Can't connect on extended network

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"Paul in Redland" <paulinredland@msn.com> wrote in message
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> At home I can connect to my ISP with my laptop using a cable connected to
my
> phone ( LG vx7000 ) and the laptop's USB port. No problems, everything
works
> great. This weekend I was out of town, and the phone was roaming on the
> Extended network. No matter what I did, I couldn't get a connection. The
> computer would always give the message that the other computer didn't
> respond, and always 5 seconds after the call was dialed. I unplugged the
> phone from the laptop and dialed the number manually, after the call was
> answered, I heard all the normal modem sounds, although it was longer than
5
> seconds for the call to be answered. Now that I'm back in my home area,
> there's no problem connecting. Is there some thing that needs to be
'turned
> on' to get this setup to work on the extended network? I haven't talked
with
> VZW yet, I thought I'd ask here first.
>
> TIA
> Paul
>
>

Do you have the number set up as #777 or did you call direct? Not all
extended networks use the number #777. If you got a response that quick (5
seconds) sounds like you are trying to connect direct instead of dialing a
number and doing the modem negotiation thing.
Not all extended networks will do high speed, you may have to do the low
speed qwk2net thing and dial the number direct (i've only had that happen a
few times, and they are getting less and less, but to my knowledge, extended
network is voice only (and may or may not support data).

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"Paul in Redland" <paulinredland@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> I don't know about the #777 thing. I had the software dial the ISP direct,
> area code + 7 digit number. Not trying to do anything high speed, only
> 9.6k for email. It's like the 'can't connect' error message comes up b/4
> the server even answers the incoming ring. What is qwk2net?
> Paul
>

qwk2net is quick 2 net, about 14.4KB, circuit switched, call the number
directly (7 or 10 digit), works on most verizon and extended networks. Can
usually be set up on your system with no extra software.

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"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
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> None of the roaming partners in Oregon permit data connections for Verizon
> users. Neither QNC, 1X, or dialing one's own ISP work here in Oregon.
>
> The only marginal way to get data when roaming here in Oregon is with an
> analog cellular modem and appropriate phone (which is tricky to find and
> setup. www.ositech.com has some).
>
> I've been told that data roaming can work on some carriers, although I've
> never encountered one...
>
> -Dan
>
> --
> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
> http://cell.uoregon.edu
>

Strange, I connected no problem with QNC in Oregon, but on the extended
network rather than roaming.. Must be something to do with your roaming
partner locally since it didn't affect my use on extended. Were you in an
analog roaming area by chance?

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Sorry, it's not native verizon, but no way in heck is it roaming at 69 cents
a minute..


"Jerome Zelinske" <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Extended network is roaming.
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
>> newstadnQZjHsvb0c_cRVn-gg@comcast.com...
>>
>>>None of the roaming partners in Oregon permit data connections for
>>>Verizon users. Neither QNC, 1X, or dialing one's own ISP work here in
>>>Oregon.
>>>
>>>The only marginal way to get data when roaming here in Oregon is with an
>>>analog cellular modem and appropriate phone (which is tricky to find and
>>>setup. www.ositech.com has some).
>>>
>>>I've been told that data roaming can work on some carriers, although I've
>>>never encountered one...
>>>
>>>-Dan
>>>
>>>--
>>>Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
>>>http://cell.uoregon.edu
>>>
>>
>>
>> Strange, I connected no problem with QNC in Oregon, but on the extended
>> network rather than roaming.. Must be something to do with your roaming
>> partner locally since it didn't affect my use on extended. Were you in an
>> analog roaming area by chance?

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By that definition, there must be no verizon network, cuz technically you
are roaming, but don't get charged for roaming

Point is there are essentially 3 things, not two.. Verizon Native, Extended
Network, Roaming.


"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Peter Pan wrote:
>
>> Sorry, it's not native verizon, but no way in heck is it roaming at 69
>> cents a minute..
>
> Technically, extended network *is* roaming. It's just roaming where you
> don't get charged for roaming.
>
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Thanks Jerome, one of the problems I've seen, is that people who have older
plans (like single rate), or other carriers, assume that since there is no
roaming on them that they have to pay for separately, that all features and
functions should be available at all times, and assume that they can use
data/sms/voicemail etc whenever they get a signal.
From the subject of this thread ("Can't connect on extended network" ), many
people assume that *ALL* services are available, no matter what they are on.
Before we got too far afield, I always found voice is absolutely available
on all 3 types. Data/VM/SMS etc is available on 100% of verizon native
systems, but less than 100% of extended (voice always is available, and is
part of the plan), and on roaming, less than 100% (some percentage even less
than extended) and you get charged for voice calls too.
The OP assumed that just because he was on the "extended network" he should
be able to use data all the time just like on the native network.
Unfortunately not, and there are even less data services available when
roaming.

Don't know what the answer is, maybe someone here has some ideas, but users
seem to assume that cellphones should work at all times for everything other
than voice. For god's sakes.. they are for VOICE communications!







"Jerome Zelinske" <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, there are three things. 1)verizon's network, 2)extended network
> which is roaming where the carrier being roamed on charges verizon little
> enough that verizon can still make money, and 3)roaming carriers where
> verizon has to charge extra for to make a profit.
>

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"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
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>> Strange, I connected no problem with QNC in Oregon, but on the extended
>> network rather than roaming.. Must be something to do with your roaming
>> partner locally since it didn't affect my use on extended. Were you in an
>> analog roaming area by chance?
>
> By roaming I mean simply mean roaming, extended or otherwise. I do care
> if I end up paying for the call, but that's secondary to any capability I
> may have (or not have). So, friendly, and non-friendly AC roaming aside,
> I have literally NEVER seen any sort of data (save analog assisted MNP 10
> PCMCIA 9600/4800baud) work anywhere in Oregon.
>
> Places where data works in Oregon today is only Verizon's native network:
> This is only the NW corner of the state of Oregon. All QNC, 1x, and
> dialing your own ISP do work on Verizon's native network.
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c [...] item=popup
> This is the area (imagine a rectangle) drawn between Astoria Oregon,
> Woodland WA and Cottage Grove and Florence Oregon (this is the area I5 to
> the coast, from just south of Eugene north).
>
> I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe anyone who says they've got
> standard data connections to work while roaming in Oregon. I've spent an
> obscene amount of time trying to get data to work when roaming on each of
> the roaming partners in Oregon. None have worked for me. Even Sprint's
> QNC and their respective username and password (webweb), and dialing my
> own ISP when on Sprint has failed with multiple handsets. Anyway, I'd
> love to hear very specifically what you did to get it working. Short of
> that, I'll assume the connection flipped into a native Verizon connection
> without you realizing it.
>
> -Dan
>
> --
> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
> http://cell.uoregon.edu
>

As I recall it was in Hermiston (Northwest part of OR Off I-84), stayed the
night in a motel there and used a cell tethered to my laptop (on the way to
Hell's Canyon).

There are 3 type of connections with AC, native, extended, and roaming.
While the native is 100% data compatible, extended is less than 100% and
roaming is also less than 100% and costs per minute. I would suspect that it
is more likely that since I was near a junction of two highways (315 and
84), it was most likely an extended that does data.

Note it was extended network, not roaming.

Have you tried going more towards the 5 and trying the data? When I went to
Crater Lake a few years ago it worked by the 5, but was voice only when I
went east on 138.

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Technically I suppose it is, but I have my phones set to "never roam" and
digital only so I don't have to worry about charges or non digital, and it
still works on extended. If I need it on a roaming thing for an emergency, I
just change the menu to allow roaming. Not real good for always getting a
signal, but I really don't care if anyone reaches me in the fringe areas.
I've been living and traveling in my RV full time in the West for about 6
years now, and use email, since most of my friends and family are back in
the eastern and central time zones (time warp). If I had to guess I'd say I
use it about 99.99% for data.



"Jerome Zelinske" <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Extended network is roaming. You are not on verizon's network. verizon
> does not say that anything but voice will work on extended network, and
> they do not say it will be digital voice. It may be analogue.
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
>> news:u82dnR2HgsVaa8ncRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
>>
>>>>Strange, I connected no problem with QNC in Oregon, but on the extended
>>>>network rather than roaming.. Must be something to do with your roaming
>>>>partner locally since it didn't affect my use on extended. Were you in
>>>>an analog roaming area by chance?
>>>
>>>By roaming I mean simply mean roaming, extended or otherwise. I do care
>>>if I end up paying for the call, but that's secondary to any capability I
>>>may have (or not have). So, friendly, and non-friendly AC roaming aside,
>>>I have literally NEVER seen any sort of data (save analog assisted MNP 10
>>>PCMCIA 9600/4800baud) work anywhere in Oregon.
>>>
>>>Places where data works in Oregon today is only Verizon's native network:
>>>This is only the NW corner of the state of Oregon. All QNC, 1x, and
>>>dialing your own ISP do work on Verizon's native network.
>>>http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobileoptions/nationalaccess/serviceAvailability.jsp?action=view&item=popup
>>>This is the area (imagine a rectangle) drawn between Astoria Oregon,
>>>Woodland WA and Cottage Grove and Florence Oregon (this is the area I5 to
>>>the coast, from just south of Eugene north).
>>>
>>>I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe anyone who says they've got
>>>standard data connections to work while roaming in Oregon. I've spent an
>>>obscene amount of time trying to get data to work when roaming on each of
>>>the roaming partners in Oregon. None have worked for me. Even Sprint's
>>>QNC and their respective username and password (webweb), and dialing my
>>>own ISP when on Sprint has failed with multiple handsets. Anyway, I'd
>>>love to hear very specifically what you did to get it working. Short of
>>>that, I'll assume the connection flipped into a native Verizon connection
>>>without you realizing it.
>>>
>>>-Dan
>>>
>>>--
>>>Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
>>>http://cell.uoregon.edu
>>>
>>
>>
>> As I recall it was in Hermiston (Northwest part of OR Off I-84), stayed
>> the night in a motel there and used a cell tethered to my laptop (on the
>> way to Hell's Canyon).
>>
>> There are 3 type of connections with AC, native, extended, and roaming.
>> While the native is 100% data compatible, extended is less than 100% and
>> roaming is also less than 100% and costs per minute. I would suspect that
>> it is more likely that since I was near a junction of two highways (315
>> and 84), it was most likely an extended that does data.
>>
>> Note it was extended network, not roaming.
>>
>> Have you tried going more towards the 5 and trying the data? When I went
>> to Crater Lake a few years ago it worked by the 5, but was voice only
>> when I went east on 138.
>>
>>

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As long as you have the ositech and tether.. If you ever decide to take the
Ferry to Alaska, that's all analog along the inside passage, and pretty much
all over Alaska except in a few cities, but I used to just start the
notebook in the cabin, go eat or something, come back and it was done....
Come to think of it, here in Nevada it's mostly Analog too. Even on a boat
on lake mead. Now I'm in Vegas and getting Broadband (whoosh... a whole lot
faster than analog!)

Fraid I never paid attention to what I am on, I am single and travel a lot
in my RV, so when I stop for gas/food/etc It either works or doesn't. If it
does, then I just get my email, if not I just travel on (or pop up the sat
dish/fire up the gen, and watch a movie on HBO



"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
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>> As I recall it was in Hermiston (Northwest part of OR Off I-84), stayed
>> the night in a motel there and used a cell tethered to my laptop (on the
>> way to Hell's Canyon).
>
> You're correct that this would be a roaming area. The options for roaming
> in Hermiston Oregon include Sprint, US Cellular, and AT&T (analog). From
> your prior message I gather you had digital signal and dialed your own ISP
> directly. I have tried this in Pendleton, but not hermiston -- come to
> think of it I've never stayed in Hermiston although I cannot count the
> number of times I've driven through and seen their signs for the water
> mellon festival.
>
>> would suspect that it is more likely that since I was near a junction of
>> two highways (315 and 84), it was most likely an extended that does data.
>
> Verizon has a very strong native network in Idaho. Oregon is one of their
> weak states in the sense that much of the provided coverage is in fact
> roaming. I've found my Verizon phone works most anywhere any other phone
> could at least for voice calls. I just haven't had your good fortune when
> dialing an ISP, QNC, etc.
>
>> Have you tried going more towards the 5 and trying the data? When I went
>> to Crater Lake a few years ago it worked by the 5, but was voice only
>> when I went east on 138.
>
> Yes, and where 138 meets I5 specifically. I have had a palm phone for
> around 4 years, and had the ability to make PPP connections both directly
> from that device and tethered from laptop. Do you remember which carrier
> you were roaming on? In this area of I5, you would have Sprint, US
> Cellular and Racell of Oregon as possibles. Depending on PRL version, it
> could have been any of the three. In the past year and a half, all 3 of
> them were preferred over the others (Ramcell having just been recently
> added to the PRL at all, but currently preferred over the other two).
>
> Here's the things I typically try:
>
> Dial my own ISP's phone number with appropriate username and password.
> Test this configuration from Verizon native area to verify it works, then
> dial it on the road when roaming. I've tried dialing #777 with
> username=qnc, password=qnc. I've tried dialing #2932 when roaming sprint
> digitally, with username and password= web, I've also tried 1x data (dial
> #777, with phonenumber@vzw3g.com, password vzw -- with appropriate AT
> command to select 3G vs. 2G). I've basically tried all the permuations
> with at least six different Verizon cell phones and never had this work
> for me. I have both PC and Mac laptops when I travel, and use data from
> each.
>
> Anyway, I do appreciate your report. I'm glad it works for you, and hope
> someday to discover the magic combination of factors that allows this to
> work for me. In the meantime I tether my Nokia 3285 to a ositech.com
> PCMCIA analog modem and connect between 4800 baud (ouch!) and 9600 baud on
> a good day. WIth compression I might get 19,200 if I'm really lucky
> (which I've only seen happen once). Of course, I try standard modes of
> data first, mainly to get faster connect speed, but like I say, haven't
> had this work for me.
>
> -Dan
>
> --
> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
> http://cell.uoregon.edu
>
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