I am gonna be away from the forums for a little bit, going through a probable divorce, so I wont be around as much, I still want the mod job as it wont start for a while and I will be set up in my new domocile by then.
PS: im the initiator not the victim of said divorce so dont feel bad for me.
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Anyway good luck and come back soon.
PS: be careful with the kids if you have them.
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well good luck budd. hope it all works out.
Hammie sends you his love
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You just have the worst luck....
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If you can PM me should you not want to discuss publicly, I am curious to know what happened?
Whatever happened, it must have been the two of you not just you man, so I hope things work out. I even hope you might reconsider it. These days marriage is no longer the venerated movement it was before...
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Sorry to hear that. I hope you don't have any kids and can make a clean break. Look at this positively. Now you can date!
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Congrats, I just wrapped up mine in July.
Ahh, finally free from the Purgatory!
Well if you dont have kids everything will be okay, if you do well then....good luck pal, your goint to take it big time.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
2 kids, 400/month child support.
She still wants to work it out, but i am done about fed up, im not shutting her down most viciously though, its still amicable, but she did swipe my computer(im getting it back but she still took it which pissed me off)
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You're pretty young though. Any chance to just sit down and work it out? I realize us guys hate talking about things like this, but maybe you just need to talk it out with your wife.
I don't know....I'd do anything to be with my wife. Everyone has problems. You just have to work them out.
Hopefully it's not unworkable...
Good luck either way.
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yeah. never get between a man and his true love
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Damn, kids, I'm sorry that changes the whole ball game. If I had kids I probably would have been more willing to work out the problems. I'm sure (hope) you've exhausted every available option to you. Well, good luck to you man.
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hey dude... sorry for what happened. None of us are perfect, and we all slip at times. All we can do though, is learn from our mistakes and apply them also. Since you do have kids, always show them your love, and do what's best for them... not what they would want. Kids will always be kids, and they may not know what's best for them, but you do. Spending time w/ them will never substitute things you may buy for them, so be cool w/ them and spend all the time you can w/ them, even if it means cutting back on time here in the forums... your personal life is more important than a forum... or atleast do it for the kids... show them that you care so that your wife can see divorce was a mistake and you 2 can get back 2gether.
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boy did i sure sound like a priest!! sorry... didn't mean to. I usualy get a bit carried away at times w/ this kinda talk. I cosider myself to be good at consolidating people, but perhaps in my last post i sounded a bit long and boring, and if so, i didn't mean that. I only meant good to you and i only say it to help... not to hurt.
The greatest risk of all is not taking one!
I hope you can work it out, and take the advice from other peoples around. Yoe have to learn from mistakes from others, because you don't live long enough to make them all your self.
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Ay ay, hope it turns out good. Good luck.
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Mat,
sorry to hear about that.
I have been married for some time now, and there isnt a perfect couple that I have met yet!
Thats bad ofcourse, but its also good! Because you know that you are not the only one going through this "drama".
You are a smart man I know, and if you really wanted to- you could make it work.
When you debate here, you dont quit untill your guns are melted, and when they are melted you still dont quit!
Persuade yourself you love her, and then persuade her too!
Good luck!
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When you look across the street to the grass there , it looks greener.
So you walk over there and get down on your knees to take a better look, then you notice that it's exactly the same grass.
Then you notice the grass across the street again, it looks greener...
So much wasted time and energy on personal "dramas" as globe says.
Your going to die my friend, at any moment, your going to die...now...do you still feel like going through it all?
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It's the children that matter the most.
F*ck our poor little ego.
Oh! MY wife is so so bad to me...hahaha
If she is bad to the children, that's different!
I can easely suffer a bit for my kids.
More than a bit...
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We talked and she has one more chance, I do wanna work it out for the kid's sake, this weekend has been good and she seems to honestly want to change the problems.
I'll keep thg updated(as if you guys cared heh)
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I care.
It is a sensitive topic.
I didn't know what to say.
Congratulations on trying to work it out.
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I love you guys ::sniffle::
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...there there...it'll be okay.....just let it all out...
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Mat I'm glad things are looking better. Our lives as parents are tightly bound to our children as well as the wife. As much as you both annoy one another from time to time it's all a part of the marriage (in good times & bad/ for better & worst). If you can work through the worst then the better will make a big difference in your children's life later on. You still are one of my favorite people here, because you that heart! Keep on keeping on.
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The kids, I know.
I wonder just how much they see in their parents eyes as far as them being happy or not. Perhaps it finally is better to be seperate but let them see happiness in their father and mother's eyes. Perhaps it's worst to "fake" a relationship for the sake of the kids.
Actually I'm talking to myself
But good luck to you
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pike you are worrying me.
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Pike has been worrying me too. But I didn't have the balls to say it first.
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Enough said!
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Thanks for caring...we all have our personal life dramas, mine is not very different...perhaps only cause I'm SEEING mine unfold in front of me...man, it's moving fast at the moment...I move from total despere and infinit loneliness in the morning to total bliss and infinit love in the afternoon...there's a balance that's going to be struck any day now!
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...and what happens in the evening?
Hey Matisaro, I didn't catch this thread until just now. (I really should check the 'Other' section more often...)
So anywho, I just wanted to say that I hope everything works out for the best, whatever that best may be. Obviously if you're even thinking divorce, then something is up. Talking it and walking it mean there's a significant problem somewhere. Maybe it can be worked out. Maybe it can't.
Some relationships last longer than others. People grow. People change. And sometimes, people don't. Because of that, sometimes relationships change too. Sometimes those differences can be worked out, and some times it's just best to walk seperate ways when these things happen. There's nothing 'wrong' there. It's life.
So if it's meant to be, then I hope things work out. If not, I hope you, the wife, and the kids all manage to do well anyway. Good luck to you. And if you feel 'guilty' for being 'selfish', don't. In the end what really matters is that <i>your</i> life is about <i>you</i> first, period. Anyone who says differently is just a martyr.
So just do what's best for you and everything else will fall into place.
Don't worry about the kids. They'll turn out fine, or they won't. It's never really up to the parents. They're individuals after all, with their own minds and their own hearts. In the end they'll do what they will whether you 'teach' them to or not. So don't worry about them.
And don't worry about the wife either. She may not see it now, but if the relationship isn't going to work out, it'll do no one any good to 'stick it out', perhaps her most/least of all. Maybe someone else is out there who is 'perfect' for her, and she'd never have found had your relationship not 1) taught her something about herself and what she wants, and 2) ended to allow her to move on.
We never know what the future brings. So don't worry about it. Whatever is meant to happen will happen. Why? Because that's just how things work out. Heh heh. So just make sure not to neglect yourself in this, and be good to everyone.
Blah blah. I know. I'm <i>always</i> long-winded. So sue me.
I just wanted you to know though that there's at least someone out here who isn't going to tell you that you 'should' (or even 'shouldn't) get back together. Just do what feels right. And if you want to talk, send an email my way. I'll try to answer within 48 hours. **ROFL**
Don't bother PMing though. I read those even less often than I visit the 'Other' section.
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| Quote : Don't worry about the kids. They'll turn out fine, or they won't. It's never really up to the parents. They're individuals after all, with their own minds and their own hearts. In the end they'll do what they will whether you 'teach' them to or not. So don't worry about them. |
Are you really sure about that? Little kids can get lots of psychological damage by divorces which can give them problems when they grow older.
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| Quote : Are you really sure about that? Little kids can get lots of psychological damage by divorces which can give them problems when they grow older. |
Only if they <i>choose</i> to be damaged by it. Phychological 'damage' is simply holding on to the past. The only people who get 'damaged' are the ones that can't let go of an issue. And believe me, if it isn't divorce, it'll be something else, or someone else. People who suffer psychological trauma like that don't need any one event. They'll find something, whether you give it to them or not. There are <i>always</i> things that can traumatize people, and no parent in the world can protect their kids from all of them.
Besides, no parent in the world <i>should</i> protect their kids from all of them. The purpose of a parent is to raise your kids to be self-sufficient and strong individuals. They have to learn to be themselves. You can't raise anyone to be like that if you're constantly coddling them and holding their hand everywhere you go. At some point in time a parent has to let their kid run around and get a scraped knee. Or in this case, let their kid understand that relationships don't always work out and though you still love them, you won't always be there for them.
Yeah, sure, they'll probably be upset for a while. Maybe they'll even grow up hating you. (Though that's extremely rare from what I've heard as even when that does happen, usually at some point in their life they change their mind and decide to get to know their long-lost parent.) But the point is, there will be plenty of things in their life that can 'emotionally scar' them. The sooner they get used to it and learn that you can get through them without it being the end of the world, then the stronger they'll be when they grow up.
The most mature people that I've ever met have come out of divorced (and/or otherwise 'abnormal') homes. In <i>most</i> of them the kids had great relationships with both parents still. In the cases that didn't, it was always because one parent or another was not behaving like a good parent. (I.E. ignoring the kid and/or 'buying' their affection with gifts instead of time spent with them, or even in one case where the mother kept telling lies about the father so that the kids never trusted him, even though he was the nicest guy in the world.)
But if you love your kids and show it, then your relationship with them won't really suffer. I mean sooner or later they'll grow up and move out of the home anyway. How often do you see them then? Changing/ending relationships are just a part of life.
Besides, we <i>all</i> could probably use a good visit with a shrink every now and then just to get $#!+ off of our chests. Why deprive them of the opportunity?
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You have a healthy curiousity!
I like that. Good for you.
Just this afternoon i bought 4 books:
Bhagva gita
On being an angel
Soul Mates
And a nice 4 pack of Christian books about Psalms, Jesus, meditations and a fourth (I forget)
Tonight, comming to work for the night shift, i felt as if I was driving in Heaven! What can I say! I alone am responsible for MY reality, and I CHOOSE heaven!
take care my friend
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I don't think anyone chooses to be damaged by a unhealthy family. People don't choose to hold onto the past. They don't choose to repress memories and hold deep seated grudges. I think you're thinking of older children, Matts are young. Young children are flexible, but not indestructible. They need good role models and a healthy family life to grow up with. Divorce is not a scraped knee.
Parent's mean everything to children. That doesn't mean they can't be everything while being divorced (as you said), but marriage shouldn't just be brushed off as a legal binding and nothing more. It's "supposed" to be the most sacred bond two people can have.
Besides, that, everyone comes from a screwed up family. Why make it worse if you don't have to? Some things are worth fighting for, and if you got to the point of marriage I should hope that you would do everything and anything to save it.
Maybe that's just me though. I would do anything for my wife, anything. If I had kids, I'm sure I'd do even more.
In the end though I still think that if two people can't stand each other they'll probably do more damage to their kids by staying together than by divorcing. It should be the last step in a very long process of trying to work things out.
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| Quote : don't think anyone chooses to be damaged by a unhealthy family. People don't choose to hold onto the past. They don't choose to repress memories and hold deep seated grudges. I think you're thinking of older children, Matts are young. Young children are flexible, but not indestructible. They need good role models and a healthy family life to grow up with. Divorce is not a scraped knee. |
I couldn't agree more.
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Yeah, I can't beleive now divorce is like a hobby.
Looking in the past, it was the devil's move.
Still, my home country really has a RARE amount of divorces, thank goodness for traditionalist attitudes.
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What it all boils down to is taking responsabilty for one's actions. We made the kids so what if we get divorced? As long as you committment to your child (children) is ongoing the kid will grow up happy. Divorces are a fact of life and kids with divorced parents no longer feel (or are made to feel)like oddballs.
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Just to play the devil's advocate: how come for years divorces were uncommon? Are they really a fact of life? Or is it just people getting tired of their husband/wife and wanting out instead of taking the time to work things out?
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I think divorces are more accepted socially so people don't feel pressured to stay in an unhappy relationship. Plus the grass is ALWAYS GREENER on the other side, We do the same thing with computers we upgrade our video cards and then play the same old games at the same resolution only to upgrade again. We live in a consumer driven society and that applies to marriages also. We have very short attention spans and...what was my point again?????
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That divorce is a fact of life.
In a world without <font color=red>walls </font color=red>or <font color=green>fences </font color=green>, what use have we for <font color=red>Windows </font color=red>or <font color=green>Gates.</font color=green>
Being in the Navy I see alot of divorces in a year. My ship just got back from a six month deployment in the Gulf and there's been quite a few breakups. Some were the fault of the sailors (screwing around). Alot of them were just because their partners really didn't realize how tough being a Navy spouse is. Ask my wife. It looks like I'll be sent to Halifax (at the opposite end of the country) to take a Submariners course in January. So this year I've been goe for a total of nine months and nest year that course will have me away for ten. I have a 23 month old son, do the math.
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I agree there are very hard times in a marriage, and at times they will not work out. But there are a lot of cases where the couple is just not willing to work out the problems.
If your wife will put up with you being away so much I really have to respect her. And it must be hard on you to not be able to see your wife or your son. But I hope it all works out well in your situation.
If you do end up going to Halifax, I hope it isn't for the winter. Here in Victoria we get some nice mild winters.
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You caught me off guard. I didn't realize you were from Victoria. I'm originally from Ontario but my wife is from here. You have to take the good with the bad. Tina and I met when she was a tourist in Hawaii and my ship (at the time HMCS Algonquin) (now I'm on HMCS Ottawa) was on a 3 1/2 month trip. We met in Hawaii in '96 and got married there in '99 when she fles in to meet me while I was on HMCS Huron (on a 3 month trip that time). Then in 2000 she flew in to meet me again because I was back on Algonquin on a 4 month trip. The last two flights were paid for by the Armed Forces because if we're gone for more than 90 days they will pay to fly us home or fly our wives in to meet us (we pay our own hotels). So she understands what I do but it's still hard for her when she loses her partner for so long. Some women give up or decide to give their husbands an ultimatum: get out or become single again. Most chose to stay in the Navy and end up volunteering for a 6 month trip just to get away.
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I have 3 friends who have gotten divorced, out of four friends who have gotten married.
1. Friend one, a good friend, we told him not to marry her. She was a horrible person and they were divorced in less than a year, but with a kid.
2. Friend two, more of an aquantence, one kid, divorced. Not sure why. He just advises people to not get married to avoid getting divorced.
3. Friend three, married friend one's sister, three kids, divorced because sister lost her mind. I don't understand at all why they couldn't work things out until she was able to cope with life again.
All in all, 5 kids (not including the fact that the women in 1 and 2 both had 1 kid in a previous marraige that they abandoned), so that's 7 kids affected by divorce out of my married friends.
That of course doesn't include one other friend who is married, has no kids, but cheats (or trys) on his wife every 5 seconds. That won't last.
Really sad imop.
Fact of life or just a bunch of people getting married when they shouldn't? People not trying hard enough? I don't know, depends on your experiences.
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I think it depends a lot on the person's true commitment to the marriage from the start. And how well they keep their word. They said, 'for better or for worse,' the real question is how many people are willing to stick to that and work out their problems when the worse comes around?
I am not married myself, but if you haven't noticed, I have a very idealistic outlook that I can speak well, and won't know if I can live it till I get married. And that doesn't look like it will happen any time soon.
In a world without <font color=red>walls </font color=red>or <font color=green>fences </font color=green>, what use have we for <font color=red>Windows </font color=red>or <font color=green>Gates.</font color=green>
That's the thing, I keep telling people NOT TO TAKE stuff for granted, now marriage lies there. People now consider it a hobby as well, so they think they can easily rat out by divorcing. Ultimately they should create a sub-marriage level, one where they stick together legally until they believe they belong together, then get married and get the marriage laws.
Seriously, I don't beleive in those love at first sight=marriage situations, personally, unless you have lived or been with the person for at least a year, forget marriage, you're only rushing things and closing the gap on finding more secrets or stuff about the other, you never knew.
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They have those laws in Sweden. Different culture though and many feel that marraige isn't necessary.
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