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a b V Motherboard
September 1, 2001 8:28:24 AM

Hi all, ok wrong forum for what I am about to ask but since I get little response down there I am trying here.

I have an Acer Prisa 610s scanner on SCSI ISA card, my new M/B only has PCI expansion slots, I need suggestions and information on a PCI/SCSI card that is compatable with my scanner. Can all SCSI interface scanners, HDD's, cd's all be running from the one SCSI card?

I have mailed the tech support at ACER with no response as of yet.

Thanks in advance :smile:



Medication helps :smile:

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a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 7:27:47 AM

I've used many standard SCSI adapters, both PCI and ISA, on Acer SCSI scanners without a problem.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 9:05:39 AM

Yep thankyou for replying Crash'.

If I want scsi HDD's can I have the scanner on the same line is what I really want to know, and having a narrow width device will/wont slow down everything else?

Another thing, are Adaptec scsi cards considered good?

This is what Iam looking at.(For US$ divide by half)

Adaptec~AD29160N
OEM 29160N PCI 32-bit Bus SCSI Bare Card, Ultra 160 SCSI 68 & 50 pin $489.50 Aud (Thinking this one)

Adaptec~AD2930
2930 PCI Bus SCSI Controller, 50-pin int and ext connectors, Retail box $225.50 Aud

I will be buying from <A HREF="http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/" target="_new">Auspcmarket</A>/controllers.

For the scanner, if separate pci card is required there are a number of cheap versions, what should I look out for in a card?

Sure ask a lot of questions dont I.

Thankyou for your assistance.




Medication helps :smile:
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a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 6:17:59 PM

Every time I put a SCSI scanner or SCSI zip drive on a 50-pin SCSI II chain, the entire chain slows down to SCSI 1 speeds. OUCH. So I would put the scanner on a chain with slower devices, such as a SCSI ZIP, SCSI floppy, etc.

Other SCSI guys tell me they've never had that problem, so maybe I've been doing something wrong?

Back to you Tom...
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 6:19:25 PM

Oh, and Adaptecs supposed to be the best. While I question if they are the best, I do think they make good products, and use them almost exclusively.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 6:38:12 PM

Thanks for the reply.
Was readin up on it in the meantime and apparently ya got to put slower drives from 0 to 5 or 6 and pos'7 is for the main fastest drive then the rest of the faster drives from 8 upwards or whatever on the chain. So much to learn about it, to much info overload at present and to expensive to experiment.

Well what if I get a el'cheapo card for the short term until I work this out, whats the best cheapest buy in your opinion for average performance for my scanner? (anything worthwhile on the site link above?)

Much appreciated.



Medication helps :smile:
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scotty3303 on 09/03/01 04:39 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 2, 2001 6:42:25 PM

Crashman gives good advice, and I agree with him on all points. Yes, Adaptec is very reliable for SCSI controllers, and with most of their controllers they are backwards compatible. Meaning that you can connect slower devices to their own bus chain, seperate from the faster bus chain devices whithout degredation (as long as you give the slower device the highest priority on the SCSI bus, e.g., a slower CD ROM should be asigned and ID # of 3-6, and faster HDD ID # 0-2 (higher ID has the highest priority).

Sorry, didn't mean to get too technical, but your SCSI scanner should coexist fine along with your other SCSI devices. One other thing to consider, if you are planning to upgrade to Win2k/XP, you may want to check hardware compatibility also for your older devices. :cool:

JC-------<*){{{>{~~~~~
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a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 6:51:11 PM

Ok, confused more than ever, but hey technical is good, keeps me thinking..lol.. Thankyou.

Medication helps :smile:
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 7:05:15 PM

I don't know if you'll find a bette deal, but used 2940 cards are cheap.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 7:19:27 PM

What about this card for the short term until I get some $$$

<A HREF="http://www.tekram.com/hot_products.asp?Product=DC-3X5_S..." target="_new">#TEKDC315U </A>
Tekram DC315U PCI SCSI card 20mb/sec 50-pin int & ext..$66.00 AUD ($30 USD)This is very cheap for here, that concerns me somewhat.

Any opinions please?

I have Win ME o/s and a few spare pci slots.



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a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 7:59:17 PM

Thanks a heap :smile: very helpful response..

Medication helps :smile:
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 8:00:23 PM

Thankyou Crashman for you replies and advice, very much appreciated.

Medication helps :smile:
September 2, 2001 8:11:47 PM

The Tekram DC315U card that you referenced looks good, but it only went as far as 98/95/NT for compatibility.

I know that cost is your concern at the moment. However, from my experience I made the wrong decision based on cost limitations.

What I mean is that I purchased the cheapest SCSI controller that I could afford at the moment instead of waiting until I had enough $$ to do better. In the long run I ended up spending three times as much a couple years later to meet the requirements of ever changing technical advancement.

Just a recommendation, and I'm not a salesman :smile: but try to find a not too pricey card that at least meets the standards of today's technology. Good Luck!

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a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 8:14:15 PM

So no good for Millenium o/s?

Medication helps :smile:
September 2, 2001 8:25:12 PM

Me OS, not according to the link in your post. Just be sure you are getting exactly what you need. Some companies will lure you in by offering you software upgrades for their soon to be obsolete hardware. Remember, you always get exactly what you pay for.

JC-------<*){{{>{~~~~~
Fisher of men<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jc14all on 09/02/01 04:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 2, 2001 8:33:07 PM

Can someone refresh my memory please. I haven't touched SCSI since college so I was wondering...

ID#s are 0-15 and one of them is already reserved?

<b> :smile: <font color=blue>They changed the sig of the week!</font color=blue> :smile: </b>
September 2, 2001 8:35:23 PM

Check my post above with the link saying "SCSI ID's".

JC-------<*){{{>{~~~~~
Fisher of men
September 2, 2001 8:45:21 PM

Allrighty then. Many thanks.

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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 8:49:06 PM

Its good to get quality advice, be lucky to get anything like this at the local puter shop! let alone from tech support from a manufacturer.

Medication helps :smile:
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 9:28:59 PM

I still reccomend the 2940, as it is compatable with every operating system, cheap (around $30 used, but also available cheaper in trash systems). It's been around for maybe 8 years and will work with all your SCSI II devices )(supports SCSI 3 devices at the slower SCSI II rate). Perfect for all your slower devices, such as CD-ROM's Zip drives and scanners.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 2, 2001 9:35:11 PM

Would not even know where to find a trashed one over here. I think I might just wait until I have the $$$ for the 29160 32bit, no need for 64bit right?

What about the Adaptec 2930 PCI Bus SCSI Controller, 50-pin int and ext? Reason being its available at my purchase site.

Medication helps :smile:
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scotty3303 on 09/03/01 07:53 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
a b V Motherboard
September 3, 2001 2:06:52 AM

Sounds good to me.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
September 3, 2001 5:41:55 AM

My email to Acer....

-----Original Message-----
From: scotty
Sent:
To: service-tw@acercm.com.tw
Subject: Help with Acer

Hello,
I have recently upgraded my computer motherboard to one that doesn't support the ISA slot expansion card to SCSI adapter for my Acer Prisa 610s scanner.
There are a number of PCI slot expansion SCSI adapters on the market and I would like to be sure I get the right one, this scanner is to good to upgrade.

What I need to know is there a preferred PCI expansion slot card for SCSI adaption best suiting the scanner?
Your recommendation will be much appreciated,

Regards,

Scotty
----------------------------------------------------------

Dear Sir/Madam :
This is Customer Service Department of Acer Communication & Multimedia Asia
Pacific Inc.
Thanks for your message.

1.You can purchase a SCSI card to fit PCI slot as long as it is ASPI
compatible.
2.You can upgrade the driver which available in following web site.
.MiraScan V3.42
<A HREF="http://www.acercm.com.tw/products/scan/service/drivers/..." target="_new">http://www.acercm.com.tw/products/scan/service/drivers/...;/A>

Best regards
CMP Service Center
-------------------------------------------




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a b V Motherboard
September 3, 2001 6:05:23 AM

All Adaptec cards have been ASPI compatable for at least 10 years, and most generic cards have been for at least 7.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 3, 2001 12:03:24 PM

Today I finally bought an Adaptec 29160N Ultra 160 SCSI OEM pci card, it should arrive in a day or two :smile: .

Thankyou to all who gave advice, it made the choice easier.


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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 12, 2001 10:24:00 PM

Well what a magic piece of gear this Adaprec 29160 scsi card is!
After finally working through a few IRQ/driver conflicts its so increadibly fast at scanning now, used a 68M-DB25M adapter cable. Although I now have an issue with a bsod on shutdown in WinME, wtf is this never happend before?

Just need a few scsi HDD's now for extreme speed, and a good cd.rw what are some of the better brands?

(I will post the disk question in another thread)


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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 2:02:25 AM

Plextor, Sony, and Yamaha all make good SCSI CDRW's. I've been looking at some good SCSI RAID cards on Ebay, thinking of doing some (maybe 4) inexpensive 40MB/s drives in RAID 0.

Back to you Tom...
October 13, 2001 5:20:52 AM

I have used this very card for over a year with no problems, except for one, you will need to make sure that you get a converter if your scanner has a different cable connection than the one on the SCSI controller. You can find these at most Computer stores and on the web. If you have the info, could you tell us how many pins (or how wide) your SCSI scanner has. This would help in finding the right adapter.

If it works for you then don't fix it.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 7:49:01 AM

Yes, its a DB25F out from the scanner. Scanner works fine, Adaptec site virtually said its ok to adapt down from 68 pin to 25 pin. Iam currently running my scanner from the external LVD68 port on the card, I had thought of plugging into the 50 pin internal port.


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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 7:53:29 AM

I have always liked what Yamaha produces. Whats the fastest way to burn, I have heard that scsi cd(rw) too cdr(w) are the go?


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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 8:07:51 AM

I don't have room personally for a lot of drives, so I use an IDE DVD-Rom to SCSI CD-RW without a hitch. I hear that the Lite-On ltd-163 DVD-ROM can sustain over 16x DAE (19x average), which would help you to cut down on CD-Drives (only two needed, one DVD and one CDRW).

Back to you Tom...
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 8:13:32 AM

Oh, but of course the Yamaha 8x4x24 can do DAE at 24x I think.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 8:17:35 AM

That sounds the way to go.

I was briefly (as an option)looking at the Ricoh MP9120A 32x12x10x8 CD-RW DVD drive, IDE internal drive w/Justlink Burnproof set up.
Do you know what it is like?


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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 8:21:40 AM

Quote:
I hear that the Lite-On ltd-163 DVD-ROM can sustain over 16x DAE (19x average), which would help you to cut down on CD-Drives (only two needed, one DVD and one CDRW).

Could you elaborate a little please, is a tiny bit unknowledgeable in this area....thanx..



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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 8:35:29 AM

Yes, I was lead to several benchmarks by another forum member. Read through <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">THIS THREAD</A> for more.
DAE is Digital Audio Extraction as is the thing most likely to cause buffer underruns because audio is always ripped at a lower speed than data. So the faster DAE the better.

Back to you Tom...
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 8:45:09 AM

Burn Proof is nice, but is not necessary in SCSI as long as your reader can keep up. In IDE other factors besides drive speed get involved, such as hard drive access. I think the best possible combination when your limmited to two drives is a DVD with good DAE speed and a SCSI CDRW. BEtter yet is a SCSI CD-ROM with super-fast DAE, a SCSI CDRW, and a separate DVD, but that puts you up to three drives.
If you really like the drive you mentioned, I recommend you put it on it's own channel and get a fast SCSI reader.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 11:18:38 AM

LTD-163, ok.
Good thread to read thankyou.

Ok, here is the problem, "Australia" yep, no dealers in top quality items without the old comment, "oooh ok, we will check it out for you and get back to you within a week". Basically most have no idea and prolly do what Iam doing now ....asking!

I see everyone quoting 80 USD for a SCSI CDRW drive! wow, our dollar at present is roughly half of that and my last check on a Yammie SCSI CDRW here was $255 USD or 525 Australian.

My recent experience with DDR memory confirmed it is sometimes better to buy online and get it half the price and delivered on my door step in a week!

Give me good purchasing sites PLEASE, pleaSE. My last purchase was from Crucial and I am completely satisfied.



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a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 7:36:02 PM

Hey, you know I just got an add from a company that did business in the U.S., U.K, and AU. Can't remember who it was, I threw it away!

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
October 13, 2001 10:13:14 PM

Ok thats helpful.lol

I think I might investigate buying direct.
That ram(pc2100 x256mb x2sticks) I bought from Crucial cost $60.50 USD less than yumm-cha stuff I could get here.



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