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July 25, 2011 2:41:56 PM

This shouldn't be news to anyone, but close to the end of 2012 Microsoft and Sony will be releasing their 'next-gen' consoles: the PS4 and Xbox '720' - it has been said that the PS4 alone will be ten times more powerful than the PS3, the Xbox around the same. While that isn't much considering what's inside the PS3 and 360 - game developers will be rubbing their little hands at the possibility of multi-platform 3d gaming and extra power in these consoles. By rote, PCs will need new hardware to keep their place.

So, essentially, how much time before our current gaming rigs are rendered completely obsolete? I have only owned two rigs, both in more or less the same gen, and it has to be said the current run of cards, despite small incremental advances, have been around for a while. My advice is to start saving now.

What do you think?

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July 25, 2011 2:46:43 PM

They wont be 10x the power, or even 5x. The only thing I can see coming out of next gen consoles, is just more games will be harder on the PC, which will be ahead of consoles still at that point. I think we will get more console ports we wont be so irritated with on how crap the graphics are, until the consoles have been out for a few years. Other than that, I think everyone kind of exaggerates the next gen consoles to the point where soon we will hear that they will have a love port for lonely gamers
July 25, 2011 3:02:39 PM

first of all "it has been said that the PS4 alone will be ten times more powerful than the PS3, the Xbox around the same" [citation needed]

second, when the games starts to put in some extreme calculations, like air movements, super-AIs, and perhaps planetary movements and objects behavior based on their gravitational pull. our rigs might be a bit slow then on the CPUs, GPUs? perhaps if they want you to see grass from a mile away or so? or a tank on the moon, idk.
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July 25, 2011 3:14:22 PM

The last time I read a overview, PS4 was using a specific type of graphics processing unit, I can't remember the name though. It was said to be 4 times more powerful than the PC GPUs that were released during that time ( i.e the HD 5970 and the GTX 480 ). But still, PC graphics will still beat console graphics once it starts getting outdated.
July 25, 2011 8:56:25 PM

At some point in the future it will cost so much to keep up with the hardware that we'll have no choice but to mortgage the farm to stay on the pc or just give in and buy a console. I have many years gaming experience and every year there are less and less PC titles to choose from. Right now it's a niche market for geeks like us that enjoy building these rigs. But why bother dropping a grand on the best hardware to play some retread console crap software, because let's face it most companies are concentrating their marketing on the consoles. PC Gaming is a fading dream...
But that said I still can't wait for Diablo3 :sol: 
July 26, 2011 2:10:03 AM

Gman450 said:
The last time I read a overview, PS4 was using a specific type of graphics processing unit, I can't remember the name though. It was said to be 4 times more powerful than the PC GPUs that were released during that time ( i.e the HD 5970 and the GTX 480 ). But still, PC graphics will still beat console graphics once it starts getting outdated.

I would like to see an article from a reliable source on that one . They have to be resourceful when they are choosing hardware as to not have a console so expensive nobody would buy it. If they had a thousand bux worth of hardware but charged 500 for the system the prices of the games would be outrageous. The next Gen consoles will be released with dated hardware and us PC gamers will already be able to run the games better.
July 26, 2011 6:32:21 AM

AtomicZ said:
At some point in the future it will cost so much to keep up with the hardware that we'll have no choice but to mortgage the farm to stay on the pc or just give in and buy a console.


Yeah, because all that console hardware comes free.

Consoles are typically sold below cost price until hardware manufacturing technology advances enough to push the price down to a level where they don't have to rely on overpriced games to subsidise console sales. Where you think those manufacturing advances are going to come from without the massive PC market to push them? And who do you think is going to develop those new console chips without the massive PC market funding the GPU market?
July 26, 2011 6:44:08 AM

MarkG said:
Yeah, because all that console hardware comes free.

Consoles are typically sold below cost price until hardware manufacturing technology advances enough to push the price down to a level where they don't have to rely on overpriced games to subsidise console sales. Where you think those manufacturing advances are going to come from without the massive PC market to push them? And who do you think is going to develop those new console chips without the massive PC market funding the GPU market?

+1
July 26, 2011 7:35:44 AM

AtomicZ said:
At some point in the future it will cost so much to keep up with the hardware that we'll have no choice but to mortgage the farm to stay on the pc or just give in and buy a console.


Not sure I agree with that. I built a decent gaming rig about 6 years ago, and built the next one 3 months ago. They cost the same, to within £100, and are broadly similar in capability given the offerings 6 years ago and what's available now. What's more likely to affect the costing of PCs is the tablet market...as their popularity grows, and the popularity of desktops / notebooks dwindles, the hardware will get pricier due to supply and demand, but not due to capability. :) 
July 26, 2011 8:55:18 AM

consoles are currently about 8 times less powerfull than a $1000-£700 pc they only have dx9.0c+ gfx. the current dx11 cards at the mid to bottom price range are easily x2 the power so getting to be x10 the power isnt gonna be that hard. the chance are they will contain a 6970 with extras/ cpu wise they will actualy be no more powerfull than a current i5/i5 sandy as the ps4 wont contain a cell chip but rather an off the shelf cpu like the xbox currently has...
the cost will probably be around 600 for the ps4 and 500 for the xbox both will sell for a loss for the first 2-3 years and are likely to have a lifetime that exceeds the current consoles.
overall gaming spec will be 1080p 60fps minimum for all games. 3d ready. up to 8 gigs of ram (modular) and 120-250gigs hdd with bluray compatability...
July 26, 2011 10:08:57 AM

What we do know is that all 3 consoles will be using AMD GPUs, that much has been confirmed. As for CPUs, i think the PS4 will use a updated Cell chip as that is still a beast of a processor. 3D graphics, yes. Motion contols, Yes, 8GB or ram, no chance. Consoles do not need this amount of RAM, simple! 2GB im guessing, maybe 4.

These companies want to build these consoles as cheaply as possible, the reason the PS3 was expensive was simply the Blu ray drive. Stand alone drive in 2006 were on average £700. The xbox is showing its age worse than the PS3 but its done well for this long even with the RROD **** up!

Can these consoles sell at £500 - £600, i really dont think so and also the price of the games will probably go upto $70, £50 average if the console want to make the same profit
July 26, 2011 11:20:08 AM

True 1080p with 3D at 60FPS? I don't think so. I would be surprised if they could handle 1080p at 60FPS and they're gonna have AMD GPUs so unless AMD comes up with a mature 3D technology, they're not gonna have it.
July 26, 2011 11:27:28 AM

julius 85 said:
True 1080p with 3D at 60FPS? I don't think so. I would be surprised if they could handle 1080p at 60FPS and they're gonna have AMD GPUs so unless AMD comes up with a mature 3D technology, they're not gonna have it.


well lets see, have AMD so it runs smooth, cool, and stable or NVidia so it runs glitchy, hot, and make your PS4 blow up in about 2 months? hmmm.

also, AMD's cards runs just as fast, if not faster than those crappy Nvidia ticking bombs.
July 26, 2011 11:37:45 AM

julius 85 said:
True 1080p with 3D at 60FPS? I don't think so. I would be surprised if they could handle 1080p at 60FPS and they're gonna have AMD GPUs so unless AMD comes up with a mature 3D technology, they're not gonna have it.

it was mentioned at e3, that this was the baseline. same as sony have already said they are shelveing the cell cpu.

July 26, 2011 11:54:25 AM

It's funny how these debates come around time and again whenever the consoles get renewed. I've said in other threads (and I'm not the only one) that new consoles always seem to raise the spectre of the PC as a gaming platform coming under threat. Things are changing for PC gaming, and consoles do have a negative impact in some regards, but I don't think the end is nigh. It's definitely becoming a more niche market though, which is a shame.
July 26, 2011 12:12:18 PM

foverosiv said:
well lets see, have AMD so it runs smooth, cool, and stable or NVidia so it runs glitchy, hot, and make your PS4 blow up in about 2 months? hmmm.

also, AMD's cards runs just as fast, if not faster than those crappy Nvidia ticking bombs.

I'm saying only that AMD doesn't have a mature 3D technology. *cough*fanboy*cough*
July 26, 2011 12:22:29 PM

HEXiT said:
it was mentioned at e3, that this was the baseline. same as sony have already said they are shelveing the cell cpu.
OK, could you give me a source?

Sorry for double post.
July 26, 2011 12:31:48 PM

julius 85 said:
I'm saying only that AMD doesn't have a mature 3D technology. *cough*fanboy*cough*


>implying I don't have valid reason of saying AMD is better
>implying your not a NVidia fanboy
>implying Nvidia's GPU are superior and godly
>implying "mature 3D technology" exists

July 26, 2011 12:44:05 PM

foverosiv said:
>implying I don't have valid reason of saying AMD is better
>implying your not a NVidia fanboy
>implying Nvidia's GPU are superior and godly
>implying "mature 3D technology" exists


I don't think he's implying any of those. You're putting words into his mouth. Pointing out you're a fanboy, or coming across as one (which, to be fair, I was close to doing myself given your post :) ) isn't the same as him being an Nvidia fanboy at all. Nor does he make any implication about Nvidia, either.

It's your opinion that AMD are better. Just like someone else's is that Nvidia is better...Googling the subject shows that opinions are divided and that the issue is complex and very often subjective. I've used both brands and like them both. I don't think it's wise to restrict yourself to one or the other if you're a PC enthusiast as you limit yourself needlessly. Look at the facts, form an impartial view and then choose. Stating "crappy Nvidia ticking bombs" is going to provoke some responses, as I suspect you know. If that was the case, then Nvidia wouldn't sell but it is in fact a very reputable and highly recommended brand. Just like AMD.

From my own experience, I've only had one card break-down on me and it was an AMD one. Should I now call them "crappy AMD ticking bombs" as a result?
July 26, 2011 12:59:33 PM

I'm pretty sure he implied at least two of those but lets just end this argument with a picture that shows my appreciation of NVidia GPUs.


July 26, 2011 2:00:55 PM

If anything, next gen consoles will have specs simmilar to the Wii U: A AMD-4000 series GPU, and a multicore processor [sounds like IBM Cell for both the next PS and Xbox console].

I doubt we're seeing MS/Sony release before 2013-2014 though, due to Kinnect/Move. Sony especially, since the PS3 still has a bit of life left and can still be pushed a bit more.
July 26, 2011 2:39:09 PM

There was a rumour (it sounds unlikely to me) that the next xbox may have an AMD bulldozer CPU, in which case I would think it could run Windows which could blur the line between PC and console altogether. I doubt it will happen though but with Windows 8 running on ARM CPUs its altogether possible.
July 26, 2011 2:39:41 PM

wow..
ya'll arent very bright.
except maybe the person that had some truth to say.
things like gravity.. all sorts of physics really.
that is going to require a lot of horsepower for times when there is like 32 people on each team.


i know one thing for certain..
if the PC gaming community keeps charging $500 every 8 months for a graphics card to persuade customers into buying a console.. we are going to demand something for our $1,000 - $2,000 spent on graphics cards.


be reasonable.
the cost of dirt (when you own it) isnt very much.
selling a console for $600 that costs $20 - $40 to build is beyond the scope of many people who dont have a tight grasp on economics.

and then yes..
consider the facts.
pc graphics cards are always open to being attacked by hackers who try to unlock them and use them for something else.
that means one thing OVERHEAD.
when you put the same hardware into a console.. everything is locked up nice and tight.
no real way to get in there and communicate with the device, except to get yourself into trouble.
when the damn thing wont talk to you without a password.. there is no way to 'sneak by' because the operating system is small and simple.
...the operating system on the pc is much more broad and 'chanceable'

dont be suprised if you do see today or tomorrows graphics hardware inside one of those consoles doing much more than what us PC gamers get out of them.
there comes a time when the connection is no longer software, it is straight up physical without any driver or translation or decoding going on.


video games MUST look better than the very stupid 'colored pencil' and 'oil canvas' we have been seeing.
why?
because it is called 'incentive'

nobody gives a damn about tessellation much at all.
we can get by with the same wires as long as the texture resolution goes up.. the color bit-depth goes up.. the physics go up.. and the light/shadows get improved.
i look at modern warfare 2 and think 'wow.. this is tomorrows atari graphics'

it can never ever get that bad again.
we are opening up our arms for upgrades.
those upgrades are supposed to set a standard that we currently do not have.
crysis 2 cant be said to be that standard with the very low colors in use.
they are oil canvas replicas with a bit of zooming in with a magnifying glass to fade the colors with more accuracy to appear professional.



we are not stupid as a species.. and i think people need to stop 'settling' for things as if we are happy.
a new explosion doesnt excite me one bit.
being forced to play a game that is the same BROWN ON BROWN colors is really diluting my self-esteem.
grey on black isnt going to get you anywhere either.. but it would be a start, and quite frankly 'a relief effort'

looking at crysis 2 ... it looks like you are staring into a bowl of potpouri.
for those of you that dont know what potpouri is..
basically it is a bunch of red, maroon, purple, and green. (perhaps some other non-standard flowers i didnt mention)


i think 2pac said what video games and the audio industry can mean for people in the song 'thugz mansion'

you wanna talk about how 8gB of ram isnt necessary?
not intelligent.
ALL of the code has to be accessed quickly.
where do you think that information is going to go?
i am simply talking first about the mechanics!
that comes before the wires and the textures, but i think the physics will seriously be all apart of the mechanics.

i already know i dont need to have much worry about the hardware.
software implementations are nothing of composure.
the games themselves are limited by the limits imposed.
here you are saying these consoles wont be released until late 2012 ?
look at the garbage already on the market.
a bunch of military junk that is recorded and re-created with a bunch of high and wide bugs, blanketed with graphics that bring me to 8-bit shame.
the mechanics are full of lag and lies.. that make a perfect match to the aim and the movement/firing.

too much algorithms in the way to superceed a selfish mind that only wants to prove a high standing to provide a path to walk on that continues to lure the person deeper into the levels.
spend your time on those algorithms and the rest of the game is cabbage-patch.


how stupid do the rest of us have to be?
a gtx260 that runs at the 88fps cap on modern warfare 2 throughout 90% of the game.
the colors are pathetic.. the wires are there arent they?
they arent tessellation, but the whole scene has come together.
some more colors available to enhance the textures and the game would have pushed us forward.
but instead.. what happens?
games like crysis come out that are an embarassment.
f.e.a.r. comes out in 2006 .. here it is 2011 and nobody is releasing a video game with visual quality that comes close.

where are all of the college graduates that went to school for game and simulation programming?

cache rules everything around me.
and i must say? the steam is stale, and has proven to be made better.
it is overwhelming.
you could render something SLOWLY and have it there and done.. then hire somebody who does flash to record the thing as a video.
hell..
you could record the video yourself and make the entire game a 'hollywood-style activated' movie.
burn in the textures?
burn in the RENDER.
and i believe it has been thought of before.. but who am i to tell you the 8800 ultra was capable to get a single head rendered and colored.
now seriously..
who do you think has all of the hardware before it is ever released?
the government as usual.
meaning the military simulations are all bleeding out and nobody else has had their chance to get in there and compete.

who wants to spend 5-8 years gathering a video game together and might be rejected in the end?

8000 series was released in 2006.
now 2011 and nobody releasing anything.
the same 5 or 6 game studios slapping us around with their concept of entertainment.
i can tell you quickly.. i havent seen anything humane.
as if i have been fed from a bag of powder.
sure, the concept was intricate and interesting at first.
but now the taste of chalk is suck in my throat and sinuses.. all the way down to my feet and out the energy from my back you are implying?


i have been picky with the video games i am interested in.
so very picky, in fact, it feels sleezy.
i am starving.
i dont need disillusion to render my future.
there has already been an extension on the lateness of the new consoles release.
but
LOOK at how bad the games are today.
i have to think the games were made for 3mbit/s - 6mbit/s
and today we have an average of 6mbit/s - 12mbit/s
i simply cannot stomach tomorrow.
the only insurance in life i have is when i crawl out of bed because i cant sleep anymore.
i've put myself into solitude for 70% of my life.
and all i keep seeing is people burning my food.
then when i look up from my plate, i see more leeches sucking the life out of me.
now i know it is my time to cook the food myself, but i dont feel i have the strength or motivation to provide insurance for myself.
it isnt responsible to be walking around a fire with a knife when i am stumbling and tripping over things with spots on my eyes.
and say i do get the food cooked and eaten.. for what?
to remember tomorrow is going to suck the life out of me the same!

the recession hasnt been painful enough for the many idiots out there that abuse their civil rights.
and
the government hasnt provided any way out.
if they think i am going to slowly slide into place and enjoy my new locked position.. they have 70% of my life in slander hammered with queer neglect/abuse as they take my time, embrace it as their own, and expect me to respect the time we share that is halve-productive (or quintessentially non-productive @ all)

i'm left with nothing but notes for my future.
those notes remind me how sick the social concensus is.
i've watched myself get pushed into a corner.. and i've climbed up the wall thereafter.
and i've used the power of gravity to bring me to a sensual death bed.

makes me realize the term 'loose-cannon'
criminal, rebel, and bad-influence are nonchalant compared to the ambience of energy a syndrome has.

i dont wish or stand to see the same people suddenly change their attitude.
i hate confusion to death.

bringing a next generation console onto the market this late in the game is pushing things over an edge that scars people.
we know people are falling asleep and crying like the belittled treatment they receive.
the word succumb is powerful.
and if you dont think the world has already done that.. it would fall in line perfectly to the same stupid commencing, derived from the word comment, that the above posters have managed to display.



what happens when you put out an artists fire?
i am tired of seeing the question.. i am tired of being asked the question.. and i am tired of asking the same question myself.
EVERYBODY who simply breathes, does it in an artistic way.
how they move is their choice of art.
what their actions are and what they say.. a choice of art.
people should be expected to absorb things much less than me.
but
i refuse to live and suffer.
i am seeing hell in water over here.

if the graphics dont get any better, violence will go up again.
that means release-day improvements that make a point to avoid such violence.

when you are starving and dehydrated.. all aspects of humanity are lost as the essence of survival brings out allure that doesnt give a single breath or spark for intelligence.



the release dates have been pathetic.
people forced to buy a game because the old game is boring, and nothing else is available.
the amount of diversity has shown itself, not only with the individual games, but also the artificial intelligence that plagues the games.
hell..
even the movie-type games have been a waste of money.

i really hope they believe all of the internet and cellphone infrastructure is paid for.. because there isnt a single thing on this planet that i am willing to continue paying for.
i have pride and nobody is going to say something to boost it.
but
that doesnt mean you have to test it.. because some of us are ready to riot.


i hope game developers lose all of their earnings and have to pay out of pocket for their damaging mistakes.
lag, bugs, cheats wont be tolerated regardless of how good the game looks.
dont forget most of us who give a damn have been wise enough to not upgrade their computer for the most recent games.
when we foot that bill.. you are going to ask to take more, and we will be.
as we are all innocent and free until captivated.

i cannot count the number of times i have lost my appetite because of the crumbs the entertainment industry has been feeding.
i cant get a conversation with anybody to rest my love at ease.
the times a brief moment does arise.. reality sets in.


as if my heart is already cracked.. and ya'll are talking about spreading the crack open wide with an abundance of more depression.


i dont see how people can take their own lives when other people are taking it for them.
the only chance of a moment they have is to give up, quit, and become a leader rather than a follower.
and if you are doing this new.. nature has truly blessed you, because the rest of us are seeing the limits of our leadership.

the government should have something to say to me.
but they keep their mouths shut and tightly sealed with addendums that are either an abusive hit or a neglecting miss.



think about it people.
if the arcade rooms had better graphics than what you could get at home..
and they still dried up because the industry wasnt refilling the vibrancy..
what makes you think it wont happen at home?
people will start having more sex or working more.. thats about all of it.
July 26, 2011 2:45:58 PM

and another thing..

these consoles are supposed to last 6 years.
that means the future has already been planned.
the games for the end of the life of the upcoming consoles should already be finished.
they are MANDATORY to keep the release dates spread out to provide something for the people participating.
the music doesnt stop for a disc jockey.
the processors can get whatever label you are willing to read.
what the actual chip is will obviously have an in-house name the consumer public will never ever know.

but..
if the thing is going to last 6 years.
expect to see improvements along the way.
and that means the processing horsepower is going to sit there in secret.
July 26, 2011 3:00:20 PM

:o 
July 26, 2011 3:00:37 PM

Are you honestly implying that when a console releases all the games for its lifetime are finished at that point and they just release them slowly over time? Seriously? That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sorry, but there's this thing called development. It takes time to make a game. Look at the Uncharted series for example. There's voice acting, scripting/writing, texturing, etc. According to you Uncharted 1, 2, and 3 were all finished when the PS3 released in the end of 2006? No, not a chance.
July 26, 2011 3:11:16 PM

MarkG said:
Yeah, because all that console hardware comes free.

Consoles are typically sold below cost price until hardware manufacturing technology advances enough to push the price down to a level where they don't have to rely on overpriced games to subsidise console sales. Where you think those manufacturing advances are going to come from without the massive PC market to push them? And who do you think is going to develop those new console chips without the massive PC market funding the GPU market?


My main point was that "PC Gaming" itself is dwindling ironically (as you pointed out) because of advancement in hardware that we have all been enjoying for a long time. The consoles will never out do what we can put together for gaming systems, but my issue is that not many software companies writing for PC first. They are writing for consoles and (as others have pointed) we get stuck with software that's ported to PC instead of the other way around.
July 26, 2011 3:24:20 PM

Quote:
^x2

I want to slap him for sounding like a conspiracy nut job.

IMO I think this subject is mute. Sure your basic gaming pc might be weaker than the next console system; however, for the most of us I believe this will never happen. Some of the best games to me have been developed for PC only by smaller companies that fit niche gamers. Such as X-com series, X3: TF, biko 3, Rapelay, battleraper, sim city 4, Sims (I don't even count the console version), MMORPG games, tycoon series, capitalism, and many more.

Give me the choice of the power of my CPU/GPU over an out of the box system any day.


As much as PC gaming has been diluted, I can't say it's entirely a bad thing. For one, it's cheaper! You don't need to replace a gaming machine as often. In the end we'll have to, and the inference is because games are needing the greater horsepower, but over a greater time-span. It's just that the requirements for games are ramping up slower than in the past. I'm quite grateful that my graphics card is only 50-60% utilised on a game like the Witcher 2 on max settings right now!
July 26, 2011 3:26:41 PM

umm... what?
if you live such a intolerable life, then die.
you limit the view of your life to the minimum of economics. those are big stuff, and I mean BIG, so big it outsizes your life. but life is not about the big stuff, its the infinite small thing you can reach your hands into, enjoying what surrounds you and the moments you live in. but anyways, not really my type of thing to talk about that, I find it stupid, boring, and... well... a feeling that can only be described by the sound of "bleh".

I kinda want to talk about the gliching part, it is very common for games to have glitches, but its usually like "if you drive a car into a waterfall and make it explode, then before the car peices disappear, you go to the left of the waterfall and stand on a specific depression in the ground, then shoot a M4 into the sky while rotating in 360 then shoot the spot you are standing on then jump 3 times and shoot again while jumping then crouch jump several times and your will start to sink into the ground." seriously, STFU about the bugs and glitches, its not like they just release it into the market freshly compiled for the first time, they have been tested by game testers, most likely for a long time. but you just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing. it freaking happens, and quit being a candy ass and constantly complaint about it, the only people that need to hear about your little accident is the tech support and the programmers so that they can fix the bug, so stop spreading it all over the internet and gives a 1 star rating to the game just because your car flew into the air after trying to hump a truck for 2 hours.
July 26, 2011 3:44:21 PM

trogdor796 said:
Are you honestly implying that when a console releases all the games for its lifetime are finished at that point and they just release them slowly over time? Seriously? That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sorry, but there's this thing called development. It takes time to make a game. Look at the Uncharted series for example. There's voice acting, scripting/writing, texturing, etc. According to you Uncharted 1, 2, and 3 were all finished when the PS3 released in the end of 2006? No, not a chance.



this can only hold true when ONE thing happens.
the PC that the game was developed on is going to be a match with the console.


you only have TWO choices:
1. you use the fastest card available to the consumers to create your game and release it on whatever console is out at the moment, and you might have to remove some things because the console is older.
2. you sign a contract and use a video card that hasnt been released to the public yet.. and then your game is scheduled to appear.

your game is going to be too much for the old console .. or .. too dumb and slow for the new console.
that is what makes removing the operating system and allowing the graphics card and cpu more room to do its thing, much more important.


they say..
oh this game is a console port.
WRONG..
the game was developed on the pc and had to be dumbed down to fit on the already 4 year old console.
and to make things fair.....
the pc version also got dumbed down.


this talk here is for losers.
we arent going to see eye to eye, as we havent already.
the game and simulation college degree wasnt available much until about 10 years ago.
so eat your own words.
voice acting requires finding an actor.. then getting studio time.. money for the studio.. money for the equipment to record the physics.
time to write the script and get it perfect.
the time it takes to make the maps and texture everything.. it could take a single group of people yearS
emphasis on the plural.

the government does it easier..
they record what they want with a video camera and upload it onto the computer.
anything that is going to be controlled gets scanned.. joints get scanned, and a skeletal structure is programmed.
now away you go.

we arent going to win a battle of 'hush hush' contract when i am not obligated to remain silent.

playstation 3 and xbox 360 where being final-tested back in the 1980's
that gives all of those 'secret' programmers PLENTY of time to create a video game.

the grasp on reality was divided the moment i read your reply.
July 26, 2011 3:51:05 PM

Quote:
^x2

I want to slap him for sounding like a conspiracy nut job.

IMO I think this subject is mute. Sure your basic gaming pc might be weaker than the next console system; however, for the most of us I believe this will never happen. Some of the best games to me have been developed for PC only by smaller companies that fit niche gamers. Such as X-com series, X3: TF, biko 3, Rapelay, battleraper, sim city 4, Sims (I don't even count the console version), MMORPG games, tycoon series, capitalism, and many more.

Give me the choice of the power of my CPU/GPU over an out of the box system any day.


your life is what you make of it.
running about talking about how you want to physically harm me is about as chemical as the cocaine in your coca-cola.

the issue at hand was rationale.
now you stepped it down to reality.

i wont keep paying $1,000 after $1,000 for a computer that plays video games.
you can rack up that much money in the graphics cards in 2 years.

there should be a lot more than slapping going on.. and it is from those rhetorics that causes it.
your choice of the word conspiracy has really put-forth a statement on your view of economics.
read what they tell you.. or know some aspect of truth.

passion fail ftw.
July 26, 2011 3:58:06 PM

foverosiv said:
umm... what?
if you live such a intolerable life, then die.
you limit the view of your life to the minimum of economics. those are big stuff, and I mean BIG, so big it outsizes your life. but life is not about the big stuff, its the infinite small thing you can reach your hands into, enjoying what surrounds you and the moments you live in. but anyways, not really my type of thing to talk about that, I find it stupid, boring, and... well... a feeling that can only be described by the sound of "bleh".

I kinda want to talk about the gliching part, it is very common for games to have glitches, but its usually like "if you drive a car into a waterfall and make it explode, then before the car peices disappear, you go to the left of the waterfall and stand on a specific depression in the ground, then shoot a M4 into the sky while rotating in 360 then shoot the spot you are standing on then jump 3 times and shoot again while jumping then crouch jump several times and your will start to sink into the ground." seriously, STFU about the bugs and glitches, its not like they just release it into the market freshly compiled for the first time, they have been tested by game testers, most likely for a long time. but you just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing. it freaking happens, and quit being a candy ass and constantly complaint about it, the only people that need to hear about your little accident is the tech support and the programmers so that they can fix the bug, so stop spreading it all over the internet and gives a 1 star rating to the game just because your car flew into the air after trying to hump a truck for 2 hours.


first of all.. have something for yourself to say.
jumping to 'STFU' is using MY words for vibrancy.
you didnt say much at all except some proof that you have no concept or idea as to how the game mechanics work at the programming level.

when you write the engine wrong.. that is how those things happen.
trigonometry will cause those collisions again and again.
if you adjust some things to stop the collision from happening.. you could break something else by forming a new collision.

that is one way to kill yourself.
do it right and the truth will set you free.
July 26, 2011 4:00:26 PM

mfw we were talking about PS4
July 26, 2011 4:10:22 PM

consoles are always going to keep the computer video cards at $500 ?

that isnt fair.
the game gets dumbed down to make things even with the console.. and then the $500 is going to need a new one in 12 months.

no wonder the consoles have been dieing.. because PC gamers spend 3x - 4x more to play the video games than console gamers do.. and they get absolutely ZERO benefit.

i think we should be reserving the dead consoles to people that deserve their system remotely shut off.
and that opens up a big door to bring the cost of video gaming between console and pc to a whole new perspective.


it is hard to see eye to eye with a person about it when they try to substantiate the cost of the rest of the computer because of all the extra things it can supposedly do.
the internet is offensive.. you have proven that point perfectly.

nothing to do except video chat and watch youtube.. or shop.
i want more for my money.
and if i am willing to put together some hardware piece by piece.. the operating system should stfu and let me play my video game, so i can absorb the benefits of the higher cost.


the extra things my pc CAN do and DOES do are completely different.
my vote goes to 'dont flatter yourself.. the internet is one slip away from being wasteland'

all i get is a mild newspaper to read and a bunch of punks farting an opinion.
July 26, 2011 5:29:55 PM

I had every intention of reading those many, many long posts, but ended up skimming through them and came up with blah blah blah yall are retarded. look, Consoles will not be more powerful than PC's at the time. YES they will be 10x more powerful than the previous generation consoles, but will be released with newer tech, that is already being ran in PCs. The same thing happened when the 360 and ps3 came out. for the masses they looked sensational. i remember thinking " Ive been able to run that *** for a year now". its just how things go with consoles, the moment they are built, they are obsolete.
July 26, 2011 5:30:59 PM

oh and ill go with the flow of this thread and double post.
WHAT is with the rediculous eyebrow ring?
July 26, 2011 6:38:39 PM

@anwaypasible: Find a psychologist and tell it to him, will you.
July 26, 2011 9:46:51 PM

Quote:
IMO I think the economy has some blame here. Looking at it from a business aspect would you rather program a game first for a system owned by millions of people or for the PC crowd that could have requirements from a 500-2000 dollar gaming rig? PC gaming isn't going anywhere. Its just running lean like everything else in this bad time we are in.


It's been running leaner end leaner for a long time. Eventually the bottom line for "game developers" will not include PC titles. We will continue to get regurgitated crap that was made for an inferior system.
July 27, 2011 4:45:54 AM

julius 85 said:
OK, could you give me a source?

Sorry for double post.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-10054251-82.html?t...;1n an old article but as its from around the time design and development started i though , why not...
Quote:

SCEI has officially chosen IBM’s currently in development POWER7 architecture for its PlayStation 3 system (stated in an article on ps3clan.nl[4]), currently scheduled for a 2012 worldwide release. IBM shall debut POWER7 for the server market in the summer of 2010. The PlayStation 4 shall use a cost effective version of the architecture custom designed for Sony’s specific needs.

The only information FGNOnline currently has available regarding specifications and performance is that the PS4 implementation of the chip shall use 6-8 cores, 24-32MB shared L3 Cache, Quad threading per core, and a double precision performance approaching 200GFLOPS. The CELL chip which powers the PS3 is capable of 15 double precision GFLOPS. This would give the PS3 a performance leap of over 10 fold over its predecessor.

Interestingly, the primary reason IBM cancelled development on the CELL based PoweXcell 8i is because of SCEI’s change of stance. The company wanted to move away from the exotic architecture employed for the PS3 to a more traditional architecture favoured by third party developers. As displayed by its choice of processors, the server based POWER7 and the TBDR based PowerVR 6, SCEI once again has sights set for performance leadership in the next round.
July 27, 2011 4:53:50 AM

diellur said:
:o 

i know. its almost as if he knows what he's talking about... but his sell for $600 and made for $20 , just stoped me reading rite there...
sony didnt make a profit on there console till last year. when they first cam out they were selling at a $300 loss per console. as time went by the cost came down due to smaller parts and cheaper manufacturing costs (followed closley by a rise in fail rate)...


anyways thats history... time to look forward and see what they bring, how badly it will hold pc gaming back and for how long...
July 27, 2011 11:21:28 AM

FlintIronStagg said:
oh and ill go with the flow of this thread and double post.
WHAT is with the rediculous eyebrow ring?


'rediculous' is the same when i have a matching earring in my ear?

if anybody gave much care to their video recording.. perhaps they could use the chrome balls to get a view from the reflection.

:hello: 
July 27, 2011 11:28:00 AM

Quote:
Me thinks he is basement dwelling virgin.


perhaps i would of been much more upset, or hostile, if that sentence said 'he is a basement dwelling virgin'

i think 'basement dwelling virgin' and 'me thinks' (or 'me thoughts') go hand in hand together.
could be said, it is much better to be from the basement with your own personal thoughts.. than to be outside all the time getting brain washed by the many different offerings.
July 27, 2011 11:30:43 AM

julius 85 said:
@anwaypasible: Find a psychologist and tell it to him, will you.


my mouth gets muffled obnoxiously easy when face to face.
but
i think psychologists are not something you can go to, instead.. they come to you.
July 27, 2011 11:55:15 AM

pc's are always going to offer the chance for stronger processors and multiple screens.

putting that kinda 'stuff' into the console is only going to boost the cost for people who dont want or need it.
plus,
it is simply one more 'chance' for the thing to fail or become corrupt.


we could get benefits like higher resolution textures, or any such improvement that stems from what crysis 2 let out.
could be a new direct x version 'early'
higher resolution textures because the PC video cards have enough RAM that the new consoles will be needing.
maybe combined with upgraded physics or some of the volumetric effects.

it would be 'what ever' based on what the PC hardware allows.
obviously..
there could be a 'deluxe' edition to match what the PC hardware had early.
but release the upgraded version for the next generation console that can run all of the upgrades.
and make sure you let the fans know they will have a choice to buy the downgraded version now.. or wait for the higher quality version later.
and this wouldnt mean much until your release date is towards the end of life cycle for the currently available console.
and that is when the studio can 'revive' the game by releasing an update for the PC version that upgrades textures or whatever.

if it was up to me.
i would make about 1,000 copies of the 'deluxe' game if it was late.
and i would put the data on a re-writeable disc.
if the stuff doesnt sell.. at least the discs could be erased and new data put on, and slap a new sticker on the top of the disc.
plastic cases are a dime a dozen.. and the paper would need to be recycled.

not the cost effectiveness of doing it perfect the first time, but not a total loss (or big loss of profit).
that punch in the face could tell the developers clearly about their fanbase for the style of game they created.
obviously if the game falls short.. they could have a look at the content and improve it in the future.

some people dont have enough room to give it their all.
those that do give it their all and fall short.. they are basically out of business until they have an indepth look at their artist portfolio.
if the new designs are the same junk.. that artist gets laid off/fired.
July 27, 2011 2:34:19 PM

sure is lots of butthurt in here.
July 27, 2011 8:53:34 PM

Wow anywaypasible, is that a quadruple post? That's a new record for what I've seen, even for this thread! This is just too funny to keep reading.
July 27, 2011 11:12:14 PM

anwaypasible said:
perhaps i would of been much more upset, or hostile, if that sentence said 'he is a basement dwelling virgin'

i think 'basement dwelling virgin' and 'me thinks' (or 'me thoughts') go hand in hand together.
could be said, it is much better to be from the basement with your own personal thoughts.. than to be outside all the time getting brain washed by the many different offerings.



you're taking what he said too literally. He did not type "me thinks" because he thought that was proper english, he said that in jest.

He thinks your full of ***. FYI, he does not think you consist of only ***...

DERP
July 27, 2011 11:43:25 PM

I think this thread is sounding more and more like a flame war than an actual discussion about games, perhaps it's time to chill down a bit?

July 28, 2011 11:42:16 AM

My favourite post of this forum from anywaypasible

"playstation 3 and xbox 360 where being final-tested back in the 1980's
that gives all of those 'secret' programmers PLENTY of time to create a video game. "

lolwut?????
July 28, 2011 2:24:01 PM

i think those that follow along the path either laugh together at an eye to eye pace.
or
something is seriously torturing and rage begins to grow.
!