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March 7, 2005 1:30:10 AM

WinXPs Service Pack 2, is just sheer crap, if Microsoft can't do any better than this, then Linux based systems are really beginning to look good, I mean if you constantly have to be finding or waiting for the fix, to solve the problems arising from SP2 being installed on your machine, you may as well just bite the bullet and configure your own Linux system.

It will probably be about WinXP SP4, like Win2K, before Microsoft gets all the bugs out, if you haven't experienced any problems yet, you must be from another planet, or just don't realize SP2 is your problem.

This is just a venting statement from all the problems I've encountered, and that I'm fed up with it, and reinstalled WinXP SP1 and the problems are gone.

They're supposed to be making XP better, not worse!

Since I'm on a software bashing roll, Nortons Anti-Virus is also crap, all its good for is to inform you that a virus is on your machine, it sucks at getting rid of the thing, Avast's Home Version is free for personal use and runs circles around Nortons, Nortons Ghost 2003 also sucks.

Well I'm through venting, have a good night everybody!

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March 7, 2005 4:11:05 AM

i have had no problems with sp2.

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March 7, 2005 10:54:34 AM

Well you are one of the lucky ones then I'd say, and you're not alone for sure and neither am I, knowing your experience level from past posts you're probably running a machine you built yourself, if thats right would you list your hardware specs, out of curiosity I'd like to see if certain hardware combinations are the main problem with SP2, and maybe we can begin to pin down why these problems are occurring for some and not others, the service packs are the future and eventual success of WinXP, thats for sure.

My Specs:
AMD XP3200+ Barton Core CPU
1536 mb Corsair XMS PC3200 400mhz RAM
SOYO KT600 Ultra M/B
ATI 9800Pro / 128mb Ram Graphics Card
2 120gb SATA Seagate HDDs in mirrored RAID array
2 40gb PATA Maxtor HDDs 1 second system boot drive/1 storage
Audigy 2 ZS soundcard
Related resources
March 7, 2005 10:56:26 AM

Would everyone reading this post please post your specs and indicate whether you're having problems with SP2 or not Thank You! Ryan
March 7, 2005 11:23:35 AM

Going from rant to research..heh heh..
My first bout with SP2 went bad. I traced the problems I was having to third party software not being compatible with SP2. Replacing this software with either something else or updated versions of what I had cured it.

Started with XP-Pro
ASUS P4PE
P4 2.66 Northwood
2x 512 PC2700 Crucial DDR RAM
Leadtek GF4 128MB Ti4400 (4xAGP)
Silicon Image SiI 0680 Ultra-ATA/133 Medley RAID Controller
5x HDDs Western Digital
3x optical drives

USB Devices:
7in1 card reader
Epson C84 printer
Epson 4180 Photo scanner
2x external enclosures; 1 optical, 1 HDD


....WW (5.0)
March 7, 2005 11:39:40 AM

I've also had no problems with the system systems I have installed it on.

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Who's the man with the master plan?
March 7, 2005 11:56:53 AM

No problems here, with my A643000+, my Gigabyte mobo and Ati video card.

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
March 7, 2005 1:45:00 PM

No problems on any of the machines I've installed it on either. (Except one that was messed up to begin with).

My specs:

P4B 2.53
Gigabyte GA-8INX Mobo
4 x 256MB PC2700 DDR RAM
ATi 9700Pro
SB Audigy 2
60GB WD Hard drive (8MB cache)
LG DVD/CD-RW Combo
Lite-On DVD-RW

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
March 7, 2005 2:44:37 PM

msi k8n neo 2 platinum
winchester 3200
1 gig corsair ram
saphire 9500 pro
no problems with sp2 for about 4 months now. running hl2, far cry, fah, aim, dvd shrink..

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March 7, 2005 7:47:35 PM

<A HREF="http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2735094,..." target="_new">How secure is your computer?

“Honey pot” experiment shows unprotected Windows SP 1 at risk</A>

Quote:
Windows Service Pack 1, or SP 1, however, was another story. It's an older version of Windows that was sold in computer stores until a few months ago.

SP 1 was attacked 4,857 times. It was infested within 18 minutes by the Blaster and Sasser worms. Within an hour it became a "bot," or a machine controlled by a remote computer, and began attacking other Windows computers.



<b>FireFox 1.0.1: Works for me … You’re on your own …</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Jake_Barnes on 03/07/05 05:18 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Anonymous
March 7, 2005 9:31:05 PM

Abit NF7-S v2
XP 2500+
512mb Corsair XMS
Geforce 6600GT
Lite-On DVD
Sony CD/RW
WD 20gb HDD
Maxtor 40gb HDD
(Yep, I'm running out of HDD space. :lol: 

Not a single problem with SP2.
Also, my parents have a Dell 8200, :eek:  (I think that's what it is) and don't have any problems. I'm not sure of all the specs though.

_________________________
Your arrogance is boring!
March 7, 2005 10:01:21 PM

No problems with SP2 here, infact performance increased. Also been running NAV and have not had a virus in over 8 years.

Custom home built with WinXP Pro SP-2 slipstreamed.
P4 Prescott 3200
Gigabyte GKNXP Ultra-64
2-gigs Corsair TwinXL Pro 2-2-2-5
ATI X800XT PE
ATI TV Wonder Pro
74gb Raptor
2x250gb Maxtor MaxLine III
Plextor 712 DVD burner


Have you tried slipsteaming your installation cd so you install SP2 first time? I realize you can not go back, but it is the best way.


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So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>
March 8, 2005 12:05:52 AM

No probs on any desktop or laptop I own (link on sig) and no probs on the dozens and dozens of other computers I've installed it on. It has actually greatly helped every machine I put it on.

<A HREF="http://www.folken.net/myrig.htm" target="_new">My precious...</A>
March 8, 2005 10:19:12 AM

I read that article....somwhere near the beginning it mentions these are completely unprotected systems; no AV and no firewall.

Hopefully anyone reading this forum is not quite so foolish...

....WW (5.0)
March 8, 2005 10:24:16 AM

It was a test ... to measure the vunerabilities of <b>unprotected</b> systems ... although SP2 comes with a native firewall, if you don't have anything else ...


<b>FireFox 1.0.1: Works for me … You’re on your own …</b>
March 8, 2005 12:05:10 PM

I just run the inbuild firewall - no antivirus - no spyware detection.

My PC has been fine for months. I ran adaware 2 mins a go just to see how bad it was, and it only detected cookies!

Yep, I'm leet.

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Who's the man with the master plan?
March 8, 2005 8:02:50 PM

No offence but I'm getting sick of hearing everyone complain about Microsoft products, mainly the OS.

Yeah yeah they have problems like everything else. Games that come out have problems, blah blah blah.
When you have 99% of hackers trying to find some flaw in Microsoft's OS's, you'll have problems. Probably a good portion of Microsoft employees are the ones that let the problems out in the first place.

I recently read an article about how a college professor had his 20 students study the Linux Kernel.. I can say it was a recent version but I don't know what version they were using.. anyhow.. within 1 week 32 major flaws were found.


Now.. I don't know much about Linux but I know it's nice to use for a lot of things and it's popularity is growing.

This is a really stupid question and I honestly haven't taken the time to research it..

When a major bug/issue/etc comes up with Linux, who fixes it?

For example.. Microsoft *attempts* to fix their problems.. I'd feel safe saying 90% of Microsoft's problems wouldn't be problems if people would just update their systems, especially in corporate networks.. another story though.

With so many flavors of Linux out there... who fixes what? That's the biggest problem with Linux.. What version to use..

I honestly need to get a little more indepth into understanding the concepts of Linux but it seems like there are too many versions out there to bother.. Just my opinion..

Feel free to call me an idiot.. I admit, I understand the concept on Linux but can't readily see it as being a feasible solution to everyone's complaining about Microsoft.


Just my 2 cents for microsoft..free for linux.

Riser
March 8, 2005 8:22:34 PM

Do you ever feel like you might be all alone with SP2 problems? :) 

If you rolled back to SP1 and all the problems are gone, count yourself as fortunate! You are one of the rare ones.

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And the sign says "You got to have a membership card to get inside" Huh
So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>
March 8, 2005 10:06:29 PM

To jihiggs, How do you like the MSI K8n neo 2 plat. Motherboard. I am getting ready to put another system together with it. Thanks bruce

Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?
March 8, 2005 10:26:59 PM

i love it.

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March 9, 2005 9:22:20 AM

No problems

A64 3200+
DFI Lanparty Ultra-D
1GB Corsair 4400C25
Ati x700Pro/x800xl
2000JB, 1200JB, 74GB Raptor
2005fpw

XP2400+
K7S5A
512MB Crucial PC2100
R9600np
2000JB, 1200JB
19" non-trinitron

<i><b><font color=red>"I think I'd rather let the monkey have its way with me" - Ksoth</font color=red></b></i>
March 9, 2005 4:03:33 PM

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I recently read an article about how a college professor had his 20 students study the Linux Kernel.. I can say it was a recent version but I don't know what version they were using.. anyhow.. within 1 week 32 major flaws were found.


Now.. I don't know much about Linux but I know it's nice to use for a lot of things and it's popularity is growing.


No matter what OS there will always be problems. The advent of linux has only pushed MS to write better code. Competition between the two OSes is only good for us consumers! MS creates a great OS like the different linux ditros and Apple. I personally really like the Apple OS which is based on BSD.
March 10, 2005 2:26:58 AM

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Do you ever feel like you might be all alone with SP2 problems? :) 




No, do you really think thats the case, SP2 is not the end of XP just like SP2 was not the end of Win2K, if that was the case SP1 would have done it all but it didn't, Microsoft will eventually get all the bugs out of the WinXP OP/SYS hopefully, Microsofts past track record should have at least taught you that, and if they don't resolve all the issues, they'll surely throw you another bone to play with in the form of Longhorn.

Microsoft just loves to toss you something new to play with especially when they've come up with a lame duck, like say Windows Millenium, now there was a Microsoft crowning accomplishment! ROFL

Just because SP2 seemingly is working great, doesn't mean problems aren't going to arise, some of the same people that boast how great SP2 is are in other sections posting "help guys my so and so isn't working". ROFLMAO DUH! But doesn't even relate that to the fact there was no problem until he installed SP2.

I dual boot so I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on my PC gaming drive, but nothing else is on the drive but my online games, and so far there has been no problems with that drive, but thats not the first install of XPs SP2. Most out and out failures seem to be from installing on already running for awhile systems, but most all of the install from scratch installations are OK.

My biggest problem is not my PC its my laptop, they come out with a BIOS flash to resolve one issue and create another problem with something else, the first problem is resolved but the second is created by the fix, so blame the Laptop manufacturer dude! I do,! but my point is simply that Microsoft has to design an OP/SYS that can be used with all existing types of hardware, its not like they weren't aware this hardware existed, so why can't they cover all the angles, I mean thats what its supposed to be isn't it? An Operating System.
March 10, 2005 2:47:42 AM

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No offence but I'm getting sick of hearing everyone complain about Microsoft products, mainly the OS.


Everyone is not complaining, just those of us that have had, and are having problems, that just want to use the OP/SYS we've paid our money for, without spending hours on end downloading and applying patches to it just to get it to work.


Quote:
Yeah yeah they have problems like everything else. Games that come out have problems, blah blah blah.
When you have 99% of hackers trying to find some flaw in Microsoft's OS's, you'll have problems. Probably a good portion of Microsoft employees are the ones that let the problems out in the first place.


If everyone took your attitude this wouldn't be a help site just a bitch session, this is an opportunity to see what hardware may be causing these problems, and what hardware is not, it could be as simple as changing a M/B to resolve the issues, and I'm not ruling that out as an option if necessary. Or it could be driver related and the problems be on the software end of things, I don't know about you but when I pay for something I expect it to work, do you expect to download a patch, BIOS flash, or Update to be able to drive your car to the store? I don't think so, so why do we tend to settle for less in an Operating System for our computers, and be thankful for the crap they give us. Wake Up Dude! Microsoft has been taking a dump on us for a long time, and you're thankful for it, thats pitiful!


Quote:
Feel free to call me an idiot.. I admit, I understand the concept on Linux but can't readily see it as being a feasible solution to everyone's complaining about Microsoft.


Sometimes its best to keep your mouth shut then everyone else doesn't find out what you don't know.
March 10, 2005 2:54:47 AM

Quote:
A64 3200+
DFI Lanparty Ultra-D
1GB Corsair 4400C25
Ati x700Pro/x800xl
2000JB, 1200JB, 74GB Raptor
2005fpw



Sweet when did you get this setup?
March 10, 2005 2:58:42 AM

Quote:
P4 Prescott 3200
Gigabyte GKNXP Ultra-64
2-gigs Corsair TwinXL Pro 2-2-2-5
ATI X800XT PE
ATI TV Wonder Pro
74gb Raptor
2x250gb Maxtor MaxLine III
Plextor 712 DVD burner


Nice setup!
March 10, 2005 7:46:41 AM

I noticed that you have a SOYO MOBO. I have a SOYO board in one of my Rigs. It absolutely hates SP2. Crashman has or had this same board and didnt run into this problem. My other rig runs SP2 with no problems. This makes me think that some SOYO boards just dont get along well with SP2.

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March 10, 2005 9:16:09 AM

Was that the Soyo 875chipset board free with rebates on Fry's?

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And the sign says "You got to have a membership card to get inside" Huh
So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>
March 10, 2005 9:27:33 AM

Mine was, but SOYO is a sorry good for nothing piece of shite company. They not only screwed me by not honoring the rebate they did it to a bunch of people that bought this board. I sent in all the required info well ahead of the deadline and made copies for my records. They never have acknowledged getting my rebate info or the 5 e-mails that i sent them with the copies.

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March 10, 2005 9:33:24 AM

Awe, man, that sux! If you got copies, I would still hound em just for teh principle of it...
Your super overclocking thouroughbred beats the heart of Soyo?

<pre><font color=red>°¤o,¸¸¸,o¤°`°¤o \\// o¤°`°¤o,¸¸¸,o¤°
And the sign says "You got to have a membership card to get inside" Huh
So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>
March 10, 2005 10:56:19 AM

Quote:
I noticed that you have a SOYO MOBO. I have a SOYO board in one of my Rigs. It absolutely hates SP2. Crashman has or had this same board and didnt run into this problem. My other rig runs SP2 with no problems. This makes me think that some SOYO boards just dont get along well with SP2.


At this point I'm going to have to agree with you, I've been going through a process of elimination, and quite a few have most of the same hardware as I do that are having no problems at all with SP2, except for the M/B.

Its weird sometimes how some have terrible results from some products and others have no problems at all, my SOYO experience has been good, I haven't had any bad SOYO M/Bs thats why I bought this one, and she wasn't free at the time I bought it, it was one of the most expensive M/Bs on the market the KT-600 Ultra Platinum edition.

My 2nd boot drives are running Win2K w SP4, and their performance is flawless, but I do think there is a problem related to XPs SP2 and this SOYO M/B, thus my attempt to get others to post their specs and see if there are any others with SOYO M/Bs with the same problems.

Thank You for your input!
March 10, 2005 10:58:22 AM

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Was that the Soyo 875chipset board free with rebates on Fry's?



Free? I wish! LOL
March 10, 2005 11:21:18 AM

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No probs on any desktop or laptop I own (link on sig) and no probs on the dozens and dozens of other computers I've installed it on. It has actually greatly helped every machine I put it on.


Your specs are close to mine except for the M/B and RAM, what problems did you have with DFI and OCZ?







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(This machines hardware has been distributed elsewhere due to hardware problems, DFI and OCZ suck)



Computer:

Athlon XP 3200+ Barton

1GB OCZ PC3500 EL DDR

DFI LANParty Ultra B

ATI Radeon 9800Pro 256MB DDRII

2x Western Digital 36.7GB SATA Raptor 10Krpm 8MB cache (Raid0)

Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8mb cache

16x48x Pioneer slot feed DVD

Plextor PX-708A DVD-RW 8x +R, 4x –R, 40x CD-R, 40x CD

Antec TruePower 550watt Power Supply

4” UV Cold Cathode

12” UV Cold Cathode

Chieftec DX01BLD/SPX02BL Case w/ side window and fan

March 10, 2005 11:37:50 AM

First off, I do expect to (like most other people who know about anything computer related) to download patches and updates for everything. It's how the system works and I'd rahter have to download updates knowing someone is still trying to improve on it. The software is complex and having some programming background I know that no matter how much testing you put software through, bugs will surface. I don't think you understand how complex the Windows OS is.

As far as my attitude goes. I like both Linux and Microsoft. Granted I know little of Linux but I'm able to do what I need to do with Microsoft apps securely and without the problems. I really believe a lot of problems people have from them not understanding what they're doing. Also granted, Microsoft isn't always compatible with things. I've seen people complain that they just spent all their money buying an Intel P4 with HT and when they put it in their Windows 2000 computer, it locks up. They blame Microsoft. Is it really Microsoft's problem the person didn't take the time to research what they were doing?
In reading your post I felt more or less like you were slamming what Microsoft has made for us. Look where that has gotten. They're a business, they need to make money. Why are new car models put out each year? Not just for looks.. it's a business. They can make everything work a lot better but if you did that, they would be out of business. Microsoft in the last few years has changed their stance in that respect by moving to their new agreements because they realize their software is at a point where new versions really aren't going to be that much more helpful. Thus the 3 year agreements for VLKs for their products. That insures 3 years of being paid. The same thought process Bally's Total Fitness uses (if you're familiar with the company and have talked with that company in particular).
I've been working for the last 6 years in large corporate ITs focusing mainly on a Microsoft infrastructure. We have just as many problems as a Unix system does under the same conditions.
Lockheed Martin, the US government's main defense weapon's contactor has a Unix/Linux system setup in a lot of their offices. I have first hand knowledge that at LEAST twice a week their network crashes due to a Unix/Linus problem.
Needless to say, under the same circumstances I've seen the same problems hit Unix/Linux just as it would a Windows system.

I'll say the major factor IT departments have so many problems is because of the people in the department don't know what they're doing most of the time. Mirosoft's biggest problem isn't their software, it's the people who think they know how to use and configure it and I'm not talking on home PCs. I'm talking in businesses.
I haven't been to a large company that uses all Linux. I mainly see it used for Proxy, Firewalls, or a web surfing computer. Microsoft is focusing their work on Corporations, not really the home user.
I'm not trying to say anything bad about Linux, personally I would use it if it didn't require me having another piece of software to make sure it's up to date, secure, etc.

Either way anyone looks at it. Microsoft is a business and they're trying to make money. They do what they need to do to survive. When it all comes down to it though, the people programming these OS's are people just like you and I. We make mistakes, we don't always think things through or check ever little thing we do from all possible angles. Mistakes happen, life goes on.
Is there a reason another OS hasn't come out to take a large portion of Microsoft away? I think so.

Anyhow.. I don't really feel the need to defend my stance with Microsoft. I have my career because of Microsoft's software and I get paid for it. The problems people have with Windows only guarentees me my job. I guess I should have said that first, I support a large Windows corporate network. On the corporate side, I really haven't seen too many problems that are Microsoft's problem. In saying that, I'm sure it's different on a home user's PC because most of them (not all) tend to be less educated in the software and knowledgeable about what they're doing.

Riser
March 10, 2005 12:27:47 PM

Quote:
First off, I do expect to (like most other people who know about anything computer related) to download patches and updates for everything. It's how the system works and I'd rahter have to download updates knowing someone is still trying to improve on it. The software is complex and having some programming background I know that no matter how much testing you put software through, bugs will surface. I don't think you understand how complex the Windows OS is.

As far as my attitude goes. I like both Linux and Microsoft. Granted I know little of Linux but I'm able to do what I need to do with Microsoft apps securely and without the problems. I really believe a lot of problems people have from them not understanding what they're doing. Also granted, Microsoft isn't always compatible with things. I've seen people complain that they just spent all their money buying an Intel P4 with HT and when they put it in their Windows 2000 computer, it locks up. They blame Microsoft. Is it really Microsoft's problem the person didn't take the time to research what they were doing?
In reading your post I felt more or less like you were slamming what Microsoft has made for us. Look where that has gotten. They're a business, they need to make money. Why are new car models put out each year? Not just for looks.. it's a business. They can make everything work a lot better but if you did that, they would be out of business. Microsoft in the last few years has changed their stance in that respect by moving to their new agreements because they realize their software is at a point where new versions really aren't going to be that much more helpful. Thus the 3 year agreements for VLKs for their products. That insures 3 years of being paid. The same thought process Bally's Total Fitness uses (if you're familiar with the company and have talked with that company in particular).
I've been working for the last 6 years in large corporate ITs focusing mainly on a Microsoft infrastructure. We have just as many problems as a Unix system does under the same conditions.
Lockheed Martin, the US government's main defense weapon's contactor has a Unix/Linux system setup in a lot of their offices. I have first hand knowledge that at LEAST twice a week their network crashes due to a Unix/Linus problem.
Needless to say, under the same circumstances I've seen the same problems hit Unix/Linux just as it would a Windows system.

I'll say the major factor IT departments have so many problems is because of the people in the department don't know what they're doing most of the time. Mirosoft's biggest problem isn't their software, it's the people who think they know how to use and configure it and I'm not talking on home PCs. I'm talking in businesses.
I haven't been to a large company that uses all Linux. I mainly see it used for Proxy, Firewalls, or a web surfing computer. Microsoft is focusing their work on Corporations, not really the home user.
I'm not trying to say anything bad about Linux, personally I would use it if it didn't require me having another piece of software to make sure it's up to date, secure, etc.

Either way anyone looks at it. Microsoft is a business and they're trying to make money. They do what they need to do to survive. When it all comes down to it though, the people programming these OS's are people just like you and I. We make mistakes, we don't always think things through or check ever little thing we do from all possible angles. Mistakes happen, life goes on.
Is there a reason another OS hasn't come out to take a large portion of Microsoft away? I think so.

Anyhow.. I don't really feel the need to defend my stance with Microsoft. I have my career because of Microsoft's software and I get paid for it. The problems people have with Windows only guarentees me my job. I guess I should have said that first, I support a large Windows corporate network. On the corporate side, I really haven't seen too many problems that are Microsoft's problem. In saying that, I'm sure it's different on a home user's PC because most of them (not all) tend to be less educated in the software and knowledgeable about what they're doing.

Riser








Whoa dude, I started this post with a little ranting, in hopes of it leading to some serious discussions of SP2 problems, and helping each other resolve these issues if they are having them, you felt the need to defend Microsoft to me and jump at me about my statements.

Let me make something perfectly clear to you OK, I use Microsoft products, I own legal copies of WinXP Pro, WinXP Home, Win2K Pro, WinME, Win98SE, Win98, Win95, my initial statement was that it probably would take to SP4 for Microsoft to get all the bugs out of the XP OP/SYS, looking at Win2Ks history should enlighten what I'm saying here.

Seeing as how Microsoft seems to be your future financial lifeline, I can understand your concern, but try to understand I'm really not bashing Microsoft as a whole, and I do realize their job and responsibilities are tremendous, but seeing as how they are tremendous, they need to do a better job at what they're doing.

I'm believing they can do better, but I will give them the credit that technological advancements are coming faster than they can keep up with, but they still need to fully cover all the pre-existing hardware out there, and work more toward perfecting XP whether 32bit or 64bit OP/SYS and not make some of their past mistakes like WinME.

It took them a while but they've done an excellent job with Win2K but it didn't start out that way it was a long road they traveled to get there, and XP will be the same way, SP2 is not the end of Microsofts journey with XP, you should know that being in the field you are in.

This is supposed to be an information gathering post not some kind of war, maybe I started it wrong and ruffled your feathers, for that I apologize, but if you just flat out want a war, you picked the right one to mess with, so why don't you share something valuable, and lets just move on.
March 10, 2005 12:39:08 PM

Is it possible then that quircks with that Soyo motherboard could be the cause for some of the reasons SP2 is giving you fits?
BTW, didn't Soyo sell out thier mobo company?

<pre><font color=red>°¤o,¸¸¸,o¤°`°¤o \\// o¤°`°¤o,¸¸¸,o¤°
And the sign says "You got to have a membership card to get inside" Huh
So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign</pre><p></font color=red>
March 10, 2005 12:59:03 PM

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Is it possible then that quircks with that Soyo motherboard could be the cause for some of the reasons SP2 is giving you fits?


Thats where my suspicions are at the moment, and I'm considering replacing the M/B with ASUS, but I've delayed that move because I'm also concidering a complete upgrade, just haven't decided fully on the AMD or INTEL route, but this post and the listed specs of everyone, is very helpful in whatever decision I end up making, because XP is the OP/SYS we all will end up relying on until Longhorn is released.


Quote:
BTW, didn't Soyo sell out thier mobo company?


Don't have the answer to that, but I will check into it right after I post this.
March 10, 2005 1:00:38 PM

Win XP's SP2 problems seem to be coming from 2 specific areas.

Before I continue, I'd like to mention that this is coming from research I ordered done within my IT division. We have 250+ workstations running Windows XP throughout the country in the various offices/laptops/etc.

Area 1 (And the more likely) has come mainly from third party software drivers for hardware devices. It seems that the way the OS is handling IRQ calls and resource management is EXTREMELY finicky. In any area where you're having problems, I reccomend that you start with clean installations minus any special hardware (pen mice, joysticks, external CD/DVD drives, etcetera), then add a device one at a time until you start experiencing problems.

Area 2: This one seems to be a bit more erratic, but we noticed that more of the issues seemed to occur on systems with a 400MHz FSB. That leads me to believe that part of the problem may have been from companies incorrectly following Intel's specs.

All in all, I honestly don't feel like this one is totally Micro$oft's fault. Be pragmatic and find the specifics reasons. It'll save you alot of malox and help you keep a full head of hair! ;) 
March 10, 2005 1:02:18 PM

You have a pretty good system, minus the board. You could easily replace only the board for well under $100, and maybe close to half that.

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March 10, 2005 1:41:06 PM

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You have a pretty good system, minus the board. You could easily replace only the board for well under $100, and maybe close to half that.




You're right, I'm looking into getting the ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe, for the AMD XP core, I can't find a better performer as far as benchmark tests and reveiws I've read, some other M/Bs get close but do not beat its performance, and those using it don't seem to be having any SP2 problems at all.

My searching for SP2 related issues has not been just here at the forums, and right now as far as the wife is concerned, the cheaper the solution the better, and I have to live with the wife, I'm sure you know what I mean, so ASUS is looking really good to me right now. :smile:

I saw a related article to SOYOs sellout to PC Chips, but SOYO never would say whether or not they actually did it, so I don't know if it actually happened or not, Do You?
March 10, 2005 1:41:15 PM

haha yeah Sorry for the flaming. I had a mix of otc drugs in me earlier when I wrote that. I agree with your aspect of things but I wanted to toss out there that a lot of problems also stem from lack of use knowledge. I had installed SP2 when it came out on over 30 varieties of PCs and never had a single problem. A coworker did have the problem where his network connections had disappeared. I didn't find too many problems in the SP2 that I personally encountered.
As far as SP2 went, I think it was more along the lines of their frustration being shown. From what I've read Microsoft didn't release any code for their SP2 until at the last moment. Their claim was outside apps were supposed to be coded to work with sp2 and not sp2 coded to work with them. I think that was showing some of Microsoft's frustration with finding a secure solution and not let out all their hard work on the patch. In which case problems did stem from it.
I know that a lot of software out there that is being created is released early on the web by people who are creating it. It's great for all those people who want to find flaws or get the software for free, but it's making life a little harder for everyone. Thus all the security in trying to make sure Office and Windows have valid keys.

From my point as a home user, I haven't had any big issues with Windows. Sometimes it amazes me when people find some of these problems. I wonder what they're doing to have that happen, or why they're trying do that what they're doing.
From a corporate stance, Microsoft is excellent at securing down their systems, reducing problems, and keeping things working. Microsoft SMS is an excellent example if you're familiar wit that network management software.
Microsoft is starting to target more on the business sector and not on the home user. Why some might ask.. One, the money is there. Two, compatibility. How many company's have custom built PCs? They all use brands, HP, Dell, IBM, etc. etc. Less hardware to focus on supporting, but at least they're tryin to maintain focus on everything out there.

As far as SP2 goes for what it's worth, it was more of a stepping stone. They threw some good ideas out there, got burned really bad and I don't think we'll be seeing that kind of stuff coming out of Microsoft again, at least for a while. Needless to say, SP2 was the biggest, most advanced patch to be attempted to date on such a large scale. Give Microsoft credit for trying to harness that one at least.
Anyhow, I don't really have anything more to comment on this but I did want to share my thoughts on what I read/heard with SP2 pre-release, and my experience with it.
Good luck if you're having any other problems with SP2 though.

Riser
March 10, 2005 2:42:08 PM

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How many company's have custom built PCs? They all use brands, HP, Dell, IBM, etc. etc. Less hardware to focus on supporting, but at least they're tryin to maintain focus on everything out there.


Thats a major point right there, I don't know of any of my friends that have brand name PCs such as DELL, HP, Etc. that have had any problems with the SP2 at all, and I've installed SP2 for some of them myself with no problems. The custom build your own group, such as myself, seem to be the ones with the problems, I think my issues are M/B related, and just ordered myself a new M/B, I don't know why ordering a new M/B makes you feel like a kid with a new toy, but it does, :smile: even though completely reloading everything from scratch [with dual booting]will be happening when I receive it.[double your pleasure double your fun] :smile: Hopefully with the new M/B my SP2 problems will disappear, and I can also be a SP2 satisfied user, I guess we'll see what happens, but I hope all will go great.


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As far as SP2 goes for what it's worth, it was more of a stepping stone. They threw some good ideas out there, got burned really bad and I don't think we'll be seeing that kind of stuff coming out of Microsoft again, at least for a while. Needless to say, SP2 was the biggest, most advanced patch to be attempted to date on such a large scale. Give Microsoft credit for trying to harness that one at least.
Anyhow, I don't really have anything more to comment on this but I did want to share my thoughts on what I read/heard with SP2 pre-release, and my experience with it.
Good luck if you're having any other problems with SP2 though.


Thanks I appreciate that! Ryan
March 10, 2005 3:05:58 PM

Think of it this way... it took something like 7 service packs for WinNT 4.0... 4 for Win 2000... they're getting better!

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That said, I think it's possible XP will have at least one more major service pack. Beyond that, I'm not really sure.

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March 11, 2005 1:39:53 AM

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Most out and out failures seem to be from installing on already running for awhile systems, but most all of the install from scratch installations are OK.

This is exactly what has been in my mind as the possible problem.
I know that's it's a hassle but you do have the opportunity to answer this question. If you are serious about finding out about XP with SP2 then I would think that the thing to do is.

Document everything software wise that you are currently running, making special note of the software that is most problematic.

Do a clean reinstall including a format on the drive that you are using for windows.

Go straight to windows updates and install SP2 and all other critical updates.

Reload all your software on the system, not simply run them from another drive.

If this fixes your system then you have proved what you said earlier about the problems arising from a SP2 install over an old system.

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March 11, 2005 2:51:28 AM

Good suggestion, that will work with my PC, but my laptop has a restore disk that installs everything at once, the problems I'm having with my PC, I hope I'm going to resolve with my new motherboard, the problems with my laptop on the other hand ,will be solved when the company issues a new BIOS flash to cover the new problems, they issued a BIOS flash that fixed one of the problems I was having but the fix created another problem with my laptops keyboard malfunctioning, thats why I had to reinstall with SP1 and the keyboard problems disappeared, eventually it will all be resolved, Hopefully!
March 11, 2005 4:00:22 AM

Just built it, have a 2405fpw 24" Widescreen LCD on the way. Figured I'd splurge a bit on myself.

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March 11, 2005 4:40:19 AM

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Its weird sometimes how some have terrible results from some products and others have no problems at all, my SOYO experience has been good, I haven't had any bad SOYO M/Bs thats why I bought this one

My SOYO board is a really nice board. You couldnt ask for more features or flexibilty. It just doesnt work worth a crap with SP2. SOYO discountinued this board as well as any future efforts in upgrading BIOS features.

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March 11, 2005 4:52:16 AM

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BTW, didn't Soyo sell out thier mobo company?

That would be a YES, KINDA, and a NO. There was alot of confusion surrounding this about 5 months ago. SOYO has or had seperate corps with a similar name. I compare this to FEDEX. They have the ground, Express, etc... divisions. I always thought that it wa one big outfit, but in reality they arent attached to each other. One for instance has Union workers while one of the others doesnt. The SOYO that made out boards and screwed alot of people on the rebates is still going.<A HREF="http://www.soyogroup.com/" target="_new">http://www.soyogroup.com/&lt;/A>

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