Canadian Buttholes

Is it just me or did anyone else notice what the Canadians are saying about the U.S. over this stupid friendly fire incident in Afghanistan?

It seems that the MAJORITY of the population of Canada feels that the U.S. isn't taking this seriously because they don't take Canadian lives seriously! LMAO, jerks. I guess they don't remember how small a deal it was when we killed a couple Americans in Kuwait.

IT WAS A FREAKING ACCIDENT, Canadians talk about their BRAVE soldiers lost to American hands, if they were brave they would have been expecting it could happen, because military excersises on this scale almost always result in a small number of friendly fire accidents. They want the entire U.S. nation to grieve for the loss of theirs, when we hardly grieve for the loss of our own? GET OVER IT, unless you knew the guy personally, you haven't been injured personally. We care for your soldiers as much as we care for ours, this [-peep-] is expected to happen on occasion. I bet hardly an eyebrow outside of your own military would have been raised if it had been YOUR army that killed your men.

Certain facts will always be facts. As hard as we try to eliminate friendly fire incidents, they do happen, RARELY. The fact that they don't happen frequently proves that we do a lot to prevent them. The pilots thought they were being fired on, and you wanted them to wait for clearence before defending. Guess what? IF they REALLY WERE being fired on, they would have been DEAD before getting permission to fire back. And narry a Canadian eyebrow to be raised!

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Yes, it was an accident, but have you no decency? These people did not cause this problem and sure as hell didn't deserve to get shot over this. As my duty as American, i have to say that i'm sorry that this happened. Next time i'll vote for Nader.

I'm sure Canadians are odd to us Americans, but that grieving part is sure a stranger to us. I think we are so desensitized by all the media brainwash crap that we would not care if our neighbors were killed. I know i wouldn't, because i don't even care about my own life (i'm a little suicidal).

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Reply to casiowatch

What if it was a Canadian who killed 4 Americans?

The main reason it's such a big deal to people here is because the US got hit by a terrorist attack, and we did what we could to help. The US took the initiative in Afghanistan, and we sent soldiers to help. Then, the US accidentally killed some of our soldiers; an incident which could easily have been prevented.

The very same thing could have been said about the 9/11 attacks. Why were americans so upset by it and not by the genocides in rwanda, or many other mass killings all over the world? Why didn't they go to help right away in WWII when many peaceful countries were being invaded?

The answer is because it was casualties that hit close to home.

How many americans personally knew a victim of 9/11? By your logic, those should be given sympathy, and the rest should just "GET OVER IT".

When 9/11 happened, Canadians didn't just get over it. We offered whatever help we could to our neighbours, and, despite much controversy here, sent our soldiers out to help you in your search for whomever hurt you. A little emotion and anger is expected, and even warranted in my opinion, when some of our countrymen were killed by your countrymen when we were only there to give our unconditional help.

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Reply to silverpig

I usually side with the military, but on this I think the pilots broke the rules of engagement, were never in any danger, and should pay for their mistakes. If you fly a 120 million dollar airplane, you follow the chain of command. No matter what Canadians think, their government knows fair justice has to come from a trial. No need to pass judgment before all is heard. The perception of the US may be low, and it may get lower, but it will be seen on the world stage, for the most part uncensored. One thing about Americans (and Canadians are part of North America) we love our dirty laundry.

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Reply to Schmide

It's the Canadians who have no decency, because THEY AREN'T GRIEVING, their instead treating this as an INSULT instead of a TRAGEDY. Now, I see not ONE crying over the death of these men, I see ALL of them BITCHING about how the U.S. might as well have did this on purpose! Only a Canadian would call that type of behavior "decency". What about the AMERICAN victims, aka the guys going to trial because they thought they were about to be killed, and now have to go to prison because of that mistake? Have you ever read a greek tragedy, aka where GOOD men make ONE mistake that destroys them? AKA, Oedipus, etc. In those plays, the victim is the person who commited an act which destroys himself!

If anyone is to blame here it's the Officers of BOTH sides for not comunicating properly. Why didn't those soldiers know that there were Canadians training there? Could it be because nobody TOLD them until it was too late?

But getting back to the RUDE Canadians, rather than solice, they seek REVENGE, how nice.

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Reply to Crashman

The Canadians put in the proper notice and much of the American force knew exactly where they were and what they were doing. It was an American mistake that led to the deaths.

If a person gets into a car accident and kills someone, you better be sure that the family of the deceased is going to want some kind of justice. Be it the person was negligent, reckless, or just plain unlucky, that is the point of a trial. If I'm not mistaken, that's where the whole situation is right now.

Why don't you drop the stereotypes and gross generalizations? It may help your credibility.

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Reply to silverpig

You are acting like an idiot.
Get a life.
No Canadian has insulted you.
The coalition forces were made aware well in advance of the exercise mission.
The American aircraft were not being fired on. They were not in any danger. They were flying in a restricted airspace. Either the pilots took it upon themsevles to bomb the Canadian artilery squad. Or someone told them it was OK to bomb the Canadian artilery squad.
Someone is negligent and incompetent. They need to be disiciplined accordingly.

I think you should contact Fredi and get this thread deleted.
You are looking very foolish.

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Reply to zpyrd

And what if it was a Canadian that killed 4 Americans? When we killed a couple of our own guys in the Persian Gulf, we took care of the problem. NO public outcry, the negligent people were held responsible and that was the end of it for everyone not directly within the victims circle of freinds and family. I'm certain the family got restitution, and grieved. And the rest of us said "OK, well, it was bad, but it's done with, and people were held responsible for their actions, so I'll just move on".

Now, you meantion the same thing could be said about the 9/11 attacks? I never knew you were a moron too! To begin with, a soldier accepts certain risk. The greatest risk is that of enemy fire. The slightest risk is that of friendly fire. They know this, yet they have the COURAGE to accept such risk. If they are unwilling to accept ALL risk, they don't need to be a soldier.

So how many Canadian civilians, aka people who did NOT accept the risk personally, were attacked and killed, aka MURDER vs negligent homicide?

If you found out your doctor made a very small mistake in a very complicated surgery and your loved one died, you would seek compensation from his insurance company. Would the whole community seek compensation? NO. Would the doctor stand trial for murder because he accidently moved an instrument 1/8 inch in the wrong direction? NO.

So you're saying I should have just as harsh feelings toward MY WHOLE COUNTRY for the Americans who died in the Persian Gulf as I do for the people who plotted the mass murder of all those civilians in New York? Moron.

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Reply to Crashman

It sounds like YOUR the idiot. LOOK, I see thousands of Canadians rallying against who, the people involved? NO, I see them rallying not against a handfull of soldiers but a whole country! You doubt the people involved will be tried? You doubt the people "behind the sceens" who caused the miscommunication will be delt with? No, you know that's happening. The whole of Canada see's this WHOLE THING being delt with just as the military always handles such matters. But I see all these Canadians saying that "the U.S. doesn't care about our men". Yes, thousands of them holding up banners that say that. Guess what buddy, I'm the freaking U.S. And I care just as much about any of my friends no matter where they live. No, the Canadians seek to taunt ME, aka the U.S. public, over something that I had no controll over. They don't want justice against the people responsible, they want revenge against the country as a whole.

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Reply to Crashman

Crash, i think you should calm down. Nobody should be insulting anybody.

Here's an except of why it happened:
"A fellow pilot also testified that Major Schmidt thought he was being fired on from the ground - and never blamed air force-sanctioned amphetamines that his lawyers say were at fault."

<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2670757.stm" target="_new">BBC News</A>

You are right, soldiers must accept this responsibility of being killed by the enemy or by friendly fire. [-peep-] happens.

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Reply to casiowatch

The modern battlefield is on a need to know basis. There is this concept called information overload. If your job is to take out ground targets, or hunt radar sights thats one thing, but randomly dump a $500k 2000-pound ordinance, you better have authorization. The chance of small arms fire bringing down a military aircraft is about nill, so these guys have some explaining to do.

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Reply to Schmide

MY gross generalizations? Pulling the plank out of your own eye might help you to remove the spec from mine! All I'm hearing about is "The Americans don't care, the Americans don't care" Waaa. Give me a break. The only people I cared about were those injured, those killed, and their families. NO, I didn't care how Joe Canadian felt about the whole thing until so many Joe Canadians said that it was MY fault. That's right, Me, Joe American. As in "the Americans don't care, the Americans don't care". If the Americans DIDN'T care, why do you think these guys are on trial. Why do you think the investigation continues? Why do you think I even watch the news coverage if "the Americans don't care". Bullshit, I'd punch a Canadian in the face if he said that to my face. I always thought of the U.S. and Canada as a sort of community, but I guess the Canadians never really felt that way. Maybe it's time I quit caring and just started kicking arse!

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Reply to Crashman

The outcry over this incident is actually most likely smaller than when the American FF incident in Iraq/Kuwait happened.

Besides, that was American killing American. Who could you blame? No one but your own military (which didn't happen much), or your President (which, IIRC, happened).

When referring to 9/11 I never mentioned the scenario or the players were the same. You told Canadians to "GET OVER IT" when some of our nationals were killed by some of yours when ours were there on your request for aid. That's very indecent.

I was referring to the fact that Americans were much more upset by a few thousand deaths at home than by many thousand deaths over seas. Why? Because it was their fellow countrymen. How many tears were shed in America over the Bali bombing?

The bottom line is that Canadians were killed by Americans in a very preventable incident. I feel sorry for the pilots, first of all because they have to live with what they did, and second because they are now probably going to be a dish of political appeasement.

Granted, casualties are sometimes inevitable. Granted, friendly fire is a risk soldiers take. Granted, this was tragedy.

You can't fault Canadians for feeling upset and showing some emotion over it though.

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Reply to silverpig

Yes, they were scared into reacting, this is not a good thing. But to here it called murder when it was at best manslaughter means Canadians want us to believe it was intentional. A bunch of bullies beating them up just to prove they could, instead of a bunch of scared people thinking there just MIGHT be a bullet comming through their windshield.

So far we have a case of probably second degree manslaughter for the guy who lead the attack, and a case of third or fourth for the person who followed. Ouch, someone has to pay though. I'll be keeping an eye on the outcome, I want to see where the comunication ended. Anyway, too many Canadians say I'm responsible, aka "the Americans don't care". So MY negligence killed their troups. And that's where I draw the line.

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Reply to Crashman

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NO, I didn't care how Joe Canadian felt about the whole thing until so many Joe Canadians said that it was MY fault. That's right, Me, Joe American. As in "the Americans don't care, the Americans don't care".

Canadians, is this how you guys feel? Is it all my countrymen's fault, including me?

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Reply to casiowatch

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Reply to scamtrOn

Just trying to redirect the anger towards the people directly involved. Hearing the words "the Americans" is like hearing the words "those Blacks". You can't judge a large group of people by the actions of a few.

Now before you turn that around on me, notice my title is Canadian Buttholes, refering to the people involved in this protest, not "all Canadians are buttholes" which would by far be a stretch of the truth.

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Reply to Crashman

"Is it just me or did anyone else notice what the Canadians are saying about the U.S. over this stupid friendly fire incident in Afghanistan?"

"It seems that the MAJORITY of the population of Canada feels that the U.S. isn't taking this seriously"

"Canadians talk about their BRAVE soldiers"

Dude, chill. It's by no means the MAJORITY of Canadians. Sure, there are some anti-US people here, and some of those may be assholes, but to extend that to mean the majority of a nation is ridiculous.

You're just the MAJORITY of Americans. What with your war mongering, praise the military, cowboy-esqe "shoot first, ask questions later, and don't come whining about a few dead people cause I'll kick your ass long live America" attitude.

I really hope sarcasm doesn't escape you.

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Reply to silverpig

In reply to:

NO, I didn't care how Joe Canadian felt about the whole thing until so many Joe Canadians said that it was MY fault. That's right, Me, Joe American. As in "the Americans don't care, the Americans don't care".

Canadians, is this how you guys feel? Is it all my countrymen's fault, including me?

ESPECIALLY you!

:smile:

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Reply to silverpig

Death to Canada! :smile:

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Reply to casiowatch

I can't believe a movie with a little bad language would piss you off so much!

... the Canadians have bombed the Baldwins.

:smile:

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Reply to silverpig

I feel in need of a new parking lot. Canada seems about right.

About the Balwdins, good job. For that we wont invade.

:smile:

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Reply to casiowatch

LOL, I think the last pole showed the majority of Canadians polled at random thought the U.S. wasn't taking this seriously. But I seriously doubt anything greater than a few percent are hitting the streets in protest and blaming the whole nation for a problem most likely caused by fewer than a dozen soldiers (including the pilots and the commanders involved). Still, it's a large (thousands) and vocal (screaming) minority of which I would refer to as buttholes.

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Reply to Crashman

Your crediblity is going down faster than a flushing toilet.
I work in Toronto and everyday on my way to and from work I listen to headline news radio. The friendly fire incident made our headlines for less than a week when it happened last April. I have not heard about any protests or any negative news regarding the friendly fire incident for many months.
There are always going to be a few zealots who take tragic events like this and blow it out of proportion. But they are zealots. No one takes them seriously.
My parents have retired and spend much of their free time at their cabin in Grayling Michigan. I know you are from Michigan and you will know where Grayling is. My parents are Canadian and they socialize daily with their neighbours at the cabin. Many of which have become best friends. The friendly fire incident with the Canadian soldiers was brought up once about how it was a horrible accident.
99.9% of Canadians feel that way. Its just a tragic horrible accident. Even though it was an accident someone neglected their duty and is incompetent and needs to be disiplined.
I don't think they need to go to jail. But I think they need to be relieved of their duties in the armed forces.

Did you know that 20% of the American casualties in Afghanistan were caused by friendly fire?
Did you know the pilots in the F16 that dropped the 500 pound laser guided bomb on the Canadian soldiers were Air National Guard? That seems a bit ridiculous to me. Do you think it is acceptable to allow a weekend warrior to fly a 100 million dollar aircraft in a combat zone?
Did you know the Canadians were ordered to stop firing before they were bombed because a coallition helicopter had to fly through the exercise zone?
Did you know the Canadian troops were horizontal ground firing at tank targets? Hmmm I wonder how the pilots of the F16 thought they were in a tank? They did say they the dropped the bomb in self defence. So if they were not being fired at how is it self defence?
Then there is the issue that they were given amphetamine.
Hmmm...Its illegal to drive a car under the influence of amphetamine. Seems really stupid to let an Air National Guard pilot fly a 100 million dollar aircraft under the influence of amphetamine.
If you search a little you will find out that American military officers have condemned the friendly fire accident.
American newsagencies have condemned the actions of the Air Force.
Its not only Canadian news agencies blaming the American military for the accident. Its your own God Loving American news agencies condemning the accident.
But the only problem I see is there hasn't been any news about this since it happened last April.
I did read there was supposed to be a pretrial hearing in January to see if there was any criminal neglect. Is this what you are ranting about?
If there is a trial and the pilots or whomever else is involved with the incident are found guilty. It has nothing to do with Canada or Canadians. They will be tried in American court and American jurors will decide their fates.

I still think you are foolish for ranting about this topic.
You look ridiculous. You are loosing more crediblity with each ignorant post you make.
Do yourself a favour and contact Fredi to get this thread deleted.

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Reply to zpyrd

Tree-hugging-protesting-hippies don't know how to speak manslaughter unless murder is brought up against them. Murder is just a catchy word. I think all to often Americans are just scared...scared of being called a dumb ass when we often are. For future reference, we as Americans are always responsible, even when we didn't do anything. I look forward to the day (it will never happen) when some another country takes the lead when it comes to policing the world.

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Reply to Schmide

Credibility? Ignorance? I guess I'm the only one who saw that huge rally being aired all over the news? OK, then, if I knew about it and you didn't, who's ignorant? Anyway, everything I said was true, so I loose no credibility. I have lied about nothing. In fact, I have no reason to lie. I'm simply protesting a public display I saw in the news, I'm protesting a damned protest. Perhaps the polls they took were bad? Perhaps that only reason the protest looked so large is because every single bad apple showed up from the whole of Canada? Perhaps some American protesters were shipped in also? Anyway, that's not my problem, my problem is with a minority that might be small in percentage but huge in number.

Yes, we condemn our own for their own actions. But from the rally you'd think we had made heros of them.

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Reply to Crashman

Yes yes, let's let Europe police the world. Their combined forces could nearly match ours, so it should be no problem for them. That would SURELY help to eliminate the formation of groups that pledge to anhilate us. Imagine a U.S. where 3rd world countries BEGGED us to employ their labor, but we didn't do it because it causes too many problems. Where countries BEGGED us for military assistance, but we simply refered them to the U.N. Where Al Kahida went after the Frech or something. Now that quite franky works for me, I'm tired of the U.S. being held responsible for everyone elses problems.

They say it's too expensive to produce certain things in the U.S., such as shoes, due to our high labor rates. Wolverine World Wide actually turned a profit with a Big Rapids, Michigan plant until the late 1980's. And they sold shoes for $40 a pair (retail price). At a substantially lower profit margine than Nike, of course, but still a profit. Was the lower profit bad for our economy? No, because the factory employed a lot of people, so the money was still there, just divided differently. What friendly countries could provide us lower than U.S. labor without causing problems? Mexico, even if the laborers were payed 1/2 the average U.S. rate, due to the lower cost of living, it would raise their standard of living. Or Peurto Rico. The Domican Republic. Countries that actually buy U.S. goods! We could do well to pull military and industial presense out of countries that don't want us there. Even Canada if need be.

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Reply to Crashman

Crashman, what news are you watching? I don't see jack [-peep-]!

One thing you must know about american media is that instill fear in the public (making small things worse than they should be). They also only report things that could be of interest to you joe-shmoe. Nobody cares if the is good in the world, they only care about the bad that happens.

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Reply to casiowatch

It was a morning news show, two days ago, I'll look around and see if they are still talking about it, probably not by now because it's now "old news". Maybe I should look it up on the net.

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Reply to Crashman

I would like you to show us these polls and protests.
I have searched and cannot find any articles in regard to Canadians protesting in large numbers against the American pilots who bombed the Canadian soldiers.
Also I have not seen anything accusing the pilots of murder.
I have read they are being tried to see if there is enough evidence to support a manslaughter charge.
What news agency reported on the protesting Canadians? What poll agency asked Canadians how they felt about the friendly fire incident?
I can't find any news related articles about what you have described. And what you have described should be headlining from many news agencies.
I am disturbed that you think Canadians would harbour such hatred towards Americans. The fact is we don't.
I am sorry if you saw something that upset you in the news. I would be embarassed if its true. The protesters you have described make me feel sick and I would be ashamed to know any of them.
I believe the American military court and or American judicial system will give the pilots and any other involved persons a fair trial. If anyone is found guilty of negligence or manslaughter I don't think they should be sent to jail. But I do think they should be dishonourably discharged from the military.
I don't think sending anyone to prison over the incident will make anyone feel better.
I do think the families of the victims are owed an official public apology from the US Air Force. I don't think that is asking too much.
I honestly think if the pilots dropped a bomb on US or British or Australian troops the public outcry would be the same.
In Toronto the friendly fire incident was in the news for a short time. I have not heard any news about it lately.
I would imagine the friendly fire incident would be headlining the Edmonton news to a greater extent because the troops that were bombed were from an Edmonton battalion.

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Reply to zpyrd

[-peep-] ME! My wife said it was on Fox News. There goes my credibility, I didn't realize I was watching a report from the worlds most sensationalized news agency. Oh, but there was still a protest march, with lots of people. I saw the footage. The numbers of Canadians in uproar were probably greatly distorted, I should probably change the title to "A few Canadian Buttholes".

Anyway, as to the rest of what you said, I just read that nigh vision goggles can make groundfire look like it's comming at you, is this possible? I mean, I studied physics, I've seen how an image can be distorted, but night vision goggles making it look like the stuff is comming towards you?

I'm a little skeptical about that, but it's in the report, and if true, could explain why someone would make such a mistake. But anyone in that possition should understand their equipment well enough to know that such visual anamolies are possible! I think when you combine inexperience, lack of communication, judgement affected by little sleep at various high altitudes and the use of amphetimines, these guys were in no position to be flying, let alone armed. There's going to be hell to pay for the people responsible for putting those pilots in that position. The pilots themselves were obviously confused and disoriented, and probably only 50% responsible for their actions, so a minimal prison sentence and a dishonorable discharge should do for them. As for their CO's, they have a lot to answer for!

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Reply to Crashman

well im sure if you were closely related to one of those what were killed you would be less than happy...
But unfortunately even in the most tech-advanced war accidents still happen

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Reply to lhgpoobaa

I think you've lost your argument in your first sentence.

"stupid friendly fire incident"? 4 people getting killed, unneccesarily, is NOT stupid, whether you're talking about the incident itself or people's reaction to it. Do you wonder that "Canada feels that the U.S. isn't taking this seriously"?

You're right, sh*t happens, but generally all people are looking for in something like this is just for those responsible to say "Ooops, sorry, our bad, we'll try and stop that happening again". Unfortunately, beauracracies in general (U.S., European, military, civilian, whatever) haven't got the hang of this yet, which gives those who just want to stir up bad feelings for no good reason the excuse they need to do their thing.

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Reply to mccoll1ns

Re pulling this thread, a quote from Voltaire: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

You can't argue someone out of a point of view if you don't let them air it in the first place. That's what makes life interesting!

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Reply to mccoll1ns

Read the second sentence then, and you'll see that I'm arguing against the notion that the only reason these Canadians died is because the U.S. didn't care about them, ie this only happened because of U.S. disregard for Canadian lives. I haven't heard any convincing argument that the notion they died because they were Canadian has any merit.

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Reply to Crashman

If the thread gets pulled it will probably be for inappropriate language, which I confess to.

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Reply to Crashman

Agreed. This is where people with a general anti U.S. attitude get busy by stirring things up.

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Reply to mccoll1ns

It's always nice to hear someone's opinion about global matters. I would rather have a debate rather than going to a protest and getting spitted or yelled at by the oposition.

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Reply to casiowatch

I totally agree.

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Reply to Crashman

I should have strengthened my statement that such people are buttholes by stating that they make their country look bad. Considering the news source I think the hatred towards Americans by Canadians over this incident may have been exagerated, as often happens with Fox News. But the fact remains that many people of the European Community feel the same way, like these guys "rode in like cowboys and killed everything in their path". Quite franky, most cowboys didn't even act anything like that, there were a few bank thieves and so forth in the Old West, but it's definately not the approach most Americans would take.

In fact, George Bush is not a typical American. And opposite in views of those Canadian protesters, maybe he personally didn't care. I mean, here we have a guy who is famous for putting mentally ill people who don't even realize they've committed a crime in the electric chair. A guy who's also known for killing kids, as in waiting for offenders who commited their crimes at a very young age (as low as 7 I think) to become "adults" and then putting them in the electric chair. A guy who thinks he can do anything he likes and cares about nobody. But that's not America. Most Americans are moderates. I think America is about 50% right leaning moderates, 40% left leaning moderates, and 10% true liberal and conservative extremist. Many of us, like ME, feel a very high sense of responsibility towards our power. Which is why each of us should take it as a personal insult when we the public are described as wreckless toward other people. We demand answers when the innocent die, yes, even innocent Iraquis and Afghanis. And when our government takes it upon themselves to excecute a military plan, we want to see surgical precision used to avoid "collateral damage".

I'm simply more VOCAL in my objections to being cast in a different light.

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Reply to Crashman

Friendly fire happens. I'm really sorry that it happens. It was an accident. People make mistakes and it's just something you have to accept. These are tough times.

I am shocked at the level this incident has taken though. No matter how stupid those pilots might have been, they didn't do it on purpose.

Sometimes it helps to flip the coin. If it were Canadians that killed Americans, how would Americans react? I don't really know.

Nonetheless, I think this has gotten bigger than it should have. I was in a car accident once where this idiot just slammed into me at a red light. I got very very angry and when the cop came he basically got pissed off at me for making such a big deal out of it. He said: "There's a reason they call these accidents! They're accidents!"


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Reply to dhlucke

Whats the big deal you sound so "American" so above it all. Our people just want a apology thats all. Your government with do a military tribunal and the responsible parties will be dealt with. But the fact your government hasnt apologized is the problem. You appologized when you bombed the chinese embassy but not to us?

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It was a morning news show, two days ago, I'll look around and see if they are still talking about it, probably not by now because it's now "old news". Maybe I should look it up on the net.

Wake up,it's been old news for close to a year now here in Canada,no one talks about that anymore.The big news right now is the Montreal Canadian coach being fired and the Ottawa Senators money problems.

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Reply to varlo

This government doesn't even appoligize to it's own citizens most of the time for the crap they do. Congratulations Canada, you're finally being treated like Americans.

You're posting in a forum with class. It may be third class, but it's still class!

Reply to Crashman

"In the nuclear age, the true ennemy is war itself"

Quote from movie "Crimsom tide"

You will never find anything positive about war! And if you do, you are part of the problem!

There are NO Afgans, NO Koreans, NO AlQuaida, NO CIA, NO Christians, NO Jews, NO Muslims, NO Blacks, NO Whites, NO Rich, NO Poor, NO Homosexuals ...

There are ONLY us, and we damn well better get our act together!

Peace
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Reply to pike

Amen

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Reply to mccoll1ns

War, uh, it's good for reducing unemployment and overpopulation. I don't support war, but I do believe the above to be true.

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Reply to Crashman

"reducing unemployment": is that for both sides

"overpopulation": I would say that MotherNature, in Her great wisdom, can take care of Her children by sorting out the ones she loves most with some desease or another. We need not worry about that.

"overpopulation": This is a misconception. It should be called the problem of "overconsumption" on a planetary scale.

peace
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Reply to pike

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Whats the big deal you sound so "American" so above it all. Our people just want a apology thats all.

Why should America apologize to Canada? Our government had no fault in this, is was those pilots. I feel sorry for those Canadiasn, but i am not going to apologize. The pilots should apologize. As for the chinese embassy bombing, that was a government error, so they damn well better apologize.

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Reply to casiowatch

But like I said your government apologized to the Chinese when they bombed that embassy with JEDAC smart bombs. The same smart bombs you accidentally dropped on those Canadian soldiers. If your boys cant read the HUD in their planes and listen to air traffic control then maybe there is more wrong with your military then your people would like to admit.

Like I said all we want is an apology. Your pilots represent your nation, as representatives of your nation; your "best of the best" should do their duty for their nation and keep good political and military activities with our nation. But hey China can come over here and whoop your ass maybe that’s why you choose not address our very small request.

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