Integrities shot down-My rant

If I may be serious for a moment...

I'd like to make my rant here, as I feel perhaps some of you also feel this way or felt this way once.
I have this friend, who seems to just be lucky almost 90% of the time. He relies on doing anything at the last minute, he enjoys winning after that. For example, he procrastinated his Ethics&Religious Culture class homework, did it a the night before the return day (we had about a week of time), and guess what? He got a 10/10, while I did it in advance by many days, and got a 7.
More than that, he also deals with fraudy acts, despite he is known as the most innocent and in fact nicest person around, even IMO. He didn't prepare his French Oral Project, he did it on the night before the speech day, and guess what? Prof gave him 89%.
Now each day he tells me something about how he succeeds by simply procrastinating, or going against the logical system, it does nothing but irritate me. I have never felt like my integrity being shot down.
I feel it as an insult to people like me who work their ass off to get something done, while others take advantage of last-minute times, do the task and get high notes while people like me get less. Perhaps I am not working too hard, or not putting my best into it, but I guess what most ticks me off is how my friend just takes everything he does, at the last minute and turns it into his advantage in some sort of twisted way, and earns lots. It's as if he manages to magically change the way things logically work.

I would like to ask you all, who here had experienced such? Who has dealt with a project in advance, prepared yourself, and perhaps were confident you have done something but when someone else does that work at the last minute, they actually earn something more 'respectable' than you in overall? (Not saying it is higher but something that just seems like a hard earned improvement)

"sigh", I know I shouldn't let it get to me, but I just feel so goddamn insulted with how he is just 'lucky' and happy all the time, while I am stressed out at school, but do my best to finish work in time, and not last minute rushing, yet I don't seem to tap out my best when compared to him. It's just shooting my integrity down.
Perhaps it is annoying me because it's my competitive nature to feel the need to outrun someone, but I do feel insulted this time, so I am sure it isn't just the competition feel.

Thanks for bearing with this rant, I hope there are some here who experienced this previously, and if you want, share it with me, as I am feeling truly irritated/down at the moment, feeling almost hopeless against such world, in hope perhaps once I may truly let him feel the result of procrastination and overconfidence of self.

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Just to let you know I'm one of those people.

I don't believe he's trying to insult you in any way. I procrastinate all of the time. I figure what's the point in getting it done early if you can do it later. In school I could always do my homework before class started, and finished test in 10mins or less. I usually score in the upper percentile of the class, or set the curve. The thing that you have to remember is some people work better under stress. Some peoples brains just work that way. I know I can answer things better understress than normally. I dunno. It just gets my brain going and things come to me. Don't be mad, I feel bad sometimes. I mean my gf studies her ass off and has a hard time learning things, where as I can usually pick it up right off the bat. I'm not sure what the downside is, well there is one I can think of. If you procrastinate to long then you'll bomb. Other than that you just have to deal with us. Sorry, but some people are like that. I don't think it's luck, I just think it's the way some people are made. I've often, very often, been told that I have a screwed up logic. I can generally twist anything I want to suit me. Also if I do bad on something, I can generaly fix things by talking my way out of it. It doesn't always have to be proved, if you can come up with a way where the answer they expect wouldn't be the only answer then they will generally work with you. I used to do this all the time in school. Worked great for me. Now I work for real. It still works. People like it when you come up with new ideas and go down paths not thought of before. So more power to you. I'm sorry that you study so hard, but just remember at least you're not procrastinating. :wink:

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Reply to Yahiko81

Hmmm. I am/was like your friend. I made it through high school doing approximately...well...MAYBE 5 hours of homework TOTAL...that is in 4 years. I would do the work that was due the next period the period prior... I would not study for tests until the day of the test and then ace it with no problems. I figured I was smarter! But in fact I was selling myself out a bit. When doing things last minute like that, you very rarely RETAIN the knowledge. Sure...you might get a great grade right then, but if you were to test me on the same subject material weeks later, I would fail unless I brushed up. Think of it this way....you are retaining knowledge to be used later while your friend is sort of memorizing the answers for the day, but won't remember jack later.

I dunno.

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Reply to FrizzleFried

Although what you're saying is the basis of what ticks me off, I still respect you, because you did not rub it in my face and because we're not real-life friends as in we don't see each other, plus you are a good THGC pal to me, so we're ok.

Actually I work better under stress too, but we're talking about stress by working in advance or preparing or studying. People who do it right before the test or the night before it, I wouldn't call it stress, you brought it upon you to do so, therefore I don't see where stress is generated or if it is even higher than the stress by someone who studies in advance.

Needless to say there has to be at least someone out there in THGC who feels like I do, I hope. I often try to let it behind me, unfortunatly some things just don't easily go away. He's a good friend, I like him, but sometimes there's a phase where his guts become something I hate!

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Reply to eden

Mmmm, I'm kinda one of those people. It's not luck really, it's knowing how to manipulate people, and knowing the way they work, and doing minimal amt. of what pleases them. I went thru 3 years of history, where on projects we were supposed to do tons of research (and many did, and got A's) whereas I rarely opened the book, mad surper flashy graphics, and voila, A+ (last minute, of course). Then for other stuff I dun study while others study their asses off, and I get 100 whereas they fail, but there's other times when I really do need to study (like right now actually hehe). Sometimes though, ur friend may be bsing u. Mwahah, it also happens that I spend most of classtime talking w/ a friend of mine, and everytime "we" get caught, he gets in trouble, while teacher doesn't even notice.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

This post doesn't seem to be working to well because I am one of those people you are talking about, or used to be. It wasn't that I put stuff off to the last minute it is more that it never takes me long so why not do it later. I used to rub this in people's faces a lot. But luckily I had a friend who pointed out what I was doing to other people's feelings. I had not even realized that I was doing it; so now that I know about my problem I am able to deal with it and I do not think that I rub it in people's faces any more. The work doesn't take me any longer but I have found that I enjoy doing the work ahead now and being able to relax a bit right when the procrastinaters are panicing.

What I would encourage you to do is to let your friend know how you feel about his attitude. I know that is hard. I would probably never confront a person because I figure if I ignore the problem it will either go away or stop bothering me. In reality it just builds up a grudge and I find I can't deal with the person.

Good luck.

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Reply to icy_oblivion

I'm with yahiko.

Some people just work better under pressure (not to be mistaken with stress) than others. In my experience, if I were to work on a project or hw assignment of any kind in advanced, I'd always be working on it for like 30 minutes or an hour...then I'd go surf for porn, post on THGC, play some games, talk to my gf, etc. then I'd go work on my project for another hour, then distract myself by doing something else again. (you see the pattern).....in the end, I'd come up with some BS hw because I wasn't concentrating HARD enough on it....

When I work on the hw or project the night before, I'd be super-duper concentrated on getting it done because I know it's due the next day. That way, I would'nt have the tendancy to surf the 'Net or have sex with my gf....I'd just be concentrating on school. That's just the way some people do thing.......

Disregard my previous post.

Reply to Stick_e_Mouse

I am one of those people myself. I remember doing a 1 month research project in 1 day. I remember laughing at people who asked questions of the prof did some long in depth research, came to class, listened to the instructions, spent alot of time. I even had one gal get so angry she even said something to the prof.

Honestly I do my best work stressed out and under pressure. When I study I usually get up at 4am if there is a big test. I've never been able to study at night and I dont think I will. But you can rest easier at night knowing that your [-peep-] is already done while people like me are thinking about it up to the last minute.

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Reply to Pettytheft

Ya I'm totally one of those people too. In school (college), I don't study, I don't do the reading (unless their novels), and usually wait until fairly late to do homework, or don't do it at all if it isn't collected (depending on subjet). I beef up a bit for a few minutes before class when I have an exam, and always get good grades. People tell me that they spend 8 hours studying on a test, yet get a C or D, while I don't study at all and get an A on the same test. I don't know why or how it works out that way, it's strange.

I remember the best was this time in High School. I was in International Baccalaureate (IB) classes, which at the end of the senior year there are all sorts of IB tests and projects that needed to be done for those classes. For history, all the students had to do do a history essay of some sort that would be graded and then applied to your final score in that subject along with the tests you take. Now, we were given months in advance to do this essay, but I waited until the Sunday before the Wednesday it was due. The test was graded out of 25, and one other student got a 23, I got a 22, and the next highest was a 17. Most students got 15's or so. To me such things seem impossible, considering how my entire essay was a bunch of BS, truly.

That's one thing I noticed can get you far in studies, is BSing a lot. In applicable subjects (social studies, english, etc.), being able to BS your way around can go a long way. Now, even though I BSed didn't mean I didn't know anything, but I probably do it because I know it's faster than actually doing the work. Not sure if that makes sense, but it does to me.

But, some people aren't that way, so the only option for them is to actually study and do the stuff. I'm sure your friend doesn't intentionally do what he does or rub it in your face solely to make you irritated or feel bad. Sh!t you should be proud of him for being so clever!

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Reply to ksoth

LOL!

You are all a bunch of procrasting bastards!!!!!

I'm one too.

Eden: you know how, on tests, everyone tells you to go with "your first instinct"? Procrastinating is a lot like that. Because the deadline is comming up, you are going with the choices that occur to you first, or at least, the best choices which occur to you. You are forcing yourself to make a decision on the best item, at that time. You don't have time for a committee decision.

Don't let is "shoot down you integrity". He just has a different style, and it works for him. It really, really sounds like you need to try some different methods and figure out what your's is. Also, figuring out a professor/instructor is about 45% of the whole game. You still have to make a credible argument, but if you are arguing on "his side", then it automatically gives you the benefit of the doubt.

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Reply to ejsmith2

Ummm...if it helps:

I am one of those guys who at first, give everything, I study hard and all...but after a few hours I just lose interest and instead I go out drinking beer, call it lack of self discipline or whatever.

I always get crappy results! :tongue:

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Reply to Jake75

I know that feeling. seriously, when I was studying for my PhD (not something I could honestly recommend), I used to get up every minutes and play darts. I had a dartboard in my room and it really helped to mentally 'get away' from study, because of the concentration needed to play the game.

The alternative is to amuse yourself with a jazz mag, but you'll only fall asleep if you decide to bash the bishop.

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Reply to WingDing

Me and a mate shared apartment a couple of years ago, we did this because we thought it would be nice to study together and all that.

*lol*
Oooh, what a miscalculation.
Instead of studies we threw a party almost everyday, smoking weed, drinking alcohol and invited all our friends to our place...there were always someone up there so
it was quite impossible to study.
Was it fun?, YES.

At weekends we used to space out, eating magic mushrooms and painting stuff...we even took some chairs and chopped them up with an axe in our livingroom (after drinking some mushroom tea that is), it was cold outside and we thought it would be a good idea to burn some chairs.

Oh the memories (and the girls *drool*)

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Reply to Jake75

So you planted your plonker in some cute chicks? A fine way to spend the weekend.....

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Reply to WingDing

Here's a well-tried piece of advice: If you can't win them, join them! If you've never just let go, try it out sometimes. You might be surprised how well it works.

The important thing is to know when to cram and when to wing it. But if someone is claiming that they get things done only by spur-of-the-moment, they're lying. Chances are that they've been mulling the stuff in their heads quite a lot in the time between the assignment and the deadline. If that's the case, e.g writing a paper is merely manual labour. You can do your thinking without moving a muscle you know, except for the occasional blinking of eyelids. :smile:

That's the way I usually work nowadays. And I do mean work, hard work. But sometimes I can't help rubbing the seeming ease of it in people's faces - knowingly or unknowingly - by saying something like: "I'm too busy tonight. Gotta turn in that paper tomorrow, so I'd better start doing something about it before it's too late..."

Just winging it - seemingly - works quite well in "soft" sciences, and IMO is an absolute must when you have to give a presentation or some such. Learned that lesson quite early in school when I (and classmates, of course) were assigned to give some sort of presentation. I was quite a serious crammer back then, so I did my my background research, read through all the references, wrote some 20+ pages worth of presentation notes and all that. When the time for my presentation finally came, time was running a bit short (last class of the day, 15min left).

So there I was, realising that there was no chance whatsoever that I could give my carefully orchestrated 20+ page presentation, designed to impress everyone by its expertise and thoroughness. That's when the devil got into me. I just walked up to the lectern, glanced at the watch, leafed through my notes, mumbled something like "Hmm, time is running short, so I'll just give you the good stuff" - and tossed the notes to the wastebasket. You bet that last bit of showmanship got everyone's attention, teacher included, I got the best grade ever, and a reputation of being a whizz kid who can come up with the "good stuff" just like that.

Of course, I remembered those discarded pages nearly word-for-word, but I had to decide what to keep and what to leave out while I went along with the show. I think that the small degree of spontaneity was what ultimately hiked up the grade. Since then, I've actually taken conscious effort to be suitably unprepared for certain carefully chosen occasions... :smile:

It has worked for me, so give it a go. Do your usual backgrounder stuff early, and then just "forget" it all until the moment comes. The stuff hasn't really disappeared anywhere, but it sure comes out much more naturally when you do it that way.

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Indeed...hopefully I will be able make out again later tonight.
*jake makes his famous monkey sound and bashes himself on the chest repeatedly*

Here comes the monkey.

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Reply to Jake75

Hey why don't you set up a webcam so we can all perv along with the action????

If not, give her a good thrust from me.......

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Reply to WingDing

Seriously, the thought of a webcam recording me humping a chick has occured to me a "few" times...sadly, my moral side tells me it´s wrong...silly moral side.

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Reply to Jake75

Remember, it's only a crime if you're caught.......

If you intend broadcasting it or distributing the pics, then I'd agree.....recording for your own viewing pleasure is less serious, but still a bit questionable.

Hey maybe she'd like it too??

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Reply to WingDing

Uh oh... I'm one too, for a part of it.

In the first 3 grades of school (6 in total) I didn't do much studying for classes like math, physics, biologic and chemistry, earth-science and history... I made my homework and one day for the test I rereaded the part of the book it was about... I most time got high marks.
In 4th and 5th grade I did the same for those courses and with most even didn't do any homework but my marks for some of them started to get lower.
Now in 6th grade I'm doing all my homework again because this is an important year, I also found out I better do my math homework properly and practice it before the test because it is more difficult then in the first 3 grades.
But almost always I make my reports in advance otherwise I get to stressed the day before I have to finish it... and I make them better this way I think.
But there are some courses I'm bad in: languages (especially German and French). This year I'm going to study hard for those courses because they are my weakest spots. Always when I have to learn words it seems I can't get them into my head... I study for hours and still got an unsifficient mark.

You have to understand that some people just learn faster then others... although I would be surprised if someone writes a report the finall day and gets a very high mark... in my school they often score lower.

And it surprises me that my brother has to study more then my for some courses... but he is way better in languages then me... and when he studies properly he gets higher marks then me in a lot of courses.

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Hey maybe she'd like it too??

If I manage to drag a chick home with me, the last thing I will ask is if she fancy being humped in front of a camera, most likely she will say no and leave...I don´t want that to happen after sucking up to her a whole night.

I am not THAT lucky when it comes to picking chicks up.

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Reply to Jake75

OK, that makes life simple. Just focus your efforts on humping her to within an inch of her life. Then leave the rest to me.......

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Reply to WingDing

Aye aye captain.

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Reply to Jake75

Actually I have a good line for you.....when I was single (sigh) and was ready to give a girl a good poke, as I was about to make the first thrust I'd pause, look deep into their eyes and say:

..."Do you have any idea what I'm going to do to you?".....

Try it......they're at your mercy then.....

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Reply to WingDing

Just to point something out,

Myself I was a bit of a procrastinator at school too, but it all does change in the real life.
When you are responsible for bringing the income, and supporting the family- old tricks that worked in college do not work no more. And for all of us (99.9%) luck is out of the picture. If you are going to be successful, you will work hard and smart.
Majority of the well established people I know are well off right now, and no, they did not win the lottery- they are one heck of hard working/studying people.
If some say that they work best under pressure, that’s great- but what do you do with the rest of that time, because ALL of your Combined time, and what you do with it –contributes to your success.

Those “lucky” smart people are usually lazy, and good fate doesn’t last too long. But the persevering and never giving up people are those that will find a way to be successful and stay that way.

We know the stories of people that win bucket full of moneys in the lottery, and end up coming suicide, because they have not learned the hardship of earning that money.

Cheating and procrastinating through life doest have a long-term benefit (as someone above has stated), it only gets by for the present moment, but then the disappointment comes (usually).

In this life/ economy, you are either and employer or employee. If you put yourself in one position with one view of procrastination – it is likely that view would change if you switched roles (employer/ employee)

Reply to globe111

It is true that eventually just winging it will not work. I have friends who did not work in highschool, were in the top 5% of the class, and now in University they don't know how to work and are having to learn how to study. Only now it is harder to learn a good work ethic then if they have learned it in their primary and secondary education.

I crossed the line into insanity so long ago I no longer have any idea which way to go to get further from the line.

Reply to icy_oblivion

What constitutes a good work ethic? I'm a procrastinator, and I've been working for the past two years as a service techinician. I disagree with both of you saying that procrastinators will suffer in the long run. You make it sound as if we're getting by on pure luck. That's not the case. I have retained almost everything that I have learned. I may not remember it right off the top of my head, but If I see one example, then it all comes back to me. I would say I have a good work ethic. I show up to work on time, I get all of my assignments completed. I procrastinate at work all the time. I call it being efficient. Doing as little work as possible to get the most out of it with satisfactory results. The thing is you have to know what satisfactory is. It's different from day to day. I tried studying before. It was no good. It was in my college pyschology class. for the first month or two I took notes in class, did my homework ahead of time and just did plain horrible. So I started sleeping through class not listening to the teacher and skim reading the books. And you know what I started getting a higher grade, so much higher that the teacher thought I was cheating and made me take the make up tests. After I passed all of the makeup test with an even higher score she just settled for the fact that I knew what I was doing. It just irritates me to see people that want you to fail. They're always saying you're setting yourself up to fail. And in reality they hope you do because you have it easier than them. Well bahh to you all. I'll keep procrastinating. And yes if I was a manager i'd procrastinate as well. I used to run my own computer business and I did quite well. I just didn't like being a salesman. I was good at it, but wanted something different. Well now I'm doing something different and I procrastinate like before and no one has a problem (except pyscho chicks that screw up sychronizaiton) with it at all. I get my work done on time and I do a damn good job at it. Heck if I was that bad would I have continually gotten a 10% bonus each quater and a 7.5% raise last year? I'm due for another raise this year so I'll let you all know how that goes. Some people can do it, some can't. Find out which suits you, get over it if you don't like it or die mad.

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Reply to Yahiko81

yahiko81, I am sorry if I made it appear that I was making a general statement about all people. I know that there are people who can survive and do very well with little effort. I also know that some people, not all people, eventually get to a point where they can't just do things at the last minute.

I will even admit that I have some areas where I don't have to work to do well, so I understand what you mean when you say you did better when you didn't take notes, etc.

I also should have clarified myself when I used 'work ethic'. I do not mean that getting things done at the last minute is a bad work ethic, just that for a lot of people I have run into doing last minute work is a sure way to only put 50% of their ability into it.

I am glad to hear that you are doing well in you job and I hope you continue to do well and get that raise.

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Reply to icy_oblivion

Sorry, my little outburst wasn't aimed directly at you. It just happened to contain a little bit for everyone and your's was the last post. I guess there is a downside. I get bored with things very quickly. I have a hard time concentrating on one thing for very long. Well let me rephrase that, I have a hard time concentrating on general things for a very long time. If it's something I really like I can do it for hours upon hours. I dunno. Sometimes I can play a computer game for only 10mins and then I'm totally disgusted with it and want to do something different. In general I can't sit still for very long. I like to be doing things, keeping active. I've been down in the dumps lately because there hasn't been much to do. I get off of work, go home and then do what? I don't have many friends up here. I wouldn't say I'm an outgoing person. I'm friends with my coworkers, but they live 45 miles away so we hardly do anything together. I talk to my gf every night, she's going to a college about 80 miles away. Most of my other old friends live at least 120 miles away. So what do I do? I usually stay home and play with my ferrets, clean, mess around on the computer, try to tinker around with my server, read books, maybe watch a movie. My brother lives with me but he's hardly ever home. So i've decided not to stay at home anymore. Lately I've been driving. I drive up to see my gf twice a week. I drive to see my friends that live relatively close every other weekend. I see my parents then as well because they live in the same town. This weekend some of them are coming up and we're going to play poker and just what ever else strikes our fancy. Next weekend I'm gonna go see my one friend who lives roughly 350 miles away. I figure why not it'll give me something to do for the weekend. Oh well. It makes me feel better anyway. I don't know what I'm going on about but it just makes you feel better to post your thoughts, whether people really care or not. It doesn't matter to me.

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What constitutes a good work ethic?

In real life: lets say you sell ice cream. Your manager tells you absolutely have to sell 20 ice creams in one hour.
Now, you are just the best sales person there, so you decide you are going to chill and do nothing for the first 45 minutes, in fact you will just hang out with your buddies and enjoy your free ice-cream.
Then at the end of the hour you sell your 20 ice creams,
your boss comes in and looks at the sales receipt, and says well done.

Yes you have done your job, but you could of had sold 80 ice creams.
Now if you were the owner, this sales person has the potential of quadrupling your income- do you view procrastination the same now?
You have a great talent, why waist it?

If you had a bank that credited your account each morning with $86,000 that carried over no balance from day to day...Allowed you to keep no cash in your account, and every evening cancelled whatever part of the amount you failed to use during the day, what would you do? Draw out every cent every day, of course, and use it to your advantage! Well, you have such a bank, and its name is TIME! Every morning it credits you with 86,400 seconds. Every night it rules off as lost whatever of this you failed to invest to good purpose. It carries over no balances, it allows no overdrafts. Each day it opens a new account with you. If you fail to use the day's deposits, the loss is yours. There is no going back. There is no drawing against tomorrow.

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I disagree with both of you saying that procrastinators will suffer in the long run. You make it sound as if we're getting by on pure luck.

It may not suffer where you might noticed it, but you could of missed some opportunity you never knew about! And no, not pure luck- you might be successful, but there was a chance for something better.

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I procrastinate at work all the time. I call it being efficient.

You can be efficient and not procrastinate, does that make you more efficient doing so?

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Doing as little work as possible to get the most out of it with satisfactory results.

Satisfactory results will keep your job, but not get you ahead.

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They're always saying you're setting yourself up to fail. And in reality they hope you do because you have it easier than them. Well bahh to you all. I'll keep procrastinating.

Again I think there is a fine line between school and real life.

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And yes if I was a manager i'd procrastinate as well. I used to run my own computer business and I did quite well. I just didn't like being a salesman. I was good at it, but wanted something different. Well now I'm doing something different and I procrastinate like before and no one has a problem (except pyscho chicks that screw up sychronizaiton) with it at all. I get my work done on time and I do a damn good job at it. Heck if I was that bad would I have continually gotten a 10% bonus each quater and a 7.5% raise last year?

And this is your choice, if you didn’t procrastinate and did above what you were expected, did you have a potential for a 20% raise?

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Some people can do it, some can't. Find out which suits you, get over it if you don't like it or die mad.

No, all people can procrastinate, and all people can’t- its your choice of what value you invest your time in.

Reply to globe111

oh, and btw,
I have values that go beyond my sucess in the money making world, so this is not the most important thing in my life, so if you are content with just a 10% raise, thats fine with me!
The key thing is "procrastinate", where you
From dictianary.com

To put off doing something, especially out of habitual carelessness or laziness.

v. tr.
To postpone or delay needlessly.

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If you had a bank that credited your account each morning with $86,000 that carried over no balance from day to day...Allowed you to keep no cash in your account, and every evening cancelled whatever part of the amount you failed to use during the day, what would you do? Draw out every cent every day, of course, and use it to your advantage!

Acutally I wouldn't. It's not getting everything you want, it's wanting everything you get.

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In real life: lets say you sell ice cream. Your manager tells you absolutely have to sell 20 ice creams in one hour.
Now, you are just the best sales person there, so you decide you are going to chill and do nothing for the first 45 minutes, in fact you will just hang out with your buddies and enjoy your free ice-cream.
Then at the end of the hour you sell your 20 ice creams,
your boss comes in and looks at the sales receipt, and says well done.

Yes you have done your job, but you could of had sold 80 ice creams.
Now if you were the owner, this sales person has the potential of quadrupling your income- do you view procrastination the same now?
You have a great talent, why waist it?

Heh, you'll never get it. It's not screw off till it's oh sh|t! time You know your capabilites and you preform to the best of them, yet at a pace you feel comfortable setting.

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Satisfactory results will keep your job, but not get you ahead.

Well it's worked for me. I'm not at the same level where I started.

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Again I think there is a fine line between school and real life.

I'm not talking about school. I'm talking about life. life in general. Whether you are in school or whether you are on the job.

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And this is your choice, if you didn’t procrastinate and did above what you were expected, did you have a potential for a 20% raise?

Nope it was a potential for a 3~7% raise

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No, all people can procrastinate, and all people can’t- its your choice of what value you invest your time in.

Again you've missed the point, I'm not talking about procrastinating. I'm talking about being able to succeed in life without wasting countless hours.

Hmm lets see oh there are so many things i've missed cause I've procrastinated that's utter BS. If anything you'll have more time to go out and explore those opportunities while others are busting their ass to do what comes natural to you. Like I said earlier, get over it or die mad. I'm over it are you?

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Reply to Yahiko81

Let me tell you a little story it helps me describe my situation a little better.

There was a man sitting on the beach. He was fishing. Everyday John Q. Public drove past him in his suit and tie. Everyday John thought to himself, that lazy bum why doesn't he get a job and make something out of his life. So one day on the way to work John pulls over and ask the bum, why don't you get a job. The bum replies why should I? John said It's the thing to do. Any self respecting man would do it. The bum counters what's the point in getting a job? John says well that's easy, you get a job so you can make money. The bum says and what do you do with all of this money. Well you build a house, a family and then you make more money. And what do you do with all of the rest of your money? Well you invest it so it grows and you can retire and quit work. What do you when you retire? Well you do the things you love to do, but just didn't have time to do before. The bum says Well, I love to fish and it seems like an awful lot of hub bub about nothing to just get back to where I am now. Doing what I love.

Moral of the story? Why waste your life chasing after things you think you need? Just go out there and live it now.

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Reply to Yahiko81

Good story.

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Reply to icy_oblivion

Thanks for putting some words that could cheer me up...
I do agree on that not everyone will be able to continue making things at the last minute and succeed. This isn't just about procrastinating, but about how some get lucky so easily, while others beleive in hard earned rewards which they sadly never get!

For example take today, I did my Laboratory Report preparation, since the teacher asks us to prepare the first part, which has the material, Variables, Goal of test, hypothesis, and prepare the results chart or table. Then once we do the lab test, we put the results, then finish with the Analysis/Interpretation and finally Conclusion. So I do it in the day it was assigned, despite having one day free. When today came, I had it ready, my friend, NOT. He was doing it at night yesterday, I told him I won't give him answers because to me, I have a set of principles and I want to respect them, and therefore I will only give him the answers if he tries to perhaps do work during day, and not at that last minute. He reread the Physics book's page where the lab test is printed on (though you have to create on a paper, the report nevertheless), but assumably, he didn't find what the Goal was. So he didn't do his prep. Gee golly, as usual, whenever HE doesn't do his homework, he doesn't get caught, the teacher doesn't check. But when he does, the teacher is checking on that day. So technically, if I suddenly didn't do my homework, I WOULD get a bad mark in my agenda's undone homework page, but he, luckily doens't. What is my point with this? It's how he just gets lucky and never once gets at least a moral of the story. It is unfair for us who worked this prep, to have to wait and see how those who didn't, get the fair treatment each time. It isn't so much as procrastination, as it is mostly about how lucky some get with that.

Perhaps doing things in advance (not talking about working for hours), is part of my hedonistic-like nature. I seek to finish all worrying or stressing tasks, in advance, so I can enjoy life afterwards, relax and play. I try to make every second in life enjoyable, despite sometimes resorting to selfish ways to get it. Tasks, assignements, projects, all those create big stress on me. I HAVE to finish them and get rid of that worry. Otherwise, part of my brain's function, each time I enjoy something, the idea of having that task to do soon, or project, destroys my fun. See how stressed my life is?
I seek pleasure and fun in life, and it might explain my behaviour. I am also a VERY different person when I compare to my friends. I put my ethics/moralities and beleifs in the forefront, they are my valued life components to function, it is only natural to feel insulteed deep down, that someone out there is taking advantage of the illogical.
But you know what? Deep down, I've managed to find the true stuff: If we were in a perfect world, I AM THE one who would have WON.

Also, I truly doubt, people who go into highly scientific or medicinal field of work, can possibly use the last days, or nights before something, and actually get more benefit than docs who work and research a lot and work hard.
Or the same to say, graphical programmers. I fail to beleive someone who is assigned a big movie scene to create in say, 3dS Max, can do it at night, and get some jaw-dropping results. I would assume such work takes hours if not days, and for someone to actually get better results than someone who does it during the day, perhaps days before, with all the time, would truly devalorize life's meaning. I would rather just die if I realized the real truth is that people who don't work too hard, win. It would only further push the sentence: Nice guys finish last, to reality.

The only thing that keeps me going, is my determination. No matter what some will do to win, despite the way they do it, can in fact be strange, next to illogical, I will continue fighting that, I will succeed, no one will stop me from doing so, I will work hard even if I fail by that, until I win. My competitive spirit will also push that further. THAT is how determined I am, and that is what will allow me to fight this flawed world! (not a perfect one indeed!)

Anyway, I am feeling a bit better now, thanks to some's advice and POVs. I was just surprised to see that most replies were about people who are THEM, while my main question was if there were some who experienced something like I did. I guess there aren't too many...

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Reply to eden

Good to hear you are feeling better. I am sure there are a lot of people with the same problems you have, they just don't read the forums on THG.

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Reply to icy_oblivion

Lucky them, they don't have to take off their brains each time they come in!

Me.....drink.....sleep...bzzt!

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Reply to eden

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Also, I truly doubt, people who go into highly scientific or medicinal field of work, can possibly use the last days, or nights before something, and actually get more benefit than docs who work and research a lot and work hard.

Been there, that is if you consider Msc "highly scientific". Got to say, I had my fair share of "fire and forget" courses and one night wonders even there. Some went well, some just barely passed. During the first year, that is. After that, workarounds pretty much stopped working for me. Even if they miraculously did, grade was crappy.

Still, when you look at my working style, it is that of a procrastinator. I do the actual "paperwork" ALAP, and do my thinking before I even touch a keyboard. And yes, the undone stuff keeps haunting me, but in a good way. In the meantime, I more often than not come up with better ideas on how to do something by the time it actually has to be done.

Guess what, dude? You're a procrastinator, too. You just time it differently. Perhaps we could invent a new word for you, something like precrastinator... :smile:

What you're pissed about is the "Can I copy?" leeches. Don't like them much myself.

I haven't lost my mind. I know exactly where I left it.

Reply to Napoleon

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So he didn't do his prep. Gee golly, as usual, whenever HE doesn't do his homework, he doesn't get caught, the teacher doesn't check. But when he does, the teacher is checking on that day. So technically, if I suddenly didn't do my homework, I WOULD get a bad mark in my agenda's undone homework page, but he, luckily doens't.

Hmmm strange... it looks like they are positive disriminating him or something. Or he has all the luck of the world.

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Reply to svol

Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do but it'll never get you any where. - that was off of van wilder. It's so true. Why worry about things. Will it ever change their outcomes? NO it won't. so why give your self an ulcer. Oh and I when I procrastinate, it's intentional. It's not wait until the hour before and start doing it. I've done this all my life. I know what speed I work at. There is no reason to get started early. You make a guestimate at how long you think it'll take you and you do it. In school I usually ended up doing stuff inbetween periods. At work I know how long it's gonna take to do stuff so I schedule things to be done inbetween other things. Sure things can go awry but I've always managed to get everything straightened out. I personally don't think anyone who does their work in advance is better than those who do it at the last minute. It's still getting done. If you do it like I do, then you aren't stressed or worried and it's done on time. I've never been one to copy. heh. even people couldn't copy off of me. I didn't have it done in time for them to copy. Just enrich your mind in your free time. You'll find out that if you do that things come naturally and you won't have to study as much. LEARN TO BS. This is an important step. Sure you should know a little about the subject, but what you should really know is what they want to hear. Always identify what the party wants, and give it to them. They don't want to hear anything lame. It's easier to learn things you like. So always use analogies. Take the little knowledge you have of the subject matter and make an analogy to something you really like. You'll be more enthused about it and it'll sound better. I do all my presentations at work this way. Just remember what works for some doesn't work for all. My gf has a very hard time. She studies continously and tries really hard. She just can't do it like I can. It makes me feel a little bad for her, but hey there's nothing I can do. I help her study. It's hard for me. I mean we read her law books and something is so obvious to me. I've never taken law and I can point this out to her. This is her second year in college and she's still struggling with it. When I point it out to her and walk her through it, it seems to help. But I can't be there all the time. Peoples brains work differently. Some are good at taking clues and hints and making a working subject. Others aren't. If you are among those who can't don't be a poor sport. Why rain on someone else's parade just because it comes easy to them. Ultimately you shouldn't even care what other people think. You'll spend all your time trying to please them. That'll never do. Just figure out what you want out of life, and then go get it. I could have a better paying job right now. I could get at least triple my pay. But then you have to realize that if you do that you'll more than likely be working more hours. You'll have to take work home. So you have to find your medium. Pay you like, with a workload that doesn't cut into your freetime. Why wait till you retire to enjoy life. Get out there and have some fun now. I hope this helps a bit. Cheer up and have some fun.

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Reply to Yahiko81

Eden, I fell for you, man. I know alot of people like that, and when I was little, I used to be sort of like that. Bt, when I was little, I enjoyed learning and studying (believe it or not) and I was getting A+ in every subject. I always had alot of free time when I was little, so I even did uweird things (when I was bored) like write the numbers from 1 to 40,000 by hand. I did all in one evening. I was 9 at the time. Now, thought, I procrastinate, and I'm also VERY lazy. I'm probably faced with some of the worst possible qualities. I procrastinate, and these days, I do most of my work (schoolwork) the last minute. But for me, the problem is, that sometimes I don't even bother to do the work at all, because I'm too lazy, or I find it useless. I'm different from alot of other guys because my emotions control me alot. I've tried hard to keep my emotions hidden, and there has been some progress. What I can't get rid of though is my laziness. I've tried 3 years now to get rid of it. For example, right now I have a ton of homework to do, but I just can't seem to do it for some reason. I would much rather talk to some friends on msn messenger, read the THG forums, or read about computers, cars, and other stuff. I always think that there's always the weekend and I lay off some of my homework till then. Then, during the weekend, I wing it to the extreme, trying to do 2 projects in 1 day, and things like that. So basically, on average, I only put in about 50% of my effort into school. I managed to get a 71% average in grade 10 semester 2 (considering the fact that I had grade 11 chemistry, and grade 11 math). In things like engineering, I played games in class and didn't really do work, but I did find the class very interesting, and I got a 92% in that class. On the other hand, in math, I put in 2X the effort that I put into engineering, and I almost failed.

I mean, my parents have said that if I don't change, then I'm going to ruin my life, and I won't get into university. I understand that, because not only do I procrastinate, but I lose all the advantages of procrastinating because I'm lazy. Right now, I have grade 12 math (finite) and grade 12 chemistry in my semester, along with 2 grade 11 courses (law and physics). Im doing bad right now in chemistry, ok in physics, good in law, and so far, actually great in math, which I'm quite surprised about.

In general though, If I can overcome may laziness and finish my work the last minute, I usually get about an A-. But my laziness is getting stronger, and that means I do less last-minute work, which means my marks drop.

I think that the only way that I can get rid of my laziness is to put a TON of pressure on myself everyday. I reckon my mind will eventually get used to the enormous pressure and that means the laziness should dissapear, and I should be used to doing alot of work. For example, on top of school, I want to get a job on weekdays (and weekends), and do more chores around the house. That way there would be enormous pressure on me everyday. I'm very responsible, but my responsible is offset alot by my laziness. If I'm under a ton of pressure, my mind always takes over, and my logic and responsibility come into play. Then, during alot of pressure, I get a record amount of work done in minimum time. Plus, I get good marks for that work. Right now, my laziness is holding me back alot more than my procrastinating. I agree with Yahiko that different people think and learn differently, and some people are just very good at procrastinating. I myself cannot study all day, I simply lose interest. I know I have to, since in chem 12, there's a ton of stuff to either read, learn, or memorize. And all of those things take time, because although I learn quite fast, my memory is pretty bad, so I forget alot. Thus, I must continually review things, or learn things to a high degree so I won't forget. When I'm interested in something, my laziness magically dissapears and I put most of my effort into that particular task. I then get things done.

Anyways, I hope you've learned something here Eden. Also, I hope that I learned something and hopefully get rid of my laziness.

So, in conclusion, I'm very creative and smart, only when I'm not being lazy, and putting alot of effort into something.
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Edited by Dark_Archonis on 09/26/02 07:09 PM.

Reply to Dark_Archonis

While reading your reply, I was trying to find which is which.
I can't say I learned something, it's more wondering what side are you more inclined on. Are you saying without laziness, you could do work at the last minute and succeed?

Look guys, I cannot deny I procrastinate, as Napoleon said. Sometimes I say to myself: What's the rush, today's Saturday, why not just do it Sunday. However I am not a hardcore procrastinator, I know my limits, and in fact only when I schedule and planify can I possibly do such. The thing is, when you mildly procrastinate, it's not bad, I don't object that. I am starting to feel like it's not so much procrastination that bothers me, than how people who enjoy putting all work on the night before putting it back (often there is a day without X course, thus they simply do it that day, rather than the evening of X course's day that was before the day without X course)and in fact simply win. These days I can assure you, my competitive feel is up there, I pulled my muscles back up (except in sports, hehe) and started really pushing the work. I must admit, although I usually have 2 to 3 hours of homework each day (whether it's cuz I am slow or drifting to my other world, or simply that homework is long), I kinda of like it. I am a person who likes to get challenges, not physical or mental, simply work/study school challenges. I like something that makes my mind go further, I feel the need to compete that harder edge and succeed, and generally I do. In ENRICHED Science last year, on the end exam, I got 100%, while the regular Science test, I got 91%. Whether it was because the Enriched had 16 Qs while the Regular had like 30, or because indeed challenges are how I function (picture Athlon wanting HARD RAW stuff, while P4 needs simple thin slices going through, kinda like a fast food restaurant, where you got the Drive Thru lane, and the in-waiting with over 4 lines of waiting->Athlon style). I thought at first it was the former, but when some tell me they got low notes, some even failed the Enriched one, it further proves that indeed I like challenging content. It's not to say I want PROJECTS-Assignements, I don't like those much, especially video sketches, but rather studies, exams, or simply ENRICHED content. I mean I don't even know why I chose Chemistry which was optional! Initially it was to be with my friends since this is the last High School year, and if I took Physics and Chemistry courses, I'd end with them all the time in all classes as a side-effect of the schedule. But to be honest, I often take courses I don't need simply because I like to learn more. I finally realized Physics is indeed essential to me, since when I am going to work in animation, PHYSICS is one of the most important things to know, such as how reflections are set up and other.

So anyways, back to what I was saying, it's about how I like to work and learn more, while some who don't suscite(does that exist in the english language) interest just work at the last night before the day with the courses which they have work to give, and simply win. That annoys me.
But it also speaks volumes about BOTCHING work. And that's where most of that end of the day "procrastination" actually is stemming from. I am starting to beleive that indeed, most who do stuff at last minute just botch the work. As Yahiko said, "Learn to BS". I'm afraid (This is a reply to you Yahiko) this is one thing I cannot respect. I told you yahiko I will respect your choices or how to function because you don't rub it in, and you're a good dude here, but that BSing stuff, I cannot in any way respect it. It is not in my nature to botch, lie about stuff. I find it unethical, immoral, it is in my ethics which I put in front of me, not to lie. The only times I lie, are for protecting a personal value or feeling which may cost me some pain or humiliation, or to avoid a very risky situation. No I don't lie to the teacher should I ever even forget work. I don't lie, plain and simple. I don't BS, nor botch, plain and simple. I will just do it the hard way. If I have to read a 300 page book and do a report on it, I shall, not like most who skip pages and in fact create some content to make it all WOW. That's the sadness of this world, botching works anytime. Again, I remind you all, in a perfect world, I'd WIN, and that's more than enough to know deep down, I am more right because honesty pays at some point.
So no, in conclusion, I will go the raw way, not botched way, sorry yahiko, I cannot respect such decision that you suggested or possibly do. I do hope your GF will actually succeed. If she wants some memorizing tricks, let her ask me, I have a short term memory that easily can be "programmmed" to hold powerful composed content, simply by programming it well.

I talked to my friend recently, asked him if he expects to procrastinate like this in college. He in fact, to my surprise, said he won't. He claims he does this while he still can, but when it's time for College and University, it's time to be serious. While I respect such decision, I only partly do, because I beleive ALL your school life should be well organized and not filled with holes like this.

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What I can't get rid of though is my laziness.

Funny thing, and ironic, is how I was king of activity in the past, but ever since owning a comp, it all flopped. I can assume this is how your case began as well! Figure this, in primary school, we had the beep test (you know the one in the gym where you run from side to side, and you hear a beep telling you to run to the other side, and vice-versa, while the beep becomes faster by time, so that you have to run faster to reach the other side, before the beep or you're eliminated, and in the end, endure?) and, I got 11 minutes of endurance, which surprisingly, was one of, if not the best of the school! I was a dasher, my rapid running and endurances was up there. In 1999, mr PC came home, and BAM! Like a company who botches her commercials and product, INTO THE RED next day! Now, I get 4 MINUTES of endurances, and I am about 5 years older since I got my 11 minute record at 11 Y'o! Yup, the comp ate me, and it still does. That's probably 90% of laziness' source in teens these days. I am hoping in college to create a schedule (since you don't have a FULL day schedule all the week) and go to the Sport Centre in town and do some body building. I have potential, and I am critically weak now, while my body actually has a structure ready for building; this feedback came from my dad's cousin who is a major muscle dude.
So Dark, while you are also lazy, there is one thing I beleive can help, it's competition. If you can try to feel some jealousy from some people who succeed so well, and create a competitive feel inside, you WILL be pressured deep down, to win. That's how I work and yes, it works because I WANT to win. Don't pressure yourself when you don't want to.

Finally, I totally disrecommend part-time jobs during weekdays of school. This not only tightens your homework time, but it creates stress, mixing both areas of work together. I feel it can be this way because of my stressful nature, and also because when you are in the year just before college, work is extensive. I have a friend who arrives at 10 PM after work, and does his botched homework. The guy hopes to succeed this year, though I honestly DOUBT. I hope he wakes up and realizes it, I feel for his future pain. So dude, I hope you think about it, because part-time work during weekdays, hell even weekends when in high school, can truly create MORE problems.

You spoke of hiding emotions. What specifically are you talking about?

Forgive the long post, while I was thinking of replying a while ago to yahiko, I felt lazy and was very busy doing school work, to bother writing a lot, however I had time now, so I packed it all in one.

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Reply to eden

i seem to have a foot in either camp...
some things are amazingly simple to me (mostly computer related) and i can bamboozle friends and family alike.
other things, like tax returns, make me recoil in disgust and leave me with the feeling of sheer stupidity and frustration. lots of frustration.

so whenever im in my element i try to make it nice for those that cant get an immediate grip of the subject.

I am an Emotional and Intellectual Strumpet! :cool:

Reply to lhgpoobaa

He!He!
I know what you mean about the taxreturns/bills etc...
I used to pile them up in a drawer in hope of that they would magically disappear after awhile...they didn´t.

Must work more on my magic skills.

I need a sig

Reply to Jake75

Eden, why does this have to be about winning? And BSing isn't all that bad. They're are different types. You can bold face lie, and you can analogize (heh. i think i made a word up) Using analogies is not lying. It's an alternate means to show your knowledge. I still don't see why you think you would win in a perfect world? I think for you a perfect world is a world in which things always go your way. I dare say that I would not want to live in such a world. Everything may go my way, but then what? What's the point in living? Where are the challenges? Where is the fun. How many people are going to suffer because everything went my way? Perfect worlds do not exist. They never will. So while it's good that you are using that as a coping mechanizm you should really just try to let it go. Just remember this. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. If you never fail, will you ever really learn anything?

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Reply to Yahiko81

I remembered that thread where truthfullness and hard work got you on the top,

and bs got you over the top, like 103%, but heh,
life is about choices.

Reply to globe111

Yes life is about choices. You should choose what works for you. It may take a while to figure it out, but it'll eventually come to you.

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Reply to Yahiko81

I wish that type of insight would come sooner in life. Like when you're 18 and leaving school, and have to make important decisions that will probably affect the rest of your life.

:eek: Wingding - political correctness in reverse :eek:

Reply to WingDing

How come? Did you take the wrong decision?

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Reply to svol

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Written by Eden
Funny thing, and ironic, is how I was king of activity in the past, but ever since owning a comp, it all flopped. I can assume this is how your case began as well! Figure this, in primary school, we had the beep test (you know the one in the gym where you run from side to side, and you hear a beep telling you to run to the other side, and vice-versa, while the beep becomes faster by time, so that you have to run faster to reach the other side, before the beep or you're eliminated, and in the end, endure?) and, I got 11 minutes of endurance, which surprisingly, was one of, if not the best of the school! I was a dasher, my rapid running and endurances was up there. In 1999, mr PC came home, and BAM! Like a company who botches her commercials and product, INTO THE RED next day! Now, I get 4 MINUTES of endurances, and I am about 5 years older since I got my 11 minute record at 11 Y'o! Yup, the comp ate me, and it still does. That's probably 90% of laziness' source in teens these days. I am hoping in college to create a schedule (since you don't have a FULL day schedule all the week) and go to the Sport Centre in town and do some body building. I have potential, and I am critically weak now, while my body actually has a structure ready for building; this feedback came from my dad's cousin who is a major muscle dude.
So Dark, while you are also lazy, there is one thing I beleive can help, it's competition. If you can try to feel some jealousy from some people who succeed so well, and create a competitive feel inside, you WILL be pressured deep down, to win. That's how I work and yes, it works because I WANT to win. Don't pressure yourself when you don't want to.

Finally, I totally disrecommend part-time jobs during weekdays of school. This not only tightens your homework time, but it creates stress, mixing both areas of work together. I feel it can be this way because of my stressful nature, and also because when you are in the year just before college, work is extensive. I have a friend who arrives at 10 PM after work, and does his botched homework. The guy hopes to succeed this year, though I honestly DOUBT. I hope he wakes up and realizes it, I feel for his future pain. So dude, I hope you think about it, because part-time work during weekdays, hell even weekends when in high school, can truly create MORE problems.

You spoke of hiding emotions. What specifically are you talking about?

Now that you mention it, I got my computer back in 1995, and that's sort of when I became lazy. I'm still trying to figure out if though I got lazy due to the "North American lifestyle". I'm originally from Russia, and life there is alot different than in North America. In North America, people seem to be alot more lazy than in Russia, and I remember when I was a little kid, I had no laziness at all in me. I believe, the "North American lifestyle" combined with a computer, cause this laziness in me. I'm very competitive if I'm interested in something, otherwise, my competitiveness is smothered by my laziness. I'm still thinking whether or not I should get a job, even though I REALLY NEED CASH.

About the emotions, I meant that sometimes I can be very emotional, and recently, my emotions have surfaced. In practical terms, it makes me alot more social. In the past few days I have been filled with emotion (probably because I really like this girl :wink: ) for the past few days, and now I can very freely talk to anyone. In other words, I'm not embarrased to talk to girls, or anything like that. I sort of used to be. Now, I noticed I talk alot more with girls, and I just talk to friends and classmates alot more than I used to. I feel that a huge wave of confidence has come over me. I don't really know why, but I was hiding these emotions, or at least trying to sustain them, because I thought I was going to return to my wild childhood self again. Now though, I don't care. I'm letting go of anything that I've ever held back mentally.

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