Is analog mode still important ? Where ?

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Where is analog mode still important?

(I've never paid attention, does my phone
tell me when it's in analog mode?)

I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
Some Bay Area...

Thanks,
-troy

 

[spike]

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All you have to do in Southern Arizona to learn
the value of analog is come here with a digital only
phone. GSM phones in many cases don't even have
TDMA which is also around in some areas. Always
get a "tri-mode" phone if you're going to travel. Verizon
is a best bet. Or, you can get yourself an old analog
only phone and try to use a credit-card at confiscatory
rates.Luck!!!

 

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I use my Verizon Wireless phone in the same areas that you do, as well
as otheres. I have only needed analog once when I was in rural Maine
several years ago and that area has been upgraded to CDMA digital
service since then, so I have no need for analog service. I recently
replaced my bulky tri-mode LG VX4400 with a slim new all digital LG
VX4600 which I love. I will keep my old phone and activate it if I
ever need to travel to an area that's only analog. This can be
accomplished online without charge.

 

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There are still fairly large patches of the US with only analog signals.
Your travelling area is pretty much 100% digital. If your phone ever goes
into analog, it will probably tell you on the display (don't know about your
phone, but every one I've seen on Verizon does). Analog is still used by
OnStar, too. Only the newest cars have the new analog/digital OnStar phones.
The rest (even most 2004 cars) are analog only.
You probably can get an analog signal whever you are, just about. Your phone
will try to get digital where it can, however. Try making a call when your
phone says "A" or whatever next time. Your battery will last about 10
minutes!
"Troy Cauble" <spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> Where is analog mode still important?
>
> (I've never paid attention, does my phone
> tell me when it's in analog mode?)
>
> I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
> Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
> Some Bay Area...
>
> Thanks,
> -troy

 

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Spike wrote:
> All you have to do in Southern Arizona


(Or Western Arizona between Kingman and the California border. BT, DT)

> to learn
> the value of analog is come here with a digital only
> phone. GSM phones in many cases don't even have
> TDMA which is also around in some areas. Always
> get a "tri-mode" phone if you're going to travel. Verizon
> is a best bet. Or, you can get yourself an old analog
> only phone and try to use a credit-card at confiscatory
> rates.Luck!!!



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Many rural locations in the West. There are hundreds of miles
of US Highway in Oregon that are only serviced via analog.

-Dan

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:07:14 -0500, Troy Cauble <spam@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Where is analog mode still important?

The South and West, mostly...

(Some states are better than others. For instance, GA, TN, and the
Carolinas have essentially total digital coverage whether from VZW or
a network partner like ALLTEL, but there's still a lot of CDMA-less
territory in AL and MS [no-thanks, Unicel!], not to mention KY.)

>(I've never paid attention, does my phone
>tell me when it's in analog mode?)

Depends on the phone.

>I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
>Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
>Some Bay Area...

You shouldn't need analog in those areas.

-SC
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[Alan]

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I don't think that "bulky" and "tri-mode" have any relationship. Nor do
"slim" and "all digital".

"NJ Analyst" <ednj2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I use my Verizon Wireless phone in the same areas that you do, as well
> as otheres. I have only needed analog once when I was in rural Maine
> several years ago and that area has been upgraded to CDMA digital
> service since then, so I have no need for analog service. I recently
> replaced my bulky tri-mode LG VX4400 with a slim new all digital LG
> VX4600 which I love. I will keep my old phone and activate it if I
> ever need to travel to an area that's only analog. This can be
> accomplished online without charge.
>

 

[Guest]

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I agree with you, Alan. I have an Audiovox CDM9900 (tri-mode) ... hardly a
bulky
phone. Funny some people's notions ... like most blondes are dumb. LOL
- Philip

"Alan" <alnogen@noname.com> wrote in message
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>I don't think that "bulky" and "tri-mode" have any relationship. Nor do
> "slim" and "all digital".
>
> "NJ Analyst" <ednj2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1103037284.019148.34000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> I use my Verizon Wireless phone in the same areas that you do, as well
>> as otheres. I have only needed analog once when I was in rural Maine
>> several years ago and that area has been upgraded to CDMA digital
>> service since then, so I have no need for analog service. I recently
>> replaced my bulky tri-mode LG VX4400 with a slim new all digital LG
>> VX4600 which I love. I will keep my old phone and activate it if I
>> ever need to travel to an area that's only analog. This can be
>> accomplished online without charge.
>>
>
>

 

[Dean]

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Ever driven through Northeastern Pennsylvania?

Besides, I like the idea of having every possible chance of getting a call
through if I have to. Even if it does kill my battery.

Dean
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"Troy Cauble" <spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> Where is analog mode still important?
>
> (I've never paid attention, does my phone
> tell me when it's in analog mode?)
>
> I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
> Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
> Some Bay Area...
>
> Thanks,
> -troy

 

[george]

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"Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ever driven through Northeastern Pennsylvania?
>
Every day... Verizon has really good 1x coverage here and even the mom & pop
roaming partner in rural Wayne & Pike county converted to digital.


> Besides, I like the idea of having every possible chance of getting a call
> through if I have to. Even if it does kill my battery.
>
> Dean

 

[Mike]

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:12:13 -0500, Stanley Cline
<sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote:

>>I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
>>Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
>>Some Bay Area...
>
>You shouldn't need analog in those areas.

Indeed. And even in rural northern Indiana, VZW has pretty much
saturation coverage.

Mike

 

[Dean]

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Yeah, thank goodness mom&pop did MOSTLY switch over, but there are still
considerable holes where analog is still the order of the day.

Dean
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"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8SOvd.4081$P14.424@trndny05...
> > Ever driven through Northeastern Pennsylvania?
> >
> Every day... Verizon has really good 1x coverage here and even the mom &
pop
> roaming partner in rural Wayne & Pike county converted to digital.
>
>
> > Besides, I like the idea of having every possible chance of getting a
call
> > through if I have to. Even if it does kill my battery.
> >
> > Dean
>
>

 

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Alaska has only recently begun digital service. Analog is still king
there.


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the cited author.]

In article <8CBvd.546$tl2.356@fe10.lga>, spam@optonline.net says...
>
> Where is analog mode still important?
>
> (I've never paid attention, does my phone
> tell me when it's in analog mode?)
>
> I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
> Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
> Some Bay Area...
>
> Thanks,
> -troy
>

 

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areas of southern vt
are analog

"Troy Cauble" <spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:8CBvd.546$tl2.356@fe10.lga...
>
> Where is analog mode still important?
>
> (I've never paid attention, does my phone
> tell me when it's in analog mode?)
>
> I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
> Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
> Some Bay Area...
>
> Thanks,
> -troy

 

[Guest]

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>> Where is analog mode still important?
>>
>> (I've never paid attention, does my phone
>> tell me when it's in analog mode?)
>>
>> I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
>> Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
>> Some Bay Area...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -troy
>>

Lot's A mode in Maine.

 

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:07:14 -0500, Troy Cauble <spam@optonline.net> chose
to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>Where is analog mode still important?
>
>I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
>Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.

I mainly find that I go to analog in the transition areas between different
markets. For example, between Michigan City and South Bend, IN, and between
Joliet and Ottawa, IL. I observed similar phenomena on my trip from Chicago
to Baltimore last summer; the area that I can remember offhand was the
transition between the OH and PA Turnpikes, and there were others.

Also last summer, I rode a train from the Quad Cities up the west bank of
the Mississippi and spent considerable time in analog. I'd have to check my
notes to see if there was any south of Dubuque, IA, but I'm pretty sure
there were substantial stretches from Dubuque north to La Crescent, MN (and
some of the time, I was getting a signal from across the river in IL or
WI). Much of this time, whatever signal I had wasn't strong enough that I
thought I could use it to place a call, although I don't think I ever
actually tried.

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:59:48 GMT, David S
<dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

>I mainly find that I go to analog in the transition areas between different
>markets. For example, between Michigan City and South Bend, IN, and between
>Joliet and Ottawa, IL. I observed similar phenomena on my trip from Chicago
>to Baltimore last summer; the area that I can remember offhand was the
>transition between the OH and PA Turnpikes, and there were others.

It seems odd that VZW can't do proper CDMA intersystem handoffs in
those areas -- they do them just fine in north GA, TN, northern AL,
etc., including in one case (I-20 at the GA/AL state line) between 850
coverage from one SID/system and 1900 coverage from a completely
different SID/system!

-SC
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In article <4alcs0drpkl4967n0pht93fu0mv3pujarb@4ax.com>,
David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:07:14 -0500, Troy Cauble <spam@optonline.net> chose
>to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>>Where is analog mode still important?
>>
>>I do most of my phoning from NY/NJ area.
>>Some Chicago & (rural) northern Indiana.
>
>I mainly find that I go to analog in the transition areas between different
>markets. For example, between Michigan City and South Bend, IN, and between
>Joliet and Ottawa, IL. I observed similar phenomena on my trip from Chicago
>to Baltimore last summer; the area that I can remember offhand was the
>transition between the OH and PA Turnpikes, and there were others.
>
>Also last summer, I rode a train from the Quad Cities up the west bank of
>the Mississippi and spent considerable time in analog. I'd have to check my
>notes to see if there was any south of Dubuque, IA, but I'm pretty sure
>there were substantial stretches from Dubuque north to La Crescent, MN (and
>some of the time, I was getting a signal from across the river in IL or
>WI). Much of this time, whatever signal I had wasn't strong enough that I
>thought I could use it to place a call, although I don't think I ever
>actually tried.

When going from the Sacramento VZW system (112) to the SF Bay Area system
(040) in California, I also have found my phone forced to analog at the
transition point, even though both systems are native VZW digital systems.
The debug screen shows the phone trying to register with the digital
system, but it fails, and then registers in AMPS mode. Crossing the
county line which divides the system, it then successfully registers on
the CDMA system. Weird. It is quite possible that a digital-only phone
would just hold on to the "old" system when it couldn't register with the
"new" system.

 

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:41:31 -0500, Stanley Cline
<sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:59:48 GMT, David S
><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
>
>>I mainly find that I go to analog in the transition areas between different
>>markets. For example, between Michigan City and South Bend, IN, and between
>>Joliet and Ottawa, IL. I observed similar phenomena on my trip from Chicago
>>to Baltimore last summer; the area that I can remember offhand was the
>>transition between the OH and PA Turnpikes, and there were others.
>
>It seems odd that VZW can't do proper CDMA intersystem handoffs in
>those areas -- they do them just fine in north GA, TN, northern AL,
>etc., including in one case (I-20 at the GA/AL state line) between 850
>coverage from one SID/system and 1900 coverage from a completely
>different SID/system!
>

I've noticed this works well when the two systems are of ample signal
strength.

But when one or other system does not have ample signal strength, the
phone will go into analog mode.

Case in point: eastern Culpeper county in Virginia is a transition
point between VZW (SIDs 18 & 170) and Alltel (SID 424). Often times
the phone will go on analog with maybe one bar of signal, then finally
go into digital as I approach the town of Culpeper.

I've also noticed sometimes when I travel (fly) into a town and turn
on my cell phone when I get off the plane that the phone will go into
analog mode and stay there, even though there is full signal.
Sometimes its been so bad that even cycling the power off and back on
won't reset the phone and I had to remove the battery and put it back
in so the phone would lock onto a digital signal (and this is was in
native VZW area too - the last time it occured was San Diego this past
August).

Dave

 

[Mike]

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:41:31 -0500, Stanley Cline
<sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote:

>It seems odd that VZW can't do proper CDMA intersystem handoffs in
>those areas -- they do them just fine in north GA, TN, northern AL,
>etc., including in one case (I-20 at the GA/AL state line) between 850
>coverage from one SID/system and 1900 coverage from a completely
>different SID/system!

In the one case cited earlier, on the Ohio/PA border along the
turnpike, it's a two-company transition...VZW's NE Ohio coverage
doesn't include the Youngstown/Warren, OH market, which is covered by
Alltel. That's the Ohio side of the handoff in question...the PA side
is VZW (and now VZW-alone) SID 32. Alltel gave up its part of SID 32
recently in PA/OH/WV in favor of SID 126.

It's still in AC, of course, but it's a different company. I haven't
noticed such a transition, but I can't recall being in-call while
going through this area.

Mike

 

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"Diamond Dave" <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:41:31 -0500, Stanley Cline
> <sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:59:48 GMT, David S
>> <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I mainly find that I go to analog in the transition areas between
>>> different markets. For example, between Michigan City and South
>>> Bend, IN, and between Joliet and Ottawa, IL. I observed similar
>>> phenomena on my trip from Chicago to Baltimore last summer; the
>>> area that I can remember offhand was the transition between the
>>> OH and PA Turnpikes, and there were others.
>>
>> It seems odd that VZW can't do proper CDMA intersystem handoffs in
>> those areas -- they do them just fine in north GA, TN, northern AL,
>> etc., including in one case (I-20 at the GA/AL state line) between
>> 850 coverage from one SID/system and 1900 coverage from a
>> completely
>> different SID/system!
>>
>
> I've noticed this works well when the two systems are of ample
> signal strength.
>
> But when one or other system does not have ample signal strength,
> the
> phone will go into analog mode.
>
> Case in point: eastern Culpeper county in Virginia is a transition
> point between VZW (SIDs 18 & 170) and Alltel (SID 424). Often times
> the phone will go on analog with maybe one bar of signal, then
> finally
> go into digital as I approach the town of Culpeper.
>
> I've also noticed sometimes when I travel (fly) into a town and turn
> on my cell phone when I get off the plane that the phone will go
> into analog mode and stay there, even though there is full signal.
> Sometimes its been so bad that even cycling the power off and back
> on
> won't reset the phone and I had to remove the battery and put it
> back
> in so the phone would lock onto a digital signal (and this is was in
> native VZW area too - the last time it occured was San Diego this
> past August).
>
> Dave

I had a Nokia 5185i that behaved like that. But both Audiovoxs ... no such
weirdness.
--

- Philip

 

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Mike wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:41:31 -0500, Stanley Cline
> <sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote:
>
>
>>It seems odd that VZW can't do proper CDMA intersystem handoffs in
>>those areas -- they do them just fine in north GA, TN, northern AL,
>>etc., including in one case (I-20 at the GA/AL state line) between 850
>>coverage from one SID/system and 1900 coverage from a completely
>>different SID/system!
>
>
> In the one case cited earlier, on the Ohio/PA border along the
> turnpike, it's a two-company transition...VZW's NE Ohio coverage
> doesn't include the Youngstown/Warren, OH market, which is covered by
> Alltel. That's the Ohio side of the handoff in question...the PA side
> is VZW (and now VZW-alone) SID 32. Alltel gave up its part of SID 32
> recently in PA/OH/WV in favor of SID 126.
>
> It's still in AC, of course, but it's a different company. I haven't
> noticed such a transition, but I can't recall being in-call while
> going through this area.

Me neither. Coming from my parent's house in M.O.N.Tville, Ohio ("Middle of
Nowhere Township") in Geauga County, Verizon is good in Geauga and Ashtabula
counties, towards Route 11. Alltel coverage takes over in Trumbull, around
maybe Route 5. Then you hop on I-80 and switch over Verizon coverage
*literally* as you cross the PA line. But I've not been in-call to determine
whether the handoff is smooth either.

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I don't think "privacy" works in any mode, unless supported by the
carrier. Have never seen documentatiuon that any carrier did support it.

 

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"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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snip
>
> Just remember, your calls and especially the incomming callers
> content, are likely being overheard by third parties, while using
> analog. -
> David

There is a setting (most cell phones?) called "voice security" or the like.
This is supposed to make overhearing your phone call more difficult for
eavesdroppers? Does it only work on digital?

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- Philip