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September 22, 2004 11:18:19 PM

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Does anyone use this? Is it any good? How does it compare to DSL? I
see where they are opening it up to more areas and I am interested.

Thanks

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Anonymous
September 23, 2004 3:45:39 AM

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"Scott" <Refused@Refused.com> wrote in message
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> Actually Verizon is expanding its wireless braodband access to a city
> where I live. I was interested in it and was wondering how it stacked
> up against DSL.
>
> This is access using the PC 5220 PCMCIA card
>
>
>
It depends on the type/speed of the DSL. Depending on your
location/speed/cost etc the DSL could actually be way slower than broadband
via cell. Usually the broadband via cell is about 800-1200Kb, DSL is
generally 384, 768, 1500 Kb. So some are cheaper/slower, some are more
expensive/faster.

For me, the most important question is where you are gonna use it.. I use
the laptop (with the card) in the backyard, on the way to work, at work, at
a restaurant etc, on my boat, in the RV when traveling etc, heck it's a
laptop, I use it wherever my lap is... whereas the DSL can only work at the
place it is installed at. Do you move around? in that case, no contest..

If you only compute in one place, then DSL may be for you.

Actually, there is one other important question I almost forgot.. Do you
play real time games online at home? If so, then only DSL has the ping
time/speed you need.
Anonymous
September 23, 2004 4:37:50 PM

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Scott,

I've had the 5220 card for several months, and have used the new EV-DO
broadband access from Verizon Wireless when visting cities such as San Diego
where it was initially available. Verizon is rolling out this service in
several more cities beginning Monday, 9/27, including my home town here.

When I was in San Diego a few weeks back, EV-DO wireless broadband worked
great! It was like having WiFi access everywhere I went: at the airport,
in a cab or bus, in the hotel room, at the park, etc. I consistently had
about 800Mbps download speeds.

For those of you reading this that aren't aware, Verizon Wireless' 3G EV-DO
broadband service is not "WiFi", but is broadband Internet service based on
their CDMA cellular phone service. Goto http://www.verizonwireless.com and
click the Broadband Access link for more information.

-Reed
MS MVP
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September 23, 2004 6:14:41 PM

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Thanks. Thats the kind of information that I was looking for. Can't
wait to try it out.


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:37:50 -0500, "Reed Rinn" <reedNO@SPAMrinn.com>
wrote:

>Scott,
>
>I've had the 5220 card for several months, and have used the new EV-DO
>broadband access from Verizon Wireless when visting cities such as San Diego
>where it was initially available. Verizon is rolling out this service in
>several more cities beginning Monday, 9/27, including my home town here.
>
>When I was in San Diego a few weeks back, EV-DO wireless broadband worked
>great! It was like having WiFi access everywhere I went: at the airport,
>in a cab or bus, in the hotel room, at the park, etc. I consistently had
>about 800Mbps download speeds.
>
>For those of you reading this that aren't aware, Verizon Wireless' 3G EV-DO
>broadband service is not "WiFi", but is broadband Internet service based on
>their CDMA cellular phone service. Goto http://www.verizonwireless.com and
>click the Broadband Access link for more information.
>
>-Reed
> MS MVP
>
Anonymous
September 26, 2004 3:24:02 AM

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Peter Pan wrote:
> Interesting..I used to think broadband was 1 meg or faster.

Broadband has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with delivery
method. I forget the exact technical details but cable, ISDN and DSL are all
broadband. (And ISDN only goes up to 128K either way)

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Anonymous
September 26, 2004 1:39:11 PM

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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Peter Pan wrote:
> > Interesting..I used to think broadband was 1 meg or faster.
>
> Broadband has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with delivery
> method. I forget the exact technical details but cable, ISDN and DSL are
all
> broadband. (And ISDN only goes up to 128K either way)

IIRC, broadband is defined as a type of data transmission in which a single
medium can carry several channels at the same time. As you state, it has
nothing to do with speed.
Anonymous
September 26, 2004 10:35:14 PM

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Joe Kaffe wrote:
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:cj5n87$9mv$3@ratbert.glorb.com...
>
>>Peter Pan wrote:
>>
>>>Interesting..I used to think broadband was 1 meg or faster.
>>
>>Broadband has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with delivery
>>method. I forget the exact technical details but cable, ISDN and DSL are
>
> all
>
>>broadband. (And ISDN only goes up to 128K either way)
>
>
> IIRC, broadband is defined as a type of data transmission in which a single
> medium can carry several channels at the same time. As you state, it has
> nothing to do with speed.

Yup. That'd work for partial or full T-1s (up to 24 channels), ISDN (up to 2
channels). Not sure how it applies to cable and DSL...


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Anonymous
September 26, 2004 10:55:48 PM

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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Joe Kaffe wrote:
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:cj5n87$9mv$3@ratbert.glorb.com...
>>
>>>Peter Pan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Interesting..I used to think broadband was 1 meg or faster.
>>>Broadband has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with delivery
>>>method. I forget the exact technical details but cable, ISDN and DSL are
>>>all
>>>broadband. (And ISDN only goes up to 128K either way)
>>
>>
>> IIRC, broadband is defined as a type of data transmission in which a
>> single
>> medium can carry several channels at the same time. As you state, it has
>> nothing to do with speed.
>
> Yup. That'd work for partial or full T-1s (up to 24 channels), ISDN (up to
> 2 channels). Not sure how it applies to cable and DSL...
>
>
> --

Then why isn't something like 1X data that is packet switched, and over
regular voice/multiple channels not considered broadband, but evdo that only
uses one channel for data is called broadband, but only uses one channel?
Seems sort of wacky to me...
Anonymous
September 26, 2004 11:21:15 PM

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Peter Pan wrote:

> Then why isn't something like 1X data that is packet switched, and over
> regular voice/multiple channels not considered broadband, but evdo that only
> uses one channel for data is called broadband, but only uses one channel?
> Seems sort of wacky to me...

"Broadband", in Verizon Wireless's context, is a marketing term and nothing
more. I'm sure they use it because people equate "broadband" with "high speed".

If it's packet switched, IMHO it can't be broadband.

Doing multilink internet dialup connections with two 56K modems wouldn't be
broadband either; two channels, yes (each voice line is equal to one 64K data
channel), but they're two *single* channels being bound together.

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Anonymous
September 27, 2004 12:00:22 AM

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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Peter Pan wrote:
>
>> Then why isn't something like 1X data that is packet switched, and over
>> regular voice/multiple channels not considered broadband, but evdo that
>> only uses one channel for data is called broadband, but only uses one
>> channel? Seems sort of wacky to me...
>
> "Broadband", in Verizon Wireless's context, is a marketing term and
> nothing more. I'm sure they use it because people equate "broadband" with
> "high speed".
>
> If it's packet switched, IMHO it can't be broadband.
>
> Doing multilink internet dialup connections with two 56K modems wouldn't
> be broadband either; two channels, yes (each voice line is equal to one
> 64K data channel), but they're two *single* channels being bound together.
>
> --

You mean a network connection can't be broadband? Networks are usually
packet switched... Oh no, my cable internet thing is networked and packet
switched, and it gives me 3 meg speed... :) 

I'm begging to wonder if there actually *IS* a definition for it, and am
beginning to believe it is just a marketing scam (like "more" on a soap box)
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 1:13:28 AM

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Killer Madness wrote:
> Narrowband is dial up and broadband is anything faster than that.

> It's very plain and simple, but people as usually put their own system in
> there.

Wrong. The term refers to method of delivery and has nothing to do with speed.
Someone working in your position should know that.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/broadband.html

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Anonymous
September 27, 2004 1:14:58 AM

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Peter Pan wrote:
> You mean a network connection can't be broadband? Networks are usually
> packet switched... Oh no, my cable internet thing is networked and packet
> switched, and it gives me 3 meg speed... :) 

I did say IMHO. I wouldn't state it as fact since I'm not absolutely 100% sure
I'm correct. :) 



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Anonymous
September 27, 2004 1:22:24 AM

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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Peter Pan wrote:
>> You mean a network connection can't be broadband? Networks are usually
>> packet switched... Oh no, my cable internet thing is networked and packet
>> switched, and it gives me 3 meg speed... :) 
>
> I did say IMHO. I wouldn't state it as fact since I'm not absolutely 100%
> sure I'm correct. :) 
>
>
>
> --

Saw that, but didn't know the acronym for (In Steve Sobol's Humble
Opinion).. tried ISS'SHO but my spell checker didn't like that.... :) 
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 6:27:57 AM

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"Broadband" is quickly becoming THE buzzword for 2004. In fact *I* am on
line ordering a brand new Broadband yard rake as we speak!
Remind anyone of the word "Turbo"?????
Turbo Hairdryer
Turbo motherboard (XT)
Turbo styling......

NOW!!!!!
Broadband noise
Broadband speed
Broadband blah blah blah...
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 8:08:18 PM

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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:21:15 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>"Broadband", in Verizon Wireless's context, is a marketing term and nothing
>more. I'm sure they use it because people equate "broadband" with "high speed".

It's the same reason the box that sits between your computer and your
DSL phone line is called a modem even though it doesn't modulate or
demodulate the signal. It's a term that the public understands.

jc
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 10:01:32 PM

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In article <glegl056sl0udn4rrvudvshaf37ijauq5u@4ax.com>,
JC Dill <jcdill01@sonic.net> wrote:
>It's the same reason the box that sits between your computer and your
>DSL phone line is called a modem even though it doesn't modulate or
>demodulate the signal. It's a term that the public understands.

Actually, a "DSL Modem" is a true mo(dulator)dem(odulator). DSL uses
tones on the phone line at frequencies above that used for voice (20kHz
to 1.1MHz, for ADSL). An "old" 56Kb modem just uses tones in the voice
range (up to 8Khz), but the principle is the same.
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 10:59:37 PM

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Here is another site that discusses broadband.

http://www.cis.state.mi.us/mpsc/comm/broadband/start.ht...


"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Killer Madness wrote:
> > Narrowband is dial up and broadband is anything faster than that.
>
> > It's very plain and simple, but people as usually put their own system
in
> > there.
>
> Wrong. The term refers to method of delivery and has nothing to do with
speed.
> Someone working in your position should know that.
>
> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/broadband.html
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
sjsobol@JustThe.net
> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
Anonymous
September 29, 2004 2:43:04 AM

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Jesus dude, in it's simpliest form so people would understand. Don't start
quoting from webopeida thinking your Mr. Smart cause you found a link. My
dog can do that...let's keep it simple, that's all anyone on this group is
able to really comprehend and understand.

"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Killer Madness wrote:
>> Narrowband is dial up and broadband is anything faster than that.
>
>> It's very plain and simple, but people as usually put their own system in
>> there.
>
> Wrong. The term refers to method of delivery and has nothing to do with
> speed. Someone working in your position should know that.
>
> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/broadband.html
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
> sjsobol@JustThe.net
> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
Anonymous
September 29, 2004 2:43:05 AM

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Killer Madness wrote:
> Jesus dude, in it's simpliest form so people would understand.

Simple would be fine if it's correct.


> quoting from webopeida thinking your Mr. Smart cause you found a link. My
> dog can do that...let's keep it simple, that's all anyone on this group is
> able to really comprehend and understand.

Simple doesn't mean anything if it's incorrect. BROADBAND DOESN'T MEAN FAST.
BROADBAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED. Get it? ISDN is broadband, and DSL and
Cable are both much faster than ISDN.

Thank you. Drive through.

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Anonymous
September 30, 2004 12:19:42 AM

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"Killer Madness" <killer@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> If you had the ability to follow threads on a usenet group you would have
> seen that I said nothing about broadband having to do with speed.

Yes you did:

"Narrowband is dial up and broadband is anything faster than that.
It's very plain and simple, but people as usually put their own system in
there."

Your words, not mine.
Anonymous
September 30, 2004 5:17:04 AM

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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:00:11 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Thank you. Drive through.

I'm beginning to think that phrase comes out of KM's mouth many, many
times a day.
October 1, 2004 3:27:42 AM

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I also had the word "people" in there...does that include birds and fleas as
well?
Yes, you won't understand...you can stop the head scratching now and don't
look up cause it ain't coming down.

"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Killer Madness" <killer@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:LLJ6d.7502$CI6.3728@fe36.usenetserver.com...
> > If you had the ability to follow threads on a usenet group you would
have
> > seen that I said nothing about broadband having to do with speed.
>
> Yes you did:
>
> "Narrowband is dial up and broadband is anything faster than that.
> It's very plain and simple, but people as usually put their own system in
> there."
>
> Your words, not mine.
>
>
Anonymous
October 1, 2004 10:22:43 PM

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"Opentoe" <killermo@cnet.com> wrote in message
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> I also had the word "people" in there...does that include birds and fleas
as
> well?
> Yes, you won't understand...you can stop the head scratching now and don't
> look up cause it ain't coming down.
>

I understand everything presented here- yet another tech wannabe that
doesn't acknowledge his own words and tries to blame others for
'misrepresenting' his own very clear statement. Try all you want to
disguise your mistake- it will still be seen as such by everyone else here.

BTW- don't quit your day job- I've determined that my 13 year old possesses
more qualifications and knowledge, and my 8 year old certainly understands
more about technology than you seem to demonstrate.
!