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September 14, 2010 10:10:28 AM

Hey fellow Gamers,

Im not a pro nor do i suck, We play via lan mostly and our favourite style of game play is knifing, For some reason i can never win against my one brother,lol,worst of all is he will get 100 kills and me in the 70's for example he is so fast, Is it all about timing,reaction,age?lol

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September 14, 2010 12:38:34 PM

Ok maybe my english is bad, in other words does it come naturally or do you play a specific way to become pro,lol
September 14, 2010 3:05:16 PM

He hacks!
Walls, screening, aimbots, speed, no recoil, and toggles so you can't tell.

Honestly, it's all about the reaction time and what kind of headphones you use, hopefully you guys use headphones. You can hear footsteps from a distance with a good pair of headphones.
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September 15, 2010 5:33:45 AM

Yeah i mean im not far behind in score, Last night i finished him just by one over the actual kill score.Im not bad at the game in fact we quite good the thing is he has the P90 which i havn't unlocked yet so you can imagine, all that is not the problem its knifing thats getting to me everytime he kills me no matter if i move out the way or just in front of him, but if do the same no chance,lol,but even in a knife round im not to far behind in score
September 15, 2010 5:36:06 AM

dalta centauri said:
He hacks!
Walls, screening, aimbots, speed, no recoil, and toggles so you can't tell.

Honestly, it's all about the reaction time and what kind of headphones you use, hopefully you guys use headphones. You can hear footsteps from a distance with a good pair of headphones.


He has normal head phones, i got the headphones with the mic, gaming keyboard mouse etc his stuff is pretty much standard, So its all about reaction which means i should stick to stratergy as no matter how hard i try he will just keep winning
September 15, 2010 9:07:02 AM

Well did some research on choosing the right weapon and perks for the right maps plus ways in which i can improve my FPS so hopefully that will help, Knifing still something il have to master
September 15, 2010 10:05:49 AM

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For fast reaction u need constant 60plus framerate.


Ok how would i adjust my settings to keep my framerates at 60?
September 15, 2010 12:21:37 PM

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What ur system spec?


Ok well its not DDR3 or core i7 but still decent i think,lol

Intel Core2quad : Q8400 2.66 Ghz
4 GB's of DDR2 800 Mhz Ram
2 TB Hard Drives
Raidmax Skyline case
Raidmax 730 W modular PSU
Using the X4500 Onboard graphics right now but we play on low graphics anyway plus i don lag during lan play naturally my brother has the 9600 so his FPS is higher

Going to get the GTS 250 Next weekend once i get paid

But what can i do for temporary
September 15, 2010 1:59:13 PM

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Nothing you need a gpu mate.Rest of your system is fine.


Sweet dude, So you rate my rig is good to go, Yeah that i do know the graphics card will be in that box next weekend and by god i hope it works, Il keep this thread open for now in case i need any other help.
September 15, 2010 4:15:25 PM

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Why not buy 5770. I believe both are priced similarly.

Pretty much, there are some that are 10-20$ cheaper. Overall the 5770 wins with performance though.
Unless he's one of those people that go, "I've only ever used NVidia for my gpu."
September 16, 2010 4:22:42 AM

Jonathern said:
But what can i do for temporary

Shoot him in the face with a 'nade launcher?
September 16, 2010 5:43:46 AM

Well i noticed from the one store i normaly buy my computer hardware from, is now selling the GTS 450.As i live in south africa the GTS 250 cards range from R1299 - R1599 the GTS 450 is going now for R1740 which to me seems more fesible, Divide those prices by 8 and you will know how much it would be in dollars.

Online i know i can play like a monster but against him its like im a noob,lol, Is there anything he could of added because some how his knife can pull out faster than mine and there is no ways he can get double the score

September 16, 2010 5:53:52 AM

Jonathern said:
Well i noticed from the one store i normaly buy my computer hardware from, is now selling the GTS 450.As i live in south africa the GTS 250 cards range from R1299 - R1599 the GTS 450 is going now for R1740 which to me seems more fesible, Divide those prices by 8 and you will know how much it would be in dollars.

Online i know i can play like a monster but against him its like im a noob,lol, Is there anything he could of added because some how his knife can pull out faster than mine and there is no ways he can get double the score

:o  They're starting at the equivalent of 1,097.87 ZAR here in the UK, sucks to be you dude.
September 16, 2010 7:00:50 AM

Which button do you use to knife. I changed to mouse button 4 and found a bit quicker than reaching for V ?
September 16, 2010 9:48:48 AM

fergie said:
Which button do you use to knife. I changed to mouse button 4 and found a bit quicker than reaching for V ?


Well im using the sidewinder x4 keyboard and x3 mouse hoping that would help as it is a gaming keyboard ha ha ha, I either used mouse button 4 or 5 but the scroll button seems to be more comfortable but the problem is he is able to knife me before i get a chance its like he is using a mod that pulls your knife out fast like that perk sledge of hand,lol
September 16, 2010 9:52:13 AM

Mousemonkey said:
:o  They're starting at the equivalent of 1,097.87 ZAR here in the UK, sucks to be you dude.


Its over priced like crazy here look for a site through google www.zapsonline.co.za and see what they have.

The GTS450 i can cope with as far as pricing is concerned but il have to wait till the end of october to buy it for now il just get a 2 TB external hardrive as i was originally going to do

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September 18, 2010 10:48:23 PM

just do the thing taht will piss him off, the millisecond you see him go prone and shoot him in the face with a mp5, it is my fav gun in the game, i am level 55 and I have all gold weps and it is still the gun i use, just try to go prone as much as you can, and dont rush at him if you know where he is, take the long way so you can get behind him. that is about it :) 
September 20, 2010 5:38:38 AM

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just do the thing taht will piss him off, the millisecond you see him go prone and shoot him in the face with a mp5, it is my fav gun in the game, i am level 55 and I have all gold weps and it is still the gun i use, just try to go prone as much as you can, and dont rush at him if you know where he is, take the long way so you can get behind him. that is about it :) 


Yeah the thing i must learn to do is get used to the maps and routes they all take, Just annoys me how he gets all those kills and no matter how hard i try im dead before i look. This weekend that just past we played on saturday and out of pure fluke i got 99 kills he got 100 must be making progress hey?, i use the MP5 plus AK74-u but they hate it when i use double tap or stopping power, thing is i have not yet unlocked the P90 so needed to counter that gun by doing so but then my brothers feel its cheating? How is this cheating?
October 6, 2010 12:15:58 PM

Well some news from the front i bought the new GTS 450 1GB graphics card set my FPS to 125 and guess what iv been winning since then,lol,Clearly framrates make a huge difference
October 6, 2010 1:15:34 PM

Games like BFBC2 tend to be like that, at 30fps it feels like it's stutering and causing issues, but at 50fps it feels smooth and easy to run around and quickly spot someone. Now you need an incredibly large resolution so you can spot him popping up behind something from far away ;D
October 6, 2010 1:33:53 PM

Well my max resolution is 1600 x 900 and i run circles around them to the point where now they don't want to play as per my framerates being their issue,lol, I said but i thought it was all about reaction,lol
October 6, 2010 2:47:49 PM

Jonathern said:
Well my max resolution is 1600 x 900 and i run circles around them to the point where now they don't want to play as per my framerates being their issue,lol, I said but i thought it was all about reaction,lol

It is reaction too, I mean if you were shooting at the same time someone else shoots at you, and you were shooting at his legs and he was shooting at your head you would die.
Honestly I don't play MW2, so I don't know if it's one of those games that ignore body points, or one of those games that end up causing you to freeze as you get shot at.
Cstrike sucked because of that, you get shot at and you fall into the bullets D:
October 6, 2010 7:38:43 PM

1: Anyone who is serious at gaming does so at low settings. Period. I still see some CS:S players using 1024x768, especially if they happen to have >120Hz CRT screens...If FPS is an issue, reduce settings.

2: CoD, like its spiritual predicessor CS:S, favors those with the fastest reactions and the best aim for headshots. No amount of equipment or training can offset that. I would know; my reaction speed has dropped over the years, and I'm below average in both CoD and CS:S now...[hence why I favor the more teamwork oriented Battlefield series, as tactics can often beat superior players, but I digress].

3: I always recommend the G15 to other gamers; the ability to tilt the middlemouse left and right offers VERY quick access buttons for the user. Immediatly avaliable are:
1: Left Mouse
2: Right Mouse
3: Middle Mouse
4: Side Button 1
5: Side Button 2
6: Mouse Wheel Up
7: Mouse Wheel Down
8: Middle Mouse Left
9: Middle Mouse Right

Plus two more buttons on the mouse. As someone who grew up with DOOM and never graduated to quake (and this, no WSAD skills; I still use the directional arrows), I find the G15 a godsend. A mouse (or any other gamepad) with lots of buttons instantly avaliable is huge.

4: Don't neglect sound. If you can't hear an enemy walking behind you at 10 paces, upgrade your sound setup. Using both a ASUS D2 and my G35 (depending on the game), its a HUGE advantage to hear that guy sneaking up on you, going for the knife kill...
October 8, 2010 6:23:00 AM

dalta centauri said:
It is reaction too, I mean if you were shooting at the same time someone else shoots at you, and you were shooting at his legs and he was shooting at your head you would die.
Honestly I don't play MW2, so I don't know if it's one of those games that ignore body points, or one of those games that end up causing you to freeze as you get shot at.
Cstrike sucked because of that, you get shot at and you fall into the bullets D:


Yeah what i meant was with that statement is now im accused of winning due to framerates before when i was losing it was all about reaction, I do know its the both of them but we adapt right?With regards to body points you don't get frozen when shot you literally can run away to heal which is automatic, We only play MW1 not the second try it out things have changed since counter strike you won't be disappointed.
October 8, 2010 6:30:15 AM

gamerk316 said:
1: Anyone who is serious at gaming does so at low settings. Period. I still see some CS:S players using 1024x768, especially if they happen to have >120Hz CRT screens...If FPS is an issue, reduce settings.

2: CoD, like its spiritual predicessor CS:S, favors those with the fastest reactions and the best aim for headshots. No amount of equipment or training can offset that. I would know; my reaction speed has dropped over the years, and I'm below average in both CoD and CS:S now...[hence why I favor the more teamwork oriented Battlefield series, as tactics can often beat superior players, but I digress].

3: I always recommend the G15 to other gamers; the ability to tilt the middlemouse left and right offers VERY quick access buttons for the user. Immediatly avaliable are:
1: Left Mouse
2: Right Mouse
3: Middle Mouse
4: Side Button 1
5: Side Button 2
6: Mouse Wheel Up
7: Mouse Wheel Down
8: Middle Mouse Left
9: Middle Mouse Right

Plus two more buttons on the mouse. As someone who grew up with DOOM and never graduated to quake (and this, no WSAD skills; I still use the directional arrows), I find the G15 a godsend. A mouse (or any other gamepad) with lots of buttons instantly avaliable is huge.

4: Don't neglect sound. If you can't hear an enemy walking behind you at 10 paces, upgrade your sound setup. Using both a ASUS D2 and my G35 (depending on the game), its a HUGE advantage to hear that guy sneaking up on you, going for the knife kill...


I can play at low settings etc. but we set our framerates with our console and judge it according to the weakest graphics card so that its optimal for all, which kicks out the debate about FPS, even on high the game runs the same once we have set our FPS, the thing is its how your graphics card performs as mine is GDDR5 theirs is only GDDR2 a big difference wouldn't you say?, keyboard and mouse set up is basically the same as any other first person setup its just you get the knife which by defaul is keystroke V, I set it to my scroll button so its eaier to react as i to don't have high paced reaction times.
October 13, 2010 2:13:55 AM

Hello,
I just though I'd put in my two cents:
I've noticed that when you have knife bound to your mouse or the v button, it takes longer to hit it and more concentration. Instead try binding it to E. I used to suck at knives but now I usually come out on top depending on the number of people/map (especially bog >:p ).

Hope this helps!

October 13, 2010 5:32:43 AM

PudgyChicken said:
Hello,
I just though I'd put in my two cents:
I've noticed that when you have knife bound to your mouse or the v button, it takes longer to hit it and more concentration. Instead try binding it to E. I used to suck at knives but now I usually come out on top depending on the number of people/map (especially bog >:p ).

Hope this helps!

I tried it out brfore just wasn't comfortable with the button but clicking my scroll mouse while running and having the quick turn feature that my mouse offers packs the punch and i have since earlier in the thread been winning.Maybe i should try play a bit longer using E who knows it might just grow on me,lol
October 13, 2010 12:27:30 PM

Yea, you know...turn off vertical sync and put the visual settings and resolution to the minimum to experiance, I don't know exactly.
Being able to have a large amount of fps is still *** when you can't experiance the visuals such as being able to tell that there's an actual dude coming out of a corner and not a prop.
Would rather play shooters at 30fps with high settings at 1680x1050/1920x1080 then 500+fps at 800x480/1024x600
October 13, 2010 12:37:14 PM

Well i play at 1600x900 resolution and 125 FPS Maximum detail but to be fair according to the oth computers capabilities i st my FPS to 70 any lower and it would be pointless for me to play
October 14, 2010 12:20:36 PM

I now point out that for 99% of all games, unless you happen to have a moniter capable of displaying more then 60 FPS, that extra frames are a placebo effect. [I DO note that COD4 is in that 1%; a higher FPS count actually effects the physics to some degree...]

I say this while I use my old 240Hz CRT moniter when gaming competitivly.
October 14, 2010 2:45:16 PM

gamerk316 said:
I now point out that for 99% of all games, unless you happen to have a moniter capable of displaying more then 60 FPS, that extra frames are a placebo effect. [I DO note that COD4 is in that 1%; a higher FPS count actually effects the physics to some degree...]

I say this while I use my old 240Hz CRT moniter when gaming competitivly.

Doesn't the monitors response time come into effect as well? I recently got a new monitor last month that has a 2ms response time over the normal 5ms ones.
October 14, 2010 5:37:42 PM

Jonathern said:
Well i noticed from the one store i normaly buy my computer hardware from, is now selling the GTS 450.As i live in south africa the GTS 250 cards range from R1299 - R1599 the GTS 450 is going now for R1740 which to me seems more fesible, Divide those prices by 8 and you will know how much it would be in dollars.

Online i know i can play like a monster but against him its like im a noob,lol, Is there anything he could of added because some how his knife can pull out faster than mine and there is no ways he can get double the score



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http://www.comx.co.za/

http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/store/

http://www.sybaritic.co.za/store/index.php

http://www.rebeltech.co.za/

i also sell computers but i have not set up a site yet, which i will be doing in a week or so
October 14, 2010 5:41:52 PM

i think ping makes a big difference with multiplayer games, especially when knifing
October 15, 2010 7:23:04 AM

gordon_81 said:
i think ping makes a big difference with multiplayer games, especially when knifing


Well unfortunately not everyone can afford the luxury of a high performance machine so hence why ping is there example i take my computer and play against someone say with a core i7 naturally cause its the lastest and most advanced system il lag far worse than the i7 just on of those things
October 15, 2010 12:43:28 PM

Jonathern said:
Well unfortunately not everyone can afford the luxury of a high performance machine so hence why ping is there example i take my computer and play against someone say with a core i7 naturally cause its the lastest and most advanced system il lag far worse than the i7 just on of those things

An internet connection has nothing to do with the processor that's being used.
If you had a latency problem then you would be at a disadvantage(unless you're playing games like CSS, where it helps like crazy, lol.)
October 15, 2010 1:40:58 PM

Then i don't know cause my games run fine,lol
May 13, 2011 11:51:57 AM

Well its been awhile seen many new games read all about what will be better even the upcoming BFBC 3 which is planned to bring COD down as the number one game in the world,lol,I still believe its the best game ever COD is not only a game but a social network where we escape from our realities and actually get intouch with the world so good luck DICE
May 13, 2011 1:17:06 PM

first off you want low ping.
you also want to tune your packet data to a multiple of your fps. if you have 60 fps than you need to set your packet data to 60 also. if you have 120fps then again set it to 60 giving a 2-1 ratio you can use any ratio that suites your average fps.

rez doesn't really matter you play at what every gives you the best balance of speed and looks. things have moved on since the counter strike source crap. that game is for low grade pc's. when you have better kit you can up the settings on source and it doesn't effect your over all game. fair enough in 2005 when the net wasnt that fast and pc's weren't that powerful getting 120 fps was the holey grail but things have changed... personally i can hit 333fps on source but i will only ever see 60 again setting my packet data has more of an impact of the game speed and accuracy than higher fps.

keyboards work on the interrupt system not the polling system that a gaming mouse uses. so it may actually be quicker if you use a key. i used to use e or q. but i actually prefer button 4 on the mouse. its not as fast but it does enable more fluid movement. as your not taking your fingers off the movement keys... again matching your polling rate to your packet data and fps will help smooth out the gameplay... and your reaction times...

as you can see some of the elements are interconnected getting 1 wrong will impact the others... my current record is 338 kills for 45 deaths (not played in over a year) on bog thats an 8-1 ratio, it included multiple nade spamming, air strikes and choppers... on a 64 man server...

tuning is everything get it rite and it will enhance your skills, get it wrong and it doesnt matter how good you are your gonna struggle.

May 13, 2011 1:29:01 PM

Well Hexit, Since i bought my G-Card and tweaked my console settings and as most do play cod4 on low settings i edited my fps to 125 and as my mouse supports quick turn, plus reaction timing i now land up in the top 3.

Frames make all the difference
May 13, 2011 2:08:26 PM

Jonathern said:
Well Hexit, Since i bought my G-Card and tweaked my console settings and as most do play cod4 on low settings i edited my fps to 125 and as my mouse supports quick turn, plus reaction timing i now land up in the top 3.

Frames make all the difference

Makes all the difference when your monitor supports it.
Response time and the refresh rate are important, if your monitor says it can support up to 60Hz (Some monitors support 75Hz) then I would suggest you use vsync. Your screen may begin stuttering and tearing if it's constantly using a rate beyond 60-80Hz. Although I've rarely seen this, with games that sometimes hit the 300's fps because of how old they are there seems to be no difference towards the monitor itself.
If you have a 120Hz monitor, then you would be getting a gain with the high end frame rate you're receiving. As well, the dpi in an optical mouse. Went from a trackmouse to an 800dpi mouse, liked the trackball better even in games. Got an optical with 5000dpi a few months ago and it's great with games (Also like when the mouse has weight on it.)
May 13, 2011 3:12:05 PM

1 thing is for sure 5000dpi mice are a waste. i have used many mice. from the standard 125mhz to 1000mhz 400dpi-5400dpi. i found the best settings is around the same size as you monitor. a horizontal setting of 2000 by vertical of 1050-1200
more than that will make aiming difficult, i found that 1.5 inches of desk travel for the mouse gives the most accuracy. more than that and the mouse seems slow. less than that and you loose accuracy. i used to poll at 1000 but now i find 500 is just as good with the lower dpi settings.
basically what im saying is find your own balance max settings on the mouse isn't always the best.

currently i use a lachesis. set at 2000dpi. acceleration off. sensetivity at 10 and 6 for x and y @500 pollrate.
May 16, 2011 5:36:52 AM

Screen: DELL ST2310 23 Inch HDMI.
Mouse: Microsoft Sidewinder X3 2000DPI.

The mouse setting at 2000dpi is just unplayable or maybe im not that good at handling mouse but seems uncontrollable or for those with ultrasonic reaction so mine is SET to 800 dpi which is just right. Montior wise i do notice on some games tearing but thats because the game runs faster than my screen can render it, so if i were to get another screen the Hz would have to be alot higher as vsync performance wise not viable for me,lol
May 16, 2011 6:35:31 AM

if your finding it unplayable then your likley to have acceleration enabled and you like playing with big sweeps. i prefer hi dip and little mouse movements as it is genrally much quicker. but its each to there own. on a 1 on 1 you will find higher dpi settings and less mouse movement will serve you better than low dip and large sweeping of the mouse.

it really does depend on how you set your kit up. if you have it to sensitive you will find it hard to aim. have it not sensitive enough and your gonna move slowly.
me i go for higher dpi with lower sensetivity that way i get a good balance of speed and accuracy. you on the other hand are likley to have more accuracy than me but will be much slower... like i said its a trade off.
May 16, 2011 6:43:32 AM

HEXiT said:
if your finding it unplayable then your likley to have acceleration enabled and you like playing with big sweeps. i prefer hi dip and little mouse movements as it is genrally much quicker. but its each to there own. on a 1 on 1 you will find higher dpi settings and less mouse movement will serve you better than low dip and large sweeping of the mouse.

it really does depend on how you set your kit up. if you have it to sensitive you will find it hard to aim. have it not sensitive enough and your gonna move slowly.
me i go for higher dpi with lower sensetivity that way i get a good balance of speed and accuracy. you on the other hand are likley to have more accuracy than me but will be much slower... like i said its a trade off.


Then how do you set up you mouse then? i can run around like crazy with 2000dpi but then when it comes to reaction especially before the kill no chance.

I need to be able to move quick,act quick with out flipping out as i turn.
May 16, 2011 11:26:51 AM

sounds like you have your mouse speed turned rite up at 2000dpi i have it set to about halfway also turn off acceleration if its on.
@2000 dpi my total movement for the mouse from side to side on the monitor is about an inch top to bothom is about 3/4 of an inch
but to get the best control its the speed of the mouse which is important. 2 high and you will flip from 1 side to the other to quickly, just set the mouse speed to where your comfy.
this is the windows mouse speed btw not the in game 1 on cod 4 if you adjust that you will cripple your accuracy so leave that at default as it takes the windows speed as the baseline and can increase it far beyond what windows can.
May 16, 2011 11:38:48 AM

HEXiT said:
sounds like you have your mouse speed turned rite up at 2000dpi i have it set to about halfway also turn off acceleration if its on.
@2000 dpi my total movement for the mouse from side to side on the monitor is about an inch top to bothom is about 3/4 of an inch
but to get the best control its the speed of the mouse which is important. 2 high and you will flip from 1 side to the other to quickly, just set the mouse speed to where your comfy.
this is the windows mouse speed btw not the in game 1 on cod 4 if you adjust that you will cripple your accuracy so leave that at default as it takes the windows speed as the baseline and can increase it far beyond what windows can.


il try about 1200dpi as 800dpi is stable just not quick enough for the other players so lets see how that goes.
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