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June 21, 2010 1:52:02 AM

In dal I get around 20-30 FPS with one client, when two are open, drops in the single digit range. In TF2 my FPS is really shaky, I get anywhere 30-40 FPS in actual combat, which is annoying. Im looking to get into the 70FPS or higher range for flawless gaming. Both of these games from what I have heard are CPU dependent. I have a Core2Quad Q6600 2.4GHz OCed to 3.5 and do not see a difference whatsoever, with 4gigs of ram and a Nividia geforce 9800 GT 1 Gig DDR2. Any ideas?

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June 21, 2010 1:42:47 PM

what is your monitor resolution and what level of settings do you play TF2 at? Do you have AA on? I have a Q6600 @ 3.0 GHz and an ATI 4850 which is broadly equivalent to your setup but I think I get better FPS than you. I'll check tonight but IIRC I'm up at ~80 fps but I haven't played for 6months or so so an't quite recall.
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June 21, 2010 7:36:32 PM

Thanks alot for the help, Im playing at 1680x1050 I believe. I'm about to switch the Core 2 quad with a Core 2 Duo E7400 to see if I get a decrease or increase (probably a decrease). In WoW with the Processor OCed to 3.5 I get around 30 FPS in crowded areas, Im aiming for at least 60FPS. So if anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated.
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June 22, 2010 7:58:42 PM

OK so running at 1920x1080 high settings but no AA I get min/max/avg of 41/241/90 fps.
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June 22, 2010 8:11:58 PM

Another Q6600 here at 3.2 but with a 4870. never had frames drop noticably. Will have a quick game now and see what i can report.
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June 22, 2010 8:26:40 PM

didn't see it drop below 59. don't think it'll be your CPU.
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June 22, 2010 9:08:50 PM

Ok thanks alot! Guess ill buy another GT and see how well SLI is.
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June 22, 2010 10:12:14 PM

Im pretty sure SLI isnt supported in WoW. I could be wrong. By all means you should do better in WoW. Try turning shadows down while leaving the rest on high.

Hardware wise you should get 40-60 in Dal.

I have a core i3 4.2 with a 4870 and avg 60 in Dal, and 120 outside on epic flyer.

Since its way worse with 2 clients, Id say the issue lies with slow hard drive or slow internet.
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June 23, 2010 12:54:53 AM

Well I have a barracuda 500gb 7200 RPM 16MB Cache HD. I'm not sure if thats fast or not, correct me if im wrong.
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June 23, 2010 1:14:48 AM

Would I be able to make use of RAID? I have 3 HDs 2 of which are the same (the 500GB model) and A RAID compatible Mobo. I don't really know what RAID does, but I have heard it does increase performance.
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June 23, 2010 1:28:04 AM

I wouldnt take much notice of performance inside Dalaran on WoW. Dropping a few frames here isnt a big deal for you. Where you need to be concentrating on is what ever you play.
I have a fairly similar setup, I have an E7200 Dual Core with a 9800GT and 4Gigs of RAM. I run WoW at "Ultra" settings with No Anti-Aliasing. 1680x1050 Windowed but Maximised and with another 1400x900 monitor. I don't have any major issues with WoW, Dalaran as always is crap. However in WoW it is often the network that can hold the game back and cause a drop in FPS. If your struggling in 25 mans with FPS or Network latency this could be a sign you are running too many communicative addons. For whatever reason Addons can and frequently will nuke you off the game.
If you could post your addon list for WoW I may be able to help identify and potetntial issues with them. Also, make sure you are running up to date versions, consider getting the Curse Client which will make it much easier to keep addons up to date.
On that note, make all your drivers and DirectX are up to date too.

As for RAID. It has many uses, Mostly designed around protecting Data from hardware failures but it can be used to increase performance too. It basically involves splitting the data across multiple drives in order to increase read and write performance by, basically doing it simultaniously. The Wikipedia article on RAID is excellect. "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID"
Its unlikely that your HDD is bottlenecking your peroformance in games however, Upgrading it will likely just make load times shorter as you have a decent ammount of RAM.

I've not played Team Fortress 2 in ages, Shame really because that was a good game back when I did. Custom maps can sometimes be poorely designed and give you poor performance. Try playing with the graphics settings, maybe finding some tweaks online (Tweakguides did a TF2 guide I think), in order to get the performance your looking for.
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June 23, 2010 2:57:58 AM

Thanks for the response, I currently tried with no addons but no FPS increase. I get pretty poor FPS in other areas too, such as the outlands, Terrokar, Nagrand (some areas), and alot of areas in Northrend. Sometimes the FPS is good sometimes its bad, its very inconsistent, sometimes ill get 100FPS facing the left side of the map, and 40FPS facing the opposite side, not moving at all. I'm going to raid my HDDs and see how that works, probably won't increase much but will help single out the issue.
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June 23, 2010 2:52:18 PM

Strange how WoW wasnt performing well with no addons. I would consider your computer more than adequate for 25 man raiding. Let alone being in places like Outland which are largely empty.
Make sure your not forcing any Anti-Aliasing in the drivers for your Nvidia card. Combine AA with those shadows that WoW does and your FPS will take one for the team.
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June 23, 2010 10:50:15 PM

Yeah I checked that, it has been off. I do have a Core 2 DUO 7400 2.8GHz CPU, would that work better for gaming opposed to the Q6600? I was going to check it out to see if I get any performance boost.
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June 24, 2010 10:22:31 AM

No, the Q6600 is a great gaming chip IMHO, especially if you have it clocked at 3.5 and I wouldn't really advise changing that just yet - just look at the CPU hierarchy charts that Toms has hidden away somewhere

I'm not sure RAIDing your drives will help any but will probably give you better load times and will also be an interesting learning/academic exercide in system buid and config.

The 9800 GT is getting older by current standards but is no slouch by any means. Are you using anti-aliasing in TF2 if so try with it off?

TF2 frame rate does seem to fluctuate quite a lot from min to max. Personally I'm happy with the 90 avg and 40 min that I get. IMHO (again) as long as your min doesn't fall below 25 and your average sits at 60+ then you're good. Maybe try turning down the settings and see where you get that level of performance.

Can't help much with WoW as I've never played it, but it sounds like you're getting less performance than expected. Maybe try the usual things like check you have latest drivers for everything, defragged hard disks. You gould try something like Game Booster (a free download - just google it) which disables services not needed for gaming to get you some more free system resources?
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June 24, 2010 2:19:07 PM

What about temps on your video card? Have you tried checking this with EVGA precision application and doing some monitoring while you are playing? I had an older 9800GT 512MB low profile card from EVGA in my fiances PC that didn't perform all that well at the same resolution. I had to run her draw distance and ground clutter/shadows on low to receive better FPS even in zones outside of Dalaran.

I have a Core2Duo E6850 and a 8800GTS 640 and play at the same resolution as you. Depending on the zone and what my level of distance is will cause my FPS to vary a lot. Dalaran I range from 22fps to 30fps.
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June 27, 2010 11:53:04 PM

Thanks for the help, the temps are idle at 45C and while playing gets to 65 or so. I just installed the RAID array and ive noticed that I have been having some latency issues. Not sure if it network related but it started to occur as soon as I installed it. my ping in various games fluctuates from anywhere to 100Ms to 900Ms. Its really annoying and hard to play like that. just want to know if that could be related to the RAID
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June 28, 2010 1:56:16 AM

I believe ping is not related to your hard drives, but to your provider/router.
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June 28, 2010 3:12:44 AM

9800GT isnt going to shade TF2 fast enough at that resolution.

Wow isn't just CPU based but CLOCK based. A P4 @ 4.0ghz will do better than an i7 @ 3.0ghz.
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June 28, 2010 2:10:27 PM

To be honest though your FPS in WoW seems pretty decent. You are running High settings on everything with 1680x1050 with no anti-aliasing right? As already said by someone else Dalaran will never be great in terms of FPS. 10 man or 25 raids should be ok though.

In any zone/raid/or city has your FPS ever been below 10 or 15 fps? Reading some posts after the latest patch some have stated it introduced some memory leak...but that hasn't been proven yet.

Temps are good. I would suggest moving your WTF and cache folders in the World Of Warcraft directory to your desktop for the moment and also move your addons folder there as well. When you reopen the game it will generate new WTF/cache folders. Open and test with different ground clutter/distance settings for video. **If you have anti-virus set application settings to exclude any gaming directorys from scanning.

I haven't played TF2 lately but as I remember my FPS was never so bad that I could not play. I would guess between 30 - 60fps. I'll have to check my settings.

Also as Cl4d has stated. Your latency may be spiking. If your provider is anything like Time Warner Cable they may have over sold the node your connection hangs off of and you are probably receiving packet loss and high pings due to that. That is something to contact your ISP about though. You can test by pinging to something on the Internet from a command prompt - (ping -t 4.2.2.2) and let it run see if you have spikey ping times or any time outs for that matter.
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June 29, 2010 3:25:46 AM

I fixed the issue with the RAID just had to install drivers and other stuff. I just SLIed my GPU with 2 geforce 9800GTs and didnt get any FPS boost in tf2 ,and actually, my WoW FPS dropped.

I'm running out of ideas why I would be lagging. The only thing I havent tested out is my CPU and from what I'm told, it is more than enough for wow. I'm starting to think it might be the Mobo or the operating system. Any thoughts?

I have a ASUS P5n-D btw
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June 29, 2010 2:13:49 PM

I doubt it is your CPU giving you problems. A Q6600 is plenty for WoW. Have you tried any of the suggestions from my post pertaining to WoW?
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June 29, 2010 7:00:41 PM

Yeah I have, but WoW isnt the only game Im getting bad FPS in. I also average around30FPS in AoC in medium GFX and around 45FPS with TF2. Although these arent bad frame rates, Im seeing no increase from SLI and an actual decrease from a couple months back.

With the Q6600, I ran a 3dmark test, and when it got to the CPU portion, the FPS literally was 1, while the GPU tests all averaged around 30. will test e7400 soon

I just swapped my Q6600 with the E7400 Core 2 Duo, and I saw a significant decrease in FPS for TF2, around 20 or so, and a lot of stutters. Didn't see an FPS decrease or increase in AoC.

Also CPU usage is around 30Average with only Chrome browser open.

I'd also like to note that my GPU are idleing at 70 and 60 Idle with 30% fan speed. They average at 50 when they aren't in SLI.

Running out of ideas, only things I haven't test are the PSU(650 Watt), the Crucial Ram(4g), and the MOBO
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June 29, 2010 7:11:43 PM

Actually no noticeable decrease in TF2 concerning FPS, just alot of stuttering. Also 0-1 FPS on the E7400 during the CPU test in 3dmark06
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June 29, 2010 7:59:08 PM

What are your CPU temps looking like when playing a game? Have you gone through and done the usual inside the case as far as cleaning out any dust and the CPU heatsink...made sure the heatsink on the CPU is secure and locked in place? Is the heatsink the stock intel cooler?
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June 29, 2010 8:01:13 PM

I have a Freezer Pro Cooler or something along those lines. my CPU idles in the low 30s at loads at most low 50s. I reapplied Arctic silver on the CPU, case is clean.
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June 29, 2010 8:13:22 PM

If your seeing stuttering in games its either related to packet loss to the game servers or high temps on cpu/graphics. CPU and graphics all seem to check out I would suggest performing some tests out to the internet and see if you are still experiencing problems. What type of Internet Service do you have? Are you using wireless or a wired connection?

Try performing an extended ping test out to the Internet. Open command prompt and type 'ping 4.2.2.2 -t' let it run for a bit see if you have any spikey time or receive a response like 'request timed out'.
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June 29, 2010 8:37:05 PM

my ISP is Opt Online. I get around 30ms 8megs down 3up on speedtest.net . My latency is fine ingame, around 40MS. I did the test and I got anything from 10MS-100MS, with 1 timeout, also had Utorrent in the background so that probably affect lat a little.
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June 29, 2010 9:02:16 PM

I would guess that your stuttering may have something to do with your ISP (or router). Is your PC connected via hardwire or wireless? Test latency when directly connected to the modem. You shouldn't see any packet loss unless you are really abusing your Internet connection. Can you perform the same test without Utorrent running.

If you haven't already contact Opt Online and have them check for noise on your cable line.
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June 29, 2010 9:27:53 PM

I had no issues with stuttering with my Q6600 so I doubt its my ISP, and yes its connected directly into the modem. I contacted Opt online about a month ago concerning an issue with connection issues concerning wireless, they checked the lines and everything and I resolved it by hardwiring the connection.

I called up Asus concerning the MOBO and he said it should be working fine with 64bit windows 7, and suggested that I update the firmware on the GPU's. I looked on EVGAs site for firmwares on the 9800Gt but found nothing.
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June 29, 2010 9:33:27 PM

Hmmm, since you have 2 video cards operating in SLI. Try each card individually in each of your PCIE slots to see if that yields any difference.

You could try performing a clean install of the video drivers as well via safe mode and using driver sweeper to clear out old driver files. Then installing the lastest drivers from EVGAs site.
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June 29, 2010 9:44:05 PM

Yeah i've tried both seperately, they yield the same FPS. I also tried the driver sweeper yesterday, deleted the display drivers. Didn't do anything.
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June 29, 2010 10:36:55 PM

11219 3DMark06 basic , is my score with the E7400 which seems rather low.
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June 29, 2010 11:03:30 PM

10204 is my score with SLI disabled, with the E7400. I talked to ASUS support and the guy said that 600watts was not enough for my system and recommended that I get a 900 WATT and would see a performance increase. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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June 30, 2010 12:25:25 AM

10467 3DMark with SLI disabled with the Q6600. I'd edit my posts and this stuff in, but doesn't allow me .
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June 30, 2010 1:51:01 PM

Unfortunately fps problems can be caused by a lot of factors, especially when it comes to online gaming you can be hindered by internet performance (which is why I had asked you to check packet loss/latency also you stated in a much earlier post you would see spikes of latency up to 900ms). Another way to test this would be singleplayer vs multiplayer and compare FPS.

-Other important factors would be disabling antivirus software or excluding your gaming folders from active scans - I believe you did this already
-Verifying drivers are up to date -done
-Verifying no overheating on GPU or CPU - done (utilizing core temp for CPU and EVGA precision for GPU)
-Disable all other un-needed programs while testing/gaming. - no Utorrent, AV, IE etc...
-Check for sufficient free memory -
-Check for sufficient power from the power supply.


Can you post a list of all PC components? 600 should be sufficient for a single card but SLI may be hindered depending on your power supply specs. Do you have a spare supply that you can install to test with or if possible test the output voltage from your current power supply. Not knowing how old the supply is it may not be outputting the same level of power that it used to.

For testing I would test with single card to ease troubleshooting and leave SLI out of the equation until we isolate problems with the single card.
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June 30, 2010 8:14:10 PM

Yeah if I could get a common bench mark for a single 9800 GT with a Q6600, I could try with a 300WATT PSU ( Don't think its a good enough PSU for SLI). It is a stock PSU, and its pretty bad, but I think it still functions.

My Specs are

MOBO: P5N-D ASUS MOBO
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
PSU: OCZ Gamexstream 600WATT
Soundcard: Audigy SE Creative
GPU: 2 Geforce 9800 GT 1G DDR3 EVGA
CPU: Core 2 Quad Q6600
Monitor: 1680x1050 ViewSonic
Keyboard: G15 Logitech
Mouse: Logitech Gaming Mouse

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June 30, 2010 9:41:09 PM

With SLI enabled and both cards in my computer just went blank, and wouldn't get past the windows 7 Logo unless I took the second GPU out. Think it might be the PSU.

I have a 300WATT PSU, I could use dunno if its enough though.
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June 30, 2010 10:44:20 PM

Your computer would not boot with the ocz psu? Can you boot with one 9800 installed? The 300watt may not be enough for even 1 9800.
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June 30, 2010 11:34:44 PM

Yeah, with the OCZ didn't boot with both cards in, and eventually crashed with 1 in. Not sure if that has something to do with software I installed 20mins prior, but I doubt it. I installed the 300Watt and it runs, no crashes but the 12v rail only have 15amps so I doubt i'd get any improvement. 10009 is my 3dmark score with the new PSU. Going to try and install windows XP or vista and see if theres an improvement
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June 30, 2010 11:51:05 PM

I would say its time to look in to a new PSU to replace the OCZ, check warranty otherwise time for a new one :) .

Quick Edit *** I think its 3 year manufacturer warrantly on all OCZ power supplies.
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July 2, 2010 11:54:30 AM

publicenemy219 said:
Question with rails? if I have 4 12v rails 15amps each would that equal that of one 12v rail with 60amps?

Im thinking of buying this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Suggestions are appreciated. And thanks for the help thus far


Not necessarily. Often a PSU will say each rail can give up to 15A, but it won't be able to do that on all rails concurrently.

Here's an example (using your chosen PSU)
3.3V 24A 3.3W*24A=79.2W
+5V 30A =150W
+12V1 20A =240W
+12V2 20A =240W
+12V3 20A =240W
+12V4 35A =420W
+12V5 35A =420W
+12V6 20A =240W
-12V negligable
+5VSB negligable

Each rail added up comes to around 2030W total on a claimed 1000W PSU, so you can't get even close to maxing out every rail.
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July 2, 2010 11:55:32 AM

Please don't buy that PSU.
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July 2, 2010 1:10:58 PM

I agree, I would look at purchasing a nice 750w or 850w from Silverstone, Corsair, or Antec. I'm a big fan of Mushkin power supplies but they are much more expensive.
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July 2, 2010 7:28:41 PM

much better, although I've not seen any "proper" reviews yet...
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July 3, 2010 6:11:13 PM

Well installing a new PSU didn't help with FPS issues and didnt improve SLI at all.
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July 6, 2010 5:13:11 PM

This issue you are having is very confusing. Either you still have some software related issue with drivers or some other software. I would suggest grabbing the latest nvidia drivers following this link: Removing old drivers, to remove all traces of your current video drivers.
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