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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 23, 2001 3:26:35 AM

With a thunderbird 900mhz and an ASUS board It is 290 bucks,
the the tiger deal for the shuttle board and 900 mhz ( likely a duron) is 159 bucks ) is the most
expensive product(asus and thundbird) likely to give less headaches ? (aka problems, bugs, and last longer?)

What I am asking is is the 290 bucks for 2 products twice as good as the tiger bundle ?
I like products that are rock solid and last, but I do not like to waste money either on brand names.




http://www.necxdirect.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=000015...

A7V ATHLON MTHRBRD KT133 CHIPSET ATX


Price: $154.95
Shipping: FREE
on domestic UPS Ground orders $199.00 and over
In Stock: yes
Supports Socket A-based AMD Thunderbird/Duron processors
Support for a 200MHz Front Side Bus
Easy installation




http://www.necxdirect.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=000015...

ATHLON THUNDERBIRD 900MHZ 384K CACHE


Price: $135.95
Shipping: FREE
on domestic UPS Ground orders $199.00 and over
In Stock: yes












http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Shuttle AI61 Motherboard with Athlon 900 CPU & Creative Labs 128-Voice PCI Sound Card (WAS $190) Price:

$159.99










If a harddrive is udma 100 and the motherboard is udma 66 is the harddrive downward compatible ?
or vice versa?

Is any agp slot compatible with AGP 1x /2x and 4x video cards :
or vice versa?

Is all SDRam 168 ping?


If the motherboard is the ram SDRAM pc133 compatible 168 pin ,
will it run pc 100 ram sticks? or vs versa




Any Usb ports with motherboard? if not do I buy usb ports with motherboard?


Will a 900 mhz chip and motherboard work with 200 volt powersupply ?








I got the 128 sdram strip (compatible with pc 66/100/133 pny.com brand )
and tried it in my old computer and it did not work. ( I put the power on
etc...
do you think it damaged the sdram 128 meg strip ? )


What are the best brands of motherboards ?




What do I need to know before installing a mother board and chip?


For specific motherboards do I need to upgrade ram by 2 strips per upgrade ?

What else do I need to know for it to be compatible with
my computer?

Also my computer ( 2nd one ) has maxtor udma 66 ata harddrive can I install a western digital 40 gig with udma
100 ata EIDE and will both harddrives peacefully coexist?

What if the maxtor is ide and not eide ?


I just have to change the harddrive jumper on the old one so the new hd is the master ( which is the one which is booted right ? )



Thanks for all your help !
May 23, 2001 3:50:35 AM

I would recommend the giga-byte ga-7dx with creative sound, www.newegg.com $137. They also have reasonable prices on cpus. I would consider upgrading to an ibm 40 gig, but a western digital is a good solid drive. And ya ata100 drives are backward compatible with 66 standards. Don't monkey around with cheap memory, get your ddr from crucial, its affordable and of high quality. Make sure your power supply is approved by www.amd.com for you processor. As far as building your pc, check out tom's how to article on building your own system. It's rather clear.

-- Chaos is the better order.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 23, 2001 3:49:55 PM

What I am asking is, for the asus and thunderbird,
is it worth 290 in comparison to the shuttle and 900 mhz duron for 159 bucks ?

For what reasons is this product (below) better then
the other 2 products?

the giga-byte ga-7dx with creative sound, www.newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp


I also want to stick to PC100/133 SDRAM because I have it
and know it works well.


What about agp slot compatiability? is a agp 2x slot will it
work with a 4x geforce 3 or 2 ultra agp 4x card ?

Does athlon and abit make good motherboards ?
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May 23, 2001 4:32:09 PM

<b>A7V ATHLON MTHRBRD KT133 CHIPSET ATX
Price: $154.95
ATHLON THUNDERBIRD 900MHZ 384K CACHE
Price: $135.95</b>
You might want to check their price. They even more expensive than my local store's.
BTW, I'd get A7V133 which is not much more expensive than A7V but can run FSB at 133. At Newegg it's only $117 with 10 bucks of SH.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufa...

<b>If a harddrive is udma 100 and the motherboard is udma 66 is the harddrive downward compatible ?
or vice versa?</b>
Yes.

<b>If the motherboard is the ram SDRAM pc133 compatible 168 pin , will it run pc 100 ram sticks? or vs versa</b>
Yes.

<b>Any Usb ports with motherboard? if not do I buy usb ports with motherboard?</b>
All of them have Built-in USB ports on mobo.

<b>Will a 900 mhz chip and motherboard work with 200 volt powersupply ?</b>
IMO, It wouldn't. Get at least 300W PS.

<b>For specific motherboards do I need to upgrade ram by 2 strips per upgrade ?</b>
No, it wouldn't be neccessary. 1 stick of DIMM can work alone.

<b>Also my computer ( 2nd one ) has maxtor udma 66 ata harddrive can I install a western digital 40 gig with udma
100 ata EIDE and will both harddrives peacefully coexist?</b>
Yes, but the WD will work at ATA66 instead of ATA100 if you put both of them on same cable.

<b>I just have to change the harddrive jumper on the old one so the new hd is the master ( which is the one which is booted right ?</b>
Of course.
May 23, 2001 4:55:26 PM

<b>Anyone know anything about allstarshop.com ?</b>
It is a reputable store. I have bought some of them.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 24, 2001 3:35:28 AM

Ok feedback on my 2 choices , each a set of cpu, motherboard
,cpu fan and powersupply.

Will each set (Is group A compatible with group A) and
same with Group B? and is each set that I choose interchangable meaning Group A motherboard a7a266, and Group B (duron 900 mhz chip ) compatible with each other?


PS: which 400 watt powersupply would be good for either one?


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Review of A7A266

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q2/010509/alim...


http://www.asus.com/products/motherboard/socketa/a7a266...
specs here

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Asus A7A266 DDR SDRAM Socket A ATX AGP Motherboard
Socket 462 AMD® AthlonTM/DuronTM Processors support
PC1600/PC2100 DDR SDRAM up to 2GB

266 memory bus


PC133/100 SDRAM up to 3GB



Asus A7A266 134 bucks

266 bus and ddr-sdram


http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufa...



CPU Support Socket A AMD® AthlonTM/DuronTM Processors
Supported CPU Speed (MHz) up to 1.2GHz
Number of Processor (s) 1 (Not included)
Chipset ALiMAGiK 1 chipset composed of M1647 North Bridge and M1535D+ South Bridge
Front Side Bus (MHz) 100/133MHz
System Bios Not Specified
AGP Support AGP Pro / AGP 4X / AGP 2X
Number of Memory Slots 3 PC133 SDRAM slots and 2 DDR SDRAM slots
Type of Memory Supported PC133/100 SDRAM\ PC1600/PC2100 DDR SDRAM
Maximum RAM PC133 3GB \2GB DDR
On-Board Multi I/O Six USB Ports, two serial ports, one parallel port
On-Board EIDE Dual-channel bus master IDE interfaces with Ultra DMA33/66/100, PIO modes 3/4
Keyboard Connector PS/2
Mouse Connector PS/2
Number of AGP Slots 1
Number of PCI Slots (32 Bit) 5
Number of ISA Slots (16 Bit) 0
Hardware Monitoring ASUS PC Health Monitoring and ASUS PC Probe software
Audio Incorporated No
Video Incorporated No
SCSI On-Board No
SCSI Connectors No
Form Factor ATX
Dimensions Not Specified
Additional Information N/A


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http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/FindResult.asp
Kingston DDR-SDRAM

FOR DDR-SDRAM do I need 168 pin or 184 pin and do both go in the same slot?



http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=BROWSE...


Kingston 256MB 32x64 PC-2100 DDR RAM Requires DDR supported Motherboard - For AMD - Lifetime Warranty.

Fedex Saver Shipping $5.00

or


KINGSTON 128MB DDR RAM PC-2100. Requires DDR supported motherboard. Fedex Saver Shipping $8.00



Or for regular SD-RAM pc 133
at same url kingston also.

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http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp


AMD Thunderbird 1GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A processor 256K cache Retail Box Version with HeatSink and Fan

Fedex Saver Shipping $10.00
- Product Link (N82E16819103161)
(avg rating out of 8 reviews)
$152.00
YES





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http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=2797&si...

Cooler Master Heatsink + Fan for AMD Socket A Duron and Tbird up to 1.3GHz
Compatible with P III coppermine 1.2 GHz
Rated Speed 4200 RPM
Air Flow 15 CFM


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Group A

a7a266 130 bucks

amd thunderbird 1000 mhz 266 150

256 ddr-sdram 100

fan 10 bucks

powersupply: 50 bucks approx

440 bucks:

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or ; Group B

A7V133 KT133 asus 117 bucks here:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufa...


900 mhz 192 cache duron amd 95-100 bucks

256 SDRAM pc133 70 bucks kingston at :

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=2...

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=2...


cpu fan 10 bucks

powersupply 50 bucks approx
347 bucks about 22 % more bucks for group A.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 24, 2001 6:47:00 PM

How can I find out that one of my computers has an oem soundcard and oem videocard that can only work with the
old motherboard/cpu ( which does not work on my newer computer)?

I have heard that some vendors use whitebox wholesale
versions of some products, that have the same name as the
retail but, the product is not as good, because it
is slightly different.

Example is a videocard may be named on the computer for sale
TNT 2 32 Ram , but the videocard may be slower then the
retail version of the videocard and may only work with the old motherboard that came with the computer when it was new. And if one puts in a new videocard, the videocard may not work with it or the system may not boot without the same videocard!

Also I heard it is the same with soundcards.

Well how can I find out? will the serial numbers have an OEM
near them or on them? If no OEM is on the label on the hardware product that means I am safe from OEM versions?
!