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VisionTek Killer HD 5770: The GPU + NIC Combo

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December 2, 2010 11:52:42 AM

Its cool but I fail to see the point.
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December 2, 2010 11:55:28 AM

uhg!! don't they see most motherboard come with Ethernet standard these days? and that card is only worth 100$ at most
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December 2, 2010 11:58:56 AM

Idiotic idea, this will sell quite poorly.
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December 2, 2010 11:59:13 AM

Cmartin011, you are clearly missing the point. The network controllers on the motherboard use system's ram and the cpu to manage networking, whilst this has it's own RAM and a special CPU to deal with networking, and because of the drivers, can give certain programms or even connections different priorities, so you won't be bothered by your porn downloads while you are playing call of duty.
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December 2, 2010 12:00:59 PM

Is this really needed when most boards have two NICs?
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December 2, 2010 12:03:01 PM

Dumb...I fail to see the point of combining two cards that almost certainly will never both be upgraded at the same time in the future. Upgrade your graphics card in a year and now you have to buy another $100 NIC?! I already fail to see how this Killer NIC can really do much to help gaming when port forwarding, QoS, and application prioritizing can be set up in most routers. (Even my 3 year old D-Link Gamer Lounge router does this fine). Then again if you have a SLI/XFire mainboard you could always leave this card installed when you upgrade to a better video card in the future. I'm sure that won't be a burden on power consumption......
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December 2, 2010 12:05:53 PM

The thing is its one of those gaming optimized dealies that you end up paying more for in order to lower your ping 5 points. I'm sure there would be more of a market for it if it were on the 58xx/59xx or 6000 series, newer more powerful cards where people would be willing to spend a little more, but i guess you have to start somewhere. Also, if it were wireless maybe?
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December 2, 2010 12:07:03 PM

y
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December 2, 2010 12:08:35 PM

cmartin011uhg!! don't they see most motherboard come with Ethernet standard these days? and that card is only worth 100$ at most


While I can't say how good or bad the "Killer" network card is, the network card which is built into this video card, by itself lists for around $85 on Newegg. So the price in the article makes sense, since individually they probably have an MSRP of around $100 each.

The actual network card, is also distributed by VisionTek.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 12:16:12 PM

Go ahead and look up some reviews and stats on the Killer Nic cards vs. onboard or add-on cards...there is virtually no difference. Yes, I get that it runs its own TCP/IP stack within the hardware of the card and doesn't use system resources. What year is this? 1996? We have to make sure we don't lose 2mhz of CPU power and 2mb of system RAM to the network controller on the motherboard (BTW...didn't exist on consumer and most server boards in that day).

Seriously, almost every single onboard NIC has the ability to allow QoS, forwarding and many, many other options that were built into like BOTH network adapters on the board. Like some have also said, 99% of routers also have these features, if you REALLY want to do this on the hardware level (which would also be even more effective than doing this locally on the card).

Gimmick. Expensive one at that.
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December 2, 2010 12:22:44 PM

Conceptual idea and ultimately how pratical can this be. But i like the idea behind this as these SLI/CROSSFIRE systems are getting double slot cards leaving many of those 1x/4x PCIe slots between those 16/8x slots unavailable. I like the idea of putting some more stress on the GPU and utilizing the excessive 1/2gb of ram these things have and with HDMI audio, maybe someone like Asus can combine the Xonos sound card with a GPU. Yes many systems have audio/NIC but not all and i have a dual socket xeon board with no audio at all so i've got to use a PCIe slot for this purpose. GPU/NIC - not a fan but applaud the idea and pioneering concept to utilize those power hungry cards when not 3d gaming!
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December 2, 2010 12:32:53 PM

In terms of maybe things like Flash and etc, networking say to the graphics card might be useful, even outside like flash. Could network other services for visual input and output more easily maybe. Especially given just visual setups of use. You can now get input or and output of video card to say. No networking maybe within motherboard and cpu? Its an ok idea, and does have varies uses for it, but to expand upon the idea would require and idea the industry hasnt been much up for for awhile. Rather they continued to work within means to do so, idk. They've wanted to wait for alot of releases and developments to be made before this kinda product releases have been stated as a release for consumers.
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December 2, 2010 12:38:28 PM

That'd be a great idea of motherboards didn't have it integrated already, but seeing that they do - it's just one more thing to fail.
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December 2, 2010 12:39:08 PM

Not nessecarily a bad idea, but they should perhaps restrict this combo to high end cards - I doubt any midrange system builder would desire a killer nic in the first place. it's such a gimmick that I can't imagine a success when paired with a low end/midrange gpu. It's like the p55 chipsets with pcie splitters or those hydra chips - with the money spent on the special p55 they could've bought a better chipset or two matched graphics cards instead.
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December 2, 2010 1:45:30 PM

Is this one card hosting two product?

When the drivers for one or the other become outdated, can they be upgraded without losing functionality?

(example: New Catalyst package is released by AMD. Will it be usable here? If I install that driver will the onboard NIC quit working?).
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December 2, 2010 1:46:48 PM

Gamers who would pay $200 for that are more likely to purchase 6870 instead. The Killer NIC is overpriced but clearly not as good as similarly priced server-grade NIC.
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a c 226 U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 2:03:00 PM

Interesting product, but of limited performance value. For those who like gimicky products, this is for you. For the rest of us, I just don't see the benefit (cost or performance-wise).

As indicated by many here and via multiple other sources, the whole Killer NIC argument is virtually moot (at best). Combining with a mid-tier GPU just doesn't make a lot of technical sense nor common sense. In fact, even as I try to think a bit out of the box, I see virtually no value here combining these capabilities with any GPU.
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December 2, 2010 2:08:55 PM

amstechIdiotic idea, this will sell quite poorly.

I Disagree, those killer network cards retail for over $150. while they may be good performing, i cannot justify spending $150 on a network card, however a $200 video card that contains really $350 worth of hardware. I do think it's a good deal.
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December 2, 2010 2:11:15 PM

nevertellCmartin011, you are clearly missing the point. The network controllers on the motherboard use system's ram and the cpu to manage networking, whilst this has it's own RAM and a special CPU to deal with networking, and because of the drivers, can give certain programms or even connections different priorities, so you won't be bothered by your porn downloads while you are playing call of duty.


The traffic prioritization and bandwidth control can certainly be useful in some cases. Having the CPU deal with networking isn't a problem these days however - most games don't even use four cores, so you have one or two full, 3GHz cores doing nothing anyway. Maybe it's useful if you still game on a Pentium III with 256MB RAM...
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a b U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 2:25:25 PM

Pointless.. I have seen tons of reviews on the nic and there is not much difference from just using your on board nic.
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December 2, 2010 2:28:00 PM

hokIs this really needed when most boards have two NICs?


Is this really needed when most boards have one NIC? I would guesstimate that it's few and far between your average gamer needs even more than 1 port, plus mostly higher end board only have 2 NICs.
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December 2, 2010 2:31:32 PM

I'm sure there is a minor amount of people willing to spend money on a 'gaming network card' and a minor amount of people in that minor group would need/want to spend extra money to save space/the slot. If that group is large enough to make this product profitable, great. But to me, it's an uninteresting niche product.
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December 2, 2010 2:39:56 PM

Combining a (mid-range) graphics card and a NIC does not sound like a good idea. As others have said, anyone looking for a dedicated gaming NIC is probably looking for a higher end card too. IMO, you only need this card if you do not have Ethernet already on your motherboard.

The hybrid card idea has potential, but manufacturers need to find the right combinations. Remember when motherboards did not have networking, audio, or all the other on-board perks.
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a b U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 3:13:05 PM

******* awesome, a double slot solution with integrated NIC...good for all the crossfired and multi GPU rigs out there. Even if its not practical or how much it really is, you should take your hats off for what visiontek have come up with, its a step non-the-less - forward

BRAVO - I'd get one anyday - provided its available in my country :) 
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December 2, 2010 3:19:10 PM

This is for someone in a competitive situation where a small increase in performance (less than 5% probably closer to 1 or 2%) can make the difference. It makes no sense for anyone else.
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December 2, 2010 3:19:47 PM

Great idea but fails when it comes to the GPU.

I would not even buy this for my old HTPC or the dogs computer for video performance why not use a real basic server / IGP video card GPU like the 6850 minm. then there would be a market for this.
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December 2, 2010 3:59:47 PM

WarraWarraGreat idea but fails when it comes to the GPU.I would not even buy this for my old HTPC or the dogs computer for video performance why not use a real basic server / IGP video card GPU like the 6850 minm. then there would be a market for this.



Are you stupid? The 5770 is still a great card, in fact, an OC'ed 5770 is only slightly outperformed by the 6850.

Anyone who says that the 5770 sucks is a complete idiot.
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December 2, 2010 3:59:58 PM

this is what you get when hardcore gamer starts a company...
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December 2, 2010 4:00:02 PM

They need a graphics and sound card combo.
If it became standard for graphics card to contained a NIC AND a soundcard, then a push for USB and sata to be move on to cpu from south bridge, the mobo would be almost chip free shrinking everything.
3 chip future - cpu, SSD (future speeds remove ram), all-in-one graphics/sound/network/other IO

5 chip now - cpu, ram, SSD, south bridge, graphics
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December 2, 2010 4:25:04 PM

So when one goes outdated, you have to toss both? No thanks.
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December 2, 2010 4:28:47 PM

If this was on a 6850 H*** Y***! I would be all over it. However just because it's not is no reason to dogmatically slamming the product either.
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December 2, 2010 4:35:20 PM

The Killer NIC doesn't exactly do much in improving lags. There are benchmarks proving this, which ultimately show that the high price of the card isn't justifiable.
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December 2, 2010 4:50:10 PM

they should combine the gpu with tv tuner or sound blaster that will make it looks more "killer" ... not the nic , networking and video graphic just like 2 different country and 2 different culture :) 
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December 2, 2010 5:08:02 PM

Anyone with $200 to spend on better gaming performance is infinitely better served by simply getting a better video card.
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a c 172 U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 6:15:55 PM

TemjinGoldAnyone with $200 to spend on better gaming performance is infinitely better served by simply getting a better video card.

bingo
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December 2, 2010 6:24:15 PM

Higher fps don't mean jack if your ping is inj the 200 range. Having had a killer nic for a short stint I can say without a doubt it lowered my jitter from 200ms to about 40 so my ping never went above 150, which made comp matches possible for me.
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December 2, 2010 6:51:17 PM

I immediately thought video over Cat5 when I saw this, but I guess that isn't the case. Would've have been extremely handy.
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December 2, 2010 7:20:38 PM

forminThey need a graphics and sound card combo.


That's essentially what HDMI does. As for adding the NIC to it, I can see how this might be beneficial for some LAN party games that were optimized to take advantage of this, and also in offloading the extra resources from the SouthBridge, but as for your typical internet connected game that rarely even throttles over 5% of a Gigabit NICs total bandwidth, what is the point?
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December 2, 2010 8:49:58 PM

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The Killer HD 5770 is a one-card, one-slot solution

If I put that in my computer it will make it impossible for me to use the PCI-e x1 slot. But I think that that's just the point, as my current card is also over the PCIe x1 slot.
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December 2, 2010 10:21:34 PM

I wish it came with a parallel port instead, then I may purchase it.
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December 2, 2010 11:37:39 PM

sonofliberty08 said:
they should combine the gpu with tv tuner or sound blaster that will make it looks more "killer" ... not the nic , networking and video graphic just like 2 different country and 2 different culture :) 

Adding a TV tuner reminds me of ATI's All-in-Wonder series. I had one paired with an Athlon (single core) a few years back. It was great when the software worked correctly. It would be nice to switch between gaming and cable TV again.

formin said:
They need a graphics and sound card combo. ...

that_id said:
That's essentially what HDMI does. As for adding the NIC to it, I can see how this might be beneficial for some LAN party games that were optimized to take advantage of this, and also in offloading the extra resources from the SouthBridge, but as for your typical internet connected game that rarely even throttles over 5% of a Gigabit NICs total bandwidth, what is the point?

I agree with adding more sound capabilites, however I do not know all the limitations. Does it provide multiple audio output via HDMI?
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December 2, 2010 11:38:36 PM

Benihana said:
I wish it came with a parallel port instead, then I may purchase it.

Just Curious... what are you attaching via parallel port?
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December 3, 2010 12:16:59 AM

People think the cheap $5 integrated Nics on boards can match a good NIC(not saying the Killer is good, I haven't tried it). Seriously, try the product before you make up your minds! I just want a NIC that has dual ports, so not willing to try this until they put another port on there.
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December 3, 2010 12:32:06 AM

What a stupid idea. Ignoring the fact that every modern motherboard comes with a gigabit ethernet port, and also ignoring the fact that CPU utilization is nil on anything but a 12 year old CPU, this is still a stupid idea. You could salvage a PCI ethernet card for free and get practically the same speeds as these overpriced "gamer" NICs.
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December 3, 2010 12:57:11 AM

Their should be a review on this - what if this goes outdated?
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a c 125 U Graphics card
December 3, 2010 1:21:03 AM

Hurp Durp this is teh sux!

Seriously people, do you really think this is meant as a mainstream application? It's called niche market. How many people buy the NIC card to begin with? Not many! But I'll be of the ones that do, there's a good portion that would see this as a great investment.

I think it's a pretty cool idea.
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a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2010 2:04:36 AM

nevertellCmartin011, you are clearly missing the point. The network controllers on the motherboard use system's ram and the cpu to manage networking, whilst this has it's own RAM and a special CPU to deal with networking, and because of the drivers, can give certain programms or even connections different priorities, so you won't be bothered by your porn downloads while you are playing call of duty.


NPU's are nothing new. They were done away with because they're completely unnecessary. The "Killer NIC" can't even do what they claim it can. It has absolutely ZERO impact on latency outside of your own home network....and even within it's own private network, it's impact is limited to the connection directly to the router. From the router, outwards is uneffected.
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December 3, 2010 4:32:27 AM

ChromeTuskJust Curious... what are you attaching via parallel port?

Why, my dot matrix printer of course!

Hehe, I kid. My computer does not even have a parallel port interface anymore. It's all serial. Universally Serial. :) 
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December 3, 2010 12:01:23 PM

Wow, I've come a long way the the few years since I've discovered Tom's. As a non-gamer I still don't understand why you need to spend hundreds of dollars to reduce your ping by 5 whatevers. And I don't really care. What I've come to appreciate is that the gaming community is driving product development that will greatly improve the performance of my system and reduce my costs. Thank you. As for combining GPU with NIC on one PCIe card I can think of one great (at least I hope this sounds as smart as I think it does) place to use this combination - on a system based on a motherboard with only one PCIe slot. I think that many mini or micro ATX boards only have one slot. So for someone who wants performance in a small space this would be the ticket. While this GPU/NIC is targeted at gamers, other combinations might be more useful for budget builders and non-gamers.
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