I have decided to leave...

me me me!
dont forget me! (and my Hamster)

well byebye. do comeback soon.
The forums can allways do with open unbiased people.

<b><font color=purple>[Rik_]</font color=purple> I wonder how many people have made their own phasechange system?
<font color=blue>[LHGPooBaa]</font color=blue> I get phasechange whenever i eat a hot chillie </b>

I think you need serious Hooter therapy.
Click on my Hooters and pleasure yourself.
Cut loose of the over zealous members upstairs and come hang out with the freaks in the Other section.
No-one in the Other section cares about what processor, motherboard or memory you have.


<font color=red><i>Doctor Hooter</i></font color=red> <A HREF="http://www.page3.com/" target="_new"><b>(·Y·)</b></A>

Well I hoped you clicked on my Hooters because today's model has a great rack.
Hmmm I'm going to have sweet dreams tonight!

<font color=red><i>Doctor Hooter</i></font color=red> <A HREF="http://www.page3.com/" target="_new"><b>(·Y·)</b></A>

You think that your are neutral? Like slvr_phoenix? I don't think it. And I guess every THGC member who knows you (except Intel fanboys) don't think it. I can't find anything in slvr_phoenix's posts from that we can think Intel is god to him. But reading your posts it's not hard to think like that. I will think million times before calling slvr_phoenix a fanboy of any brand. But I don't need to think more than twice to tell you an Intel fanboy.

Anyway, don't leave this forum permanently. I hope you will come back soon.


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All of you are giving me this sort of "false" hope. I don't even know why I'm posting this. I never knew how different the "CPU" and "Other" forums were from each other. Do you "other" forum members consider "CPU" members enemies, or what?

Spitfire, slvr_pheonix has defended Intel many times, and on many occasions. He has made several posts quite similar to mine.

All you "other" members, if you really what to know what drives me, it's the truth. I want to spread the truth to other people, to make them realize that neither Intel nor AMD are gods, and also make them realize that Intel is a better company than AMD in many ways. I want to show people the truth: that in overall quality, Intel's CPU's still stand above AMD's. I want to help people avoid products form the likes ofcompanies like VIA, and to make them understand how AMD CPU's differ from Intel CPU's. Of course, I'm branded as a fanoby, becuase I "preach Intel rules" (according to many CPU forum members), and that I always say "Intel is god". I have noticed that all the people in the CPU forums who prefer Intel and who try and voice their opinions all get branded as fanboys. But, if you like AMD in those forums, it's ok, because the MAJORITY of people in those forums like AMD, and refuse to believe that Intel's CPU's are better in <b>any</b> way. Most people in the CPU forums are all living in the past, still thinking that Intel CPU's are expensive, still whining about mistakes Intel made years ago. If you tell them AMD made mistakes, they go on the defensive, branding you a fanboy and telling you that you're making Intel look amazing. The main problem here is ignorance. If you look at my sig, ignorance is bliss. It's like everyone has a personal grudge against Intel, yet they are all totally clueless as to why Intel has done the things they are hated for. They also think that everything AMD has done is great, and that AMD's mistakes all have a good explanation. The CPU forum members do not know how companies work, and they think Intel is evil.

So, in short, I fell no real reason to stay in these forums. If people don't want the truth, fine, they can continue living their ignorant lives.

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<font color=green>Ignorance is bliss...isn't it (especially if you're a fanboy)?

"... In the semiconductor industry, it's good to be paranoid ..." - [Andy Grove]</font color=green>

...and that is why I have 52814 new messages in the cpu section

Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.

No, we don't see the CPU members enemies... a lot of them relax in this area.
This is just a forum where you can do and say almost everything. It is a great place to hang out and take a break from the serious THGC parts.

But I don't agree with your CPU view... but I have to know your arguments for that view before I give a real opinion about it.

My PC eats so much money that I'm in 'desperate' need of it to buy PC3500 RAM, help Svol with his OC project!
--- PM me for information.

It might help you if you looked at recent prices. Enthusiasts, who upgrade as often as possible, don't often have an unlimited budget.

You might have noticed my "New System for the Holidays" thread. There was no way for me to even consider Intel due to their pricing. I spent a little over a $100 for a XP2100+. For that price I CAN'T even buy a SINGLE P4. For something with "similar" performance, say a 2.2-2.4 Ghz P4, I'd have to spend close to $200. That's "almost" twice the price.

It's not that I hate Intel, it's that they can't offer me anything competitively at an even reasonably close price. Couple that with the outstanding stability that you can now get with a SIS735 or Nforce2 chipset, plus thermal shutdown protection, plus the economy and you come to the realization that people on a budget will almost ALWAYS pick AMD.

I don't know anybody who buys an intel system anymore unless their business is paying for it, they have lots of cash, or go someplace like Dell. My friends and family who build systems, have all gone to AMD since the P4 was released. They're not going to notice a difference in performance between the P4 and the Athlon, but they will notice a difference in the price.

Nonetheless, I always try to recommend both. I tell people to look at benchmarks and decide which one is better for the tasks they want to perform. In the end though, it's always money that decides the day. Nobody wants to spend more money for a measly few % difference at best. It's just not realistic in todays economy.

They aren't fanboys. They're just people who want something that meets their needs for less money. Even if it's $50, that's $50 to add to your videocard, which is by far more important to a gamer, which many enthusiasts are. $50 is more money to put into a faster harddrive, which is by far the biggest bottleneck in todays systems. $50 can do a lot and most of the time it's much more than $50.

When I upgraded, I spend $70 on a K7S5A, $70 on a 1 Ghz Tbird, and $70 on 512MB PC2100. For that price I could get a Intel CPU if I was lucky, and it was a williamette which my tbird destroys. It was an easy decision. Now it's not as easy, but money is a big factor.

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How "nice" of you to recommend anger management.

The reason why I get angry is that I debate the same thing hundreds of times, and ignorant forum members still don't get it, and still keep on asking me the same questions, even after I explained it like a hundred times. The same people always ask me "well how come Intel CPU's are expensive", or "why is Intel so stupid in releasing the i845 SDR chipset". And they tell me things like, "Intel is the devil, because they support RDRAM", or "everyone at Intel are total morons because they released the Williamette". The thing is, even after I explain WHY all these things happened, they still repeat the same questions. You fell as though you're talking to a <b>wall</b>. And these are not newbies, or fanboys here. I don't bother to talk with newbs or fanboys <b>at all</b>. These people who keep on asking me the same thing are <b>veteran members</b>, and it just kills me everytime they ask me the same question one extra time. I already sat down and though a few times as to why this might occur: maybe I'm not giving enough proof, so I started to provide links for all my arguments, but that didn't solve the repetitive, moronic questions the same people kept on asking me. I though maybe I should explain more thouroughly, so I ramped up the detail and thoroughness of my posts. Well, that didn't help either. In fact, my more detailed posts resulted in <b>even more</b> repetitive, moronic questions being asked by the same people. So, I think I have a right to be angry, when some people in the CPU forums are more stubborn and ignorant than a solid steel wall. And the funniest thing is, people are totally <b>mystified</b> as to how I get all this information. People think that I work for Intel, or Intel pays me to say this. The fact is, I do a little something called <b>research</b>; in fact, I do ALOT of research. I've been learning about computers and technology for years now. Everything I know I learned myself. Also, I don't call everyone stupid or a retard; I call people stubborn and ignorant.

I must admit, that's a very wise thing you said. But when people ask me the same question a hundred times (and it's the same people, too), then that leads me to believe that they don't have the mental abilities to change their own minds. That leads me to believe that they are very stubborn and ignorant. And in the end, I can't do a thing about it, so that's why I have decided to give up. Forget trying to teach people the truth. Let them live ignorant lives.

Also, I'm not "partial". Many things I say are not only based on facts, knowledge, and several point-of-views, but also the point-of-views and opinions of MANY OTHER people are factored into my posts. The things I say are also based on personal experience, of not only me, but many other people. I've used several AMD products before. I've used several Intel products before. I think I deserve the freedom to decide whether AMD or Intel is better, because I know alot about both companies, as well as their products. I have also used both companies' products quite thoroughly.

Ohh, and another thing, I can build an equally matched Intel system for a similar price as an AMD system. So don't give me any of the "price/performance" mumbo jumbo, because the price difference betwee Intel and AMD is not that big anymore. If you're a smart and knowledgeable shopper/enthusiast, then you should be able to build an Intel system for a similar price as an AMD system, and still have it evenly-matched performance-wise. I can build such systems, so I don't know why other people can't. Ohh, and I live in Canada. Yes, that's right. Where the price difference between Intel and AMD is bigger, than in the US.

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<font color=green>Ignorance is bliss...isn't it (especially if you're a fanboy)?

"... In the semiconductor industry, it's good to be paranoid ..." - [Andy Grove]</font color=green>

I read the CPU forum mostly for laughs and to give a bit of advice to the noobs. I used to get involved in the pointless flame wars and then came to the same conclusion as you, there is no point in arguing up there. It does provide some comic relief if you don't go into the CPU forum expecting anything.

<b>Just because I like AMD or Intel more at a time because of one product compared to another, does not make me a fan boy, it makes me a person who is able to make a descision for myself.</b>

I am with you on how you see things with Dark.
I didn't want to enter this thread as I've nothing to add which would help.

But, I will add my comments on the CPU forum.
It's not a martyr forum, seriously, those who quit being there for the reasons mentioned in this thread are just wimps. I have been there since day one, fit in, discussed both AMD and Intel with great joy and have opened my mind so much. I just don't see where the complaints come in! Yes there is this China thread now, but seriously how often is the CPU forum corrupted! It's rare guys, I know that because I practically LIVE there. Christ, stop being wussies and go discuss and talk there. You afraid? Come to me, I'll guide you if I have to but stop fearing or blaspheming this forum. I love it, it teaches me about CPUs and I no longer take sides, knowing each has their ups and interesting facts of their products.

End rant.

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Forgive me for making that thread, I didn't think that it would turn into a political debate.

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With technology changing so fast, you may be right today but wrong tomorrow, who really cares which one, Intel or AMD is better, the competition between them gives us great prices out here. Do you think anyone really cares if you leave, get a life dude, turn off your computer and go outside, enjoy nature, ride a bike, fly a kite, go to a movie, do something besides crying and whining and feeling sorry for yourself, because someone didn't agree with what you said, you remind me of some kid on the playground that didn't like the way the game was going so he took his marbles and went home. <b> BYE!!!</b>




Details, Details, Its all in the Details, If you need help, Don't leave out the Details.

You can PM it to me if you like.

My PC eats so much money that I'm in 'desperate' need of it to buy PC3500 RAM, help Svol with his OC project!
--- PM me for information.

Ouach a CPU thread...

My frog commited suicide,his last words where :"cigarrete please".

And we thought we where save here...

My PC eats so much money that I'm in 'desperate' need of it to buy PC3500 RAM, help Svol with his OC project!
--- PM me for information.

Hey, you could at least post it all here. Screw all the extra components, I'm just going off of CPU, Motherboard, and Memory. I wasn't overclocking since I'm the one responsable if something goes wrong and I live 500 miles from my brother.

AMD XP 2100+ Retail: $102
Asus A7N8X Retail: $125
256MB PC2700 Kingston $66
(yes, I know, but the videocard was more important to me than memory in this case. My brother could handle the few percent he lost in favor of a better videocard.)

My total was $293
(my total was actually a few bucks more, but I don't expect you to know the prices from 3 weeks ago so we'll go off of today)

I'm all ears. I constantly try to buy a decent system without breaking the bank and if I could have done it with a P4 system then I'd like to see how so that I don't just dismiss them next time.

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Forgot to add, you like to hype about future Intel cores like Tejas, Madison, Nehalem(?). This is similar to hyping about San Diego, K9.

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=26708#26708" target="_new"> Go to my CPU Vendor Poll </A>

Dark you really make me laugh with your very weak observations. Certainly anyone who knows me in the forums will agree I am not a gullible person in the CPU aspect (though I am indeed easy to fool around with) or advocate of the weaker one since a long time now.

Indeed I now see why many say you have problems accepting opinions. You think you are right anytime when in fact there are changes around.
Recent VIA chipsets are NOW STABLE. Period, I can't debate or prove you anymore.

I most certainly did not outright say that. I however would agree with anyone who says that with effort, you can build a proper AMD system that is as stable as an Intel's. Care to try my comp to testify?

I could say I'd rather buy a Toyota to a Mercedes simply because of the price. You're not making any sense, again you are trying to sound like you are right anytime and that your choice is the right one.

If you are still here to read this, you will find me NOW where I said that. I always said they are not the same quality, however it's not like one will crash suddenly.

I was born in Lebanon, I lived with these rich cars (save for Sony), we had a BMW in Lebanon, sold it for 700$. They come and go over there like Ford prices. I dunno where you would assume such, I always loved these luxury cars, and would take any of them above any Japanese, Korean or American car anyday. Nothing IMO touches class like BMW or Mercedes. They are however expensive as hell.

Samsung makes very high quality products, some of the best (LCD multimedia centers), at very low prices, almost stealing. I have a Sony speaker system, I have many different high end company products. You're very assuming with little proof. The same methodology applies to almost anyone here, we don't pay for the absolute expensive stuff if we can get for less. If I have the money, I will splurge. Why do you think I paid a huge 280$ for an APC UPS? Because of quality, they are known all around the power maintenance industry and despite the expensive tag I got it because it's one thing I do not go risky with, power and system survival in power outages. I buy from Antec, not OEM PSUs. No Dark, you assume WAY too much, and I now see it. You need help, for real.

Because you are one-sided with fervor of your own opinions as being the absolute final ones, I will say it again, you need help. One day you might grow up like I did last year, and realize the different sides of technology industries and stop living like a fanatical person. In other words, what you don't like being said to you: BE MORE NEUTRAL.

PS: I just recalled. While you seem to think so much that Slvr advocates Intel, I'll just remind you that his next system is a definite AthlonXP, at 90% sure. He had a thread about it a few weeks ago, but you probably weren't there and assumed falsely. He too is not on a good budget. Perhaps you can help him get a P4, but I doubt it, he's looking in the sub XP2000+ CPUs.
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