EQ1 - XP penalty after 65?

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I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65
because of an XP penalty in place somewhere between the two levels.
Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
couldn't recall what level it was implemented.

So, 2 questions:

1) is this true?

2) if so, what level is it implemented?

Thanks.

~F

 

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"Faeandar" <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65
> because of an XP penalty in place somewhere between the two levels.
> Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
> couldn't recall what level it was implemented.
>
> So, 2 questions:
>
> 1) is this true?

Absolute bullshit. I don't remember the exact name of the post, but Sean
Kennedy ran the numbers when the expansion came out. Killing the same mobs
(with one exception) you will lose about 10 to 15 percent of the experience
from being higher level (Search for the post if you want the exact numbers)

A level 70 killing level 66 targets will make AA's faster than a level 65
killing level 61 targets.

The only exception is if the *only* targets you kill are between level 60 and
64. At 65 you would be getting high con bonus (about double normal exp) for
them, and at level 70 you would not.


>
> 2) if so, what level is it implemented?
>

When you become over 5 levels above your chosen target.


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Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65

True, kind of. There's a large bonus for killing mobs within 5 levels of
yourself. Some say that the ZEM (the zone experience modifier) doesn't
benefit you if the mob is more than 5 levels below you, some say there's a
different bonus for things within 5 levels. It doesn't matter which is true,
just realize that you get far more xp for killing something 5 levels below you
than 6.

So a lot of mobs give more xp at 65 than they do at 70. If you're killing
L65+ mobs, you'll get AAs at the same rate (unless you kill them faster at 70,
in which case you'll get xp faster). If you're killing L63 mobs, you'll see
a large drop in xp per mob when you hit 69.

>Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
>couldn't recall what level it was implemented.

Depends on what you're killing. This is about right in a lot of PoP zones,
where your targets are 62-64. PoFire tables have mostly L65 targets and
should be unaffected, along with WoS, KT, and MPG.

The cutoff level is dependent on target - things more than 5 levels below
you are worth far less than they were.
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Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:si98u0ll9udto0qoogvpj0au5m451tld0p@4ax.com:

> I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65
> because of an XP penalty in place somewhere between the two levels.
> Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
> couldn't recall what level it was implemented.
>
> So, 2 questions:
>
> 1) is this true?
>
> 2) if so, what level is it implemented?
>

Not strictly true to my knowledge. The problem that arises is that you
will likely still be xping on the same mobs at 70 as you are at 65, and
thus, you lose the high con bonus. I can see the difference soloing in
Fire on the same mobs I soloed at level 65, I now get noticably less xp
at level 69. On the other hand, I can kill them somewhat faster too, not
sure if the difference is a wash or not off hand.

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On 11 Jan 2005 20:30:51 GMT, Graeme Faelban
<RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote:

>Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:si98u0ll9udto0qoogvpj0au5m451tld0p@4ax.com:
>
>> I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65
>> because of an XP penalty in place somewhere between the two levels.
>> Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
>> couldn't recall what level it was implemented.
>>
>> So, 2 questions:
>>
>> 1) is this true?
>>
>> 2) if so, what level is it implemented?
>>
>
>Not strictly true to my knowledge. The problem that arises is that you
>will likely still be xping on the same mobs at 70 as you are at 65, and
>thus, you lose the high con bonus. I can see the difference soloing in
>Fire on the same mobs I soloed at level 65, I now get noticably less xp
>at level 69. On the other hand, I can kill them somewhat faster too, not
>sure if the difference is a wash or not off hand.

Ok, that makes sense. So a followup question:

Is AA XP a strict number or a precentage? I don;t mean in terms of
what you specify on the XP towards AA, I mean is an AA point a
specific number of XP points? Like 5k XP's=1 AA type thing.

Thanks.

~F

 

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> Ok, that makes sense. So a followup question:
>
> Is AA XP a strict number or a precentage? I don;t mean in terms of
> what you specify on the XP towards AA, I mean is an AA point a
> specific number of XP points? Like 5k XP's=1 AA type thing.

Yes. An AA is equal to the amount of XP to get through 50th level, iirc.

 

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dagon@dagon.net (Mark Rafn) wrote in
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> Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65
>
> True, kind of. There's a large bonus for killing mobs within 5 levels
> of yourself. Some say that the ZEM (the zone experience modifier)
> doesn't benefit you if the mob is more than 5 levels below you, some
> say there's a different bonus for things within 5 levels. It doesn't
> matter which is true, just realize that you get far more xp for
> killing something 5 levels below you than 6.
>
> So a lot of mobs give more xp at 65 than they do at 70. If you're
> killing L65+ mobs, you'll get AAs at the same rate (unless you kill
> them faster at 70, in which case you'll get xp faster). If you're
> killing L63 mobs, you'll see a large drop in xp per mob when you hit
> 69.

Not quite the way it works, the high con bonus scales based on the
difference in levels, it is not a fixed bonus. You will see a gradual
drop in xp as you level up.

>
>>Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
>>couldn't recall what level it was implemented.
>
> Depends on what you're killing. This is about right in a lot of PoP
> zones, where your targets are 62-64. PoFire tables have mostly L65
> targets and should be unaffected, along with WoS, KT, and MPG.
>
> The cutoff level is dependent on target - things more than 5 levels
> below you are worth far less than they were.

In fire, where the mobs I solo were white, yellow, and red to me at level
65, I still get a high con bonus at level 69, and will at level 70, but,
it is not as high a bonus as I did killing them at level 65. However, I
do kill them faster now, I have less resists, and I have better spells at
my disposal.

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>> Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65

>dagon@dagon.net (Mark Rafn) wrote in
>> So a lot of mobs give more xp at 65 than they do at 70. If you're
>> killing L65+ mobs, you'll get AAs at the same rate (unless you kill
>> them faster at 70, in which case you'll get xp faster). If you're
>> killing L63 mobs, you'll see a large drop in xp per mob when you hit
>> 69.

Graeme Faelban <RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote:
>Not quite the way it works, the high con bonus scales based on the
>difference in levels, it is not a fixed bonus. You will see a gradual
>drop in xp as you level up.

Likely so, but it's a very small drop compared to the 5-level cliff. I
stopped levelling at 68.99 to keep the bonus, so I can't say how much it
changes at 69 or 70, but the difference from 65 to 68 on things that are 63 or
higher is unnoticeable for me, while things that are under 63 are simply not
worth killing.

>In fire, where the mobs I solo were white, yellow, and red to me at level
>65, I still get a high con bonus at level 69, and will at level 70, but,
>it is not as high a bonus as I did killing them at level 65. However, I
>do kill them faster now, I have less resists, and I have better spells at
>my disposal.

Agreed. Any penalty you suffer within 5 levels is small enough to be far
outweighed by faster kill rate and lower risk. The penalty (loss of bonus, if
you prefer, though it's the same effect) at 6 or more levels difference is
the one that matters.
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Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:9k19u0pqnbrqpml4mo4ifrg39q5hq1el18@4ax.com:

> On 11 Jan 2005 20:30:51 GMT, Graeme Faelban
> <RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:si98u0ll9udto0qoogvpj0au5m451tld0p@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I've been told that AA points are harder to come by at 70 than at 65
>>> because of an XP penalty in place somewhere between the two levels.
>>> Supposedly it's about 1 AA at 70 to 3AA's at 65. Person I talked to
>>> couldn't recall what level it was implemented.
>>>
>>> So, 2 questions:
>>>
>>> 1) is this true?
>>>
>>> 2) if so, what level is it implemented?
>>>
>>
>>Not strictly true to my knowledge. The problem that arises is that
>>you will likely still be xping on the same mobs at 70 as you are at
>>65, and thus, you lose the high con bonus. I can see the difference
>>soloing in Fire on the same mobs I soloed at level 65, I now get
>>noticably less xp at level 69. On the other hand, I can kill them
>>somewhat faster too, not sure if the difference is a wash or not off
>>hand.
>
> Ok, that makes sense. So a followup question:
>
> Is AA XP a strict number or a precentage? I don;t mean in terms of
> what you specify on the XP towards AA, I mean is an AA point a
> specific number of XP points? Like 5k XP's=1 AA type thing.
>

It's always a fixed amount of XP regardless of your level. It is about
equivalent to leveling from 51 to 52 as I recall.

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Mark Rafn <dagon@dagon.net> wrote:
: Agreed. Any penalty you suffer within 5 levels is small enough to be far
: outweighed by faster kill rate and lower risk. The penalty (loss of bonus, if
: you prefer, though it's the same effect) at 6 or more levels difference is
: the one that matters.

At 69 and 70 we are all supposed to be killing things in RSS where I
hear single kills can get you like >10% AA.

K