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Decent PC but still getting low FPS

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April 27, 2011 5:19:34 PM

I get around 25 FPS in L4D2 and TF2 but I'm not sure why. I run both of the games at 1280x1024 with max settings. Lowering the settings helps the frame rate a bit, but only puts it at around 50-60 fps and the frame rate will drop to around 30 when there is alot happening in the game.

My system specs:
AMD Phenom II X2 (running as quad core)
ATI Radeon HD 4670
3gb DDR2 ram at 533mhz

I reinstalled the video card drivers and it didn't help. CPU load never goes above 70% and GPU load never goes above 65%. Shouldn't I be getting better frame rates?

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April 27, 2011 5:41:06 PM

it probably has more to do with your internet connection. Plus, the ati 4670 is more of an entry level card even if those games use older source based engines.
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April 27, 2011 5:47:40 PM

What version of phenom II you got exactly? Not really sure about it, but I would think it's the ram,is it running at it's maximum frequency? do you know what ram is it?
Have you tried running the game with no background apps, like AV or firewalls?
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April 27, 2011 5:52:15 PM

ct1615 said:
it probably has more to do with your internet connection. Plus, the ati 4670 is more of an entry level card even if those games use older source based engines.


man his card can run games at a reasonable speed. I done some search and he should be able to run crysis and COD4 about 40 FPS,

http://www.guru3d.com/article/ati-radeon-hd-4670-review...

cod4 maxed out
crysis at medium sets.
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April 27, 2011 5:54:07 PM

There's really no difference in frame rate between online and offline gaming.
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April 27, 2011 5:59:20 PM

damian86 said:
What version of phenom II you got exactly? Not really sure about it, but I would think it's the ram,is it running at it's maximum frequency? do you know what ram is it?
Have you tried running the game with no background apps, like AV or firewalls?


I have tried running the games with no apps running the background. I have an X2 550. There are four sticks of ram in the computer. 2x1gb Corsair XMS2 and 2x512mb "Sanya" (I took these out of a dell machine). I've tried running the games with the Sanya ram removed from the machine since it is slower than the corsair ram but it doesn't really help performance.

How do I check to see if the ram is running at maximum frequency?
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April 27, 2011 6:13:33 PM

Download cpu-z once install run it check under the SPD tab what is your max bandwidth code all my rams are PC2-6400 meaning 800Mhz

Good luck
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April 27, 2011 6:22:53 PM

Corsair 400MHz (its supposed to be 800mhz)
Nanya 266MHz

Edit: I just took out the Nanya again to see if the speed of the corsair would change. However in cpu-z its still showing PC2-6400 (400MHz). Do I have to change a settings in the bios?
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April 27, 2011 7:03:46 PM

400 is where it's supposed to be running. you say "decent" pc but in reality it isn't great. You say you're running at max settings, your fault the games aren't running as good as they can. That processor, cores unlocked or not, isn't the greatest.
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April 27, 2011 7:23:37 PM

Should I try overclocking the cpu or just get a new one all together?
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April 27, 2011 7:44:39 PM

i don't know how to describe your computer because of how powerful pc components have become over the past 6-8 months
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April 27, 2011 8:07:04 PM

Do you have AA on in those games? if so Turn it off, it'll help you FPS and 50-60 FPS is fine for gaming
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April 28, 2011 12:36:02 AM

I have turned AA off but the frame rate still drops to below 30 at times. I just don't understand how it could be my processor if it never reaches 100% when I game
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April 28, 2011 1:43:06 AM

huh thats confusing. i play TF2 with a 5600+ duel core and an ati radeon hd 4350 with 40+ frames all the time (high settings with 720p resolution) so i have no clue
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April 28, 2011 1:47:24 AM

the 4670 isnt a particularly powerful card. and playing at 12/10 is about as good as it will get if you put vsnc on you should lock it down to 30 fps which although is lower fps it will be constant. 30 fps is all you need and because your running less fps you may be able to up the quality from minimum to medium.

update.
i checked the benchmarks and 50 fps at minimum settings is about all you can expect. so like i say put vsnc on, enable tripple buffering and up the image quality. and enjoy your games.
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April 28, 2011 1:59:28 AM

Dontcopythatfloppy said:
Corsair 400MHz (its supposed to be 800mhz)
Nanya 266MHz

Edit: I just took out the Nanya again to see if the speed of the corsair would change. However in cpu-z its still showing PC2-6400 (400MHz). Do I have to change a settings in the bios?



your corsair is 400mhz running at dual channel, 800mhz and your Nanya, has any labels on it saying PC2...it is quite dodgy installing those rams manufacturers give you on another pc with your ram,nut they have to be the same freqs.
From bios you should be able to select the frequency you want the ram to run at. but if they are different frequencies yo probably will get bsods. if they cannot be set at 800mhz from bios try 667,should be all right.

I guess you will be better replacing those Nanyas with another 2x1GB if its ok with your mb.

It would be normal if the framerate drop a bit sometimes, depending on the levels you are, having more or less physics or effects, it won't be constantly the same fps if your pc is not tuned up to max, if you know what I mean.If you plan to overclock your pc make sure you buy another cooler for your cpu.
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April 28, 2011 2:12:27 AM

HEXiT said:
the 4670 isnt a particularly powerful card. and playing at 12/10 is about as good as it will get if you put vsnc on you should lock it down to 30 fps which although is lower fps it will be constant. 30 fps is all you need and because your running less fps you may be able to up the quality from minimum to medium.

update.
i checked the benchmarks and 50 fps at minimum settings is about all you can expect. so like i say put vsnc on, enable tripple buffering and up the image quality. and enjoy your games.


So I should definitely buy a new video card before I buy a new processor?
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April 28, 2011 2:53:07 AM

I don't see the point in buying a new processor, and as I said, your card is not bad and it can run games around 40 fps, it's kind of old, Im sure you can get a better one for not much reducing the chances of bottleneck.
Is this your cpu?
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii5...
if so, in these tests ram is running at 1333...

I don't understand Hexit? why you are saying that Vsync on and triple buffering will help? for me it will cause more drops,
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April 28, 2011 6:58:46 AM

Hey dude I play L4D2 a lot in my laptop which only has a Mobility Radeon 4650 and I can easily get between 50 - 70 FPS. I don't think the problem is in your GPU.
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April 28, 2011 7:49:22 AM

damian86 said:
I don't see the point in buying a new processor, and as I said, your card is not bad and it can run games around 40 fps, it's kind of old, Im sure you can get a better one for not much reducing the chances of bottleneck.
Is this your cpu?
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii5...
if so, in these tests ram is running at 1333...

I don't understand Hexit? why you are saying that Vsync on and triple buffering will help? for me it will cause more drops,

by turning on vsync some games and tripple buffering can smooth out games that suffer big fps drops. something to do with how the card syncs to the screen. i may lower the fps to 30 fps but at least it wont be dropping from 50 to 30 which is the problem. i noticed that some games run at 30 fps when vsync is enabled even on a 60hz setting. so its worth a try.

you only notice slowdown when big drops occur as it affects the smooth flow of the images. so if you take out the huge drops by running at a lower framerate the game will play smooth and you wont worry what fps your getting.
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April 28, 2011 3:12:20 PM

HEXiT said:
by turning on vsync some games and tripple buffering can smooth out games that suffer big fps drops. something to do with how the card syncs to the screen. i may lower the fps to 30 fps but at least it wont be dropping from 50 to 30 which is the problem. i noticed that some games run at 30 fps when vsync is enabled even on a 60hz setting. so its worth a try.

you only notice slowdown when big drops occur as it affects the smooth flow of the images. so if you take out the huge drops by running at a lower framerate the game will play smooth and you wont worry what fps your getting.


OK,I think I will give it a try too on bad company 2, I know I would be struggling with my cpu, but when there is 10-15 players I can play it almost brilliant but when it goes up to 20 or more then I notice some kind of lag and fps drops,even my ping gets higher, but maybe I can find some kind of average setting and I can play it better.Thanks, 'will lete you know how it went.

I still think Dontcopythatfloppy is having some kind of bottleneck issue.Would be nice to take those Nanyas out and play it with the corsairs only. :??: 


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April 28, 2011 3:44:52 PM

I actually took them out and the computer has been running with just the corsair for a bit. Didn't really notice a change in game performance but it might be due to the fact that my system only has 2gb of ram now. I'm still a bit confused by the replies to this thread. Some people are telling me to replace my processor and others are telling me to replace my video card, yet neither of them reach 100% load when I game. Wouldn't that mean that neither of them are causing the performance issues?
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April 28, 2011 5:10:19 PM

a gfx card will only reach about 97% and yours is in no way big enough to bottleneck that chip even at dual core settings. you would need something akin to a 98gtx+ for that to happen. on your current gfx your only gonna get 50-60 fps with low settings and as you describe you will get big fps drops. thats normal.

adendum. the vsync thing only works with certain ports that will sync at 30mhz in the gfx option...
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April 28, 2011 10:10:32 PM

Didn't work for me, probably it's not for my issue.I should just change the whole system for once.
Do you think if he adds more ram, like 4gb would help? If he has a phenom II am3, then his MB should be able to support ram maximum 1600mhz/1333,I done some research and checked, a similar PC would run Left for Dead(1) getting about 100fps
I think his processor is good and powerful enough.

man,did you check that your cpu is running at the speed it should be? cpuz?
I can't think of anytihng else+ if you are thinking in replace something my opinion would be add another 2gb and have a look for a better video card.

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April 28, 2011 10:31:27 PM

check your power option, make sure it is on performance
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April 29, 2011 1:40:26 AM

Here is a screencap of CPUZ (I turned off ACC for the time being) http://i.imgur.com/UKllo.png

I looked through my BIOS for a power saving option but couldn't find one. To be honest I'm not really sure what to look for.

Edit: I turned off PowerNow in the BIOS but it didn't seem to help performance
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April 29, 2011 7:03:53 PM

I was reading that article earlier on and I started wondering if the radeon 48 series can make any difference, I mean I ve seen bad reviews of the 46-56 series in the past, or something similar to the one I got.

Can you post a screenshot of Gpu-z mate? is your 4670 AGP?
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April 29, 2011 10:53:49 PM

Not to butt in, but that cpu-z screenie says your core is running at 800 mhz. Unless I'm doing my homework wrong, isn't that CPU supposed to be doing about four times that?
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April 30, 2011 3:52:42 AM

chances are he's running power savings via bios. this could compromise his fps but its unlikley as it should turn off as soon as the cpu goes above 5% usage.
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April 30, 2011 4:07:01 AM

What is your mobo? maybe it can handle that processor? or did you buy this system prebuilt? but yes from that 1 picture i can say that could be a problem it should be running at 3100Mhz or 3.1Ghz, your Mobo Core Voltage also looks low, though i could be wrong and that is normal but mine is 1.312V's
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May 1, 2011 2:44:56 AM

CPU Z was showing 800MHz because PowerNow was enabled in the BIOS. It does not effect CPU performance because the clock is increased automatically when it is required
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May 1, 2011 2:48:27 AM

Oh, Alright then... but how do you know that to be true? maybe its not doing that?
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May 2, 2011 12:52:55 AM

Dontcopythatfloppy said:
I disabled it and it didn't help the problem


do clear CMOS, then leave everything at its default values, but make sure they are running at full speed
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