MoBo upgrade

[Mitch007]

have a small budget for upgrade, approx $100 and am thinking motherboard, I here IS7 is a great option, is this still the case or would anyone advise an alternative Mobo, or even piece of hardware to give me more flexability to get more performance from system.

MIS645Ultra/P42.4@2.8Gig/2*Corsair 256MBit CL2-2-2-7XMSLLPT PC3200 DDR RAM/450W Enermax PSU/1*40Gig 7200rpm Wes-Dig/1*20Gig 7200 Hitachi Disk/GeF4 Ti4200 XFX Turbo 670/250 Ram/Core MHz.

 

[Mitch007]

looking at recent posts, IS7 still looks to be the johnny...

MIS645Ultra/P42.4@2.8Gig/2*Corsair 256MBit CL2-2-2-7XMSLLPT PC3200 DDR RAM/450W Enermax PSU/1*40Gig 7200rpm Wes-Dig/1*20Gig 7200 Hitachi Disk/GeF4 Ti4200 XFX Turbo 670/250 Ram/Core MHz.

 

[Mitch007]

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=61864

please confirm that this is that very board i should get...

MIS645Ultra/P42.4@2.8Gig/2*Corsair 256MBit CL2-2-2-7XMSLLPT PC3200 DDR RAM/450W Enermax PSU/1*40Gig 7200rpm Wes-Dig/1*20Gig 7200 Hitachi Disk/GeF4 Ti4200 XFX Turbo 670/250 Ram/Core MHz.

 

[RichPLS]

How much speed increase do you expect with just a mobo upgd?
You've got a good o/c'g board, what is the prblm?

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[RichPLS]

How much speed increase do you expect with just a mobo upgd?
You've got a good o/c'g board, what is the prblm?

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[Mitch007]

I want to lock my AGP and PCI, and get the benefit of my 3200 memory, which is currently running a 312 ish Mhz, since I had to pare back the mem CPU ratio to get CPU to overclock. Board olso provides further relativly cheap ongoing (4-6 monthly) upgrades as cash becomes available.

With the meme spped I have in mind, will I see much performance improvement or abtain an even higher O/C if I lock AGP and PCI?

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[o1die]

If you don't change your cpu, the mobo upgrade isn't worth it. By the time you want to upgrade your cpu, the northwoods will be even more scarce, and pricier. I would save the money for a major upgrade later, whether you go with Intel or Amd. I have the same cpu, the 2.4b, and noticed no major change in the overclock by changing to an 865pe board. But I got my new board free from msi, due to constant problems with older replacement boards.

 

[Crashman]

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Yes, that's the board. You won't get dual channel if you run your memory asynchronously, so'd I'd make sure you have a pair of memory and run it synchronously. In fact, that's about the only way a board upgrade will give you a performance increase.

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[Mitch007]

As you see, I have a matched pair of Corsair XMS 3200LLPT's, is syncronous operation possible with these.

The Mobo does offer futur pentium upgrades, without immediatly lashing out a hod of cash...

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[Mitch007]

By syncronus, do you mean dual Channel?

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[Crashman]

Your memory looks like a matched pair. Synchronous means the same speed as the CPU bus. Dual Channel means two 64-bit modules paired for 128-bit tranfers. And finally, dual channel is enabled by using a matched pair in the correct slots (slots 1 and 3 for a single pair) at a synchronous rate.

And the reason dual-channel helps is because it doubles your bandwidth. The P4 CPU has a Quad Data Rate bus, that's 2x as fast as the Double Data Rate RAM, hence dual channel is used to equalize the bandwidth.

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[Mitch007]

Thanks, So with the IS7, P4 2.4 400Mhz, and 3200 matched pair, will i be able to run syncronous, but not dual channel....sorry to be so dim!

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[Crashman]

lol WRONG! You can run dual channel.

All you need to run dual channel is a matched pair in the proper slots running synchronously!

So if you had, say, a CPU at 400 bus and a pair PC1600 running synchronously, you'd be able to run dual channel. And if you had a CPU at 533 bus and a pair of PC2100 running synchronously, you'd be able to run dual channel. And if you had a CPU at 800 bus and a pair of PC3200 running synchronously, you'd be able to run dual channel.

Now here's the fun part: If you had a pair of PC2700 running stock speed and a 533 bus CPU overclocked to run 166MHz bus, you'd be able to run synchonously and dual channel. But wait, there's more!

Say you had a REALLY oddball overclock like 184MHz bus clock. You could actually underclock the PC3200 to 184 (DDR 368) to run it synchronously, ENABLING dual channel with a matched pair!

Take your 2.4@2.8 for example. Assuming it's a 2.4B (originally 533 bus), that's a bus clock rate of 133, overclocked to 156MHz FSB, your 200MHz rated RAM (DDR400) can easily be clocked down to 156MHz and run in dual channel mode.

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[Crashman]

Oh, the question was if you'll be able to run NOT dual channel? Of course! Put the RAM in Slots 1 and 2 or 3 and 4 and you'll be able to get a synchronous rate (by setting it 1:1 in BIOS) without dual channel. But since dual channel is such a great idea, I'd go ahead and put them in slots 1 and 3.

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