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So, after thinking about it for a couple days while working, being ill, and losing the usual amount of sleep, I've decided I really don't need sleep and ksoth and svol made a couple good <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">suggestions</A>.

<font color=red><b>So who would be interested in starting some kind of THGC online music project?</b></font color=red>
Let's figure out what we can do, who can do what, and how. We can figure out the name at a later time (no socket 370). Mainly, are you interested, what's your background/influence, and what are you playing, be it guitar, keys, vocals, ,Acid loops, or softsynths. Let's have fun with this.

Jarrett

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four years of highschool chorous right here, and I got madd Acid 3.0 skillz. I bet there's some other musical talent around this site. How about our name:
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Ouch, I think that's up there with the Socket 370 idea. But that'll work great, cause there's alot of ACID support in Sonar 2.

One thing I didn't mention before in the previous thread is I've been playing bass for about 17 years, and crossed over to goth/industrial/ebm from progressive metal about 6 years ago. I play 5- and 8-string bass, guitar, mandola, drums (though I mainly sequence drums now), vocals, and keyboard. For keys I have a Korg N5 and a Novation A-Station. I am using Sonar 2 and Fruity Loops, and have built a nice little studio. With any luck, I'll be putting my main project online in a couple months.

So anyone else willing to give it a go?


Jarrett<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jheine on 12/22/02 07:29 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to jheine

Wow, thats some experiance / talent. Only 1 year of 4 string bass, a few years of trombone, and 2 of violin.

Only thing I still do is bass and vocals.

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Reply to Lonemagi

i can play guitar and sing. lol. thats about it.

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Reply to Grizely1

i play the pusstring

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Is that with gut strings?

Jarrett

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Very cool, two more vocals, guitar and bass. Now I know theres more interested. Maybe more synths?

Oh, once we're sure who's involved, we'll figure out how were going to do this, and if we should have one or two people oversee the project as a whole to keep it going smoothly. I'm probably going to step back, submit with everyone else, and engineer where I can. Having a full time MIS job, 3-4 club nights a week, and heading-up my own project including eventually making all the promo material, live gigs, and webmastering probably won't give me much time to take on too much. But I'll do what I can.

Jarrett

Reply to jheine

no, its a pussy with long hair. i play it like you would a guitar

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I can play the uhhh tambarine and maybe the triangle (though I am rusty)

smurf A- I saw you leave with smurfette
smurf B- oh man as soon as we got out of the bar she started smurfing me
smurf A- shut the smurf up
smurf A- right in the smurfing pariking lot?

Reply to papasmurf
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So this is it, six people who expressed any amount of interest. I thought we'd have at least a couple dozen. Well, it's a start. So what kind of direction should we go in?

Jarrett

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Reply to jheine
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I would suggest you try finding people in the Music forums, such as Sound Cards, no?
Those who go there often are people looking for advanced musical cards to compose.

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There should be more people around that can play instruments (I can't yet but I'd like to learn how to play guitar). I can ask Fredi to put a link to this thread at the top of the forum (under the sig of the week) if he likes the idea.

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It's not really an issue with the advanced high-end cards/interfaces. I happen to use a high-end because it was the best choice for both an audio workstation/studio setup and a portable live-gig setup. I spent alot of cash on the hardware so I don't have to compromise now and still have the expansion room for later. I could have gotten away with less, but I went for it. In the last project I was in, we did more with less. We were using a P2 or P3 with maybe 128MB ram (wasn't my pc, so I'm not sure) with a Soundblaster Live value, a 4-track mixer, and a copy of Cakewalk Pro Audio. We cut our cd's on this. They weren't great, but people bought them like mad. At first, we used some old laptop and brought all the gear to live shows, playing all the sequences. We had some problems with some gear at a couple shows, then bought a <A HREF="http://https://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm/DocId/101.htm" target="_new">Cybernet Zero Footprint PC</A> and used pre-recorded synth tracks. We were using the built-card on that pc, and it sounded great (we improved the mix, so it was better than cd).

It's not the top-end gear that counts (though it helps), just the drive to do it. If you can record a track to submit, great. If you use softsynths, loops, and samples, then your slightly ahead because you don't have to leave the pc to record the track. It's as much hardware as software, but it's the person doing it that counts. As long as a someone wants to be a part and has some way to submit the tracks, it's all good, whether you have a home studio, samples and a mod player, a guitar and a Audigy card, or some sid chip ripped out of a Commodore64. Even if someone submits a track that sounds less-than-stellar, someone else can take it, add some EQ, reverb, or some other effect plugin, and make it sound great. It's a community project, we just use what we have.

Jarrett

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I'm surprised there aren't more people interested, even if they don't play an instrument. With the software that's out there, the pc is it's own instrument.

Who knows, Fredi may want to jump in with some tracks once it gets moving.

Jarrett

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Reply to jheine

jk about the whole tambarine and triangle thing lol but I suppose I could get out the old trumpet out of the attic and try to remember how to play the thing if you are serious about it. I really would like to be good at that, I could never play it well I didnt have much of a teacher... but I would love to give it another go :)

smurf A- I saw you leave with smurfette
smurf B- oh man as soon as we got out of the bar she started smurfing me
smurf A- shut the smurf up
smurf A- right in the smurfing pariking lot?

Reply to papasmurf

Well - I'm a musician...:-) (I play violin (fiddle), guitar, keyboard, bass (badly), and drums (out of practice - no kit). However - I have no real gear atm - and all the music I have on computer is REALLY old!! (I wrote it on my old Amiga A1200 using Octamed soundstudio, lol (Just to get it down so I'd have something to work on when I do finally get some gear) - If you want to listen to any of it - it's on a Yahoo group called Darrensmusic, with a player for the PC, lol).

P.S. I'm good a writing TUNES...:-)

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Basic Guiter, song & lyric writing.

Late 70s & 80s Metal & Rock, funky stuff, Jimi etc

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Cool! More people. I think we should get this thing rolling. Once we have material started, maybe more people will be interested.

OK, so do we want to go with any particular style, or just wing it and see what happens? I can play almost any style (love that Mr. Bungle influence), but I gravitate more towards Industrial.

I just created a <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=26946#26946" target="_new"> poll</A> to make it a little easier to figure out what direction to try.

Jarrett

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Reply to jheine
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IMO you can go for video-game music composition. I notice Children of Bodom has a lot of that beat and tune, and IMO it'd be great for the THGC Music. Now as for lyrics, we need someone as artistic in language as Wingding, but using computer terms.
It'd be so funny, but so cool!

I am sorry I have no music knowledge (I only played guitar for a year, 4 years ago :frown: ) but I can suggest things to make it worth it! Who knows, you might even become popular for it, selling albums for geeks lol.

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How about the THGC Bad trolls song?

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Not a bad thing at all!

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Reply to eden

I have a fast burner.
Once the THGC song is complete i can burn people gazillions of copies!

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-Brought to you by the Black Beast.

Yeah that correlates well with the dark music!

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Reply to eden

Actually the correct name for my PC is the Beast of Darkness, but hey. the balck beast also works.



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And how much would the transport costs be?

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek:

Reply to svol

dunno. A few bux certainly. shippage from Oz is expensive.

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Maybe we can set up distrobution in every continent... you can cover Australia and I take Europe.

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Reply to svol
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I can help cover at least part of Norht America, once I get that second CDRW in. I'm on the east coast, so if someone on the west want's to help out, that would be great. We can make note of who's distributing the CDs on the sleeves, similar to how the indie labels do. So depending on your location, you could be getting cds distributed by the Beast of Darkness, Gargoyle Engineering (the name of my studio), etc.

Jarrett

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Im Interested!!!

My Musical influence has been Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Metal, Metal, Black Metal.....All since like 1990 i guess since the release of PanterA's Cowboys From Hell album! =)

Hmmm......I have and still once in awhile do a lot of audio mixing on my computer.....use progs. like Fruity Loops, Cool Edit Pro and GoldWave.......I play the drums but dont have my set ne more......I do a lot of mixing on my comp also with my DM2 (DM Squared) its liek a virtual/digital turntable thing.....pretty awesome.......I like Bass so i like old school Jungle and Drum & Bass Genre's too.......Im in the Toronto Area......I can help with whatever is needed =)

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Nice. Ah I remember those days, listening to old Metalica, King Diamond, Fates Warning, and the Galactic Cowboys (love the 8-string bass).

I'm seeing alot of rock and electronic influence - I'm liking this. I guess now I really need to find a server to host all this audio were going to be spewing forth. Anyone know a decent host that allows ftp, has a good amount of space (possibly 500MB or more, since I'll be using it for my band as well)), and is relatively inexpensive?

Jarrett

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I might know sum 1 running offa T1 thats will be willing to share some bandwidth.....i'll ask and post back later =)

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Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR
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No problem... as lons as there is also rock on the CDs. :wink:

What is your opinion on Pink Floyd?

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Reply to svol
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Hello. Is there anybody in there?

Floyd is cool. I listen to just about everything, from Floyd to Jethro Tull, to Skinny Puppy, to Primus, to Duran Duran, to Kompressor (listening to now), to Fields of the Nephilim, to....

MeTaLrOcKeR, if your friend want's to donate space, that would be cool. I didn't plan on going that route just because of the file sizes we'll be dealing with. Figure any song that's close to completion will be around 50MB a clip (.wav format), and it'll add up with all the variations and different clips going back and fourth, depending on how we try to structure this project.

Jarrett

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So how do we want to stucture this project. I think making it a free-for-all will be too unorganized, leading to too many variations to keep track of. We could do a set list, having the audio go from one person to the next in line to add to it. Another possibility is to keep some type of log, that way we can do a more first come first serve without stepping on each other's toes. We could check the logs to find out who's working on the file and when the last submission was uploaded. If anyone has another idea, I'd love to hear it.

Jarrett

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I'm new to this thread, but maybe I have an idea that will be of use. I'm in a music project with a few friends of mine, but we all have our own setups (ranging from cpu-only to extensive studios with dedicated music hardware ) We all have different musical taste, different musical knowledge and when we decide to rehearse together it always ends in a day of lounging and achieving nothing. So, we now do it like this:
we each search out some good sounds or compose a midi track and send it out to eachother. Those bits get used (or not) edited, remixed or whatever and then send on again. untill something sounds really cool. It's an ongoing song, and one idea often brings us a couple of songs. Nothing worth listening to, though.
what do you think, could we do that ?

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Reply to A_Star
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That's pretty much what I was shooting for, though it's the "sending" that I'm trying to focus on now. I was hoping to avoid the email route so it would be easier for other people to join and allow for multiple songs to be worked on at a time. As soon as I get a chance I'm going to put up a website with ftp access. I'm also looking into CVS servers to see it it will work for this project and avoid deleting or overwriting submissions before everyone gets a chance to look at it. Thanks for the input, A_Star.

Anyone else have some ideas?


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No problem,
I'm getting really enthousiastic about the idea, working with all kinds of people, different levels of knowledge and influences, etc.
The newsgroup alt.binaries.comp-graphics does the same but with..err.. computer graphics.
I have been keeping my eye on two newsgroups where nothing gets posted, and thusly are waiting to be taken over. Would that be a better form of communication? and they are within the alt.binaries hierarchy, so we could use it to post stuff.

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Reply to A_Star
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I never even thought of the newsgroups, probably because I never look at them. It may be a possibility. Hopefully we don't have too many party crasheres, though it could build on the THGC community. We should probably take a llok to see if there's a reason those newsgroups have died off though. There may be a reason nobody is posting anymore, and wee wouldn't want to step on anyones toes and piss them off.

Jarrett

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The two groups I talked about are empty (at least on my newsserver) so we wouldn't interfere with anyone. And they could be taken over by us without interfereing, because there were no posts at all in the last weeks. Maybe you could check on your newsservers. The groups are:
alt.binaries.music.makers
alt.binaries.music.maniacs
I posted a message on both of them under the header "toms hardware" (which is free publicity)
The music posted on those groups could be archived on somebody's harddisk untill you found that FTP server.
Anyway, just thinking out loud.
:redface:

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I'd now like to thank Lars and the rest of THG for providing the first <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030127/geforce_fx-06.html" target="_new">samples</A> for the THGC Music Project. By the sound of them, my first instinct was to instantly grab the clips when I get home and work a noise project. After listening to it again, I can hear more potential, especially in his use of the performance modes and scales rather than the dorian or diminished scales. Once I get home, I'll listen to them on quality speakers to really get a feel of where Lars was coming from when he submitted this fresh material.

Jarrett

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LOL :lol:

LHGPooBaa knows a link to some nice sounds of IMB HDs going bad.

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Cool. I'm for using just about anything for samples as long as it can be done tastefully and musically. It's not too hard to do that at all. Check out <A HREF="http://www.neubauten.org/" target="_new">Einsturzende Neubaten</A>. I've heard them use cookie sheets, lead pipes, shopping carts, etc. Pretty good stuff.

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I think and am pretty sure IBM has faulty HDD sound files, to show what should be a warning sign, so people can quickly react to prevent any potential data loss. Funny sounds, really.

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Yeah... I really like the sound of that music. Making it with normal stuff sounds really cool. IIRC you have many more bands like this.

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Reply to svol
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Well, once I figure out what my newsgroup server is (shared access so I'm not sure at the moment), and as long as it's kosher with everyone that will be involved and the owner of that group, I don't see any reason not to use alt.binaries.music.makers. It will at least give me a little more time to work on getting a website going to host some of the work. If a few other people could check this group out as well to confirm it's basically dead, we'll be on our way.

Jarrett

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