verizon cutoff for peak times

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Hello;

when did verizon change it's cutoff for peak minutes from 7pm to 9pm?

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Tom,

Have you been a Verizon customer for awhile? My cutoff is 9:00 PM.

David R. Goyer

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"Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> When you changed contracts!! My cutoff time is still 7PM :-)
> Tom J
>
> "jazz man" <tigereye@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:IU3%c.16412$Kh2.6625@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> > Hello;
> >
> > when did verizon change it's cutoff for peak minutes from 7pm to 9pm?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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"Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David R. Goyer" <davgo@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8YydnWs_k-DT_KPcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> > Tom,
> >
> > Have you been a Verizon customer for awhile? My cutoff is 9:00 PM.
>
> My contract is over 3 years old and is not about to get changed.

Wanna make a bet? If you are on a grandfathered plan, all Verizon has to do
is give you 30 days notice that they are discontinuing that plan and they
will offer at the same time to migrate you over to a current plan that is
simular. Your only options then are to agree or cancel your service. And I
know, because it was done to alot of old grandfathered plans that some
customers had been on for years in the Michigan/Ohio market when Verizon
changed their old OMNI billing system over to Midwest I2K.

It's a
> National Single Rate plan that also covers Canada.
>
> Tom J
>
>

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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> In article <W5M%c.43262$wu.43256@okepread04>,
> "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote:
>
> > Wanna make a bet? If you are on a grandfathered plan, all Verizon has
> > to do is give you 30 days notice that they are discontinuing that
> > plan and they will offer at the same time to migrate you over to a
> > current plan that is simular
>
> If it's grandfathered, that means it has already been discontinued. So
> long as you do not want to modify it (e.g., change the number of
> minutes, add a feature), you have it for life.
>

"For life" means only for as long as Verizon chooses to continue to carry
it.

> If you leave the plan, you can't go back to it.
>
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If you are not on an active contract with Verizon, they can discontinue
whatever plan you have at any time.

David R. Goyer


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"Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-0E7A71.18112708092004@news.west.cox.net...
> > In article <W5M%c.43262$wu.43256@okepread04>,
> > "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Wanna make a bet? If you are on a grandfathered plan, all Verizon has
> > > to do is give you 30 days notice that they are discontinuing that
> > > plan and they will offer at the same time to migrate you over to a
> > > current plan that is simular
> >
> > If it's grandfathered, that means it has already been discontinued. So
> > long as you do not want to modify it (e.g., change the number of
> > minutes, add a feature), you have it for life.
> >
>
> "For life" means only for as long as Verizon chooses to continue to carry
> it.
>
> > If you leave the plan, you can't go back to it.
> >
> > --
> > Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Vote for John Kerry.
>
>

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"Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message news:<W5M%c.43262$wu.43256@okepread04>...
> "Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:2q8lisFsov12U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "David R. Goyer" <davgo@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:8YydnWs_k-DT_KPcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Have you been a Verizon customer for awhile? My cutoff is 9:00 PM.
> >
> > My contract is over 3 years old and is not about to get changed.
>
> Wanna make a bet? If you are on a grandfathered plan, all Verizon has to do
> is give you 30 days notice that they are discontinuing that plan and they
> will offer at the same time to migrate you over to a current plan that is
> simular. Your only options then are to agree or cancel your service. And I
> know, because it was done to alot of old grandfathered plans that some
> customers had been on for years in the Michigan/Ohio market when Verizon
> changed their old OMNI billing system over to Midwest I2K.
>
> It's a
> > National Single Rate plan that also covers Canada.
> >
> > Tom J
> >
> >

I had a 7pm N&W till I changed plans a couple of years ago--The
problem with the old 7pm plans is that peak minutes are too few, and
most don't include long distance--My plna even had FIMF, but when I
calculated the the extra anytime minutes and long distance advantages,
for less money, I changed, and have been very happy--it also helps
that I have a sprint account with 7pm to 7pm N&W

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"Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message
> news:W5M%c.43262$wu.43256@okepread04...
> >
> > "Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
> > news:2q8lisFsov12U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "David R. Goyer" <davgo@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8YydnWs_k-DT_KPcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Have you been a Verizon customer for awhile? My cutoff is 9:00 PM.
> > >
> > > My contract is over 3 years old and is not about to get changed.
> >
> > Wanna make a bet? If you are on a grandfathered plan, all Verizon has to
do
> > is give you 30 days notice that they are discontinuing that plan
>
> NOPE!! I have a contract for life as long as I don't change anything about
my
> plan as it was written. Unlike most customers of cell phone companies, I
know
> what my contract says & know where it's stored. Don't think that people
with
> my type plan are not being made offers all the time to get them off these
> plans and into a plan that produces higher revenue for the carrier. I'm
very
> happy with my plan & it's exactly what I need since I travel all over
North
> America on a regular basis, and like I said, I'm not about to change.
> Verizon is not about to change it either BECAUSE it is a LIFETIME contract
as
> long as I don't change it.
>

Dream on. Your "LIFETIME" contract is at Verizon's discretion, not yours.
They have and do retain the right to discontinue or change your service at
any time of their own choosing, as long as they give you written notice of
said change first.

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"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <9%10d.44735$wu.32352@okepread04>,
> Number 6 <seen@thecrime.net> wrote:
> >Dream on. Your "LIFETIME" contract is at Verizon's discretion, not yours.
> >They have and do retain the right to discontinue or change your service
at
> >any time of their own choosing, as long as they give you written notice
of
> >said change first.
>
> Are there actual cases people can point to where substantive features
> have been changed on a "lifetime" plan from VZW's end, without any
> action having been done by the customer? Such as changing off-peak start
> time, number of minutes in off-peak/weekend bundles, monthly charge,
> voice-mail features, etc. I've had several discontinued plans for years,
> and nothing happened to them until I asked to be on a new plan.
>

It is not just the features of a plan that can change, but the plan itself.

Back in March of this year, several thousand Ohio/Michigan customers who
were on old plans were sent out letters informing them that their old plan
was not going to be carried by Verizon anymore, and instead were offered to
be switched to a current comparable plan that was similar to the one that
they were losing.

The reason for this switch was that Verizon did a billing system upgrade.
The Ohio/Michigan market was on an old antiquated billing system called
OMNI, and Verizon was migrating these customers over to their I2K billing
system, the one which most other Verizon customers are on now. Most, but not
all of those who were advised that they were losing their old plan were on
plans that were incompatible with the I2K billing system. The rest were on
plans that Verizon had not carried for years, and were not profitable, and
had not ever been offered in other markets. The only options for these
customers were to either switch over to the other plans currently offered or
terminate service.

And on a side note... when all of the OMNI customers in the Ohio/Michigan
market were changed over to the I2K billing system, they also became subject
to prorates when making changes to their plans, whereas under the old OMNI
billing system any changes made were retroactive back to the beginning of
the billing cycle....

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Tom J wrote:
> "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message
> news:QC30d.44750$wu.44085@okepread04...
>>
>> It is not just the features of a plan that can change, but the plan
>> itself.
>>
>> Back in March of this year, several thousand Ohio/Michigan customers
>> who were on old plans were sent out letters informing them that
>> their old plan was not going to be carried by Verizon anymore,
> Those were not life time contracts and you should know that. Quote me
> one instance were a customer go a letter saying their lifetime
> contract has been canceled, that didn't ask to change something on
> the contract or was not paying the bill.
>
> You Can't!!

I've never seen a "lifetime" contract. Can you show me one of those?

-Quick

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"Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message
> news:QC30d.44750$wu.44085@okepread04...
> >
> > It is not just the features of a plan that can change, but the plan
itself.
> >
> > Back in March of this year, several thousand Ohio/Michigan customers who
> > were on old plans were sent out letters informing them that their old
plan
> > was not going to be carried by Verizon anymore,

> Those were not life time contracts and you should know that.

I know for a fact that several of those plans that were terminated were life
time contracts.

Quote me one
> instance were a customer go a letter saying their lifetime contract has
been
> canceled, that didn't ask to change something on the contract or was not
> paying the bill.
>
> You Can't!!

I already have. They were in the Ohio/Michigan market.

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plane@usa.com (plane) wrote in message news:<68a9acb2.0409081904.32e9b520@posting.google.com>...
> "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message news:<W5M%c.43262$wu.43256@okepread04>...
> > "Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
> > news:2q8lisFsov12U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "David R. Goyer" <davgo@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8YydnWs_k-DT_KPcRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Have you been a Verizon customer for awhile? My cutoff is 9:00 PM.
> > >
> > > My contract is over 3 years old and is not about to get changed.
> >
> > Wanna make a bet? If you are on a grandfathered plan, all Verizon has to do
> > is give you 30 days notice that they are discontinuing that plan and they
> > will offer at the same time to migrate you over to a current plan that is
> > simular. Your only options then are to agree or cancel your service. And I
> > know, because it was done to alot of old grandfathered plans that some
> > customers had been on for years in the Michigan/Ohio market when Verizon
> > changed their old OMNI billing system over to Midwest I2K.
> >
> > It's a
> > > National Single Rate plan that also covers Canada.
> > >
> > > Tom J
> > >
> > >
>
> I had a 7pm N&W till I changed plans a couple of years ago--The
> problem with the old 7pm plans is that peak minutes are too few, and
> most don't include long distance--My plna even had FIMF, but when I
> calculated the the extra anytime minutes and long distance advantages,
> for less money, I changed, and have been very happy--it also helps
> that I have a sprint account with 7pm to 7pm N&W

I still have the 7am to 7pm plan. Got it just after the Verizon-GTE
merger. It works out well for evening/morning calling to the east
coast. What good are unlimited minutes in the middle of the night? 9pm
nights is just a way to make many minutes weekend only.

-
David

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"Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Number 6" <seen@thecrime.net> wrote in message
> news:QC30d.44750$wu.44085@okepread04...
>>
>> It is not just the features of a plan that can change, but the plan
>> itself.
>>
>> Back in March of this year, several thousand Ohio/Michigan customers who
>> were on old plans were sent out letters informing them that their old
>> plan
>> was not going to be carried by Verizon anymore,
> Those were not life time contracts and you should know that. Quote me one
> instance were a customer go a letter saying their lifetime contract has
> been
> canceled, that didn't ask to change something on the contract or was not
> paying the bill.
>
> You Can't!!
>
> Tom J
>
>

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On 9/10/04 9:57 AM, in article 2qdq5mFtk6t4U1@uni-berlin.de, "Peter Pan"
<Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> Once again you prove your stupidity. 3 years ago, verizon didn't have any
> "for life" of the contract SIGNER (only for the life/length of the
> CONTRACT), the definition of the term "for life" was changed to be legally
> defined as for the "life of the contract" effective Jan 1st 2001 as a result
> of some legal battles. Look at your bill (online or paper),
> features/freebies like M2M etc now have expiration dates for the free
> features. They couldn't do that until they changed the definition of "for

Funny, my Sept 2004 has no ending dates for my IN and M2M Minutes. Nice
try, though.


> life". As you note, in your own words, in Sept 2001 your contract says "And
> it was defined as the life of the contract". Guess what, when you started
> with them in 2001 the definition was already changed! Some of us have had
> service with them for longer than YOU have, There was a company called
> Verizon for years before you became a customer (I was with the predecessor

About 2. IIRC Verizon was formed in 99 or thereabouts.

> Pac*tel wireless in 1991 before it became verizon), and old contracts,
> defined before the legal definition changed, are assumed for the life of the
> contract signer, rather than the life of the contract. Don't you think it's
> a bit selfish and self centered to assume that every one of the 30+ million
> verizon subscribers have the same contract as you, and didn't even start
> with them until Sept 2001?

Again, post the verbage from your contract. Again, VZW can change the terms
at any time by giving written notice. That includes Promos, terms, and
rates. I'd be _VERY_ shocked if there were no terms like that, as just
about all cellular contracts have the same wording for an out clause. If
they change things, you get a "Get out of Service Free" card.

But, post the wording from your contract. It's not that hard. You may
learn something.

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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:30:35 -0700, "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>"Sneaker Freak" <sneakerfreak@covad.net> wrote in message
>news:BD68662A.3F6C%sneakerfreak@covad.net...
>> On 9/10/04 9:57 AM, in article 2qdq5mFtk6t4U1@uni-berlin.de, "Peter Pan"
>> <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Funny, my Sept 2004 has no ending dates for my IN and M2M Minutes. Nice
>> try, though.
>>
>From my Sept 2004 bill:
>
>Your Service Profile
>
>Item Description
> Current
> calling plan: America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99 2y 0902
>Monthly charge $39.99
>Monthly allowance minutes 400 general
>Additional per minute charge $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak
>
>Promotional Details:
> Current: Beginning on 08/20/03: Unlimited night & weekend minute
>allowance per month - 2yr contract
>
>I just happen to have a copy of an electronic bill here, and there is both a
>start date/length of contract for both the plan itself and the promo. Note
>they print the START date, and the LENGTH of the contract, rather than the
>end date, some have 1 year and some 2 year contracts, so you have to add the
>length of the contract to the START date.
>
>Notice the 09/02 (September 2002, when I changed the plan and got a $100
>off/free phone), and the 08/20/03 date (when I changed the contract to allow
>unlimited nights and weekends rather than just 3000 I had before)... Amazing
>how BOTH dates are there on the bill.

Hmmm... Mine says

-----> America's Choice 400 Anytime $39.99 Access 0603

That "0603" means absolutely nothing to me, since I did not make any
changes to my plan then. I signed a 2-year contract for a Single Rate in
December of some year and had it for well over 2 years, until I switched to
AC and got a new phone in 11/03.

My Mtm nat 1000 min and N&W unlimited min have a beginning date (11/24/03)
but not a length.

Come to think of it, though, I upped the 300 I got in November to 400 in
December (and yes, they prorated me for 2 days' worth of 300 (one of which
was a weekend) and 28 days of 400), but that still doesn't explain the
"0603".

Nothing is listed anywhere on my bill as having either a length or an
ending date.

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"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
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> >> On 9/10/04 9:57 AM, in article 2qdq5mFtk6t4U1@uni-berlin.de, "Peter
Pan"
> >> <Marcs1102@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Funny, my Sept 2004 has no ending dates for my IN and M2M Minutes.
Nice
> >> try, though.
> >>
> >From my Sept 2004 bill:
> >
> >Your Service Profile
> >
> >Item Description
> > Current
> > calling plan: America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99 2y
0902
> >Monthly charge $39.99
> >Monthly allowance minutes 400 general
> >Additional per minute charge $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak
> >
> >Promotional Details:
> > Current: Beginning on 08/20/03: Unlimited night & weekend minute
> >allowance per month - 2yr contract
> >
> >I just happen to have a copy of an electronic bill here, and there is
both a
> >start date/length of contract for both the plan itself and the promo.
Note
> >they print the START date, and the LENGTH of the contract, rather than
the
> >end date, some have 1 year and some 2 year contracts, so you have to add
the
> >length of the contract to the START date.
> >
> >Notice the 09/02 (September 2002, when I changed the plan and got a $100
> >off/free phone), and the 08/20/03 date (when I changed the contract to
allow
> >unlimited nights and weekends rather than just 3000 I had before)...
Amazing
> >how BOTH dates are there on the bill.
>
> Hmmm... Mine says
>
> -----> America's Choice 400 Anytime $39.99 Access 0603
>
> That "0603" means absolutely nothing to me, since I did not make any
> changes to my plan then. I signed a 2-year contract for a Single Rate in
> December of some year and had it for well over 2 years, until I switched
to
> AC and got a new phone in 11/03.
>
> My Mtm nat 1000 min and N&W unlimited min have a beginning date (11/24/03)
> but not a length.
>
> Come to think of it, though, I upped the 300 I got in November to 400 in
> December (and yes, they prorated me for 2 days' worth of 300 (one of which
> was a weekend) and 28 days of 400), but that still doesn't explain the
> "0603".
>
> Nothing is listed anywhere on my bill as having either a length or an
> ending date.
>
> --

Sorry, have no clue why the date is odd on your bill, but for sure call *611
and ask em (it's a free call and that's part of what they are paid to do). I
was due for a NE2 and some unscrupulous temp employee renewed my
contract/kept the phone himself (and of course quit before he got fired)..
CS at *611 was able to look at the contract/explain it/and fix things.

Understand, it may be nothing, but just like I urge people to check their
credit reports now and then to make sure nobody scammed them/stole their
identity/etc, doesn't hurt to check your contract either, and make sure
nobody is playing games with it.