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Wesley,
Changing the RACM to Automatic did no good, got error 1068 when trying to
start it. Still got many Errors when I checked after a reboot; went back to
Manual
Jerry
"Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OoYxCUSmFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Jerry,
>
> It sounds to me like you need the Remote Access Connection Manager
> running.
>
> Set RACM to Automatic. That way you should avoid seeing the errors and
> see
> your other machine when you need to.
>
> That's the deal with services. Sometimes you have to experiment.
>
> You're correct, the documentation on services is slim.
>
> --
> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>
> Wes
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> In news:eb7FDMGmFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Jerry <NoSpamChiefZeke@MSN.com> hunted and pecked:
>> Wesley,
>>
>> Another glitch popped up in my home network.
>>
>> If I have Remote Access Connection Manager (RACM) disabled then I cannot
>> see my second system, with XP Home, from my XP Pro system. Opening
>> Services and changing RACM back to Manual then allows me to see the Pro
>> system from the Home system but not vice versa. Rebooting then allows me
>> to see Home from Pro
>>
>> So, to reduce the Event Viewer error messages I will have to leave RACM
>> disabled until I want to use my home network then I can set it to Manual
>> but a reboot is required.
>>
>> Why are things so confusing and not documented?
>>
>> Jerry
>> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:eH$vzy6lFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>> Keep having fun.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>> In news:uw$exLxlFHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
>>> Jerry <NoSpamChiefZeke@MSN.com> hunted and pecked:
>>>> Wesley,
>>>>
>>>> After I fired up tonight I checked Event Viewer and there were items
>>>> listed but the long list of errors was not there. My guess is it was
>>>> because I had disabled the Remote Accesss Connection Manager as I
>>>> mentioned earlier today.
>>>>
>>>> Why I got a list with todays date tonight rather than earlier this
>>>> afternoon is unknown.
>>>>
>>>> OK - I cheked the Dependecies tab to see what you were talking about.
>>>> But, I think it still would have made more sense for there to be some
>>>> kind of automatic notification of the dependencies. Oh well, can't have
>>>> everything byt at least I solved a minor glitch
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uFrf3HvlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
>>>>> debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you well know Services can be complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
>>>>> because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
>>>>> changed the setting.
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> All services have a Dependencies tab.
>>>>>
>>>>> This service depends on the following system components.
>>>>> [[Displays the services that are required by this service to run
>>>>> properly.]]
>>>>>
>>>>> The following system components depend on this service.
>>>>> [[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies
>>>>> tab. ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Procedure Call (RPC) Service
>>>>> [[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
>>>>> service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's
>>>>> one...
>>>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20041128094512/http://www.blackviper.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at
>>>>> least
>>>>> I haven't seen anything posted.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes
>>>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>
>>>>> In news:uqJe0hulFHA.3312@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>>>> Jerry <NoSpamChiefZeke@MSN.com> hunted and pecked:
>>>>>> Wesley,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the answers and suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to
>>>>>> be in
>>>>>> Manual - changed to Disabled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found
>>>>>> nothing;
>>>>>> last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
>>>>>> haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my original message).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK
>>>>>> - browser, e-mail, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
>>>>>> somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not
>>>>>> required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a
>>>>>> copy
>>>>>> of his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP"
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Steve Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the
>>>>>> Remote
>>>>>> Procedure
>>>>>> Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> else may happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Ocm$v2ilFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi Will,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having
>>>>>>> the Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Using a telephone modem.
>>>>>>> 2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
>>>>>>> 3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
>>>>>>> 4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
>>>>>>> 5. Using Windows Firewall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
>>>>>>> Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and
>>>>>>> Remote
>>>>>>> Access
>>>>>>> Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
>>>>>>> disabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
>>>>>>> probably will in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
>>>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/summary.mspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In news:O5%238OdilFHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
>>>>>>> Will Denny <willdenny@mvps.org> hunted and pecked:
>>>>>>>> Hi Wes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the
>>>>>>>> Telephony Service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will Denny
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>> Please reply to the News Groups
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:elm0HWilFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Will,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand service dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is
>>>>>>>>> fine
>>>>>>>>> without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote
>>>>>>>>> Access Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He
>>>>>>>>> made no mention
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> needing Internet Connection Sharing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection
>>>>>>>>> Manager service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony
>>>>>>>>> service is disabled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
>>>>>>>>> running???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remote Access Connection Manager
>>>>>>>>> [[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection
>>>>>>>>> Sharing.]]
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_access_connection_manager.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remote Access Connection Manager
>>>>>>>>> [[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
>>>>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>>>> Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
>>>>>>>>> connections when required.]]
>>>>>>>>>
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/winnt/service/pqr.html#RASMAN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remote Access Connection Manager
>>>>>>>>> [[Creates a network connection.
>>>>>>>>> *Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above,
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> Internet connection may need this service running due to some
>>>>>>>>> ISP's
>>>>>>>>> logon
>>>>>>>>> processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails,
>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>> Automatic.]]
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I disagree with this one##...
>>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
>>>>>>>>> [[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
>>>>>>>>> firewall -
>>>>>>>>> and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now,
>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>> the machine and don't start it up again until you have one
>>>>>>>>> installed and running. Yes, it's that important.]]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_firewall_int_con_sharing_ics_service.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
>>>>>>>>> [[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
>>>>>>>>> using the
>>>>>>>>> builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall
>>>>>>>>> or connection sharing.]]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/winnt/service/ghi.html#SHAREDACCESS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Telephony
>>>>>>>>> [[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases
>>>>>>>>> DSL/Cable activity.]]
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Telephony
>>>>>>>>> [[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that
>>>>>>>>> control telephony devices. The telephony service enables
>>>>>>>>> applications to act as
>>>>>>>>> clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and
>>>>>>>>> modems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> and,
>>>>>>>>> through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also
>>>>>>>>> is running
>>>>>>>>> this service.]]
>>>>>>>>>
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/winnt/service/stuv.html#TAPISRV
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Telephony
>>>>>>>>> [[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
>>>>>>>>> telephony
>>>>>>>>> devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>> the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
>>>>>>>>> *Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you
>>>>>>>>> are on
>>>>>>>>> Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
>>>>>>>>> Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ##
>>>>>>>>> [[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
>>>>>>>>> firewall
>>>>>>>>> from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
>>>>>>>>> A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for
>>>>>>>>> typical
>>>>>>>>> home computers, home networking, and small business networking
>>>>>>>>> scenarios.
>>>>>>>>> Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
>>>>>>>>> connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
>>>>>>>>> firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection
>>>>>>>>> Firewall
>>>>>>>>> or different software firewall, can provide substantial protection
>>>>>>>>> for your computer.]]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In news:OtCIuAilFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
>>>>>>>>> Will Denny <willdenny@mvps.org> hunted and pecked:
>>>>>>>>>> Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending
>>>>>>>>>> those will not work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will Denny
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> Please reply to the News Groups
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:OFJ0F4hlFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager
>>>>>>>>>>> service, unless
>>>>>>>>>>> you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
>>>>>>>>>>> Disable
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, see the Note: below.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Remote Access Connection Manager
>>>>>>>>>>> [[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to
>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>> disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may
>>>>>>>>>>> require this
>>>>>>>>>>> service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
>>>>>>>>>>> depending
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> DSL
>>>>>>>>>>> internet access no longer functions properly with this service
>>>>>>>>>>> disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware gateway or router,
>>>>>>>>>>> this service is not required.]]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
http://web.archive.org/web/20041128020314/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
>>>>>>>>>>> [[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
>>>>>>>>>>> Connection
>>>>>>>>>>> Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> your network to access the internet via only one account. This
>>>>>>>>>>> service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
>>>>>>>>>>> software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
>>>>>>>>>>> firewall, hardware gateway/router or
>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> required.]]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
http://web.archive.org/web/20041128020314/http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Windows_Firewall_Internet_Connection_Sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>> plus telephony disabled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In news:uCg$oXhlFHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry <NoSpamChiefZeke@MSN.com> hunted and pecked:
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event
>>>>>>>>>>>> Viewer (Local)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service
>>>>>>>>>>>> Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property > Description of:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Telephony service which
>>>>>>>>>>>> failed to start because of the following error: The service
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>> be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
>>>>>>>>>>>> enabled devices associated with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I
>>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>> this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no
>>>>>>>>>>>> since to have time wasted checking on this service/event.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry
>
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