Bowling for Columbine

yeah.it's a brilliant film.informative, scary and hilarious at the same time.
That guy who was involved with Timothy McVeigh but not convicted was crazy-classic line:'There are wackos out there!'LOL.

no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. :]

that guy in the michigan militia who said he keeps an M16 for 'home protection'!they also said that they were, and i quote, 'not militant'-they are a militia for God's sake!!!How can they not be militant?!

no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. :]

even if you hit the burglar or whoever with every bullet from your M16, chances are they will go right through him and out into the street.

no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. :]

I have nothing against Americans, its just that I don't understand why they have this burning NEED to own assault weapons and/or keep loaded .44 revolvers under their pillows!! No matter how much you argue this point, hand gun or rifle murders ARE directly related to this law...
In the documentary, Micheal Moore (the producer) compares murder rates between different countries, and of all the countries involved, Canada, Germany, UK, Japan...the murder rate never exceeded 200...some weren't even close to a 100 (Yearly rate) but the US had over 11000!!
I also laughed when some Americans were saying that people from other countries don't watch as much violent movies, tv, video games...that just bullsh*t!! We watch just as much as the Americans...we get just as pissed off at our neighbours, we get just as pissed off at other students at school...but we DON'T feel the need to pop a cap from a 9 mil in their ass!! Why do Americans? I'm a little curious about this...so if any Americans could enlighten me, then it might help me better understand you...

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I got the same question. WTF does Americans have with guns?

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First off, don't let Mr Moore give you the wrong impression. That guy is pretty biased. I have a lot of friends who own weapons, but they all use them to hunt, have them locked up, and none of them are assault weapons.

I've never even fired a gun.

A few hundred americans killing people with assault weapons should not reflect upon all 280M of us. Nonetheless, I think it would be nice if we got rid of those weapons.

Why are our gun rights important to you?

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Because I'm also an American, because the US has lots of pretty popular vacation spots, because it is very easy for Americans to cross into Canada with a weapon, I also have friends and relatives in the US...
In the documentary, Micheal is going around various
Canadian cities asking when the last time a shooting (murder) happened? And in Windsor (right across from Detroit) the only murder that had happened in the last few years was because of an American who had crossed into Canada and then shot and killed somebody...those are a few reasons why I'm concerned...
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the Americans, they are pretty down right nice people in general...but I find they're a bit to quick in resorting to violence when things don't go their way...

"Hey!! Who's that hiding behind the bush??!...Well Wingding of course!"

I believe that the US' biggest weakness is their media.
People like interesting stories and sadly, violent ones are usually the most interesting ones for alot of people...
Add this with international broadcasting and the media makes the US seem like a pretty nasty place to live in even though crime rates are declining...go figure!!

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Well, I don't know you personally, but I stand by my argument.

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I believe he is in Canada currently.

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Ahhh... alright then. The point I was going to make, but now really cannot, is that people in the US have varying opinions about guns depending on their state. Take for example, MN. Here, we are sportsmen (and women) first. Therefore, guns are important, but not for protection. For us, they are a way to put food on the table, to compete against others, and something that is used in a responsible manner. We don't allow people to carry loaded weapons concealed, unlike other states. We have rifles, shotguns, and hunting pistols (mainly used by those brave/insane souls who bowhunt bear as a backup). So, here at college, where there is at least 1 out of state student for every MN student, I get a lot of, why do you guys need guns, or, aren't all hunters freaky gun nuts who would just as soon shoot a person as a deer? From my experience, those with the lowest opinion of gun owners come from So. Cal, where they wouldn't know what a deer was if it bit them in the ass.

Personally, I don't hunt. Never saw the reason to. I am a fisherman, though, so I commiserate with hunters when people, especially groups like PETA, demand that we stop fishing and hunting. Hence the reason MN voters passed a constitutional amendment that promises the right to responsible hunting and fishing in the state. So, while I many not expressly condone the use of firearms, I do belive that every citizen should be allowed to own one, if they so chose, and can demonstrate that they use it in a responsible, levelheaded manner.

I don't support most NRA opinions, and I don't think the second amendment allows for every citizen to have a gun, unless they are a member of the state millita (something that no longer exists, due to the nationalization of the armed forces). But, that doesn't mean we need to ban all guns (though, I do see little value in handguns).

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ive recently read the book stupid white men... and it has alot of disturbing things in it.

i imagine that movie is much the same.
apparently canadians also have lots of guns, but they dont shoot eachother nearly as much.


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It is true Canadians own many guns. About one in ten Canadians own a firearm. 99% of Canadians who own firearms are used for hunting or target competition. Canadians can legally own nonrestricted firearms such as bolt, lever, pump and semiautomatic long guns and shot guns. We can also own restricted weapons such as revolvers and pistols. We can not own prohibited weapons such as fully automatic long guns, assult rifles and pistols such a .25cal. (too easy to conceal a .25cal pistol)
Few Canadians know that we have the constitutional right to own a firearm. The law dates back to when we were a British Colony and it was passed during the War of 1812.
Although unlike Americans, Canadians have to pass a competency exam to possess and purchase non restricted and restricted weapons. We also can not have any criminal record in Canada or internationally. That includes misdemeanor offences. As well you must be mentally fit.
When you apply to get a Firearm Acquisition Licence or Possession Licence you have to pass the Firearm Competency Exam, not have a criminal record and not have a mental illness record.
From start to finish it takes about six months to get an Acquisition or Possession Licence.
I first got my Firearm Acquisition Certificate when I was 19. It cost $10 and took 3 days for my local police station sargent to process the paper work. When I was 28 after already owning a firearm the Government made me take a competency exam just to keep what I already had owned. To take the Exam and renew my licence it cost $200.
The last time I renewed my licence it cost $60 plus another $10 for a passport photo to be scanned onto my Licence card.
And it took four months from the time I sent in my renewal application until I received my new licence card.
Yes Canadians have the right to own a firearm just like Americans do. Except the Canadian Government ties up the acquisition process with exessive amouts of red tape and doesn't allow criminals and mentally ill people to own a firearm. Plus its costly and it takes a considerable amount of time.
I only own a single firearm. Its a classic Remington semiautomatic .22cal rifle. Its a beauty. I can nail a bumble bee sitting on a daisy at 25 metres with it.
I am allowed to acquire and possess nonrestricted and restricted firearms. I have thought about getting a pistol but its just too cost prohibitive because I would have to be a member of firearm club. They're very expensive to join. I could buy a pistol for $400. Join a gun club and pay $500 to $1000 annually and then I would need to have a special gun safe in my house to store the pistol. Then I would have to have special papers to transport the pistol from my home to the gun club. The pistol has to be bullistics tested by the police as well as registered with a special serial number.
Just like an American I have the right to own a firearm. But the government makes it extreemly difficult for me to assert that right.
I'm not complaining about it because it does make getting an illegal firearm more difficult in Canada. It has reduced the number of felony crimes involving firearms. 80% of Canadian crime involving a firearm is domestic abuse calls.
For instance if the police are called to investigate a domestic argument and one of persons involved in the argument has a Firearm Licence the domestic call by the police is written up as firearm offense even if the firearm wasn't involved in the domestic action. Even if the firearm is locked up in a safe in another location it is still written up as a firearm offense because a person has access to firearm. It doesn't seem right. But it does get the guns away from potential abusers.
In Canada you have to be a civil, law abiding individual to own a gun.

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Now that are gunlaws I like.

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No svol. What you have to understand is that in North America, firearms are a different animal in the public's eye unlike in Europe. In N. America, it is all about hunting and sportsmanship. In Europe, I get the impression that firearms as seen as something that criminals or the military use, not the public. We hunt here, we still have animals to hunt (if I ever see another deer walking through my suburban neighborhood without a care in the world, ignoring cars, people, and dogs, it will be too soon), and many of us enjoy the taste of game animals. Venison (what comes from a deer, elk, and the like) is so unlike anything you could get in a supermarket. It's great stuff.

The reason why a misdomener is a bad cut off point is that anything beyond a traffic offense is at least a misdomener. Even exessive speeding is a misdomener. Trespassing, driving without proof of insurance, and other mundane things that do not reflect on the ability of a person to own a firearm could make it so that they never again could hunt. Stealing a candy bar when you were 13 could affect you when you are 36 and wanting to start hunting. It's not good practice. Gross misdomeners are probably a better cut off point, with certain misdomeners maybe carrying a 5 year period where you couldn't get own a gun.

But I digress. This point is that here, especially in the Northern states, the Midwest, the South, the Rockies, and the Northwest, there are a lot of people who hunt. Minnesota and Wisconson probably have two of the highest number of hunters per 1000 people.

And contrary to worldwide belief, the US does have many gun control laws. The problem is enforcement (where I agree with the NRA, not more laws, but better enforcement is needed). Where I stop agreeing with the NRA is that I think <i>anyone</i> who wants to sell a gun should have to run the nessecary background checks and abide by the waiting period, not just licencsed dealers (right now, the biggest loophole is at gunshows, where even licensed dealers don't need to run those checks. That's where the Columbine duo got their guns, if I remember correctly). If that was enforced on all purchaces, along with the registering of a serial number in a database, we would be near the same level as Canada, though we probably wouldn't require people to be enrolled in a gun club to own a pistol.

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You could get that stricken from your record when you're 18.

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In the US it's legal to get married at 17, but I'm not sure about sex while married at 17. Otherwise you have to be 18.

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Well I don't like hunting and guns so I wont give a hoot if only 0.00001% of the population would be able to get a gun legal. But that is just my opinion.

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I didn't know there was a law for sex under a certain age in Holland... but now I see what the age is (12) I can see why no-one gets to hear this at school when they are 13-14.

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