Angle of antenna? Make any difference?

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Hi folks,

Having problems with wireless signal from a LINKSYS wireless router.
Got it located in a bedroom on middle floor of a three floor house.
Signal strength is poor/negligible donwstairs in the living room. I saw
a couple of suggestions whilst browsing google groups to move the
antennae on the router.

Does this actually make any difference? Should I have 1 vertical and 1
horizontal as one poster suggested?

Why are there 2 aerials anyway?

Thanks for any help.

Joe
 
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yeah it sure can make a difference.

to tune the antennas i sit one computer where the signal isnt go great.. and
transfer a large file (like 1gig) in something I can monitor the throughput
with, to that computer. and I watch the throughput while playing with the
antennas till i get it as fast as it'll go.


"Jo" <tarnishedjoe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi folks,
>
> Having problems with wireless signal from a LINKSYS wireless router.
> Got it located in a bedroom on middle floor of a three floor house.
> Signal strength is poor/negligible donwstairs in the living room. I saw
> a couple of suggestions whilst browsing google groups to move the
> antennae on the router.
>
> Does this actually make any difference? Should I have 1 vertical and 1
> horizontal as one poster suggested?
>
> Why are there 2 aerials anyway?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Joe
>
 
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Jo wrote:

> Having problems with wireless signal from a LINKSYS wireless router.
> Got it located in a bedroom on middle floor of a three floor house.
> Signal strength is poor/negligible donwstairs in the living room. I saw
> a couple of suggestions whilst browsing google groups to move the
> antennae on the router.

Have you tried/considered one of the third party firmwares for your
device, if available? The hardcoded power output in the default linksys
firmware on mine is 28mw but the AP is capable of putting out over 100mw
with other firmware builds.

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Joe:

The placement of your AP is what counts. Your house may have some odd
steel or concrete that may be blocking your signal. It's mainly a trial
and error thing at this point.

That being said, I would look at the third-party firmware mentioned
before.

Additionally, ALWAYS keep the antennae pointed the same direction. By
moving an antenna 90 degrees, you change it's polarity, and decrease
your signal even more.

Chris
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Jo wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Having problems with wireless signal from a LINKSYS wireless router.
> Got it located in a bedroom on middle floor of a three floor house.
> Signal strength is poor/negligible donwstairs in the living room. I saw
> a couple of suggestions whilst browsing google groups to move the
> antennae on the router.
>
> Does this actually make any difference? Should I have 1 vertical and 1
> horizontal as one poster suggested?
>
> Why are there 2 aerials anyway?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Joe

Only one antenna is used to transmit. Both are used to receive: the router
compares signal strength from each antenna and uses the stronger of the
two. Might even be smart enough to properly combine the two for maximum,
but I doubt it. In any event, adjusting antenna orientation may help.

Changing the router position - even by a few inches - may help as well.

Radio energy at these frequencies bounces off obstacles and often
re-combines with itself to produce local hot or deadspots. It would be
dandy to have magic goggles that could display field strength. Maybe Jeff
will loan you his.

Roby
 
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Roby <roby@no-address.net> wrote:
>Jo wrote:
>> Having problems with wireless signal from a LINKSYS wireless router.
....
>> Why are there 2 aerials anyway?
>
>Only one antenna is used to transmit. Both are used to receive: the router
>compares signal strength from each antenna and uses the stronger of the
>two. Might even be smart enough to properly combine the two for maximum,
>but I doubt it. In any event, adjusting antenna orientation may help.

It switches between the two antennas for both transmit and
receive. An inherent problem exists because the received signal
strength is used to determine which antenna is selected, and
that may not be the best antenna for the next transmission.
In receive mode the radio periodically switches antennas to
determine if there is a better received signal. The next
transmission, even if it is to a different client, will be
on the last antenna selected for a good received signal.

One example that demonstrates the potential problem, would be if
two highly directional antennas are used, one pointed North and
one pointed South, to two different clients. If the last
received signal is from Client North and the next transmission
goes to Client South... the data packets sent to Client South
will not be received until Client South, for whatever unrelated
reason, happens to make a transmission (which will cause the
receiver to lock onto the South antenna for the next
transmission).

Such a system will work very well for periods of time (while all
data goes to one of the two clients), and will have dropouts and
long delays at other times (any time data is being sent to both
clients).

A couple of conclusions about wireless network topology and
configuration can be drawn from the above. One is that if there
are multiple clients, the two antennas should be identical.
Another is that if there is only one client (e.g., a roving
laptop at home), then there could be two very different antennas
to provide coverage in two very distinct areas of the house.

Changing the orientation of the antennas probably amounts to
having two very distinct antennas, because the difference
between horizontal and vertical polarization can be much more
than 25 dB of signal strength (which is a *lot*). But, by the
same token... in most locations there are so many objects which
reflect 2.4GHz signals that the actual difference between
horizontal and vertically polarized signals by the time they get
from the transmitter to the receiver is probably less than 6 dB.
And that means having one antenna vertical and the other
horizontal might actually provide just about the same benefits
as having them separated by 6 inches! Don't do that with a
point-to-point link, but it is worth trying in a home or office
setting.

>Changing the router position - even by a few inches - may help as well.

>Radio energy at these frequencies bounces off obstacles and often
>re-combines with itself to produce local hot or deadspots. It would be
>dandy to have magic goggles that could display field strength. Maybe Jeff
>will loan you his.

All one has to do is try it, and use software that shows signal
strength. Just keep in mind that it takes 20-40 seconds for the
effects to register because the radio reports a running average
rather than an instantaneous signal level.

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:22:07 -0400, Roby <roby@no-address.net> wrote:

>Only one antenna is used to transmit. Both are used to receive: the router
>compares signal strength from each antenna and uses the stronger of the
>two.

Wrong. There were some early wireless access points that did this,
but they are long gone. These days, both antennas do transmit and
receive. Search Google Groups in this newsgroups for "diversity
receive reception" for some long detailed guesswork I posted on the
topic.

>Might even be smart enough to properly combine the two for maximum,
>but I doubt it.

Wrong. Since both antennas are *SWITCHED* for diversity receive, only
one is on at a time. Combining these doesn't result in any tx power
increase or rx receiver gain. If it did, you would certainly see
commerical products offering such an arrangement.

>It would be
>dandy to have magic goggles that could display field strength.

Funny you should mention that. That has been something I've always
wanted to do. It was going to be an RF sensitive "eyeball" that would
allow me to see RF flowing in circuitry. We'll, there's a small
problem. The receptors in your eyeballs are about 1000 wavelengths of
light across. The equivalent eyeball that works at 2.4Ghz would be
about 125 meters across for each sensor. That would be one huge
eyeball. Another way of looking at it is if it could be built with
the same scale as a human eye, then the ratio of wavelengths would be
the same.
12.5cm (2.4GHz) / 700nm (light) = 180,000 times as large,
resulting in one HUGE eyeball. I don't think so...

>Maybe Jeff
>will loan you his.

Sorry. My venture capital funding for my microwave eyeball project
ran out.

>Roby

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