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only if it can pass the emissions tests this is probably gonna cost more than the car did to bring it up to legal standards

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What kind of Vauxhall are you getting? The VX220?

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Yeah.

Kentucky: 15 million people, 5 last names....

Ah, well we shall see. I know for one that Hyundai's changing a lot, comparing to the bigger companies like Toyota.

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almost all transportation manufacturing will move to where yourr mobo chipsets are made today before we run out of oil, so i'm with you on this. europe, america and japan will loose most of the car manufacturing.

What do you mean exactly?

That Korean car makers are only gonna grow their success?


BTW I had to get this off my chest but ...
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I just feel like luxury in this god cheap 22 000$ (about 14000$US) CDN fully loaded car with remote starter, that gives this absolute comfort and lets my dad have fun driving in manual and auto at the same time. The Sonata 2002 is one car that everyone who is short on money should look at for his family. The look itself is so slick that it reminds of my days in Lebanon where you only drive Mercedes, BMWs and such, and this one has Mercedes looks, and the behind of a Jaguar which the model was aquired by Hyundai to put it in the behind.
People in the family complain how they paid too much more than us did while we get the better deal. My grandpa owns a Camry 2002 and he complained how he pays 1500$ CDN more at down, and 40$ more per month (350$CDN) while he feels more comfortable in ours and it is basically the same thing except more luxurious. Of course since the crash tests revealed Camry was the best in all of them sedans, I feel safe knowing he's driving a car which protects him, being an old person who's having some trouble occasionally when driving.
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Lada isn't very powerful or good looking, but it is a damn good car. True u may need to kick it from time to time, but it lasts. I come from Bulgaria and visit there (hoping to go this summer) and a lot of the people I know have Ladas. Some have had them for over 20 years with a few small maintenances. Seriously, those cars last! I mean they drive over some roads u wouldn't dare to in a car, cause it'd break it apart. They're very sturdy cars. O, and yes, the VX220 is a very nice looking car, but it costs a lot less than other cars I been looking at (if I do well in school and graduate and get into a good college (MIT, Columbia U, etc) my dad's allowing me upto $40,000 for a car. If I win scholarships or anything like that, that money gets transferred on too.

Kentucky: 15 million people, 5 last names....

You forgot about American cars, also lasting 1 year! haha.

Did you know that since the Ford Focus was introduced in 2000, the thing has had 13 recalls! 13! Not even Daewoo, Hyundai, or Kia beat that. Fords have got to be the biggest pieces of crap on the market.

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yes, and big time

But I don't understand why?

Unless this is the same reason as mine, my own reason would be simply that some are realizing competition is getting fiercer so they force themselves. Dunno about the US but here in Canada, plenty of Hyundai adds everywhere on TV, (though so little Sonata ones ) and according to statistics, Quebec has the biggest share of Hyundai's cars sold in Canada. I can't stress how many Accents you see each day lol.

But if your reason is different, please share.
I personally don't see Toyota getting any weaker, their Camry for example is still the best selling car since 4 years, and I don't see why not, it's a clear winner sedan, albeit being like 5000$ CDN more than ours.

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Since it's an import car, the car isn't subject to the same laws at a car bought from a manufacturer in US. But some laws may prevent you from importing some cars I heard. You'll need to get more information.

Perhaps but my dad doesn't have nor feels like spending over 1500$ more on down payment and 40$ more per month for the very same car, with possibly less features that we use in our current!
That's the problem with the extra 5000$ needed for a japanese car. Same as Intel, I am NOT going to pay over 100$ if the CPU is the SAME performing, and has the same OCing capabilities. In other words it's jacked up for its name, like Wilamettes were.

In reality? Can you attest that the numbers/statistics are the same for 2002?
Can you say that a car company will be the same forever? Are Hyundais as crash-prone and reliable-zero as in 1990? Can AMD still be the worst in stability for all these years and always be like that? Does being an American car maker mean you will ALWAYS have crappy quality no matter what you try?
Sorry but to me reality changes, you can't continue with the same prejudice always. If I am not mistaken now there seems to be reports of Corollas not running at their designed HP like Hyundais' cars lately, and that after many tests, they indeed failed to run at the advertised speed. It's not like Japanese cars are 100% free of any problems. Same as Intel, they may be up there in that segment, but that sure as hell does not mean you won't get problems.

Competition is what it does. I can also attest that Hyundai's cars are getting more and more attention as well. However this is because their market is mainly in Québec. I see tons of Accents each day. I see more and more Sonata 2002-03s ever since we got one. Most professional reviewers are noticing the rise in quality/price that the company is getting. They are changing and you and many others who still continue to feel that a said country=said quality will have to learn a bit more that nothing is constant. For a while Intel had the worst processors you can possibly pay for, and you could barely feel satisfied. They even ran hot, picture this! *rolls eyes*
I don't wanna sound like I am some Hyundai fanboy but I do honestly get tired of the same prejudiced opinions. It's like those friggin Intellites, always the same reason: AMDs are hot, they crash, they burn, they are not stable. I got news for ya, some people are running AXPs at over 1.8GHZ, at 35ºC with retail cooling.


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Again that is utter bull for current times until you prove me that there have been many of these cases lately, not before.

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Ok well as I said, I will hold you on this for one year. IF and IF by next year we have not run into any problems, I will seriously lose a lot of respect in you.

This is the exact, yes EXACT same attitude as with anti-AMD users or anti-VIA. Same excuse or prejudice, AMDs are hot, they burn, VIAs crash.
All of these are no longer applicable. VIAs have been refined, I own a KT266A and have not had any problems even when using an SB Live with it. It will be a year now in January since I have it.
My AMD is not burning up, nor toasting, it may run hot, but that's purely because I have very horrid case airflow and the Volcano 7 is not using proper goop.
Do tell me flame, is that who you want to be classified with? I'd be seriously disappointed if so, but this is the exact same scenario as with the car world (as often PCs are compared to cars these days!), and it seems you want to stay with that segment.

I often dare myself and go with companies people would always avoid, like VIA, or Hyundai. And I will challenge the reality, if that's what it seems now.
My uncle, not to brag or anything, is a very wise person, an extremly powerful debater that I just can't bring down. He is a wise business man as well. When we told him about our lease, he did not say anything or object as he did once to American cars. In fact he complimented the nice car we have. I know now when he gives approval, there is little chance of being wrong with what we chose. It could be perhaps that his wife has an Accent 2001, but he has a Camry, been a loyal one to Toyota. His wife's car is over a year old and runs perfectly from what I gather. All I know is, with his approval, I do feel like he's confident we have quality. If he had objected, we'd have known but he is a fairly minded car expert.

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I have a question, Which is more expensive: a brand new Hyundai Sonata or a '99 Mercedes Benz C class (not the hatchback)?

I do agree that competetion from Hyundai can bring toyota's prices down but the word on Hyundai cars is that they're made of paper. The Sonata looks good tho

Well my dad bought the extended mileage, to 24000KM, which is about 14900 miles according to my Convert.exe program.

Before going on, I just have to add we used to have a Sunfire 1999 or 2000, for 3 years. Once again, NO PROBLEMS. My dad only had to replace the brakes or whatever but if I am not mistaken that is natural to all cars. He did however had to replace the wheel plates (I'm no car expert so I barely know the nomenclature of parts!) because of local vandalism hooligans taking the plates off town cars (happened in Montreal too, it's like epidemic) and fix one door which was damaged, again by vandalism. I am even starting to ask myself why are the american cars really dissed on nowadays. I do see the Chrysler thing, but for companies like Pontiac, I just have to ask myself sometimes. Look at trucks for example, seriously, do you see any Japanese utility trucks? Hell no!
I have never seen Toyota's trucks around, all I see is pure american Ford F-xxx, Dodge RAMs or whatever. Yet apparently american cars are crap. So why are american trucks and vans so famous and we don't see many construction projects being wrecked due to some truck failure?

Anyways back to the mileage thing, we haven't really gotten our Sunfire over 20K KM, as it was the lease limit (we only bought the extended for our new car) but we sure got pretty much there often. The car stood many a bumps.

My dad works in Montreal, therefore he takes trips each week there and comes back in the weekend to Hull to see us. That means he does about 440KM in total per week for the trip, then you add the usual runaround town ones. He sure as hell uses the car for trips. So again, can you justify that a Korean car will go kaput on him unlike his old Sunfire?
And also we did today our first trip to Montreal in the car, well it counts as a trip to me anyways. I wanted to see how comfy a long ride is in the new car. I was not let down, it is still the most comfy car I've been in, soft seats and very well put.
Oh and who the heck drive over 41 000KM in 2 years?! Is your mom like travelling from one side of the US to the other every week or what?!

I think any car can be fixed if it's been hit. My dad is an example, my grandpa is an example.
Again I refer to you to my uncle who is indeed a knowledgeable dude. I saw him yesterday, again I could feel the person's confidence level being high. He's a big-time fan of the Camry, and I do not blame him as it is indeed a greatly evolving car with its new model, however how on earth does a conscious buyer like him allow his wife....to buy a Hyundai car? Hmm?
And the town has tons of Accents and Elantras around, since years... so how come word around here isn't as harsh as word around YOUR town?

Nope, you are filled with prejudice.
I go the risky way to try things and give SECOND chances. I am getting a WD drive despite the history of having these drives being crash prone. I got a VIA system, and am living happy with it. I got a hot processor and am proud. And I got a Korean car, and I am defying once more the usual "word around"...

Perhaps you just live in a cursed town...

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Well yer wrong.

2 years on my Elantra...no problems at all.

6 years on my Accent, before the Elantra...no problems at all (other than a cracked windshield from flying debris on a road and a piece of exhaust pipe (at the 3 year mark) that was covered under warranty.

hmm...looks like your theory is a bit *off*

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Still not as much distance as my mom puts on her Corolla. You may luck out, who knows, but from my experience w/ these cars (not prejudice) I have found they break more easily than the Toyotas and Hondas.

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Very unlikely that JUST those specific cars are dying. Possible, but unlikely.

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