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Anonymous
January 23, 2005 1:39:02 PM

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ref my last post about "hardrive full... NOT"

Could someone educate us on the file attributes, being A, H, C, HC, R, S or
HSA

I will admi to being more concerned about HSA.
I searched it on the web and found it means "Removed Uninstall Key".
A second search on that comes back with links to hijacked programs.
However, I am absolutly certain not to have any such nasties on my system (I
run a bunch of anti-everything). And just to be certain, I scanned using the
software "HijackThis" and all seems alright.

The files I am concerned with are:
C:WINDOWS/0 1 375 440 System file
C:WINDOWS/4 1 375 440 System file
C:WINDOWS/6 1 375 440 System file
C:WINDOWS/8 1 375 440 System file
C:WINDOWS/9 1 375 440 System file

This all have the HSA attribute and I can't do a arn thing with them even in
safe mode and all service turned of or disabled (excetp Logical Disk Manager).

More about : file attribute hsa

Anonymous
January 23, 2005 3:48:21 PM

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What are you trying to do?

File attributes:

A = Files ready for archiving

H = Hidden

C = Compressed

HC is two attributes = Hidden & Compressed

R = Read-only

S = System

HSA is three attributes = Hidden, System & Files ready for archiving

E = Encrypted

Encrypted files and folders cannot be compressed.

Compressed files and folders cannot be encrypted.
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Because the C:WINDOWS/0, 4, 6, 8 & 9 folders have the System (S) attribute,
you cannot delete them.

What's in these folders?

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:6D2862D0-39AA-4689-87E8-A31BBC66F1CC@microsoft.com,
Steph. <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> ref my last post about "hardrive full... NOT"
>
> Could someone educate us on the file attributes, being A, H, C, HC,
> R, S or HSA
>
> I will admi to being more concerned about HSA.
> I searched it on the web and found it means "Removed Uninstall Key".
> A second search on that comes back with links to hijacked programs.
> However, I am absolutly certain not to have any such nasties on my
> system (I run a bunch of anti-everything). And just to be certain, I
> scanned using the software "HijackThis" and all seems alright.
>
> The files I am concerned with are:
> C:WINDOWS/0 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/4 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/6 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/8 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/9 1 375 440 System file
>
> This all have the HSA attribute and I can't do a arn thing with them
> even in safe mode and all service turned of or disabled (excetp
> Logical Disk Manager).
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 3:48:22 PM

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My original problem is that my C drive is critically low on space.
All I have on that drive is Windows and my anti-everything program... That's
it.
The partition is 16 Gig and I only have 360Mb left on it and those 5 files
use 5.55Gig all on their own and I don't have a clue on their purpose.

And yes, I did clear all tmp and log files and my browsers aset with low
cache and small history.

I ran out of ideas and things to try.
I originally thought they were related to defrag, but I am now sure of
nothing, except that I don't have any bogies on my system.
Related resources
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 5:40:54 PM

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None of those folders appears on my machine. I am running Windows XP Pro
SP1.

What the heck is in them?

Here are the default folders that should be in the windows folder.
I.e. C:\WINDOWS\

Windows Folder
The Windows folder and its subfolders contain the operating system files for
your Windows XP Professional installation (as shown in Table A.4).
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Window...

My C:\WINDOWS folder...

Size: 1.44 GB (1,556,563,865 bytes)
Contains: 10,464 Files, 471 Folders

You have a problem, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.

What is in those folders???

C:WINDOWS/0
C:WINDOWS/4
C:WINDOWS/6
C:WINDOWS/8
C:WINDOWS/9

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:C7B129C2-3050-4463-AD37-888F7E69F5B6@microsoft.com,
Steph. <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> My original problem is that my C drive is critically low on space.
> All I have on that drive is Windows and my anti-everything program...
> That's it.
> The partition is 16 Gig and I only have 360Mb left on it and those 5
> files use 5.55Gig all on their own and I don't have a clue on their
> purpose.
>
> And yes, I did clear all tmp and log files and my browsers aset with
> low cache and small history.
>
> I ran out of ideas and things to try.
> I originally thought they were related to defrag, but I am now sure of
> nothing, except that I don't have any bogies on my system.
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 6:23:01 PM

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You can increase the size of your C drive if you feel confident using
software such as Partition Magic:

Partition Magic 8.0
http://www.symantec.com/partitionmagic/

However, Windows and your "anti-everything" software should not occupy
anything near 16GB, unless you've installed every application in the known
universe with 'anti' in its name.

Ted Zieglar

"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C7B129C2-3050-4463-AD37-888F7E69F5B6@microsoft.com...
> My original problem is that my C drive is critically low on space.
> All I have on that drive is Windows and my anti-everything program...
> That's
> it.
> The partition is 16 Gig and I only have 360Mb left on it and those 5 files
> use 5.55Gig all on their own and I don't have a clue on their purpose.
>
> And yes, I did clear all tmp and log files and my browsers aset with low
> cache and small history.
>
> I ran out of ideas and things to try.
> I originally thought they were related to defrag, but I am now sure of
> nothing, except that I don't have any bogies on my system.
>
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 6:23:02 PM

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You have reached the same conclusion as me that windows should not use that
much space.

As it is, Windows is using 11.5Gig (nonesense) and Program files is using
1.5 Gig (my anti everything), because all my other programs are on another
partition.

I don't know how much space Windows XP pro SP2 should take but it's
oblivious that I have a problem, and the biggest nonsense I can see are those
untouchable windows/0 type.
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 7:41:02 PM

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I have no idea what's in those files.
When in safe mode, with everything turned off except Logical Disk Manager,
I still can't get into those files.

When I try to open them, I get told that I don't have permission.
When I try to rename, move or delete them, I am told that they are system
files in use...remember, this is with Windows safe mode and all services off.

I run 1 antivirus (Norton), 1 firewall (ZoneAlarm) and 2 more antispyware
(Microsoft Antispyware and Spy Sweeper) and I also scanned with HijackThis.
My system passes all scans with no problems detected.

So something is running those files,... what I don't know!

If they don't belong to Windows, then I guess I will boot in DOS, delete
them and then see what program is not working anymore.

However, out of desperation, I will mention that since I formated and
re-installed my whole computer back in September, System Restore has never
worked. Everytime I try to access it, I am told that it is unable to protect
my computer and to restart my machine to restart the service again. I don't
know if there could be any relation, but I gave up on that one some time ago.
Could it be some SR kinda lost log file????

For sure, a format and re-install would correct the situation, but I have
over 50 business application, programing and editing software (from C++ to
Flash, to Office and Adobe) installed, I am a busy student and simply cannot
afford a whole week to re-install and update everything, so I have to fix
this one, at least until the summer.

And by the way, a wonderful tanks to all who are trying to help!!!!
Anonymous
January 23, 2005 8:58:19 PM

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Steph: These accounts that you've been writing about do not belong to
Windows XP, so unless you put them on your computer, somebody else did, your
protests to the contrary notwithstanding.

If you can't get rid of them in the usual ways, you'll need to backup your
data and perform a clean install.

Ted Zieglar

"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FAB091FA-373F-4879-9F3D-3D6302F247D5@microsoft.com...
> You have reached the same conclusion as me that windows should not use
> that
> much space.
>
> As it is, Windows is using 11.5Gig (nonesense) and Program files is using
> 1.5 Gig (my anti everything), because all my other programs are on another
> partition.
>
> I don't know how much space Windows XP pro SP2 should take but it's
> oblivious that I have a problem, and the biggest nonsense I can see are
> those
> untouchable windows/0 type.
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 2:55:14 PM

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You can use OH from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyi...

Type
oh +otl
reboot
then
oh /t file <filename>
or leave filename blank to see all.

EG to see what program has inbox.dbx open (OE's inbox file)

oh /t file inbox.dbx
which returns

//
// TIME: 2004-03-30 19:50
// MACHINE: SERENITY
// BUILD: 2600
// OH version: built by: dnsrv_dev(v-smgum)
//
//
00000CF0 msimn.exe File 050c \Documents and Settings\David Candy\
Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{E6E1A8F2-C885-46A5-975E-94A4A1F8C788
}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\Inbox.dbx

[Microsoft Internet Mail And News (MSIMN.EXE) is the real name of Outlook Express rather than the marketing name. Office's Outlook internet features is a copy of Outlook Express. OL stole OE's code while OE got OL's name.]


Also try typing in Help
taking ownership
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"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FFD84B04-8592-42C0-846B-EEE41B17E798@microsoft.com...
>I have no idea what's in those files.
> When in safe mode, with everything turned off except Logical Disk Manager,
> I still can't get into those files.
>
> When I try to open them, I get told that I don't have permission.
> When I try to rename, move or delete them, I am told that they are system
> files in use...remember, this is with Windows safe mode and all services off.
>
> I run 1 antivirus (Norton), 1 firewall (ZoneAlarm) and 2 more antispyware
> (Microsoft Antispyware and Spy Sweeper) and I also scanned with HijackThis.
> My system passes all scans with no problems detected.
>
> So something is running those files,... what I don't know!
>
> If they don't belong to Windows, then I guess I will boot in DOS, delete
> them and then see what program is not working anymore.
>
> However, out of desperation, I will mention that since I formated and
> re-installed my whole computer back in September, System Restore has never
> worked. Everytime I try to access it, I am told that it is unable to protect
> my computer and to restart my machine to restart the service again. I don't
> know if there could be any relation, but I gave up on that one some time ago.
> Could it be some SR kinda lost log file????
>
> For sure, a format and re-install would correct the situation, but I have
> over 50 business application, programing and editing software (from C++ to
> Flash, to Office and Adobe) installed, I am a busy student and simply cannot
> afford a whole week to re-install and update everything, so I have to fix
> this one, at least until the summer.
>
> And by the way, a wonderful tanks to all who are trying to help!!!!
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 2:55:15 PM

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That was interresting! I got a list of 233 lignes.

I don't know why you sspected an issue with outlok, but I don't have that
file running anyway.

So, first I tried to interpret what showed...
First I looked for unusual names... some I don,t know what they are, but
none that stands out as suspecious.

Second, I looked at a relevent group of seven entries.
As you can see, I have 7 weird files on my drive
C:WINDOWS/0 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA
C:WINDOWS/4 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA
C:WINDOWS/6 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA
C:WINDOWS/8 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA
C:WINDOWS/9 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA
C:WINDOWS/S 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA
C:WINDOWS/Y 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
modified) HSA

And here's what groups of seven I found. Can you make any sens out of that???
Could it be Norton that's causing havoc? What's "nvsvc32.exe"???

000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 000c \WINDOWS\system32
000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0044 \net\NtControlPipe13
000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0088
\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0090
\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0098
\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 010c
\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0190
\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 4:29:59 PM

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I don't suspect an issue with outlook express, I showing you how to use OH with OE data files as the example.

Directories are files, so

oh /t file 0

will show you who has any directories or files with the name 0 in it open.

EG c:\windows\0\afilename

will show what has afilename open.

cacls c:\windows\0 will show security status.

nvsvc32 is nvidia video card stuff.
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"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:76D1DD08-95C2-4469-8BF1-592622913F64@microsoft.com...
> That was interresting! I got a list of 233 lignes.
>
> I don't know why you sspected an issue with outlok, but I don't have that
> file running anyway.
>
> So, first I tried to interpret what showed...
> First I looked for unusual names... some I don,t know what they are, but
> none that stands out as suspecious.
>
> Second, I looked at a relevent group of seven entries.
> As you can see, I have 7 weird files on my drive
> C:WINDOWS/0 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/4 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/6 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/8 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/9 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/S 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/Y 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
>
> And here's what groups of seven I found. Can you make any sens out of that???
> Could it be Norton that's causing havoc? What's "nvsvc32.exe"???
>
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 000c \WINDOWS\system32
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0044 \net\NtControlPipe13
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0088
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0090
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0098
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 010c
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0190
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
>
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 4:30:23 PM

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The rest of your post is irrelevent and normal.

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"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:76D1DD08-95C2-4469-8BF1-592622913F64@microsoft.com...
> That was interresting! I got a list of 233 lignes.
>
> I don't know why you sspected an issue with outlok, but I don't have that
> file running anyway.
>
> So, first I tried to interpret what showed...
> First I looked for unusual names... some I don,t know what they are, but
> none that stands out as suspecious.
>
> Second, I looked at a relevent group of seven entries.
> As you can see, I have 7 weird files on my drive
> C:WINDOWS/0 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/4 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/6 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/8 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/9 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/S 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
> C:WINDOWS/Y 1 375 440 System file 2005-01-23-20:39(date
> modified) HSA
>
> And here's what groups of seven I found. Can you make any sens out of that???
> Could it be Norton that's causing havoc? What's "nvsvc32.exe"???
>
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 000c \WINDOWS\system32
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0044 \net\NtControlPipe13
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0088
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0090
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0098
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 010c
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
> 000006BC nvsvc32.exe File 0190
> \WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9
>
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 8:10:18 PM

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Hi, Steph.

I've read the thread thus far. I'd like to back up a few steps and have you
try a few things.

First, open a "DOS" window in WinXP. At the Root of C:, type dir /x. The
/x switch should produce a column of SFNs (Short File Names, also known as
8.3 filenames) before the LFNs. Every file has to have a valid SFN. Some
apparently-valid LFNs have hidden characters that do not show up normally,
but they must show if you use the /x switch. Even some 3-character
filenames are not valid SFNs if they include spaces or unprintable
characters. And, of course, the \ is not a valid character in an 8.3
filename; it indicates a subdirectory. What is the SFN for WINDOWS\0, for
example? When I typed "md C:\WINDOWS\0", "DOS" created both the \Windows
folder and a subdirectory under \Windows named \0. They both had zero
bytes, of course. And dir windows /s/x/a produces a blank SFN column, since
both "WINDOWS" and "0" are valid SFNs. (As usual in a "DOS" window, type
dir /? to see a mini-Help file showing all the switches available with the
dir command.)

If those files don't show up with dir /x, it's probably because of the HSA
attributes, as Wes explained. In that case, either remove the attributes,
or just type dir /x /a. The /a switch shows ALL files in the directory, no
matter which attributes may be set. If you still don't see the SFN for
WINDOWS\*, then please tell us what you DO see with dir C:\ /x /a. We would
expect the SFN to also be WINDOWS, of course; if it isn't then we SURE want
to know that!

Once you know the SFN of \WINDOWS\0, for example, it should be a simple
matter to see the contents of that file or folder, using dir with the /s or
other switches, if it is a folder, or the Type or Edit command if it is a
file.

You haven't said whether your system is networked or standalone. I'm a
one-man, one-computer kind of guy. I know nothing of networks or profiles
or permissions. So if your problem is caused by those aspects of WinXP,
then I can't help much. But if your system is just a standalone single
computer, we should be able to find the problem and fix it.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6D2862D0-39AA-4689-87E8-A31BBC66F1CC@microsoft.com...
> ref my last post about "hardrive full... NOT"
>
> Could someone educate us on the file attributes, being A, H, C, HC, R, S
> or
> HSA
>
> I will admi to being more concerned about HSA.
> I searched it on the web and found it means "Removed Uninstall Key".
> A second search on that comes back with links to hijacked programs.
> However, I am absolutly certain not to have any such nasties on my system
> (I
> run a bunch of anti-everything). And just to be certain, I scanned using
> the
> software "HijackThis" and all seems alright.
>
> The files I am concerned with are:
> C:WINDOWS/0 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/4 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/6 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/8 1 375 440 System file
> C:WINDOWS/9 1 375 440 System file
>
> This all have the HSA attribute and I can't do a arn thing with them even
> in
> safe mode and all service turned of or disabled (excetp Logical Disk
> Manager).
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 10:15:03 PM

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Hi David!

Sorry I didn,t read your instruction correctly last night. At the same time
I was trying to follow your instructions, I was trying to finish a report I
had to submit this morning (Monday).

Anyway, I have now followed Aall your commands, except for de delete one. I
have left that one for further troubleshooting in case one of you Grand
master Wiz can figure out how it came to happen... if it is worht trying to
understand.

Anyhow, I have put the results of your instruction on a web page at
http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page.

I can see the files but still cannot do anything to them, not even change
the attributes.

Thanks again, I am learning lots so far!
Anonymous
January 24, 2005 10:25:02 PM

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Hi RC!

I have followed your instructions and posted the results at
http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page

However, as you will see, I come up with the same results as what David got
me to try.

I'm not sure if I understand the LFN thing though. I could still see the
files 0, 4,6, 8, S and Y from Windows Explorer, so I'm not sure if your
procedure was to allow vewing of those files or if it was about getting more
informations about them??

By the way, I am on an individual computer.
With this going back to school thing, my entire life is on the one computer,
so my wife won't even try to get near it...or I'll bite her LOL. And my
daughter is only 3 years old and she hasn't bogged me to have her own machine
.....yet!
Anonymous
January 25, 2005 1:13:52 AM

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Steph,

The LFN thing is Long File Name.

SFN or Short File Name or 8.3 name

Short File Name is
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1

Long File Name is
C:\Documents and Settings\Wesley P. Vogel\Local Settings

Same path, different names.

More info...

Long name:
[[A folder name or file name longer than the 8.3 file name standard (up to
eight characters followed by a period and an extension of up to three
characters) of the FAT file system. This version of Windows supports long
file names up to 255 characters.]]

[[On Windows platforms, each "long file name" (file name which is not in DOS
8.3 format) has a "short file name" (in DOS 8.3 format) alternate name. For
example, "longfilename.txt" (which is not in DOS 8.3 format) has an
alternate file name "longfi~1.txt", and "name.jumbo" has an alternate file
name "name~1.jum". The short file name is basically formed by taking the
name part of the file name (all characters up to the extension), trimming it
to 6 characters if necessary, and appending "~1" to it, and then trimming
the extension to 3 characters if necessary.

If there is already a file with that same (alternate) name in the directory,
then the number (after the "~") is incremented until a free name is found.
This scheme has one exception - if the name part is 1-2 characters long,
then a different algorithm is used to produce the name part.]]

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:D F31676C-86DB-4D9C-88AD-9C09379A3F1D@microsoft.com,
Steph. <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> Hi RC!
>
> I have followed your instructions and posted the results at
> http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page
>
> However, as you will see, I come up with the same results as what
> David got me to try.
>
> I'm not sure if I understand the LFN thing though. I could still see
> the files 0, 4,6, 8, S and Y from Windows Explorer, so I'm not sure
> if your procedure was to allow vewing of those files or if it was
> about getting more informations about them??
>
> By the way, I am on an individual computer.
> With this going back to school thing, my entire life is on the one
> computer, so my wife won't even try to get near it...or I'll bite her
> LOL. And my daughter is only 3 years old and she hasn't bogged me to
> have her own machine ....yet!
Anonymous
January 25, 2005 9:45:04 AM

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Hi RC!

Now I get it with the SFN and LFN. Fubnny, I tought that DOS was completelly
out of the system since Win 2000! I guess I was wrong!

Anyway, I am quoting your original question asking me what SFN I could see
and here are the results.

/*What is the SFN for WINDOWS\0, for example?
If you still don't see the SFN for WINDOWS\*, then please tell us what you
DO see with dir C:\ /x /a. We would expect the SFN to
also be WINDOWS, of course; if it isn't then we SURE want to know that!*/

/*Once you know the SFN of \WINDOWS\0, for example, it should
be a simple
matter to see the contents of that file or folder, using dir with the /s or
other switches, if it is a folder, or the Type or Edit command if it is a
file. */

2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 0
2005-01-24 20:20 0 0.log
2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 4
2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 6
2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 8
2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 9
2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 S
2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 Y

But what do we want to know from the SFN?

And the /s command produced the following:
C:\>dir /s /a windows\0
Volume in drive C is WINDOWS
Volume Serial Number is 38BF-EE85

Directory of C:\windows

2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 0
1 File(s) 1 408 450 560 bytes

Total Files Listed:
1 File(s) 1 408 450 560 bytes
0 Dir(s) 1 142 890 496 bytes free



http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page
Anonymous
January 25, 2005 8:24:20 PM

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Hi, Steph.

> Now I get it with the SFN and LFN. Fubnny, I tought that DOS was
> completelly
> out of the system since Win 2000! I guess I was wrong!

Yes, MS-DOS is completely gone (except just enough to let WinXP create an
MS-DOS boot floppy). But Win2K and WinXP include an emulator that many
consider "a better DOS than DOS". In WinXP, just click Start | All Programs
| Accessories | Command Prompt, or Start | Run and enter Cmd.exe. This will
open what I call a "DOS" window, with "DOS" in quotes to emphasize that it
is not true MS-DOS. In this window, nearly all the old familiar MS-DOS
commands will work just about like they always did. And most of the old
MS-DOS applications will still run, the exceptions being those that
manipulated the hardware directly (like games, especially), because WinXP
deals with hardware through the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer), which
MS-DOS never heard of, and won't allow direct manipulation by those
programs.

As I said and Wes explained much better, each file must have a valid 8.3
filename. If the LFN qualifies as an SFN, then it is used; otherwise, an
SFN that qualifies under the old familiar 8.3 rules is created and stored in
the directory, in addition to the LFN. Long File Name is a slight misnomer
because some very short names don't qualify. For example, "A FILE" is only
6 characters, but one of them is a space, which MS-DOS would not allow, so
the SFN "afile~1" is created. See for yourself. Type: md "a file". Dir
will show "a file" (without the quotes). Dir /x will show both "a file" and
"afile~1".

> But what do we want to know from the SFN?

The reason I asked you to type dir /x was to see if any illegal characters
were hiding within the apparently valid filenames "Windows" and "0". The
results you posted show that no such tricks exist. Your 0, 4, 6, etc.,
files are just that: very large files with those very short names within
the Windows folder.

So now all you have to do is (a) delete those files that are taking up 1.4
GB each of your hard drive space, and (b) figure out what is causing such
files to be created in the first place. Have you tried the ideas that David
Candy has posted in the other sub-thread?

RC
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San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C4F87B9C-70B4-4578-98D7-6DCF792889FD@microsoft.com...
> Hi RC!
>
> Now I get it with the SFN and LFN. Fubnny, I tought that DOS was
> completelly
> out of the system since Win 2000! I guess I was wrong!
>
> Anyway, I am quoting your original question asking me what SFN I could see
> and here are the results.
>
> /*What is the SFN for WINDOWS\0, for example?
> If you still don't see the SFN for WINDOWS\*, then please tell us what you
> DO see with dir C:\ /x /a. We would expect the SFN
> to
> also be WINDOWS, of course; if it isn't then we SURE want to know that!*/
>
> /*Once you know the SFN of \WINDOWS\0, for example, it should
> be a simple
> matter to see the contents of that file or folder, using dir with the /s
> or
> other switches, if it is a folder, or the Type or Edit command if it is a
> file. */
>
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 0
> 2005-01-24 20:20 0 0.log
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 4
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 6
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 8
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 9
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 S
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 Y
>
> But what do we want to know from the SFN?
>
> And the /s command produced the following:
> C:\>dir /s /a windows\0
> Volume in drive C is WINDOWS
> Volume Serial Number is 38BF-EE85
>
> Directory of C:\windows
>
> 2005-01-24 20:19 1 408 450 560 0
> 1 File(s) 1 408 450 560 bytes
>
> Total Files Listed:
> 1 File(s) 1 408 450 560 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 1 142 890 496 bytes free
>
>
>
> http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page
Anonymous
January 25, 2005 8:57:44 PM

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At least we know the reason why you can't delete it. Nothing to do with security or attributes. The system is using the file. Now we need to find why the system is using the file.

Looking at the size of them, and looking at some of the things in the dir list, it appears you could be running coporate type software? Or virtual hard drives (seeing I just found another thread by you about defrag)? Any application can create it's own swap file but these tend to be big server type apps.

Now your defrag thread is interesting, not for the replies (I don't think it's a virus - I think it software you have installed but we'll check), but for what you say.

"The report showed that files c:windows/0 had over 800 files that could not
be defragmented and file c:windows/4 had over 400 files"

Files don't normally have files in them (and I did glance at that thread a few days ago and is must be the reason I thought we were talking about directories with these names). Can you elaborate on the defrag thing. All of us must of thought that you were writing typical non technical person explaining something and thus comes out as gibberish and so others just ignored it - many users call folders files. But you seem quite technical. Can you reget that report, there's a way of copy and pasting it but I can't tell you how as my defrag doesn't work as I just discovered (I use Perfect Disk). Found more threads by you. Viruses don't cause everything. Found a thread by a German guy in december so I emailed him (he got worse help than you, least people want to talk to you).

This is the email I sent.
http://groups.google.com.au/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=08...

Above is google's copy of a post you made on the 8th of the 12th.

Did you find the cause of this? If so what was it.

If not you may want to monitor
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain

Post dated Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:39:02 -0800

Subject Re: file attribute HSA

This will open the the group in Outlook Express or you can access the group via the web interface you used before.

--------------------------------------------

Conduct an experiment. Rename the file. If you can/can't it will tell us in what way the system is using the file. Program files can be renamed but not deleted. Data files can't be renamed or deleted (but some are similar to program files). If you can rename it reboot and see what happens.
It may create a new one and allow the old one to be deleted (though we'll need to check permissions etc all over) or not create a new one and allow the old to be deleted or some mixture.

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"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:85DA5009-5B0D-47FE-AF8A-AFDFB9220EC7@microsoft.com...
> Hi David!
>
> Sorry I didn,t read your instruction correctly last night. At the same time
> I was trying to follow your instructions, I was trying to finish a report I
> had to submit this morning (Monday).
>
> Anyway, I have now followed Aall your commands, except for de delete one. I
> have left that one for further troubleshooting in case one of you Grand
> master Wiz can figure out how it came to happen... if it is worht trying to
> understand.
>
> Anyhow, I have put the results of your instruction on a web page at
> http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page.
>
> I can see the files but still cannot do anything to them, not even change
> the attributes.
>
> Thanks again, I am learning lots so far!
Anonymous
January 25, 2005 8:57:45 PM

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Hi David!

First, I appologize for misleading you. I always mixup the terms files,
folders and directories, both in french and english, so in defrag post, when
I said that the windows\0 file had 800 files in it, I was full of it. what I
meant was actually that the FILE windows\0 had over 800 fragments in it.
Once again I got caught trying to do too may things too fast at the same
time.

Second, I find it interresting to see the message about the other fellow who
had the same problem as me. I missed his post when I originally searched the
issue, but I sure am interrested to find out how he fixed it.

Third, I have posted at http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page
the results of trying to change the attributes of my mysterious files,
rename, or delete. It all failed as you will see in <some_tests>.

Fourth, I tried a defrag, in safe mode just to alleviate as many
possibilities as I could, and I also posted the results in <DefragReport>.
From the report, we can see that my Mozzila inbox still has some fragmented
data, but that is a small problem compared to the 0, 4, 6, 8 (and 9, S, Y)
files. Note that even though 0,9, S and Y don,t report as fragmented, they
are the exact same size, attributes and date modified as 0, 4, 6 and 8.
Anonymous
January 26, 2005 9:57:02 PM

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Well, it had to happen!
I was trying some stuff from Norton clean sweep.
I tried to uninstall some left overs from Mozzila suit. I use Foxilla and
thunderbird so I uninstalled Mozzila some time ago.

I tought that it was taking a long time and started getting that feeling
that something was going wrong, so I tried to stop the application... that
didn't work, so I rebooted.

Now all Symantec is gone, my toolbars, every bit of Microsoft programs,
Firefox, Thunderbird, my desktop image, most icons and I haven't looked at
the rest. This is exactly what I could not afford timewise.

So what do I do now?

Do I reformat my C drive and reinstall over 50 programs or is there
something I can restore? (all I found in the trash box was some music I
trashed this afternoon).

Help!
Anonymous
January 27, 2005 12:47:16 PM

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I want to see the first little bit of the file. Try to open the file with notepad, wordpad, or word (use Recover Text From Any File converter). Post the first two pages of english you can find.

[I continue a day and a sleep later, the cricket got interesting. Australia is sooooooooo good and has been for years that there is little doubt in most games. But we were on the ropes yesterday and last night but won easily against the West Indies in the end]

To do the above, boot from Windows XP CD (you do have a CD that is a MS CD rather than a Dell CD, if not boot from these floppies http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q310/9... ), you need to read your computer manual (EG not XP but Dell or whoever) to see how to make your computer boot from CD or floppy. It may already be setup in the BIOS to boot from either of these if there is a bootable CD/Floppy in the drive. Read about boot order in the BIOS section of your manual. You access the bios on most computers by pressing holding delete as soon as you power on. But check your manual. Dell's only an example, a lot of their particular computers come with MS and Dell CDs but most other brands aren't as nice and give you computer manufacturer's CDs only or no CDs.

Then when Windows Setup starts it will ask you to press R to Repair. This takes you to a Recovery Command Prompt.

Type here

copy c:\windows\0 c:\windows\Old0.txt
exit

Type Help for help.


Then boot back to Windows, open Old0.txt in notepad or what ever and copy the first few pages of english text and a selection of other english in the file if it appears different. Should their be french just indicate if it looks like program words or your data but even french programs use english commands internally (as there is only english).

We can use the same method to delete the file but I'm not convinced it's not something important.

In your directory list you had directories and files with names like VIRTPART.DAT and MYSHAR~1 My Shared Folder which indicate you have some virtual hard disk and some network activity?

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"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:ED9BAFB3-5B61-42F5-B970-B8CBEEA647A6@microsoft.com...
> Hi David!
>
> First, I appologize for misleading you. I always mixup the terms files,
> folders and directories, both in french and english, so in defrag post, when
> I said that the windows\0 file had 800 files in it, I was full of it. what I
> meant was actually that the FILE windows\0 had over 800 fragments in it.
> Once again I got caught trying to do too may things too fast at the same
> time.
>
> Second, I find it interresting to see the message about the other fellow who
> had the same problem as me. I missed his post when I originally searched the
> issue, but I sure am interrested to find out how he fixed it.
>
> Third, I have posted at http://pages.videotron.com/steph1/first_page
> the results of trying to change the attributes of my mysterious files,
> rename, or delete. It all failed as you will see in <some_tests>.
>
> Fourth, I tried a defrag, in safe mode just to alleviate as many
> possibilities as I could, and I also posted the results in <DefragReport>.
> From the report, we can see that my Mozzila inbox still has some fragmented
> data, but that is a small problem compared to the 0, 4, 6, 8 (and 9, S, Y)
> files. Note that even though 0,9, S and Y don,t report as fragmented, they
> are the exact same size, attributes and date modified as 0, 4, 6 and 8.
Anonymous
January 28, 2005 12:22:06 PM

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I'm glad you're asking RC White this?

You would have to say exactly what you did. Are those big files still there?
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"Steph." <Steph@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BEFE31AF-707A-4785-BA60-5CBA06D19359@microsoft.com...
> Well, it had to happen!
> I was trying some stuff from Norton clean sweep.
> I tried to uninstall some left overs from Mozzila suit. I use Foxilla and
> thunderbird so I uninstalled Mozzila some time ago.
>
> I tought that it was taking a long time and started getting that feeling
> that something was going wrong, so I tried to stop the application... that
> didn't work, so I rebooted.
>
> Now all Symantec is gone, my toolbars, every bit of Microsoft programs,
> Firefox, Thunderbird, my desktop image, most icons and I haven't looked at
> the rest. This is exactly what I could not afford timewise.
>
> So what do I do now?
>
> Do I reformat my C drive and reinstall over 50 programs or is there
> something I can restore? (all I found in the trash box was some music I
> trashed this afternoon).
>
> Help!
>
Anonymous
January 28, 2005 12:22:07 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain (More info?)

Well, I did the repair thing.

Still had to re-install every piece of software that had anything to do with
the C drive (that was Office, Project, Visio, Virtual PC, Adobe, Firefox,
Thunderbird, Front page and on and on and on).

At least it fixed the System Restore which had never worked and I was able
to delete my mysterious files without them popping back up again.

Conclusion...

I should have reformatted the C drive.

It would have been so much easier, a heck of a lot faster and it would have
cleaned-up all the old leftover data from removed software or registry.

Norton cleansweep is what killed my programs data.
Norton is no longer on my computer!

What worked well...

Most of my programs are on a different partition, which saved me a lot of
hassles;
All my documents are on another partition, and so are my backups (needed
them to restore my outlook, Firefox and Thunderbird data);
And,
This group has some fantastic fellows that did spend a great deal of time
trying to help me.

Thank you fellows!
!