Question About WW IK Barb in Uber-Tristram

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I met a good person the other day and gamed with him a few times.
WestUS SC NL

He has an IK barb, good life leech, WW barb, must be maxed in that
skill.

Will this guy do well in Uber-tristram. I get the idea that WW can not
only take out the packs but when crossing through ther big boys hit
them up for damage as well. He could also tank the big boys when the
chance arises. He has a lot of leech. WW wil leech off of every beast
he hits with it, right?

I want to tell him to start looking for keys to get ready for a journey
there. I'd just hate go there with him and see him get there and not
have an IK WW barb be a good build for that area. But I get the idea
that this char won't be too shabby there.

Any other ideas?

Orion

 

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Wait a sec, regular life leech does not work against the ubers?

I just need to get all this straight before I up and ask him to go for
it and I'll join then get there and have his presence be an
embarrassment to himself. I'd rather tell him to rebuild another
character if a WW barb is useless there.

I could always have him quest the lesser ubers and join him and see
how his barb holds up there.

The only uber minions I see listed as physical immune are swarms for
Duriel, Vampires for uber tristram, and wraiths, which I did not see in
tristram. (Gloams, named as willowisps, are listed as 90% phys res and
not in uber-tris)

Orion

 

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Orion Ryder wrote:
> I met a good person the other day and gamed with him a few times.
> WestUS SC NL
>
> He has an IK barb, good life leech, WW barb, must be maxed in that
> skill.
>
> Will this guy do well in Uber-tristram. I get the idea that WW can not
> only take out the packs but when crossing through ther big boys hit
> them up for damage as well. He could also tank the big boys when the
> chance arises. He has a lot of leech. WW wil leech off of every beast
> he hits with it, right?
>
> I want to tell him to start looking for keys to get ready for a journey
> there. I'd just hate go there with him and see him get there and not
> have an IK WW barb be a good build for that area. But I get the idea
> that this char won't be too shabby there.
>
> Any other ideas?

Leech will nae work against them, but life tap does. Dracul's, anyone?

Mickey

 

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I think it was "Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com> that wrote
something like...

>I met a good person the other day and gamed with him a few times.
>WestUS SC NL
>
>He has an IK barb, good life leech, WW barb, must be maxed in that
>skill.
>
>Will this guy do well in Uber-tristram. I get the idea that WW can not
>only take out the packs but when crossing through ther big boys hit
>them up for damage as well. He could also tank the big boys when the
>chance arises. He has a lot of leech. WW wil leech off of every beast
>he hits with it, right?
>
>I want to tell him to start looking for keys to get ready for a journey
>there. I'd just hate go there with him and see him get there and not
>have an IK WW barb be a good build for that area. But I get the idea
>that this char won't be too shabby there.
>
>Any other ideas?
>
>Orion

Well, a lot of the critters in Tristram are either physical immune or
skeletons, so I'm not sure how much he would actually be able to leech
off of besides the big boys themselves and Diablos quintuple immunes.
Of course if you're planning on having lifetap going in the area
you're fighting, then that'll be fine against the skeletons.

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The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
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In article <1127225062.547682.218420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Orion Ryder <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I met a good person the other day and gamed with him a few times.
>WestUS SC NL
>
>He has an IK barb, good life leech, WW barb, must be maxed in that
>skill.

I also had an IK Barb in the previous ladder, who has now been transferred
to Eur SC NL. I maxed WW, BO, Concentration, Mace Mastery, and some
prerequisites.

Solo-ed the entire game rather easily: WW for most groups of monsters,
Concentration for the tougher ones (end-of-act bosses, sometimes
individual bosses, etc). Switch to Berserk when IM is around.

>Will this guy do well in Uber-tristram. I get the idea that WW can not
>only take out the packs but when crossing through ther big boys hit
>them up for damage as well. He could also tank the big boys when the
>chance arises. He has a lot of leech. WW wil leech off of every beast
>he hits with it, right?

I think leech from WW is subject to the same restritions as regular
leeching, so f.i. no leeching for the Ubers in Uber-Tristram.

I also noticed some of the proc-ing stuff does not go off when WW-ing;
mine was wearing a Raven Frost and a Carrion Wind and when WW-ing the
Poison Nova's and Twisters did not go off. Only after switching to
Concentrate, did these go off again. But I'm not seeing anything in WW's
description which would explain this.

I've also never run around with him and Dracul's Grasp, so I have no idea
if the Lifetap on that goes off when WW-ing...

>I want to tell him to start looking for keys to get ready for a journey
>there. I'd just hate go there with him and see him get there and not
>have an IK WW barb be a good build for that area. But I get the idea
>that this char won't be too shabby there.

Looking at the various Uber-Tristram guides I've downloaded, the best he
seems to be able to do if I have to believe that, is to BO, the party, and
stay back.

But perhaps he can do more... I'm still looking for a way into
Uber-Tristram on the Non-Ladder Europe, but not much seems to be happening
there. That would allow me to also test-drive the Barb there...

>Any other ideas?

See above.

Patrick.

 

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"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
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> I also noticed some of the proc-ing stuff does not go off when WW-ing;
> mine was wearing a Raven Frost and a Carrion Wind and when WW-ing the
> Poison Nova's and Twisters did not go off. Only after switching to
> Concentrate, did these go off again. But I'm not seeing anything in WW's
> description which would explain this.

Yep, WW does not trigger Procs. And it doesn't say that in the description,
but that's not at all uncommon. The descriptions for Blade Fury does not say
that it transfers Crushing Blow, Open Wounds, etc, the description for
Blessed Hammer does not say it's affected by Concentration(or not affected
by Might/Fana) nor that it's unblockable, the description for Tornado does
not say it's not blockable or resistable, etc.

> I've also never run around with him and Dracul's Grasp, so I have no idea
> if the Lifetap on that goes off when WW-ing...

It doesn't.

> Patrick.

 

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I think it was Patrick Vervoorn
<patrick.vervoorn@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> that wrote something
like...

>
>>I want to tell him to start looking for keys to get ready for a journey
>>there. I'd just hate go there with him and see him get there and not
>>have an IK WW barb be a good build for that area. But I get the idea
>>that this char won't be too shabby there.
>
>Looking at the various Uber-Tristram guides I've downloaded, the best he
>seems to be able to do if I have to believe that, is to BO, the party, and
>stay back.
>
>But perhaps he can do more... I'm still looking for a way into
>Uber-Tristram on the Non-Ladder Europe, but not much seems to be happening
>there. That would allow me to also test-drive the Barb there...

Warcry could be useful. Taking my smiter up against Meph I had
trouble getting to him through all the skeletons he was bringing up.
Keeping them stunned with warcry should make it easier for other
characters to get to grips with him.


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The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!

 

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In article <1127228486.264184.292310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Orion Ryder <orionryder@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Wait a sec, regular life leech does not work against the ubers?

It has been my impression regular life leech does not work against Hell
Mephisto, Diablo and Baal. So it also does not work against the Uebers. I
think you _can_ leech from some of the 'lesser' evils.

Anyway, even if you can leech them, you need rather ridiculous amounts of
it to counter the heavy damage you're taking, which is why Lifetap is the
way to leech anyways.

>I just need to get all this straight before I up and ask him to go for
>it and I'll join then get there and have his presence be an
>embarrassment to himself. I'd rather tell him to rebuild another
>character if a WW barb is useless there.
>
>I could always have him quest the lesser ubers and join him and see
>how his barb holds up there.

That would be a nice test. I have no idea what happens when a WW Barb
Whirlwinds past the Uebers; will he be able to hit them (lots AR is
needed). Due to the IK Set, there are not many options to get higher
amounts of Crushing Blow besides the 40% on a (perfect) IK Maul. If you're
serious about engaging the Ueber with an IK Barb, it would perhaps become
an option to stick 1 or 2 Bers in there, instead of the 2 x Shaels (cheap
option), or 2 x 15IAS/nice secondary mod jewels (usually more expensive
option).

>The only uber minions I see listed as physical immune are swarms for
>Duriel, Vampires for uber tristram, and wraiths, which I did not see in
>tristram. (Gloams, named as willowisps, are listed as 90% phys res and
>not in uber-tris)

Yeah, if there were Gloams there, that would've been the day!

Anyway, I wasn't implying you can't leech off of anything in
Ueber-Tristram... If you have a good Lifetap going, a WW Barb will be a
bit like a Zealot, but because of the movement while WW-ing, you don't
actually land that many hits on the 'big boss'.

You can see the same happening when fighting the regular act-bosses with a
WW-barb: WW-ing over them gives you at most 1 or 2 hits on them, so that's
why I switched to Concentrate: more AR, higher damage, which allows you to
effectively deal more hits per amount of time than with WW.

Regardless, I'd still be interested to see how a WW-Ik-Barb fares in
Ueber-Tristram: perhaps with 3 'bosses' around and some secondary minions,
he might hit more, and 'spread' out the WW damage a bit. WW is a crowd
control skill...

Regards,

Patrick.

 

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Orion Ryder <orionryder@hotmail.com> kirjoitti:

> Wait a sec, regular life leech does not work against the ubers?

On the Arreat Summit, "drain effectiveness" is listed as zero for
Mephisto and non-zero but low for Diablo and Baal and most of the
spawned monsters in there can't be leeched from either. If you're
using an IK barb, put a wand with Life Tap charges on switch and
you'll be fine on life (they can be bought from the shops), but mana
would probably be a big problem. (Of course, if you can kill one uber
on a trip, you can head back to town for more pots.)

I haven't tried an IK barb in Tristram, but last time I built one, he
was the best Diablo Clone killer I then had. I don't remember the
other equipment he had, but it was Shaels in the maul (no question
about that, don't put anything else in there), topazes in the armor
and hat (something else would be better for Tristram, obviously) and
some jewelry with lots of leech and a Raven Frost (absolutely
necessary). Killing the clone was just a matter of doing the little
triangle WW pattern on him; it was extremely quick and easy.

> The only uber minions I see listed as physical immune are swarms for
> Duriel, Vampires for uber tristram, and wraiths, which I did not see in
> tristram. (Gloams, named as willowisps, are listed as 90% phys res and
> not in uber-tris)

There are wraiths in Tristram. They're, IMHO, the biggest problem
there because of the mana drain. I'm guessing they'd quickly ruin the
attempt when using a mana-intensive skill like WW, so killing the uber
that spawns them ought to be a priority. After that, they can be lured
away to be separated from the pack and Berserked to death. I'm
guessing it all depends on whether the barb can get to that point.

The vampires can be ignored.

 

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In article <slrn4dj1oag.bo89.raipala@rock.it.helsinki.fi>,
Jaakko Raipala <raipala@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote:

[snippage]

>I haven't tried an IK barb in Tristram, but last time I built one, he
>was the best Diablo Clone killer I then had. I don't remember the
>other equipment he had, but it was Shaels in the maul (no question
>about that, don't put anything else in there), topazes in the armor

Actually, with 2 x 15IAS jewel you also reach the Ogre Mauls next IAS
breakpoint. So while 2 x Shael is the cheap option to get there, the
expensive one would be 2 x 15IAS/40ED, or 2 x 15IAS/+maxdam/mindam
jewels... Or did I look wrong when fiddling with an IAS calculator?

>and hat (something else would be better for Tristram, obviously) and
>some jewelry with lots of leech and a Raven Frost (absolutely
>necessary). Killing the clone was just a matter of doing the little
>triangle WW pattern on him; it was extremely quick and easy.

Depending on your level in Natural Resists, perhaps Ums would be better,
especially when you want to keep good resists vs Uber-Mephistos Conviction
aura.

If you have a better alternative for the Ravenfrost and are very rich and
very serious about 'gearing up' an IK Barb to take on the Ubers, a single
Cham in the helm/armor would allow that.

But I'm not sure it would outdo a Smite or Zealot paladin equipped with
the same value of items. And perhaps a Barb with a very expensive
unique/runeworded set of gear would also be (much) better.

It would be a fun experiment, perhaps people will be doing this kind of
stuff later on this ladder, when they have the runes/equipment to burn on
these kind of experiments...

Regards,

Patrick.