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phsstpok   07-09-2004 at 03:34:39 PM

The author, Alex Van Kaam, has decided to call it quits. Citing the inability to obtain technical information from key manufacturers as the main source of his frustrations, Alex has decided that 7.5 years of development is enough.

The full story can be found at Alex's MBM homepage.

<A HREF="http://mbm.livewiredev.com/" target="_new">http://mbm.livewiredev.com/</A>

<b>56K, slow and steady does not win the race on internet!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 07/09/04 09:35 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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Ned_Flanders   07-09-2004 at 07:03:01 PM
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never liked the program anyway.

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coylter   07-10-2004 at 12:17:10 AM
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Thats some bad news it was a realy good program...

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Spitfire_x86   07-11-2004 at 08:34:13 AM
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I've also heard many good things about that program, but never liked it personally

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ChipDeath   07-12-2004 at 04:50:12 PM
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I quite like it, although it can be a pain to configure to start with, 'tis true.

What are your preferred alternatives? Just curious

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TheRod   07-12-2004 at 05:24:20 PM
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I don't know for alternatives, but I agree that MBM was somewhat useful, but it was so hard to configure even for advanced users... I really hated it for that reason. I often use it while I set up overclocking, then, I mostly never run it.

I would better like, a more intuitive application with less eye-candy. I don't know who will take over this project... I mean who will start from scratch for this? If I were good enough in programming I might be interesting in doing it, but I'm not good enough in VB to do it!

But, basically, it's a simple thing to do, some read call, display them, keep the lowest/highest/average in variables. What's hard, it's probably to try figure out how to read from all those chipset/BIOS and different implementation!

I think a good start would be with something like CPU-Z that already identify BIOS/Chipset/motherboard model and revision.

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ChipDeath   07-12-2004 at 05:52:49 PM
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hmm.. I assume even the windows API is too high-level to get much of that information :eek: ..

I don't know in truth. Maybe I'll look into it if I'm bored sometime.

I see what you mean - something <i>really</i> simple would be great. Just simply display temps & voltages, with a simple timer for Poll Interval & maybe some logging. I would certainly use it myself.

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TheRod   07-12-2004 at 07:13:12 PM
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something really simple would be great. Just simply display temps & voltages, with a simple timer for Poll Interval & maybe some logging.


Yes, this is the way to go! Simplicity is often underestimated!

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My answer to that :
It's Summer, crank up overclocking to burn that AXP chip! I want an A64 asap!!! :smile:
XP 1800+ @ 166x12 (2.0GHz), 1.8 Vcore

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phsstpok   07-12-2004 at 07:59:46 PM
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That's exactly what's hard, reading the sensor. Each chipset is different, no standard addresses or access methods between chipsets. The obtained values aren't even in degrees just arbitrary, unbuffered, digitized numbers. You have to create the correct formula for each sensor/chipset combination. You also have to determine the correct bias values, offset from the zero or default value. You can't use just high, low and average either. System interupts can cause intermittent nonsensical values which have to be detected and ignored. Plus it's all experimentation and trial and error if the manufacturers won't provide the necessary information.

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TheRod   07-12-2004 at 08:02:49 PM
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So it's a good challenge for someone who likes messing with code/hardware. What would be great, it's an open-source project for this. So a lot of people could test or gives feedback to devellopers.

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Spitfire_x86   07-13-2004 at 10:09:26 AM
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I use winbond hardware doctor to monitor temp./voltage (supplied by ABIT)

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dhlucke   07-14-2004 at 01:11:26 AM
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That's a huge loss.

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phsstpok   07-14-2004 at 04:29:37 PM
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Yes.

It's too bad much of Alex's research was done under the contraints of NDAs. The information would have provide a huge headstart to such a project.



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TheRod   07-14-2004 at 04:33:54 PM
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Hummm.. Would it be possible for him to "sold" informations or software to another company?

I company liek FutureMark might be interested in this kind of software!

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phsstpok   07-15-2004 at 12:44:40 AM
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Doubt it. Alex stated that he can't open his code to the public because of the NDAs (Non Disclosure Agreements).

If the NDAs prevent him from giving away the information then he certainly can't sell the information.

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