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April 28, 2005 12:34:08 PM

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Hi
Yesterday I had a signal for an automatic update download and install. The
process proceeded to shutdown and restart at which time I noticed that the
update symbol was still in the tray and when selected notified that updates
where ready for installation. When I selected install the installation was
shown as a failure to install; when I checked the installation history screen
it showed a success for the first installation but a failure for all
subsequent tries. The machine has been shutdown over night but the update
symbol is still active in the tray. How do I remove/shutdown this process?
Thanks.
April 28, 2005 4:21:00 PM

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In news:D 858CA8E-822B-48A6-A3A8-7301975C899F@microsoft.com,
firewire <firewire@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Hi
> Yesterday I had a signal for an automatic update download and
> install. The process proceeded to shutdown and restart at which time
> I noticed that the update symbol was still in the tray and when
> selected notified that updates where ready for installation. When I
> selected install the installation was shown as a failure to install;
> when I checked the installation history screen it showed a success
> for the first installation but a failure for all subsequent tries.
> The machine has been shutdown over night but the update symbol is
> still active in the tray. How do I remove/shutdown this process?
> Thanks.

I've had this happen here and I don't know if this will work for you or not
but it's worth a shot. When there's a glitch in the automatic updates
feature I take a quick trip over to the Windows update site. You can get
there by clicking Tools > Windows Update in Internet Explorer by the way.
When I went there and let it scan the Automatic Update notification in the
system tray disappeared. It's a good idea to go there anyhow as the
automatic updates only provides updates with a rating of critical and there
may be other updates there that you'd like as well.

Galen
--

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes
April 29, 2005 7:38:13 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain (More info?)

Hi
Thanks for the info. I have a further question concerning your statement:
"It's a good idea to go there anyhow as the
> automatic updates only provides updates with a rating of critical and there
> may be other updates there that you'd like as well." The updates that are the subject of this message were: both NVIDIA, one for the audio codec and one for the audio processing unit; would these be considered critical? In the past updates that were downloaded stated that they were critical where as these did not. All very confussing. Thanks.
>


"Galen" wrote:

> In news:D 858CA8E-822B-48A6-A3A8-7301975C899F@microsoft.com,
> firewire <firewire@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
> > Hi
> > Yesterday I had a signal for an automatic update download and
> > install. The process proceeded to shutdown and restart at which time
> > I noticed that the update symbol was still in the tray and when
> > selected notified that updates where ready for installation. When I
> > selected install the installation was shown as a failure to install;
> > when I checked the installation history screen it showed a success
> > for the first installation but a failure for all subsequent tries.
> > The machine has been shutdown over night but the update symbol is
> > still active in the tray. How do I remove/shutdown this process?
> > Thanks.
>
> I've had this happen here and I don't know if this will work for you or not
> but it's worth a shot. When there's a glitch in the automatic updates
> feature I take a quick trip over to the Windows update site. You can get
> there by clicking Tools > Windows Update in Internet Explorer by the way.
> When I went there and let it scan the Automatic Update notification in the
> system tray disappeared. It's a good idea to go there anyhow as the
> automatic updates only provides updates with a rating of critical and there
> may be other updates there that you'd like as well.
>
> Galen
> --
>
> "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
> the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
> in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
> stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
> mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes
>
>
>
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April 29, 2005 11:28:59 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain (More info?)

In news:93EE99D5-0F3D-42AC-9C3E-87DFD9C2B0DC@microsoft.com,
firewire <firewire@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Hi
> Thanks for the info. I have a further question concerning your
> statement: "It's a good idea to go there anyhow as the
>> automatic updates only provides updates with a rating of critical
>> and there
>> may be other updates there that you'd like as well." The updates
>> that are the subject of this message were: both NVIDIA, one for the
>> audio codec and one for the audio processing unit; would these be
>> considered critical? In the past updates that were downloaded stated
>> that they were critical where as these did not. All very confussing.
>> Thanks.

Critical, for the most part, means that it's absolutely essential to the
continued functioning of your PC safely and without problems to download and
install the patches. Something like codec problems or an updated driver
aren't considered critical as the PC will run (perhaps in a limited
function) without compromise to your data's safety or your computer's
stability. Something like that at any rate.

Here's the kicker... This is the bit that I don't actually get entirely.
Sometimes Automatic Updates will retrieve driver updates which wouldn't,
when you go to the automatic update site, be considered critical. I say
sometimes because there's been times in the past where it didn't provide me
with updates. Perhaps these two updates for your hardware were considered
important enough? The referrences to this are pretty vague. Here's a quote
from Kelly's site.

"Automatic Update checks the Windows Update Web site for critical updates
and automates the process of downloading and installing the critical
updates. If updates are not available, this feature is reset, and then it
checks again in 24 hours for any new updates after the Internet connection
is established. If a download operation is interrupted, this feature resumes
at a later time when the Internet connection is re-established."

From: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_update.htm

So, maybe these updates were considered critical though I'm not really sure
why they would be. Did you take a trip to the website itself and do the
updates? Did this process work and is everything back to normal again?

Galen
--

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes
April 30, 2005 2:28:02 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain (More info?)

Hi
Thanks for the information. The unusual part of this episode is that the
first go around was successful (and appears so in the history record) but
when the update process occured the second time it failed. By the way, when I
checked the update log I found something interesting; it only goes up to
2004, whats going on here? I deselected the automatic update to: " download
and notify me" and the next reboot the update sheld was no longer there. I
don't no for sure but I think that the update was not actually "critical" but
rather a fluke in the system; which does not happen that often. Thanks.

"Galen" wrote:

> In news:93EE99D5-0F3D-42AC-9C3E-87DFD9C2B0DC@microsoft.com,
> firewire <firewire@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
> > Hi
> > Thanks for the info. I have a further question concerning your
> > statement: "It's a good idea to go there anyhow as the
> >> automatic updates only provides updates with a rating of critical
> >> and there
> >> may be other updates there that you'd like as well." The updates
> >> that are the subject of this message were: both NVIDIA, one for the
> >> audio codec and one for the audio processing unit; would these be
> >> considered critical? In the past updates that were downloaded stated
> >> that they were critical where as these did not. All very confussing.
> >> Thanks.
>
> Critical, for the most part, means that it's absolutely essential to the
> continued functioning of your PC safely and without problems to download and
> install the patches. Something like codec problems or an updated driver
> aren't considered critical as the PC will run (perhaps in a limited
> function) without compromise to your data's safety or your computer's
> stability. Something like that at any rate.
>
> Here's the kicker... This is the bit that I don't actually get entirely.
> Sometimes Automatic Updates will retrieve driver updates which wouldn't,
> when you go to the automatic update site, be considered critical. I say
> sometimes because there's been times in the past where it didn't provide me
> with updates. Perhaps these two updates for your hardware were considered
> important enough? The referrences to this are pretty vague. Here's a quote
> from Kelly's site.
>
> "Automatic Update checks the Windows Update Web site for critical updates
> and automates the process of downloading and installing the critical
> updates. If updates are not available, this feature is reset, and then it
> checks again in 24 hours for any new updates after the Internet connection
> is established. If a download operation is interrupted, this feature resumes
> at a later time when the Internet connection is re-established."
>
> From: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_update.htm
>
> So, maybe these updates were considered critical though I'm not really sure
> why they would be. Did you take a trip to the website itself and do the
> updates? Did this process work and is everything back to normal again?
>
> Galen
> --
>
> "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
> the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
> in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
> stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
> mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes
>
>
>
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