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I respect this site for it's completeness and former unbias in all it's reviews. Now with Intel's Hyper-Threading, THG has created an entire page just dedicated to the feature. No problem, considering that it MIGHT potentially be important to certain people. However, normally I wouldn't mind that they would post it, but now they put it very prominently on their front page and when you go to the page, lo and behold... guess who it's "sponsored" by? Intel. How can an article about INTEL's hyperthreading be reliable (as far as no bias) if it's sponsored by INTEL? Doesn't sound too "honest" to me. I've noticed more ads recently on THG, so is THG looking for more $$ and actually cross the line and let Intel sponsor a specific article(s) that may exalt Intel's product(s)? Sure, it's fine that they (AMD or Intel) sponsor the site as a whole, but specific articles concerning the sponsor's products supported almost exclusively by the sponsor themselves are rather disturbing, isn't it?

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Tom was the first one to raise the flag about poor P4 performance, about the 1.13GHz PIII glitch, and testified against Intel's partner in the RAMBUS patent scam. So he's not pulling any punches. I think it's more a matter of "when the sight starts writing favorable articles about a company's products, that company wants to advertise them there". Recently Tom's has been down on AMD for slow product releases, but I haven't seen any clear bias in the comparisons. Rather, I believe these articles are trying to prove a point that's missed by most "single process" benchmarks: That is, while HT might make the CPU look slightly slower in single apps as used in most benchmarks, in the real world people multitask, and that's where HT shines.

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Reply to Crashman

Why is it that every time someone sees an ad on a Web site they assume the site has sold out, particularly if they don't like the opinions expressed. We have had ads and placements equal to Intel's for AMD, and was that a case of us being biased towards AMD at the time?

Clearly, an advertiser will want to be positioned next to articles that are contextually relevant. They do it everywhere. Notice how many mobo companies have ads in Tom's Mainboard section?

I get a little sick and tired of the innuendo about Tom's selling out every time someone sees an ad or sponsorship. Sales and Editorial have nothing to do with each other. Period.

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Reply to saintbabs

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in the real world people multitask, and that's where HT shines.


That's what I've been trying to say all along, to everyone and to the advertisement department of HT.

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Reply to eden

And I read through the HT section... including the newest article, which does read more like propaganda, instead of the hard facts, but that wasn't Tom or the usual staff... it was Bruce, someone that I have never noticed before (Sorry Bruce, if I haven't seen you around before), and someone that isn't listed in the About Us section anywhere. Perhaps a freelance writer. Every article seems to be done by different people, so you should expect some sort of differences in each persons preferences. It isn't until all articles show a definate bend towards one or the other would I say there is an bias. Specific reviews, perhaps, but the site in general seems to have remained pretty unbiased. Makes me believe that the writers have quite a bit of free reign to write as they wish... the way it should be.

But yes, the supplemental page that features all Intel products (not just HT enabled products, mind you) is a little over the top, but perhaps it is the work of someone else that THG decided to host. Since it isn't part of the main site, and the only link seems to be through that one article, I'm comfortable in saying it doesn't reflect THGs overall attitude about hardware.

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Reply to SammyBoy

The supplement also highlights THG's new look, which will be launched on December 8.

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Reply to saintbabs

Ahhh... that would explain it... is there anywhere around here that I can post some critique? I like it mostly, cept for the icons for each of the sections... looks a little less professional than the current icons. Otherwise, it looks good.

-SammyBoy

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Reply to SammyBoy

a news site is just that: REPORT THE NEWS. would you babies grow up. i see this site doesn't change much. haven't been here for months. come back for a few days and it's still the same old whining. you ever stop to think that maybe if amd got off their ass and put out a product instead of all this paper launch and delay bs that maybe tom's staff would write about them? hell i wish someone from THG went to intel HQ and did a "day in the life of an intel worker..." type of thing. maybe someone from amd might read it and see what it takes to get stuff going. i mean what do you want? to see an article on intel's HT sponsored by amd? c'mon. and i suppose you think radio stations play those particular songs because people <b>actually</b> want to listen to them?

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Reply to mbetea

Well that surprises me!
I dunno, I feel the new layout is bland, but perhaps it'll change since now it's only HT axed.
I am interested however in the how HT will affect gaming coming soon article, seems interesting.
It's true the website has not had any face lift since its beginning or so I remember, so a new one might be needed.

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Reply to eden

Sure there'll be plenty of people with something say about the new look :)

Points taken. We're just trying to make it easier for people to read through the pages, and print them without huge amounts of black ink :)

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Reply to saintbabs

What I would love is informative articles like the ones arstechnica.com tells, to inform and educate us about the CPU architecture in-depth. Would really boost THG's knowledgeable reputation.
Additionally more enthusiast mods of hardware are needed, just for fun!

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Reply to eden

I don't know about the biased claim. If this site is about news (which it is), it does a much better job reporting unbiased information than its peers. Also, take a look at the major news outlets and magazines; almost every article seems like its dripping with editorial and opinion. Ever read Time magazine without seeing an article spun to the left. How about Foxnews with it beating the right viewpoint to death. In a time where sensationalism is news, I appreciate Tom's balanced approach. When things are spun it makes me feel like the author is trying to manipulate me. However, with all that said, the hyperthreading article seemed over-the-top. I haven't seen any hard numbers to support the "24% increase" in performance, although I really haven't been looking. The introduction was full of enough hyperbole that I didn't pursue the article any further. Maybe its all style, but the author sounded like he was more excited about hyperthreading than what it actually delivers.

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Reply to Grub

THG looks like sold out for it's special HT supplements. Banner ads are fine. If THG had a banner ad everyday on top of the home page for Intel/HT, it would not look like THG is "sold out". Or THG might put banner ad with every cpu guide article. Anandtech is an example of it. They don't look like "sold out" and they are making money from tons of Intel/HT banner ads.

The current layout is nice, I don't see any reason for changing it.

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

A while ago Toms apparently sold out to AMD. :smile:

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Reply to lhgpoobaa

the new look will take some getting used to. first impression is, i like it. as far as the accusation about selling out. as soon as any one advertises somthing, people think they sold out. some actor does a comercial for a shaver, people think they sold out. the moral of the story is, you try to make a buck without critisizing your sponsor at the same time you sold out!

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Reply to jihiggs

Though I agree with the fact that having banners on your site from a ceratin cmopany, doesn't mean that you were sopld out by it, I think of this supplement thing as rather weird. Look at it, is there any reference to AMD on that part of THG? Not a single one. To me it is quite clear that Intel paid Tom, or whomever of the THG-team, for making a page only covering Intel news. And I think that is a little over the edge. And don't say that this hapened before, I heve been visiting THG for three or four years now, and not once there was an AMD-section nor an Intel-dedicated section.
Bottom line: This is a different kind of sponsoring that happened here, and to me, it does diminish THG's credibility, at least on the articles posted in that section.

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Reply to bikeman

You said exactly what I was trying to say. Banner ads are fine, but this kind of sponsoring is bad. It may arise suspention in anybody's mind (except fanboys of the sponsor company) that THG is working for this sponsor.

I hope THG will not do this kind of thing in future for any company (including Intel/AMD/ATI/nVidia). I am afraid that we may see special GeForce-FX supplement sponsored by nVidia or a special x86-64/Hyper Transport supplement sponsored by AMD in near future.

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

Yeeeeeeeeeee.......... Let's just all get along! =D

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