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Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon cable?

thanks in advance,

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You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
HH

"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon
cable?
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> tele64
>
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HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives and
one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!


"HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> HH
>
> "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon
> cable?
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> >
> > tele64
> >
> >
>
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No he doesn't.

"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives and
> one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
>
>
> "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > HH
> >
> > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon
> > cable?
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > tele64
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Not possible considering the floppy uses a smaller cable and connector
than the other two drives.

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"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives
and
> one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
>
>
> "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > HH
> >
> > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
ribbon
> > cable?
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > tele64
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>




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you're wrong.


"doS" <kobo65@hotNOTSOmail.com> wrote in message
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> No he doesn't.
>
> "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives
and
> > one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
> >
> >
> > "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > > HH
> > >
> > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
ribbon
> > > cable?
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > tele64
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Yes possible....



"Steve W." <me@homer.org> wrote in message
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> Not possible considering the floppy uses a smaller cable and connector
> than the other two drives.
>
> --
> Steve Williams
>
>
>
> "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives
> and
> > one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
> >
> >
> > "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > > HH
> > >
> > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
> ribbon
> > > cable?
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > tele64
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Never on any computer I've seen since 1981. Perhaps a very, very, very,
very special model.

For a standard IDE controller, two is the limit. Now pretty much every
motherboard has two controllers. so two cables = four devices.

Tom
"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Yes possible....
>
>
>
> "Steve W." <me@homer.org> wrote in message
> news:40983eea_6@corp.newsgroups.com...
> > Not possible considering the floppy uses a smaller cable and connector
> > than the other two drives.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Williams
> >
> >
> >
> > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives
> > and
> > > one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
> > >
> > >
> > > "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > > > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > > > HH
> > > >
> > > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
> > ribbon
> > > > cable?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > >
> > > > > tele64
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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This group has tried to answer my question but can not....



"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Never on any computer I've seen since 1981. Perhaps a very, very, very,
> very special model.
>
> For a standard IDE controller, two is the limit. Now pretty much every
> motherboard has two controllers. so two cables = four devices.
>
> Tom
> "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:d9Xlc.26403$UG2.13725@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > Yes possible....
> >
> >
> >
> > "Steve W." <me@homer.org> wrote in message
> > news:40983eea_6@corp.newsgroups.com...
> > > Not possible considering the floppy uses a smaller cable and connector
> > > than the other two drives.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Williams
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW
drives
> > > and
> > > > one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > > > > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > > > > HH
> > > > >
> > > > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
> > > ribbon
> > > > > cable?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tele64
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Again, the floppy drive uses a floppy controller, not the IDE controllers,
and a 34-conductor cable. IDE cables are 40-conductor (wider). On a standard
PC, there are two ide controllers (primary and secondary). Each can handle 2
devices. Period.
HH

"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> This group has tried to answer my question but can not....
>
>
>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:z5mdndGq34yd2QXdRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> > Never on any computer I've seen since 1981. Perhaps a very, very, very,
> > very special model.
> >
> > For a standard IDE controller, two is the limit. Now pretty much every
> > motherboard has two controllers. so two cables = four devices.
> >
> > Tom
> > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:d9Xlc.26403$UG2.13725@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > > Yes possible....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve W." <me@homer.org> wrote in message
> > > news:40983eea_6@corp.newsgroups.com...
> > > > Not possible considering the floppy uses a smaller cable and
connector
> > > > than the other two drives.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Steve Williams
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW
> drives
> > > > and
> > > > > one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > > > > > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > > > > > HH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
> > > > ribbon
> > > > > > cable?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tele64
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:19:47 -0400, "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>you're wrong.

Are you sure? Unless your son uses SCSI setup and has SCSI disk drive
(is there such thing as internal SCSI floppy drive??), there is no way
a floppy drive and hard drive can be on the same cable. Take another
look, maybe it only appeared to be one cable is in fact 2 cables
positioned close together so to fool some nOObs like you.

Better yet, prove you're right by taking picture oif his computer and
posting it so we could look for ourselves.
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Here is a simple question for you. What make and model is this computer?

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"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> This group has tried to answer my question but can not....
>
>
>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:z5mdndGq34yd2QXdRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> > Never on any computer I've seen since 1981. Perhaps a very, very,
very,
> > very special model.
> >
> > For a standard IDE controller, two is the limit. Now pretty much
every
> > motherboard has two controllers. so two cables = four devices.
> >
> > Tom
> > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:d9Xlc.26403$UG2.13725@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > > Yes possible....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve W." <me@homer.org> wrote in message
> > > news:40983eea_6@corp.newsgroups.com...
> > > > Not possible considering the floppy uses a smaller cable and
connector
> > > > than the other two drives.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Steve Williams
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:exVlc.73807$oN1.27343@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW
> drives
> > > > and
> > > > > one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > > > > > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > > > > > HH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect)
40Pin
> > > > ribbon
> > > > > > cable?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tele64
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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>This group has tried to answer my question but can not....

Yes, the group has been quite polite in providing an answer--you just don't
like the answer. I vote with the others--I don't think more than two IDE on a
channel will work, but never having tried it, and being of rather limited
knowledge and experience, I'll not say its impossible. But I've never seen a
four connector IDE ribbon data cable (SCSI, yes, but not IDE). And I can't
imagine mixing floppy and IDE cables. If a four connector IDE exists it should
be easy to find doing a Goggle search--so search there rather than insult this
group. And I know of a local cable fabricator that could make one for you if
you insist--but I'd bet its a waste of your money.

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See, mr teletubbie64 ...

Actually, there is 1 way, and possilby 2, to get a floppy drive to work on a
40pin IDE cable, and controller.

The first that I am absolutely positive of ... is if that drive is an LS120
drive. While not strictly a floppy drive, it will do 1.44 floppies, and
120M disks. To the neophyte, the LS120 can easily be mistaken for a floppy
from just looking at the outside of the computer. It runs on the IDE ribbon
cable. I can provide pictures for those who have not seen them... I am using
2 of them in my computers now.

The second, and this one I am not sure about because I have never done it,
would be if that 'floppy" drive was actually a Zip drive. I am not sure
about the old Zip 100, but I do know that the Zip 250 comes in an ATAPI
(read as IDE) model Again, it would be utter ignorance to confuse the two.

Based on those two exceptions, as they are by no means "standard" equipment
on most consumer models of machines, we can see where a device that could
even remotely be mistaken for a floppy disk could rightfully be found on a
40pin cable.

(anyone that thinks this guy is a superstar should check the
a.s.pc-clone.compaq.servers group... I kill filed this genius.)

LC (aka NuTs)

"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> HH, I don't get it....my nephew has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives and
> one floppy.....all with one ribbon cable!
>
>
> "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fzDlc.734$Ga.549@fe25.usenetserver.com...
> > You cannot. Only 2 drives per IDE controller.
> > HH
> >
> > "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:VlClc.65095$oN1.62474@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon
> > cable?
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > tele64
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 03:38:04 -0500, "NuT CrAcKeR"
<nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote:


>Based on those two exceptions, as they are by no means "standard" equipment
>on most consumer models of machines, we can see where a device that could
>even remotely be mistaken for a floppy disk could rightfully be found on a
>40pin cable.

I'm still pretty sure you can't have more than 2 IDE drives to the
same cable. So even if it was an LS120 or Zip drive, 3 isn't quite
possible.

FWIW there are 2 versions of 100MB Zip drive. The original one used
nonstandard design and required special driver to make it work and the
newer version used standard IDE protocol and can work.
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You are correct, you can only connect two devices per cable. He
probably saw a scsi cable.

Impmon wrote:

> On Wed, 5 May 2004 03:38:04 -0500, "NuT CrAcKeR"
> <nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Based on those two exceptions, as they are by no means "standard" equipment
>>on most consumer models of machines, we can see where a device that could
>>even remotely be mistaken for a floppy disk could rightfully be found on a
>>40pin cable.
>
>
> I'm still pretty sure you can't have more than 2 IDE drives to the
> same cable. So even if it was an LS120 or Zip drive, 3 isn't quite
> possible.
>
> FWIW there are 2 versions of 100MB Zip drive. The original one used
> nonstandard design and required special driver to make it work and the
> newer version used standard IDE protocol and can work.
 
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My post was not to suggest that there were 3 devices on an IDE cable, but
was made to show 2 possible inaccurate interpretations of floppy drives on
an IDE cable. Call it splitting hairs, but it seems like a signicicant
difference to me.

LC

"Impmon" <impmon@digi.mon> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 May 2004 03:38:04 -0500, "NuT CrAcKeR"
> <nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote:
>
>
> >Based on those two exceptions, as they are by no means "standard"
equipment
> >on most consumer models of machines, we can see where a device that
could
> >even remotely be mistaken for a floppy disk could rightfully be found on
a
> >40pin cable.
>
> I'm still pretty sure you can't have more than 2 IDE drives to the
> same cable. So even if it was an LS120 or Zip drive, 3 isn't quite
> possible.
>
> FWIW there are 2 versions of 100MB Zip drive. The original one used
> nonstandard design and required special driver to make it work and the
> newer version used standard IDE protocol and can work.
> --
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Sir, I did not insult anyone until any I received an insult. I asked a
simple question and not one person directed me to the "real" answer. An IDE
card....


"DEJ57" <dej57@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >This group has tried to answer my question but can not....
>
> Yes, the group has been quite polite in providing an answer--you just
don't
> like the answer. I vote with the others--I don't think more than two IDE
on a
> channel will work, but never having tried it, and being of rather limited
> knowledge and experience, I'll not say its impossible. But I've never
seen a
> four connector IDE ribbon data cable (SCSI, yes, but not IDE). And I can't
> imagine mixing floppy and IDE cables. If a four connector IDE exists it
should
> be easy to find doing a Goggle search--so search there rather than insult
this
> group. And I know of a local cable fabricator that could make one for you
if
> you insist--but I'd bet its a waste of your money.
>
> Dale
 
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Uh, an IDE card will not allow 3 drives on a cable any more than your
onboard IDE controller will, so in actuality, it is not an answer either.
Also, many PCs and their OSs react strangely to any more than 4 IDE devices
total.
Dale was politely making a good point.
HH

"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Sir, I did not insult anyone until any I received an insult. I asked a
> simple question and not one person directed me to the "real" answer. An
IDE
> card....
>
>
> "DEJ57" <dej57@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040504222143.22258.00000713@mb-m01.aol.com...
> > >This group has tried to answer my question but can not....
> >
> > Yes, the group has been quite polite in providing an answer--you just
> don't
> > like the answer. I vote with the others--I don't think more than two
IDE
> on a
> > channel will work, but never having tried it, and being of rather
limited
> > knowledge and experience, I'll not say its impossible. But I've never
> seen a
> > four connector IDE ribbon data cable (SCSI, yes, but not IDE). And I
can't
> > imagine mixing floppy and IDE cables. If a four connector IDE exists it
> should
> > be easy to find doing a Goggle search--so search there rather than
insult
> this
> > group. And I know of a local cable fabricator that could make one for
you
> if
> > you insist--but I'd bet its a waste of your money.
> >
> > Dale
>
>
 
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Show us the "first insult".

The PCI card will not allow three either.

Tom
"tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:_3hnc.63463$cb.7383@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Sir, I did not insult anyone until any I received an insult. I asked a
> simple question and not one person directed me to the "real" answer. An
IDE
> card....
>
>
> "DEJ57" <dej57@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040504222143.22258.00000713@mb-m01.aol.com...
> > >This group has tried to answer my question but can not....
> >
> > Yes, the group has been quite polite in providing an answer--you just
> don't
> > like the answer. I vote with the others--I don't think more than two
IDE
> on a
> > channel will work, but never having tried it, and being of rather
limited
> > knowledge and experience, I'll not say its impossible. But I've never
> seen a
> > four connector IDE ribbon data cable (SCSI, yes, but not IDE). And I
can't
> > imagine mixing floppy and IDE cables. If a four connector IDE exists it
> should
> > be easy to find doing a Goggle search--so search there rather than
insult
> this
> > group. And I know of a local cable fabricator that could make one for
you
> if
> > you insist--but I'd bet its a waste of your money.
> >
> > Dale
>
>
 
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On Sun, 9 May 2004 06:24:54 -0400, "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Uh, an IDE card will not allow 3 drives on a cable any more than your
>onboard IDE controller will, so in actuality, it is not an answer either.
>Also, many PCs and their OSs react strangely to any more than 4 IDE devices
>total.

Not quite. With a second IDE card, you could add 4 more devices.
I've done this before with Win 3.1 and a pile of 120MB hard drives.
As long as the correct drivers are used, no odd behavior should
happen. It's not common though as for most people, 2 ports and 4
drives are usually enough.

The only possible issues with multiple IDE cards is the boot order.
Onboard IDE generally have boot drives only but if there's no onboard
IDE or if it's been disabled and you have 2 or more IDE cards,
figuring which card get sthe boot priority would require a bit of
trial and error.

>Dale was politely making a good point.

Yes he was. There is simply no way to get 3 or more IDE devices on
the same IDE port. The OP was being a jerk for insisting the
impossible was possible without closely checking for what it really
was. (SCSI? Or 2 separate cables held together so it appears as one
cable?)
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Uh, I was referring to non-ancient OSs. I've seen the squirrelly behavior
with more than 4 IDE devices in Win 95, 98, Me and even 2000 and XP. Raid
controllers are another matter. A standard dual channel IDe controller and a
raid controller often can co-exist peacefully.
HH

"Impmon" <impmon@digi.mon> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 9 May 2004 06:24:54 -0400, "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Uh, an IDE card will not allow 3 drives on a cable any more than your
> >onboard IDE controller will, so in actuality, it is not an answer either.
> >Also, many PCs and their OSs react strangely to any more than 4 IDE
devices
> >total.
>
> Not quite. With a second IDE card, you could add 4 more devices.
> I've done this before with Win 3.1 and a pile of 120MB hard drives.
> As long as the correct drivers are used, no odd behavior should
> happen. It's not common though as for most people, 2 ports and 4
> drives are usually enough.
>
> The only possible issues with multiple IDE cards is the boot order.
> Onboard IDE generally have boot drives only but if there's no onboard
> IDE or if it's been disabled and you have 2 or more IDE cards,
> figuring which card get sthe boot priority would require a bit of
> trial and error.
>
> >Dale was politely making a good point.
>
> Yes he was. There is simply no way to get 3 or more IDE devices on
> the same IDE port. The OP was being a jerk for insisting the
> impossible was possible without closely checking for what it really
> was. (SCSI? Or 2 separate cables held together so it appears as one
> cable?)
> --
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 06:13:36 -0400, "HH" <hahunt42@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Uh, I was referring to non-ancient OSs. I've seen the squirrelly behavior
>with more than 4 IDE devices in Win 95, 98, Me and even 2000 and XP. Raid
>controllers are another matter. A standard dual channel IDe controller and a
>raid controller often can co-exist peacefully.

Funny I don't have any problem with my current system: onboard IDE
with 80GB primary, 60GB slave (boot drive), DVD-ROM and DVD burner and
I have a plain vanilla ATA133 card added with 3x 200GB hard drives.
The only odd problem I had in the past 6 months was that one of the
200GB hard drive mysteriously unformatted itself but that was probably
because the file table was being written when a power failure happened
and corrupted the partition data.

Oh yeah I have XP with SP1, older XP can't handle 200GB drives anyway.
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tele64 <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> This group has tried to answer my question but can not....

The group has consistently and correctly answered your question, you simply
refuse to accept the reply you've received!

Regards,

James

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First, the other postings are correct. A standard IDE channel handles two, and
no more than two, devices. I have been in this business for many many years,
and I have torn apart, serviced, or built thousands of computers. NEVER have I
seen a 3-device 40-pin IDE cable. If it does exist, it also requires a
non-standard IDE controller of some sort. IDE drives have exactly two device
settings: master & slave. So no more than two devices per cable. SCSI
controllers support up to 7, or even 15, devices depending on the type of SCSI
you have. But SCSI uses 50-pin or 68-pin cables, not 40-pin.

Second, you can add PCI IDE controller cards to a system to expand the number of
IDE channels beyond the usual primary and secondary. I have seen systems with
four IDE channels, two devices each, for a total of eight IDE devices. Even
more are possible.

Third, especially if the system is a Compaq, there is the possibility that the
"floppy" drive is/was an LS120 drive with an IDE connector. LS120 reads and
writes both its own 120MB disk and standard 1.44MB floppy diskettes. A system
with three IDE devices would customarily use two IDE channels and have two
cables.

Rather than simply denying responses, as in the past, how about identifying the
IDE controller card (manufacturer and model) which uses a 3-device cable and
allows 3 devices to be attached? Thanks... Ben Myers

On Mon, 3 May 2004 21:36:19 -0400, "tele64" <tele64@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon cable?
>
>thanks in advance,
>
>tele64
>
>
 
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