WoW vs. EQ2

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I'm not trying to start a flamewar, guys. I'm simply looking at
which one I want to start playing over Winter Break, because I don't have
the time (nor money) to devote to both, so I want to pick one and stick
with it. That said, the general consensus from reviews is that WoW is a
better game. I played EverQuest 1 for awhile, and I eventually got bored
of it at level 52 and stopped playing. But at least I know what I'm
getting with that route. On the other hand, I've loved all of Blizzard's
games and I'm confident that they didn't mess it up with this one. So, now
I'm turning it over to the players ... which do you think is better, WoW or
EQ2, and why?

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"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
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> I'm not trying to start a flamewar, guys. I'm simply looking at
> which one I want to start playing over Winter Break,

Get WOW because you don't have to do grouping

-LTP

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"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
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> I'm not trying to start a flamewar, guys. I'm simply looking at
> which one I want to start playing over Winter Break, because I don't have
> the time (nor money) to devote to both, so I want to pick one and stick
> with it. That said, the general consensus from reviews is that WoW is a
> better game. I played EverQuest 1 for awhile, and I eventually got bored
> of it at level 52 and stopped playing. But at least I know what I'm
> getting with that route. On the other hand, I've loved all of Blizzard's
> games and I'm confident that they didn't mess it up with this one. So,
> now
> I'm turning it over to the players ... which do you think is better, WoW
> or
> EQ2, and why?
>
> --
> ~ Cyde Weys ~
> Sing me that sweet headcrab elegy.

I played EQ1 for almost 4 years and really enjoyed it for most of that time,
but in the end it started to feel more like work than a game. That will
give you an idea of where I'm coming from when I reply here.

They did a fantastic job with EQ2. Graphics are beautiful, the
interface/engine is fantastic (passive targetting is just the most wonderful
invention of all time, though it's not original to EQ2). The voice-overs
are nifty, though tedious after awhile (there are options to change that
though). The tactics and strategy of EQ1 carry over (not the same type, but
the presence of them) so it's a game for more serious players which is a
good thing since it reduces the number of idiots by a good amount.
Basically what I'm saying is that EQ2 is the game that I wish I had played
for the almost 4 years that I played EQ1. In the end though, after 3 weeks
or so of playing, I grew bored of it for the same reason I eventually grew
bored of EQ1. The fun factor wasn't there for me, and the work factor was.
Had I never played EQ1, or only played it for a short time though, I
probably would have loved EQ2 and been playing it for years before the
boredom factor started hitting.

World of Warcraft on the other hand is an immensly fun game. Highly
addicting and engaging. Some criticize the graphics for being "cartoony"
but in not trying to have a world that looks "real" as EQ2 does, it has a
great deal of style. And (this is ONLY a personal preference, not a
judgement) when I play a game I don't want to look into a window that shows
me a world I see day to day, I want to see a game, an unreal world that is
interesting looking to me. Each of the classes are like nine separate
games, they each play in different styles so much.

The quests pull you into the world and storyline quite nicely. Some will
say the quests hand you too much on a silver platter, but it's not all
mindless drivel, you do actually have to think and figure things out (or go
the typical MMO route and ask other people). As a comparison, in EQ2 you
may be given a quest to find a certain location or NPC in Antonica. This is
an absolutely ENORMOUS area (one you'd spend 10-20 or so in most likely if
that gives you any idea) and aside from the quest telling you that person or
place is in that zone, you don't get any more information. Now, you could
look up a map online, or read forums or ask players, but all of those
resources fall outside of the game itself. In WoW you'll be told to find
someone in a smaller area or perhaps be told that they are near a cave. Or
you'll be told to head to a certain town and given basic road directions.
The basic outline is given to you, but actually finding the place/person
still requires some thought. And there are also rewards for exploration
outside of what is given to you directly.

Anyway, all of that to say, your past experience sounds similar to mine, and
if so, I would suggest giving WoW a try. To me it's the perfect mix of
fast, fun gameplay and tactics and strategy and decent end game content. My
own opinion is that it falls somewhere nicely between City of Heroes and
Everquest.

Good gaming and good hunting, whichever game you eventually choose.


All statements in this post are purely opinion and are not meant to be taken
as judgements or meant to degrade those that feel otherwise. Other opinions
are welcome and encouraged, but flames and posts of the "you're a moron if
you think WoW is cool" flavor will be ignored.

Game on.

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>
> I have played EQ for over 5 years and may be dropping it for WoW. I
> absolutely love the feel of WoW. Anyone notice how certain zones just have
a
> "feel" to them? You go into Westfall and you can imagine being on a
drought
> blasted farm, go into the Dorf section of Stormwind and you can almost
smell
> the coal smoke of the forges. And here is a great little thing about WoW:
> the other night I clicked on the icon and in 42 seconds the game had
loaded,
> character had been selected and I was attacking a mob! I like being able
to
> log on and solo or duo w the Mrs. EQ had made me jaded, too many nights
> spending forever to get a group. EQ2 has crazy requirements (I play on my
> laptop). WoW so far is what I have been looking for.
>
>

The most visible change, when you go from a province to another one, is from
Westfall to Duskwood or Redridge Mountains to Duskwood.
Also, Loch Modan to Wetlands.

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I think the most telling phrase is "I eventually got bored of it...and
stopped playing." part of your EQ1 experience. I'm *not* an EQ player
(DAoC), so I'm not trying to convert you either way. If you liked WC
I-III, you will probably like WoW equally. If you got tired of EQ1, you
need to understand what in it made you that way, and does EQ2 avoid you
feeling that way again?


On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Cyde Weys wrote:

> I'm not trying to start a flamewar, guys. I'm simply looking at
> which one I want to start playing over Winter Break, because I don't have
> the time (nor money) to devote to both, so I want to pick one and stick
> with it. That said, the general consensus from reviews is that WoW is a
> better game. I played EverQuest 1 for awhile, and I eventually got bored
> of it at level 52 and stopped playing. But at least I know what I'm
> getting with that route. On the other hand, I've loved all of Blizzard's
> games and I'm confident that they didn't mess it up with this one. So, now
> I'm turning it over to the players ... which do you think is better, WoW or
> EQ2, and why?
>
> --
> ~ Cyde Weys ~
> Sing me that sweet headcrab elegy.
>

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"Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
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> I just went to the mall to try to pick up WoW ... both stores I checked
had
> plenty of copies of EQ2 left, but were sold out of WoW. That should tell
> you something :-/
>
Yep..it's a marketing ploy by Blizzard to make it look like WoW is more
popular

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42 wrote:
> In article <JLqdncQcd-zef1rcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
> NOSPAM_Lin_mukai@comcast.net says...
>
>
>>In EQ I think I liked the 50's the least of any level range although at
>>mid 50's I found that I could handle tier one Planes and my first
>>experiences there were fun. But in the end at those levels people just
>>camp near the zone entrances and single pull mobs and it gets old fast.
>
>
> There were Torigans Mines, Dulak Caves, Old Sebilis, Howling Stones,
> Chardok, Nurga, SolB Giants, The Grey, Greigs End, Kedge Keep, Karnor's
> Castle, Acrylia Caverns, The Hole, Natimbi.. and I haven't even
> mentioned a Velious zone yet...and there are half a dozen there... the
> list of good zones at 50-60 is huge...
>
> Complaining about the 50s because you sat at the entrance to PoP is
> ridiculous. Its like spending your 40s at the entrance to Karnor's
> castle, the 30s at the entrance to City of Mist, etc...
>
> You can spend all your time in the game playing at the entrance to a
> zone higher level than you... or you can play the whole game deep in
> level appropriate zones doing challenging and interesting things.
>
> It sounds like you really missed out on the 50s.
>
>
>>But I am finding the 60's to be much more fun again with lots of cool
>>places to go and more interesting and challenging fights to be had.
>
>
> There was much to do in the 50s too... but it looks like you got hung up
> on getting to the 60s instead of enjoying what there was that you could
> do in the 50s.

Maybe you are right about that. This was my first and main character I
was speaking of. My new alts I will be playing soon are all babies and I
will have learned from the experiences of my first character.

I did get keyed for Old Sebilis and Howling Stones but I couldn't get
people to go in either of the guilds I've been in. Actually, we did do
Old Sebilis once and I thought it was a blast. When I bring up my
Enchanter, there is place I'd love to play him. There were tons of mobs
there and it was aggro city. We had a blast and we didn't wipe but it
was intense. Maybe there was some stuff like that I missed.

I did go through Torigans Mines all night one time hunting for a drop a
Beastlord friend was after for a spell. That was fun. And I did go a
couple of times into the Dulak caves but didn't spend too much time in
there as groups I was in fell apart and never got back to it.

I spent some nights on the ships in Dulak too and had a good time there.
I liked that zone.

I did see Chardok several times, once for my own epic and other times
for other people's, not just clerics.

I did plenty of time at GE and it was fun, but I hated the trains to
zone. The first times I went there my groups kept wiping just trying to
make our way into the zone with all the trains there. But eventually I
got to spend time inside and it was fun for a time.

I did the Solb Giants and raided Naggy successfully. That was very cool.

I did spend some time in Velious including doing the Coldain Ring War
event one night with a large group of people.

I don't think I did go to Kedge Keep or Karnor's Castle. I also didn't
see Acrylia Caverns or The Grey.

I have been to the Hole twice for people doing epics and it was fun to see.

And I have spent more time than I want to admit to in Natimbi soloing in
pursuit of the elusive Talisman of the Spiritseer. Talk about a rare
drop! I've killed hundreds of mobs there I think and have not seen one
since the first time I went and it dropped in an hour but I rolled a
16... /cry

I guess now that I think about it, I had a lot of fun in the 50's too.
Maybe it was just the last few levels when I was guilty of grinding in
PoV, PoN, PoI, etc. in pursuit of 60 and then eager to get to 62 for
Virtue that I burned out a little.

I do plan to make a point of looking for zones I've not seen before when
I am playing my alts, which include a warrior, beastlord, druid and
enchanter. And I hope that at 65 I haven't outgrown Howling Stones. I
really wanted to go there and see the place. Although if I have, I
certainly have plenty more chances with my other toons.

I didn't mean to imply that I spent all of my 50's camped at the
entrance to a few Planes zones but maybe it sounded that way. I actually
saw and did a lot and it was fun. Your post brings to light though that
the least fun was at the some of the Planes zone entrances single
pulling or camping a PoV wall for hours and that's what I was
remembering as not being such a great time. There are times when I've
fallen into the trap of grinding because I really wanted that next great
set of spells or to be able to go to a certain place. But for the most
part I've tried to see a lot and enjoy the ride. It's quite an
experience going from level 1 to 65 with your first character and you
certainly learn a lot along the way.

I'm glad EQ lets you have up to eight characters on a server as I really
want to experience a lot of the other classes too. I like my cleric a
lot but just playing my Druid to 11 I couldn't get over how different
the game seemed to me with a completely new set of skills and abilities
to work with. Soloing in CB with him is such a blast. I get such a kick
out of little things like moving in on several orcs, casting harmony on
them, nuking one to pull him and then fighting him, etc. Healing myself
after and then going for the next one. I'm looking forward to learning
to kite with him and later to quad kite. That must be great.

Having solo'd my cleric and maxed his offense, defense and 1hb I learned
I like melee, as much as he can anyway. Today in Gloomingdeep I killed
two Kobold Warriors with my new Ogre Warrior and when I was done I still
had something like 75% health. Wow! He's only level 3 but you know, he's
fun already. Crowd control with my chanter is something else I look
forward to. That must be exciting at times when the situation gets crazy
with adds. And being a Vah Shir Beastlord (yeah, I know, too many VS
Beasties out there but I like them and their warders) who can solo and
has that awesome warder is going to be a blast too.

EQ is so much fun I think. I know there are newer games that also have a
lot to offer but that doesn't diminish for me the fact the EverQuest is
an excellent game and one that I find to be the most fun I have ever had
with my PC. And as I mentioned elsewhere in some other post, I've been
playing PC games since I was running Flight Simulator on a PC-XT with a
hercules graphics adapter and a monochrome monitor that I think was 12".

With this history of gaming I am really awestruck at the world of
Norrath and all there is to do and see in it. I hope to be playing for a
long time and I'm glad I picked Stromm server because it seems to be
doing very well even with the new releases that are out.

I wonder what Morden Rasp is like and how things are going there. I was
thinking of rolling maybe a Shammy or Necro there just to check it out
and try those classes as well. I also have long wanted to try out
playing on FV and think I'd go with a High Elf or perhaps a Gnome Mage
there.

Sorry, I guess I wandered well off topic there but talking about this
brings to mind how much I love this game and I wouldn't want to give the
impression that I don't over grinding a few levels in the 50's. In a
year of playing EQ it is easy to see why it was number one for as long
as it was.


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On 22 Dec 2004 03:22:03 GMT, Sean Kennedy <x@y.z> wrote:

>Only that WoW had a record setting launch. As much as I like
>WoW, I don't think that says anything about about the two games,
>more about the marketing ability of the two companies.

Blizzard has a reputation that SOE is never going to have. This is why
WoW sold better. Other then that point, I agree with you, it says
nothing about the games themselves.

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Sean Kennedy wrote:
> Cyde Weys <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in
> news:Xns95C6C892F59252galopagosterrapincy@199.45.49.11:
>
>> I just went to the mall to try to pick up WoW ... both stores I
>> checked had plenty of copies of EQ2 left, but were sold out of WoW.
>> That should tell you something :-/
>>
>
> Only that WoW had a record setting launch. As much as I like
> WoW, I don't think that says anything about about the two games,
> more about the marketing ability of the two companies.


I disagree--I think it says a *lot* about the games.

I wonder how many more out there are like me--people who'd never played a
Warcraft game (or very little), who'd never so much as looked at the WoW web
page, pre-launch, and who'd pretty much made up their mind to never touch
the game . . .

.. . . then picked up EQ2, played and enjoyed it yet found themselves
becoming more restless, not from any one glaring thing, but an ever-filling
box of a variety of aggravations from across the spectrum . . .

.. . . and then who finally, after becoming more and more intrigued by WoW's
"wows", bought a copy, quickly discovered why all the "wows", and then
cancelled their EQ2 subscription.

If there was no WoW I would still (more or less) be happily playing EQ2.

At least in my case it was the WoW *game* that grabbed me, not Blizzard's
marketing.
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In alt.games.warcraft chainbreaker <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> I disagree--I think it says a *lot* about the games.
>
> I wonder how many more out there are like me--people who'd never played a
> Warcraft game (or very little), who'd never so much as looked at the WoW web
> page, pre-launch, and who'd pretty much made up their mind to never touch
> the game . . .
>
> . . . then picked up EQ2, played and enjoyed it yet found themselves
> becoming more restless, not from any one glaring thing, but an ever-filling
> box of a variety of aggravations from across the spectrum . . .
>
> . . . and then who finally, after becoming more and more intrigued by WoW's
> "wows", bought a copy, quickly discovered why all the "wows", and then
> cancelled their EQ2 subscription.
>

Bingo! You described me to a tee. My only gripe to date about Wow is
the horrific patch download.

> If there was no WoW I would still (more or less) be happily playing EQ2.
>

I probably would too ... but I surely would get frustrated and then
board with it and probably drop it anyway after giving them all of $15.

> At least in my case it was the WoW *game* that grabbed me, not Blizzard's
> marketing.

I only found out about WoW when reading these groups and started
checking out some websites and online retailers like Amazon. Then, I
headed over to circuit city and asked a few people browsing the games
what they thought. I actually got answers and it was overwhelmingly, "I
just cancelled my EQ2 account" and about half of those said "I am
getting WoW". What the other half are going to do in the meantime? I
don't know, work, play with family or maybe play EQ1. I think Sony made
some fundamental flaws in that game, that make it really only appeal to
EQ1 diehards. Certainly, all the newbies I see seem to pick Wow.

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David Hall <davehall@u.washington.edu> wrote in
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>
> I think the most telling phrase is "I eventually got bored of it...and
> stopped playing." part of your EQ1 experience. I'm *not* an EQ player
> (DAoC), so I'm not trying to convert you either way. If you liked WC
> I-III, you will probably like WoW equally. If you got tired of EQ1,
> you need to understand what in it made you that way, and does EQ2
> avoid you feeling that way again?

To be honest, I have heard the "I eventually got bored with it" phrase
regarding DAoC a lot more than EQ. I know a fair number of folks that left
EQ for DAoC only to come back 2 to 4 months later.

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In article <yG3yd.83773$K7.54850@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
lambchop@whocareswhere.com says...
>
> "Cyde Weys" <cyde@umd.edu> wrote in message
> news:Xns95C6C892F59252galopagosterrapincy@199.45.49.11...
> > I just went to the mall to try to pick up WoW ... both stores I checked
> had
> > plenty of copies of EQ2 left, but were sold out of WoW. That should tell
> > you something :-/
> >
> Yep..it's a marketing ploy by Blizzard to make it look like WoW is more
> popular

Like a nightclub that keeps a long line up going even if they aren't
remotely full inside.

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"Michael" <NOSPAM_Lin_mukai@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Mike S. wrote:
> > On 22 Dec 2004 03:22:03 GMT, Sean Kennedy <x@y.z> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Only that WoW had a record setting launch. As much as I like
> >>WoW, I don't think that says anything about about the two games,
> >>more about the marketing ability of the two companies.
> >
> >
> > Blizzard has a reputation that SOE is never going to have. This is why
> > WoW sold better. Other then that point, I agree with you, it says
> > nothing about the games themselves.
>
> I think that in addition to those points the fact that the gaming press
> online and in print has consistently hailed WoW as the state of the art
> in MMORPGs has helped sales too. When I was reading the Best of the Year
> feature on Gamespot and came to the MMORPGs section of it I knew before
> clicking the link who the winner was.

It also won Game of the Year on Gamespot as well, iirc - beating HL2, Doom3,
Pirates!, etc, etc.
Whatever that's worth.

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Simond
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slave." - Jareth the Goblin King, Labyrinth

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Jim V. <Jim_V@NOSPAMsocal.rr.REMOVETHIScom> wrote:
>You level slow in EQ2, and fast in WoW.

I've seen this stated a number of times. Is there non-level advancement in
WoW that goes slowly (equipment, skills, faction, etc), or is it basically a
fast game?

If it's really all that fast, are there people who've maxxed out already? Can
I start a character in March and be ready for high-end content with friends
who've been playing for 4 months in a few dozen hours of mad levelling?

>WoW is the easier game that holds your hand in most of the quests.
>WoW has lots of farmers/power levelers.

If the game is so easy, how can farming/powerlevelling matter?
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