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November 3, 2011 7:59:22 AM

hi..

lately I've play some games in my PC, and some games like ( Battlefield 2, Assasins Creed : Brotherhood, Mass Effect 2) got delayed and lagg in my PC when I maxed out the video/graphics options....

I have to use "medium - low" graphics setting, which makes me feel frustrated a :(  bit,
because I cant enjoy the best graphic provided by the games...

Im planning on upgrading my PC, with the lowest cost and major performance boost...
Im not very familiar with PC specs (like graphic cards series, how much watts power supply to use, etc.).

here is my PC (Acer e-machines et1862) specs
1. CPU - intel core i3-550 3.20 @ 3.20 GHz
2. RAM - Kingston KVR-1333 4GB DDR3
3. Graphic Card - Asus ENGT240 1GB DDR3
4. OS - Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit

can anyone give me suggestions????
:) 
November 3, 2011 12:42:31 PM

Upgrade the graphics card, what's your budget and country?
November 3, 2011 3:49:15 PM

Your GPU is your let-down here.
At what resolution are playing at?
What's your budget?
Also, mention the brand and model of your PSU. :) 
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November 4, 2011 1:24:39 AM

joedastudd said:
Upgrade the graphics card, what's your budget and country?


does my graphic cards underpower??
I juz buy it recently....upgrade???how???replace???

my budget is around RM 1000....
im at Malaysia...
November 4, 2011 1:39:47 AM

Gman450 said:
Your GPU is your let-down here.
At what resolution are playing at?
What's your budget?
Also, mention the brand and model of your PSU. :) 



I'm using 1920x1080 res....
my budget is around RM1000...

my PSU??
i'm not sure....because it comes in set with my motherboard and casing...
ill try to find out later...do you think PSU effect the game performance???
because I do search about the PSU...some says if the PSU is uncompitable with/ cant support the PC voltage..
the PC will not run, sometimes it will display a blue screen...
but I didn't experience any problems of the above... :) 
November 4, 2011 8:07:20 AM

The graphics card is pretty poor.
See this chart
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card-gaming...

You'll want to jump up a few sections to something like the 6770.

Like Gman450 mentioned the psu is important. If you upgrade your graphics card and the psu can't handle it you will have trouble.

The information about the psu should be on the side of the psu itself.

I don't have a clue about Malaysian hardware sites, so I'll leave that to you as you must have used them before to buy the pc.
November 4, 2011 11:03:10 AM

This is how a PSU looks like.

The PSU is the 'Corsair VX450W power supply' that you can see at the bottom of that cabinet.
Depending on the casing, the PSU should either be at the top or bottom. In the picture, it's at the bottom.

Check your PSU adn report back, Also, on the side of the PSU, there should be a chart about the power specifications. In that, check the amps on the +12v rail.
November 8, 2011 6:12:17 AM

Gman450 said:
This is how a PSU looks like.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/4378699514_d821c5edf4_o.jpg
The PSU is the 'Corsair VX450W power supply' that you can see at the bottom of that cabinet.
Depending on the casing, the PSU should either be at the top or bottom. In the picture, it's at the bottom.

Check your PSU adn report back, Also, on the side of the PSU, there should be a chart about the power specifications. In that, check the amps on the +12v rail.


this link show the model of my PSU.

http://www.cwc-group.com/fspgrat25pos.html

PSU :

model no. - ATX - 250PA(1)
AC input - 100-127/220-240V
6/3.15A, 60/50Hz
DC output - 250W(+3.3V & +5V)

p/s -
1. Is the specs enough??? I'm not very familiar with pc hardware specs. So I didn't know what's important to measure the hardware capability.... :D 
2. Sorry for a late reply.... I didn't have internet connection at my house. Have to go to CC to get on9.... :lol: 
November 8, 2011 7:33:28 AM

You'll need to upgrade that PSU if you want to put in a good card.
What is your budget for a PSU and a new GPU?
November 8, 2011 10:49:14 PM

my PSU too??? :ouch:  :ouch:  :ouch: 

huh...now i'm pretty low on budget...
around RM 1500...
there is no way a better PSU and GPU price around RM 1500...
is there other way??

or I have to collect more budget to upgrade my PC....?? :( 
November 9, 2011 1:43:13 PM

That should be enough for a decent build.
I'm not sure if the prices are different there, but RM 1500 is about $400 in the US. With that, you should get a good card like the Radeon HD 6850 or HD 6870. Anything higher than that, might bottleneck that CPU unless you OC it.
A decent PSU for those cards should be a Corsair TX550M
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD 6870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I also advise you to change your OS to a 64 bit one.
November 9, 2011 10:23:56 PM

do you mean new GPU+PSU=RM1500($400)??

owh...so there is the problem with CPU if the graphic card is to high??? I never thought that....

I never use radeon before....but I heard that radeon cards generates high temperature as it is running..is it true??? or maybe I there are other nvdia card as the same level with this radeon HD 6850......because only nvdia card support physX right????

November 10, 2011 9:54:02 AM

iedouza said:
do you mean new GPU+PSU=RM1500($400)??

owh...so there is the problem with CPU if the graphic card is to high??? I never thought that....

I never use radeon before....but I heard that radeon cards generates high temperature as it is running..is it true??? or maybe I there are other nvdia card as the same level with this radeon HD 6850......because only nvdia card support physX right????

No, that's not really true. All sorts of GPUs heat with if no proper cooling is given.
The card that competes with a HD 6850 would be the GTX 460 1GB from NVIDIA. And that too, the 460 will beat the 6850 by a bit.
November 10, 2011 9:58:06 PM

does 550w PSU enough if I install GTX 460 1GB from nvdia in my PC???HD6850 is it radeon HD6850 1 gb or other HD 6850???i cant view your link...its block.....:( 
can u give comparison table of HD6850 and GTX460??
because I realize that many people having a problem choosing the right PSU after upgrading their PC....

I didn't wan to buy the wrong PSU and later have to buy a new PSU again and again... :) 

plus...I googled some GC....
what is processor clock and graphics clock....

GeForce GTX 460
processor clock 1350MHz
graphic clock 675MHz
price $219

Asus ENGT430
processor clock 1400MHz
graphic clock 700MHz
price $79

I really appreciate if you can explain to me what is it...
Im still new about specs... :)  ....
November 11, 2011 3:05:11 PM

Processor clocks and graphics clocks are the speeds at which the cards run at. And where did you get that info from?
All in all, the GTX 460 is faster than a GT 430.

When you say about a 550W PSU, can you mention the make/model of that PSU?
It has to be a good one.
November 15, 2011 1:23:33 AM

thx a lot for your reply.... :) 

I did a research on google about the info of the GC specs....
maybe I got a wrong info........

COOLER MASTER 550W EXTREME POWER PLUS PSU - this is the PSU I found in the local store...+/- RM 200 (+/- $63) is this convenient????

I also research about the (GTX 460 1GB and HD 6850), (HD 6870 and GTX 550)
I'm in dilemma for choosing between those two cards manufacturer....can I get your opinion???? :) 


what is the different (e.g. ATI Radeon HD6850/ Sapphire ATI HD6850/ Gigabyte HD6850) and (Asus ENGTX-TI 550 / Nvidia Geforce GTX 550TI)
does this mean any different in those card performance.....?
November 15, 2011 3:15:51 AM

im going to disagree a little. i dont think that a dual core like your i3 will bottleneck a 6850 or even a 6950 from amd. there was a benchmark on here that showed battlefield 3 running just as well on an i3 then a i7 so your shouldnt have to worry about your cpu.

try and get something like an amd 6950 with a 500 watt psu or a nvidia 570 and a 500 watt psu. those combine should be in your budget of about 475 dollars 1500 rm.
November 15, 2011 6:55:13 AM

cbrunnem said:
im going to disagree a little. i dont think that a dual core like your i3 will bottleneck a 6850 or even a 6950 from amd. there was a benchmark on here that showed battlefield 3 running just as well on an i3 then a i7 so your shouldnt have to worry about your cpu.

try and get something like an amd 6950 with a 500 watt psu or a nvidia 570 and a 500 watt psu. those combine should be in your budget of about 475 dollars 1500 rm.


really???
did you mean GTX 570??

RM 1500??? that is way higher than my budget...can you suggest a GC and PSU around RM800 ($ 255.47)??? :D  :D  ....maybe RM900 ($ 287.40) still can be considered.....

like something around gtx 460 , AMD HD6850?? is this worth it???HD 6870 and GTX 550???
November 15, 2011 10:26:55 AM

iedouza said:
my PSU too??? :ouch:  :ouch:  :ouch: 

huh...now i'm pretty low on budget...
around RM 1500...
there is no way a better PSU and GPU price around RM 1500...
is there other way??

or I have to collect more budget to upgrade my PC....?? :( 



you said you had 1500rm and yes the gtx 570
November 15, 2011 11:09:49 PM

cbrunnem said:
you said you had 1500rm and yes the gtx 570


yea....I got RM 1500 i think maybe I could buy some better cooler cpu fan and a better air flow casing too... :D  .. I look at the local store...the gtx 570 is cost around RM 1200($382)++ and 550W psu RM 200($64)++...with my budget I afford to buy both...but will gtx 570 run just fine with only 550W???

I did search the forum...
and I found that some people say gtx 570 is on par with HD 6970...
but if I wan to play on 1920x1080 res screen....would it be no problems if I use the GTX 570????

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6970_Lightnin...

seems like the HD 6970 beat gtx 570 in 1920x1080++ res....
can you give me reasons why GTX 570 is better....:D ...(I'm nVidia fans....:p )
November 16, 2011 1:52:15 AM

yes you are correct, normally amd gpu's are better at high screen resolutions. the reason i cant tell you i just know that they conventionally are but it really depends on the game as well. buy based on what gpu is better at the games you like to play.

yes a 550w power supply will be sufficient if it is a good name brand power supply.(ie antec, seasonic, and corsair.)
November 16, 2011 6:59:01 AM

Quote:
yes you are correct, normally amd gpu's are better at high screen resolutions. the reason i cant tell you i just know that they conventionally are but it really depends on the game as well. buy based on what gpu is better at the games you like to play.

yes a 550w power supply will be sufficient if it is a good name brand power supply.(ie antec, seasonic, and corsair.)


thanks for the info.... :) 



does anyone can give me an answer????

Quote:
what is the different (e.g. ATI Radeon HD6850/ Sapphire ATI HD6850/ Gigabyte HD6850) and (Asus ENGTX-TI 550 / Nvidia Geforce GTX 550TI)
does this mean any different in those card performance.....?


Its so hard to choose, so many choice of cards.... :( 
November 16, 2011 12:35:46 PM

iedouza said:
Quote:
yes you are correct, normally amd gpu's are better at high screen resolutions. the reason i cant tell you i just know that they conventionally are but it really depends on the game as well. buy based on what gpu is better at the games you like to play.

yes a 550w power supply will be sufficient if it is a good name brand power supply.(ie antec, seasonic, and corsair.)


thanks for the info.... :) 



does anyone can give me an answer????

Quote:
what is the different (e.g. ATI Radeon HD6850/ Sapphire ATI HD6850/ Gigabyte HD6850) and (Asus ENGTX-TI 550 / Nvidia Geforce GTX 550TI)
does this mean any different in those card performance.....?


Its so hard to choose, so many choice of cards.... :( 


the sapphire and gigabyte will have better cooling and maybe higher clock rates then the reference amd model. give the links the the cards your looking at and i should be able to tell you the benefits.
November 16, 2011 11:06:17 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

so many different manufacturer......... :wahoo: 
there are some different in core clock and memory clock, and why is that makes their price vary so much (up to $30 =RM95)...

and while I try to google "HD 6970" some topic says HD 6970 vs GTX 580...is it really comparable to GTX 580??

and recently I found that GTX 570 (RM 1050-1099 = $ 331-347) is cheaper than HD 6970 (RM 1069-1300 =$ 337-410) and
ASUS EAH6970/2DI2S/2GD5 GRAPHIC CARD AMD RADEON HD 6970 is RM 1599 ($ 505)... :??:  :) 

the price range is so big.....

this is Malaysia GC price example....can give me a guide to choose between them?

http://www.lelong.com.my/kx/geforce+gtx+570.htm
http://www.lelong.com.my/kx/hd+6970.htm

:D  :D  :D 
November 17, 2011 2:01:00 AM

i recommend this 6970
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
it has great cooling so it will stay cool and it has a factory overclock.

the 6970 is about the same as the 570.

the difference in brands is mostly just some focus on cooling better and some focus on keeping the noise down. what i look for is the best cooling and clock rates cause while i play i cant hear the fans anyway.
November 17, 2011 2:56:21 AM

ooo.... I agree with u..... :lol:  :lol: 

Quote:
what i look for is the best cooling and clock rates cause while i play i cant hear the fans anyway.


for me the performance is more significant.....btw....the GIGABYTE GV-R697UD-2GD Radeon HD 6970 that u recommend to me
is RM 1400++ ($ 442) at the local store here and my budget is only RM 1500 ($ 474)..... :( 

I think if i buy that GC...I wouldn't have enough budget to buy a decent PSU...
am I right??? :)  :) 
November 17, 2011 2:48:37 PM

ok lets see what we can do then. can you give me a list or link of gpus and psu that your looking at because the prices are varying a lot from here to there.
November 20, 2011 10:44:55 PM

ASUS GF EN550GTX-TI PCIE 1GB DDR5 192BIT RM 559.00($177)
MSI GF N560GTX-TI PCIE 1GB DDR5 256BIT RM 815.00($258)

SAPPHIRE ATI HD6850 PCIE 1GB DDR5 256BIT RM 555.00($176)
SAPPHIRE ATI HD6870 PCIE 1GB DDR5 256BIT RM 669.00($212)


COOLER MASTER 550W EXTREME POWER PLUS PSU RM 193.00($61)
XIGMATEK NRP-PC502 500W PSU RM 218.00($69)
COOLER MASTER GX 650W PSU RM 315.00($100)
COOLER MASTER 650W EXTREME POWER PLUS PSU RM 240.00($76)
XIGMATEK NRP-PC602 600W PSU RM 275.00($87)
COOLER MASTER GX 550W PSU RM 240.00($76)

here are the info.....somehow its not the exact price though...I search this in the internet..this doesn't include shipping cost...:lol: 
because the local store here doesn't have many choice of hardware stock....if we want to buy...we have to order....:D 
additional question.....where are you from???? you should be grateful if you are not here.... :lol:  :lol:  because the price here are sucks.....:( 
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