'm not English.
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Yup.
Mods or more control please.
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you would be more likely to be heard if you pm'd this message instead of posting it to Fredi
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Well said
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I don't think it would be slow if we stopped with all the spamming/flamming threads.
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It's a text forum... only a good cable connection would be ok to host it... damn.
I think he wanted to make his complaints publicly, and get an answer to the question that many of us ask.
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I think I must have took a wrong turn some where, because I hardly ever reply here, but I can't help myself this time. Your ideal is a good one, I guess. I don't see what Fredi can do, not without putting a lot of thought into it. And your ideals doesn't look like you put much thought in it. I'm sorry, but you either debate, try to solve a problem, or just talk about anything here, and this is what this place is all about. I recall AMD-Man bashing VIA, same with FatBurgar he was going off the deep end towards the end there. I could say more, but thats not my stile, and I said to much already, cause I don't like to attack someone, unless they come at me first. But you say get rid of the trolls, but the respected member you use as an example were trolls. Who knows maybe there's a little troll in you too. Maybe I'm a troll too, because I think your idea is full of holes.
Also, I think it would be to much work to rate post. Do you think if we give a troll a different color, or added a button to there post or reply, for you couldn't see what they said, unless you click on it would stop people from looking. It would be an added thing we would have to do to see someone's reply, also would be labeling a person, and taking away their freedom of speech, to a degree. Hay, you don't like someone, or someone's reply, simply don't reply back.
Again, I think your request is a little far fetch. I'm not 100% sure what your trying to do, second how it would be possible. Sounds like your saying threw people out, and for what reason, because you can't ignore them?
I like the speed improvement idea though.
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I have to admit, I used to see a lot of trolling. But since I don't even view the CPU/mainboard/Gfx forums anymore, I don't really see it anymore.
I probably have posted a few that could be judged 'trolling', but I would call it more like 'disrespectful' or 'totally miffed at msft' posts.
It's a two edged blade here. Gamefaqs is modded *VERY* heavily; half the topics/posts in the "others" quite literally would not exist at that level of modding. But then, Tommy's Place doesn't have 100,000 accounts either.
But I agree; Fredi needz to place a few GOOD (keyword here) individuals as mods, and cut down on his workload. It's not like they're webmasters here; just trained monkeys that walk a beat.
Here's my only question: why does everyone sweat the trolls? My God, people. Do you not work with a$$holes at your dayjob, or at least have to deal with them when they walk in off the street wearing pimp attire and a backward-visor?
No... I don't think that is the cause of the problem.
Because I live in Europe I am online when most of Amerika is sleeping... the speed of the forum is at that moment much better... but as soon as whole Amerika is awake it degrades to super-slow... so I think the server can't host this forum good if there are much members online reading/posting.
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Ok... I should have been more specific about the 'troll' defenition. If a person trolls sometimes but the rest of his post are very usefull and good it isn't a troll. But if someone only posts bs... flames other and trolls around with only 1 of the 100 posts a helpfull one then it is a troll and there should be something done against it.
And yes, I just used an example of an sultion I saw on a Dutch forum... which could he an option here... it was just an example not more. I don't visit eh CPU/GC/Mobo forums at this moment so I hardly see trolling... but I hear much complainment about it here in The Other... so I added this question to my question to Fredi.
We only may have to get rid of trolls if they ignore warnings from the webmaster/moderators. Then we ban theire acoount for 48 hour (or something) and make sure they don't start another account. After that we let them post again and see if they start to help more people. If they don't then they can be banned.
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I'm going to PM Fredi the URL of this thread... as Simon said it is much more usefull to open this topic public so everyone can see the answers.
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hey svol, word up yo
well i very highly doubt Mr. Fredi will give the kind of access a mod needs to have to anyone here. so thats out of the picture here.
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| Quote : Fredi needz to place a few GOOD (keyword here) individuals as mods, and cut down on his workload |
the kind of access required by a mod can't be given to people who post here. that would mean, that individual whould have some control over the servers, and thats a <b>VERY BIG NO NO</b>.
*I THINK* well unless Mr. Fredi trusts someone very very much, and by that i mean he would have to have control over the mod. *I THINK*
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Yeah, you're right about that part... the big question is if there would be mods... who would be them.
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That´s pretty obvious, I will be the mod and I will rule the forum like a dictator! muahahaha!
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poor Fredi is the webmaster and the forum mod along with other things he does for us.
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Yeah, he does very much and is very busy... so he needs help to manage this forum.
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You said you haven't seen much trolling, but hear people whining about it. Someone els said they haven't seen much either. I then would have to wonder why you even bring it up. I don't mean to give you a hard time, it's just I been hear awhile and really haven't seen to much trolling. There was amdmeltdown that stuck out like a sore thumb. I would read his post, but wouldn't get in a flame war with him. Guess, I'm saying the most I seen, usually took two to flame back and fourth. The people attacking a troll, isn't much better then the troll. So if two people are calling names back and fourth, I can't see just warning one, just because one started it. I realize not all of us are adults here, but I feel we should fight our own battles, debate back and fourth, and if it gets to much to handle get out if it. Out side of that I have no ideal who you are talking about, and don't understand why you or anyone els that has a problem can't ignore them. That's all I have to say about it.
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Well the last time I visited the Components section I didn't mind all the trolling. I just laugh at it and hardly never reply to it. But if you hear other people complaining about it and even leaving the place because of it you start to wonder how bad it is. To be completely honest I don't have any idea how bad the spamming is at this moment... but there where periods that it got very very bad... at those days we should need some moderators to try to keep the trolling in hand.
Oh and another reason that trolls should be marked or something is that newbies that come here for questions can get fooled by the trolls if no one shows them the real facts.
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| Quote : Oh and another reason that trolls should be marked or something is that newbies that come here for questions can get fooled by the trolls if no one shows them the real facts. |
That´s just nonsense if you ask me.
Now and then I do my best to help some poor chap that has a malfunctioning computer...I tell him what I think is the best solution for a particular problem.
I know that my "expertice" is somewhat crippled and I might say a few things that are not perfectly correct while I try to help him out.
However, I trust most peoples common sense and therefore I don´t think that the guy will try all "solutions" as soon he´s getting the first answer...
if he does, well...bad luck.
What do I want to say?
Well, the outcome of my answer and a trolls might as well be the same...should I be marked as well?
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No no... people who ask buying advice and don't know anytging about PCs can be fooled by trolls. People who ask help get more support and are more carefull with their stuff.
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You say you didn't mind all the trolling, and have no ideal how bad the spamming is, but yet you want Fredi to do something. See my point. Not sure what you mean by the newbies coming here. Cause I doubt THG is responsible for any information a person receives. Sort of like use the information at your own risk. Also I'm sure any wrong information will quickly be corrected by another member, someone is always on the job 24/7. I don't look at anybody as a troll, well were all trolls in away. But, I feel each and ever member would help someone els out if they could, and that there are very few that wouldn't. This few being sick in the head, and I doubt you have to worry about them making it here for long. I remember amdmeltdown saying to AMD-Man after building his Intel system, nice system, so even he has another side. It's real easy to label someone, but that doesn't mean that's who they really are, 99% of people have a heart, and also feelings. Guess it all depends on the size of the person, some take things serious, others have more understanding, some hold grudges, others don't, some care, some don't. So stop being a bully and leave them trolls a lone. Lol..........Like I said before, I took a wrong turn and ended up here, I normally don't get involved in this sort of thing, but I was board, didn't feel like trying to help someone get their system to boot. Must be why people go to the other, tired of answering the same old question. Maybe I'll get a sight with some links, for people won't have to keep telling people what to check, or how to boot their system. I would need some help myself, starting with how to get a sight up. All that red tape, don't know what I need or don't need. Over and Out.
Hey Baby, want to play with my computer?
Ok... lets just say my post to Fredi was mainly because of the speed problems... and just secondary to let the voice of the members who wants moderators be heard again.
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On second thought I think you might have a point. There are some people here that are tick me off, I'm working on a list and will post when I'm done. Just kidding. There are people here that want to help, and people that appreciate the help, some people just want to have fun, and that's OK, but for the few people that can't hold them self back from being a jerk ruin it for the others, I wish they would straighten up, either contribute respectfully or shut the h*ll up. But, I guess that's asking to much. O-well
Yes, this sight must be about the slowest on the planet. It also seem 1 out 5 times I have to log in again, then might get an error. I personally would like an answer from Fredi why this is, and if anything will be done about it. I have an ideal why it's so slow, but surely something can be done.
Hey Baby, want to play with my computer?
BUMP. Fredi why don't you respond. I know you got my PM with the URL of this thread.
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I dont' think he'll click. You should just paste teh whole thing in a message
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I just did... lets see if he replies to my PM.
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good thingk
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I think this place would be sooo very much better with mods. I mean sometimes I'm scared to look in the CPU and gfx section especially. What starts as a thread helping people out with what drivers are best for a GF3, turns to a war about ATi's drivers, then sooner or later it'll turn to be ATi vs. nVidia thread. Then it ends with people trying to rip other people a new one... Even with some responsible people here given some power to mod the forums, just to delete or lock down some threads, the atmosphere would be so much better for people to post.
I've been over at SharkyForums and [H]ardForums and they mod their forums and there's really no BS. When something like that happens, they just either delete some posts or close down the threads. It's a great system and I'm sure after a while, you won' even have to think about not posting BS.
Well, I have a couple nominees for mods. Not offence to peeps who aren't named, but I can't remember everyone that's done a part here.
<b>LGHPooBaa</b> - Very unbiased and a good helper to these forums
<b>Bront</b> - He's also not biased at all, and therefore would make a good mod. Unfortunately, he's moderating another forum and therefore wouldn't have much time
<b>AMD_Man</b> - If he'd only come back!! He's real good at helping people. I know personally. He's helped me out quite a bit.
<b>Eden</b> - Also, like AMD_Man, he knows his stuff and helps out as much as he can.
Well, I'd think 4 mods would be good enough for at least the CPU and GFX sections. Well, I hope Fredi really thinks about this one.
Finally, I get a capitalized title!! WOOT!!
Oh forgot someone that really deserves to be a mod:
<b>Crashman</b> - Well, what can I say, Crashman has a seemingly unlimited amount of knowledge and is quick to help anyone who needs it.
Finally, I get a capitalized title!! WOOT!!
I think <font color=green>FatBurger</font color=green> would be a really good mod as well.
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Yeah, but he's gone? Or did he say he'd come back if we had mods?
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Fictive Mods: LoL.
i've plugged my home blower to my case ... dunno what happen ... that works?!?
I am pretty sure he would come back if we had mods.
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I'm unbiased.
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Yeah, but you don't visit the other sections of the forums much? You stick around this section usually don't you?
Hopefully, Fredi will take this seriously cause I really don't want to lose other respected members of these forums!
Finally, I get a capitalized title!! WOOT!!
The reason I stick around this section is cause when people spam or troll it's in good nature.. unlike the other sections of the forum.
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Yup, a lot of members would be very happy with that.
But one thing (not to you, in general): NO MOD FOR THE OTHER SECTION: IT IS ALREADY A GOOD SECTION!
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Hey, it's the others section. It's where you do your *stuff*. Whatever. We'd leave this alone, it's just the CPU and gfx sections have gotten a little out of hand lately.
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The servers suck, agreed! A hardware site should be able to use some of countless "samples" they get and put something together that performs better. I'm on a fiber optic cable network with 1.5MB/s up and downstream and most of the time these forums CRAWL.
Moderators would be a good idea if they were experts and provided insight and substance to the forums. As for POLICING - that would be annoying and very AOL. We're not kiddies here and can handle our own in my opinion.
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| Quote : We're not kiddies here and can handle our own in my opinion. |
You must be new around here...
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agreed.
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Hey <b><font color=green>FatBurger</b></font color=green>, would you ever accept the post of mod?
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I don't mind at all when Fredi posts.
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Haha, but you know what he meant.
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So you'd rather have a board Nazi instead of simply ignoring and laughing at the few and far between trollers? Of course, "I'm new around here" since I think a board cop would be imposing and frankly annoying. I rather have someone on staff whose an expert and actually contributes to the forums, not someone who moves posts because it's in the wrong folder or "nicely reminding us that the discussion isn't appropriate" etc.
Free speech is a great thing, people who are offended by it have no patience and should move to a communist country, then you'll have some to really bitch about!
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one"
| Quote : So you'd rather have a board Nazi instead of simply ignoring and laughing at the few and far between trollers? |
I would rather have a contributing and mature moderator or team of moderators than allow what's currently happening to continue, yes.
| Quote : Of course, "I'm new around here" since I think a board cop would be imposing and frankly annoying. |
What forums do you frequent? Perhaps you've only been to forums where that is the case.
| Quote : I rather have someone on staff whose an expert and actually contributes to the forums, |
Perhaps not on staff, but someone who can contribute is not too much to ask.
| Quote : not someone who moves posts because it's in the wrong folder or "nicely reminding us that the discussion isn't appropriate" etc. |
I'm failing to see the downside of this.
| Quote : Free speech is a great thing, people who are offended by it have no patience and should move to a communist country, then you'll have some to really bitch about! |
You appear rather offended by my opinion. Ironic, no?
And as for communist countries, perhaps we should ask those from China exactly what that's like?
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