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Anyone else find the OCZ review a bit harsh?

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July 29, 2005 4:06:04 PM

After reading the VERY brief comments about the PowerStream from the stress test, I'm left thinking that there was some prejudice in there. While I can't argue against the fact that the PSU shut down at only 588W, the fact that they're completely shooting down the idea of the adjustable rails seems like complete ignorance.

To me, the idea seems perfect. I don't know who they think will be using the PSU, but it seems like they're under the impression that people are going to go and turn the nobs randomly while their systems are running, just because they're there. Conversely, if I do go with this PSU, first thing I'm planning on it pulling out my multi-meter and adjusting the line to be just right as opposed to accepting them being perpetually low or high as some PSUs expect.

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July 29, 2005 4:59:12 PM

I did not see the review. But I like the idea of adjustable rails. I have had a few PSU's that ran a little off, but within spec. I wonder how sensitive the adjustments are?

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July 31, 2005 5:31:32 AM

I believe the same as you, THG must have pretty good equipment, however it is very, very odd to see the best psu from OCZ not giving full wattage. Either they messed up setting that test, or they've got a terrible sample.
My OCZ PowerStream 420W is the best PSU I have ever bought. After PCP&C, OCZ is the best PSU manufacturer, considering their excellent performing products and custumer support.
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July 31, 2005 3:23:52 PM

Setting up a high-end test platform isn't all that hard. Any second year electrical engineering student should be able to do it. It's just getting the money to do such a thing that's a pain.

However, I still think it was a bit harsh. While they say that they were unable to find any damaged components to explain why the OCZ shut down, it doesn't mean that it wasn't defective. Did they try to contact OCZ to get an explination? What was their response? Was it a production mordel or a preview sample? And of course, what were the performance numbers up to the failure point? These are the things I want to know that they left out that could really help me with my decision.
July 31, 2005 11:43:31 PM

No, there is nothing harsh about this. The only thing that is harsh is that the PSU industry has been screwing us over for a long time. Its not getting better, its getting worse. THG IMO is probably going to cause the whole PSU industry to rethink ratings and quality. I think that THG had a good idea going into this that the number of PSUs that would fail was going to be high. You should be thankful that they are willing to cause a stir.

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August 1, 2005 1:11:16 AM

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You should be thankful that they are willing to cause a stir.

I don't mind them causing a stir but why don't they give us the readings up to the fail point? Did the sun shining through their lab window affect this also? I have a OCZ Power Stream 600 and it is flawless.

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August 2, 2005 3:25:50 AM

After their Dual Core debacle I would not trust anyone from THG to fuel my car, nevermind evalute high quality computer equipment.

According to OCZ, THG Probably forgot to put a load on the second 12V rail. As these PS's have a reputation for going past their stated values I would tend to believe OCZ on this matter.
August 2, 2005 5:26:54 AM

That OCZ would probably run flawlessly in any of our comps. I sincerely doubt any of us has a system that draws 588watts, lol.

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August 2, 2005 12:52:48 PM

Where'd you get OCZ's response from? Not that I doubt you, I'm just wondering

Oh, and as for drawing more than 588W, I can believe it's possible. Imagine a P4EE running 6800Ultras in SLI, with a few HDD and a couple opticals, overclocked. That should push it over the limit :D 
August 2, 2005 7:23:24 PM

Thanks bvdrax. Glad to see I wasn't the only one that had problems with this report. Could have accepted it if it truely failed, but they left far to many questions open about it. I wish someone else did a review like this though, as it's a good concept, just poorly executed. When Anandtech gives reviews like these: "520W sounds like a lot of power and it is, but truthfully, this power supply would probably be rated at 700 watts by a manufacturer who was trying to impress with specs", and OCZ's knowing for QA and customer service, it makes you wonder what's going on in the THG offices.

Truthfully, I think the larger problem is that they are trying to do too much at once. Jsut the poor editing that leaves easily catchable typos and grammar mistakes in 10% of their articles is a testament to that. Obviously there's not enough review happening in the articles so that they are truely "reviews", rather than just a long series of editorials. Just thankful that I always play devil's advocate whenever possible.

Now to decide if I truely need 600W worth, or if 520 will do. Stupid part about this is that the retailer that I'm buying the system from is on a little bit of crack (<A HREF="http://www.greytech.com" target="_new">http://www.greytech.com&lt;/A>). For some strange reason, they flag systems you configure with an Athlon X2 if you want less than a 550W PSU. They'll still build it, but they'll give you an I told you so if you come back saying your system ain't got enough power. Just wish they didn't have the best prices (only place I've found with a 7800GTX for under $700 CDN, and a $100 bulk discount for the whole system as well).
August 3, 2005 8:58:49 AM

Im not suggesting that OCZ is a bad PSU. What I am saying is that the industry as a whole is going to shiit. Im glad to see someone putting this out in the open.

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August 4, 2005 6:08:34 AM

You must have read a secret test report from THG somewhere. Would you please point to it? So far they haven't proved anything with their tests other than their opinions on their pet ones. I do keep up with the IT industry and all companies have trouble from time to time but I see more good than bad.

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August 4, 2005 8:16:52 AM

Why do you say ocz is the best powersupply just asking thats all not being a smart ass dude

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August 4, 2005 1:48:21 PM

I don't know what the hell you're talking about the PSU industry going bad. Infact, I think it's just the opposite. 10 years ago, the only quality PSUs you could find came from enermax. The rest of them were just mediocre. You just never noticed as your other computer components were a lot less sensitive and could handle it. Now, there's a ton of quality manufacturers out there that are pushing out PSUs to meet the high demands of power users. Not only that, but they are also keeping the prices on the PSUs down. I think that's truely amazing, especially if you consider that there hasn't been any major technological breakthroughs that would affect the PSUs in over 3 decades that would cause quality to increase and performance to drop. It's all based on the same technology used in the first power transformers.

Just my $0.02
August 4, 2005 5:28:28 PM

i though enermax was a new brand and antec and zalaman was the older brand?!?!?!? ? this is new to me...
August 4, 2005 5:32:55 PM

Antec has bin vewy vewy good to me!

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August 4, 2005 5:41:57 PM

From Enermax's <A HREF="http://www.enermax.com.tw/about_com.php" target="_new">site</A>:

Enermax Technology Corporation was founded in1990 by a group of young professional, enthusiastic, and high-tech oriented people in Taiwan. The Enermax founders left high-profile positions from prestigious computer firms, bringing over 10 years of professional experiences to our own firm.

I personally remember the Enermax name in the early 90's. I've only come to know Antec within the past 5 years or so (though I know they've been around for a good time as well), and never heard of Zalaman.
August 4, 2005 7:22:11 PM

OCd to 4.8Ghz and all of my components running at once, I would be around 533W's. Theres no way everything is going to be running at once, and not many people have ever seen 4.8Ghz much less run their rigs at that speed most of the time.

This is a really nice PSU cal for OCers. <A HREF="http://www.extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp" target="_new">http://www.extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp&lt;/A>

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August 4, 2005 7:29:27 PM

Anyone that thinks that the PSU industry as a whole is on the UP and UP needs to take a serious look at the big picture. There are far more crap PSU's that fudge numbers than there are quality PSU's.

Thats what my point has been, if you think otherwise then good for you.

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August 5, 2005 5:03:49 AM

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Anyone that thinks that the PSU industry as a whole is on the UP and UP needs to take a serious look at the big picture.


Yeah,I get it, the <b>BIG</b> picture,

the one on the back of MAXPC...

showing the weird naked guy with glowing eyes...

looking at the sucky xconnect PSU.

I'm sure if you stoped looking at the <b>BIG</b> picture, you'de feel much better about the whole PSU industry.


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August 5, 2005 6:01:51 AM

What the hell was all of that about? When I make strong statements, its usually because I have seen it or experienced it first hand. Out of all the PSUs that I have put in systems over the last year, there is an alarming percentage of them that do not measure up to their claims.

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August 5, 2005 10:31:37 AM

I remember when I had enermax 300 watt psu for the longest time. I bought a new processor and vcard that needed more watts to get to 200 fsb. I booted up and started a game, a prompt came up from smartdocter saying it is lowering the voltage to the video card to proctect it from damage.
Well I thought at that time the vcard must bad I'm taking it back ,after talking to the computer dude he said it could be your psu, so I bought a new one it was an enermax 551. Strangly I was still getting the prompt with the vcard after putting in the new one. So I decided to use the old one to run some of the other needed items in the computer and the prompt did not come up anymore.
I think the power limits can be used on a one rail system very easy. The power is divided amoung the 3.3 12 5 volt to = a total of the watts. 75 watts for a cpu, a ship load of of fans the hd cdroms and now vcards that needs extra power and the rail lets say a 12 could be to the max and not long after a prompt like mine comes up.
I dont think they are harsh with OCZ the psu could not handle the power drawn that ocz techs say it could. Just like my old 300 watt psu could not.

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August 5, 2005 12:34:49 PM

That is the best wattage calculator I have seen. Thankx

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August 5, 2005 1:18:29 PM

y it don;t work for my firefox?!?! when i do stuff the bottom pics seems to be blocked (could it be my uber ad/banner blocker?)

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August 5, 2005 1:19:37 PM

thanks dude for the post. I missed that on my final post but after taking it. I descovered that I used 75% of my watts on the 5 and 3.3 and over half on the 12. My current psu is only allowed 200watts on the 5v and 3.3 volt and less than 300 on the 12. but cash dude I need smoke today so maybe on the next pay.

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August 5, 2005 1:36:30 PM

Has to be you adblock, cause it worked fine for me in FF
August 5, 2005 4:59:18 PM

O.o i got it up and working.... says i need 351 watt..... now somethign tells me 485 watt is overkill
August 5, 2005 5:14:19 PM

Tells me that I only need 480W in my system... Until I toss a second 7800GTX in it. Then I'm under powered :( 
August 5, 2005 5:20:05 PM

Ok, first off, sorry.
That was a bit rude.

But I don't think the industry as a whole is all that bad. My experience has been that the big name PSU are very reliable, and it's only when you drift into the bargain-nameless PSU that there's any trouble.

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August 5, 2005 5:40:01 PM

May I also point out that enthusiasts expect more realistic specs out of claims from manufacturer. And it seems some claim peak power while others claim 70% of peak.
You have to be careful reading specs, since the ratings can vary manufacturer to manufacturer.
And what would be fine for average joe PC might not be adequate for joe enthusiast.

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August 5, 2005 10:22:53 PM

Keep in mind that the number of watts that it gives you would be if all components were being used at once. I have been seeing alot of threads on the 7800 cards needing high AMPs on the 12v rail, how many AMPs does your PSU supply on the 12V rail?

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August 6, 2005 2:01:00 AM

I guess I'll conceed the point. Hmmm... methinks I need to stop offending the THGC.

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August 6, 2005 7:39:07 AM

You should always express your thoughts, concerns, opinions without worrying what someone else may think. As for being rude, I can be the biggest smart AS5 on here at times so I wont fault you for that. The reason that I tend to get pissed in many threads is because people tend to not really think before they respond. I dont have a problem with someone not ageeing with me, in fact I welcome it. Constructive debate is essential in the search for the TRUTH. Its all Good!

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August 6, 2005 5:12:24 PM

I'm thinking about going with the OCZ Powerstream line. Other option I'm considering is the Enermax Noisetaker. Unfortunately, both nVidia and ATI keep their power consumption closely gaurded, so it's only trial and error thru reviews. Anyone got experience with this setup (X2 4200 and 7800GTX) and what to consider?
August 6, 2005 7:44:54 PM

I would be weary of the powerstream series because I have had problems with two already. Either I had a bad batch, or you must have pretty good circuitry in your house. Both tripped the circuit breaker. Go choose another series or brand of psu's other than OCZ becuase A.) they have made a bunch of defective PSU's, or B.) they will explode in houses that arne't wired to meet the highest standards.

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August 6, 2005 7:54:15 PM

I Luv your sig! Antec TruePower makes good ones, at least I have had positive results with a couple of them.
The TruePower series is better than the SmartPower series...

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August 6, 2005 11:31:58 PM

Well, I built that exact rig for someone a few days ago but didnt have more than two hours to play around with it. I do know some big OCers that have this rig so I will ask for their advise. Reind me in a day or so if you havent heard back from me.

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August 12, 2005 1:42:03 PM

Thanks man. Reminder like you asked :p 

On the other side of things, in their "Live" stress test, they've been doing a second test of the PowerStream for 5 days now. Makes you truely wonder about their testing methodology...
August 12, 2005 4:22:57 PM

Ya, just tried to makes sense of the babel translation that you provided on Bleeding Edge. Have to wait till the english version comes out though.
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