Blocked Caller ID and IN-Calling

Jason

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Hello,

Can someone please clarify and possibly post a link to Verizon Wireless
website showing the actual position of Verizon wireless on this issue.

If I have Caller ID Blocking on, in other words my Caller ID info is not
displayed on telephones that I call. Now If I call a verizon qwireless
customer and my caller ID info is not displayed to them will this still be
considered an IN-Call for both of us?

thanks

P.S. I am currently on the $59 (800-minutes per month) family share plan
with 3 additional lines at $20 each..with unlimited Nights and Weekends and
unlimited IN-Calling...for a total of $119 a month.

I want to switch to the $79 (1000 minute a month plan for the first two
lines) and $20 for the additional two lines.....that would give me 200 more
minutes per month and also I would be paying $20 less per month and all
features would stay the same.

I called to do this but the guy could not make it active the 14th of
February, so I will call back that day because my bill cycle starts that
day....Do you think this plan will be here on the 14th?
 

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Jason wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can someone please clarify and possibly post a link to Verizon Wireless
> website showing the actual position of Verizon wireless on this issue.
>
> If I have Caller ID Blocking on, in other words my Caller ID info is not
> displayed on telephones that I call. Now If I call a verizon qwireless
> customer and my caller ID info is not displayed to them will this still be
> considered an IN-Call for both of us?
>
> thanks
>
> P.S. I am currently on the $59 (800-minutes per month) family share plan
> with 3 additional lines at $20 each..with unlimited Nights and Weekends and
> unlimited IN-Calling...for a total of $119 a month.
>
> I want to switch to the $79 (1000 minute a month plan for the first two
> lines) and $20 for the additional two lines.....that would give me 200 more
> minutes per month and also I would be paying $20 less per month and all
> features would stay the same.
>
> I called to do this but the guy could not make it active the 14th of
> February, so I will call back that day because my bill cycle starts that
> day....Do you think this plan will be here on the 14th?
>
>
I recently accepted the extra 100 minutes promo and asked that my change
be effective on the first day of my billing cycle; this was to avoid any
possible problems with proration, although I was told that in this
instance proration would not be a factor.

Contrary to the experience of some others, I also had to extend my
contract to two years from the date of the change. Another case of
different information from different cs reps.

Tom
 
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Tom wrote:
> Jason wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can someone please clarify and possibly post a link to Verizon Wireless
>> website showing the actual position of Verizon wireless on this issue.
>>
>> If I have Caller ID Blocking on, in other words my Caller ID info is not
>> displayed on telephones that I call. Now If I call a verizon qwireless
>> customer and my caller ID info is not displayed to them will this
>> still be
>> considered an IN-Call for both of us?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> P.S. I am currently on the $59 (800-minutes per month) family share plan
>> with 3 additional lines at $20 each..with unlimited Nights and
>> Weekends and
>> unlimited IN-Calling...for a total of $119 a month.
>>
>> I want to switch to the $79 (1000 minute a month plan for the first two
>> lines) and $20 for the additional two lines.....that would give me
>> 200 more
>> minutes per month and also I would be paying $20 less per month and all
>> features would stay the same.
>>
>> I called to do this but the guy could not make it active the 14th of
>> February, so I will call back that day because my bill cycle starts that
>> day....Do you think this plan will be here on the 14th?
>>
> I recently accepted the extra 100 minutes promo and asked that my change
> be effective on the first day of my billing cycle; this was to avoid any
> possible problems with proration, although I was told that in this
> instance proration would not be a factor.
>
> Contrary to the experience of some others, I also had to extend my
> contract to two years from the date of the change. Another case of
> different information from different cs reps.

To the caller-id question, for some bizarre reason, the Web page says
that if CID is blocked on an incoming call from a VZW phone, the person
receiving the call won't be IN (but the caller would be). This is
bizarre, since CID blocking only prevents presentation of the number on
the called phone; the info is carried through the network so other
features (such as distinctive ring on landline phones) will work even if
the number is blocked.

Concerning contract extension, it is really bizarre that people are
getting such different information. When I took the new promo a few days
ago, the CSR made it clear that I would be taking a new one-year
contract from that date, effectively moving my contract date out just
one month, since I took the "old" promo last month. What the #%*@ is the
straight story?
 

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CharlesH wrote:

>
> Concerning contract extension, it is really bizarre that people are
> getting such different information. When I took the new promo a few days
> ago, the CSR made it clear that I would be taking a new one-year
> contract from that date, effectively moving my contract date out just
> one month, since I took the "old" promo last month. What the #%*@ is the
> straight story?

Apparently, with Verizon, there is no "straight story." I knew I was in
trouble when I first read Verizon's customer agreement which is simply
the customer agreeing to allow Verizon to stick it up their ass whenever
and however they like.

Tom
 
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Are you on a one year or a two year contract? When I had ones, promos always
extended it one year, switching to two year (for cheaper phones and lower
activation fees) results in a two year extension.

As for the promo, the CSR should be able to enable it now for start on Feb
14. You will not be able to make any changes to the plan until after Feb 14
(according to the CS who did mine.) However, since this is mid-month - if
you haven't used more than half of your minutes, you could switch now and
not have problems with proration. (They switched one of my accounts
midmonth, the other at the end of the cycle.)




"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
news:5eQKd.17631$5R.6008@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

> Concerning contract extension, it is really bizarre that people are
> getting such different information. When I took the new promo a few days
> ago, the CSR made it clear that I would be taking a new one-year contract
> from that date, effectively moving my contract date out just one month,
> since I took the "old" promo last month. What the #%*@ is the straight
> story?
 
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:45 GMT, CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid>
wrote:

>Tom wrote:
>> Jason wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Can someone please clarify and possibly post a link to Verizon Wireless
>>> website showing the actual position of Verizon wireless on this issue.
>>>
>>> If I have Caller ID Blocking on, in other words my Caller ID info is not
>>> displayed on telephones that I call. Now If I call a verizon qwireless
>>> customer and my caller ID info is not displayed to them will this
>>> still be
>>> considered an IN-Call for both of us?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> P.S. I am currently on the $59 (800-minutes per month) family share plan
>>> with 3 additional lines at $20 each..with unlimited Nights and
>>> Weekends and
>>> unlimited IN-Calling...for a total of $119 a month.
>>>
>>> I want to switch to the $79 (1000 minute a month plan for the first two
>>> lines) and $20 for the additional two lines.....that would give me
>>> 200 more
>>> minutes per month and also I would be paying $20 less per month and all
>>> features would stay the same.
>>>
>>> I called to do this but the guy could not make it active the 14th of
>>> February, so I will call back that day because my bill cycle starts that
>>> day....Do you think this plan will be here on the 14th?
>>>
>> I recently accepted the extra 100 minutes promo and asked that my change
>> be effective on the first day of my billing cycle; this was to avoid any
>> possible problems with proration, although I was told that in this
>> instance proration would not be a factor.
>>
>> Contrary to the experience of some others, I also had to extend my
>> contract to two years from the date of the change. Another case of
>> different information from different cs reps.
>
>To the caller-id question, for some bizarre reason, the Web page says
>that if CID is blocked on an incoming call from a VZW phone, the person
>receiving the call won't be IN (but the caller would be). This is
>bizarre, since CID blocking only prevents presentation of the number on
>the called phone; the info is carried through the network so other
>features (such as distinctive ring on landline phones) will work even if
>the number is blocked.
>
Charles,
"Distinctive ring" operates on the "B" number, a.k.a. the "called
number." Since the ring cadence is determined by the dialed or called
number-- it has nothing to do with whether the *calling* or
originating number ("A-number") has blocked their CID from
presentation. These are two separate issues. I just wanted to
clarify that so ppl don't get confused.

The other part you said about VZ's website makes sense, based on how
the billing info is generated.
Zeng

>Concerning contract extension, it is really bizarre that people are
>getting such different information. When I took the new promo a few days
>ago, the CSR made it clear that I would be taking a new one-year
>contract from that date, effectively moving my contract date out just
>one month, since I took the "old" promo last month. What the #%*@ is the
>straight story?
 
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:45 GMT, CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid>
wrote:

>To the caller-id question, for some bizarre reason, the Web page says
>that if CID is blocked on an incoming call from a VZW phone, the person
>receiving the call won't be IN (but the caller would be). This is
>bizarre, since CID blocking only prevents presentation of the number on
>the called phone; the info is carried through the network so other
>features (such as distinctive ring on landline phones) will work even if
>the number is blocked.

To carry that one step further, I have Call Forward No Answer on my
home phone and I do not give out my cell number. When a VZW customer
calls my home and it rings over to my cell, my airtime is counted as
"in network", while the caller's isn't.
 
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The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:45 GMT, CharlesH
> <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:
>
>> To the caller-id question, for some bizarre reason, the
>> Web page says that if CID is blocked on an incoming call
>> from a VZW phone, the person receiving the call won't be
>> IN (but the caller would be). This is bizarre, since CID
>> blocking only prevents presentation of the number on the
>> called phone; the info is carried through the network so
>> other features (such as distinctive ring on landline
>> phones) will work even if the number is blocked.
>
> To carry that one step further, I have Call Forward No
> Answer on my home phone and I do not give out my cell
> number. When a VZW customer calls my home and it rings
> over to my cell, my airtime is counted as "in network",
> while the caller's isn't.

Bizarre guess but it makes sense if your look at it from
the perspective of the people.

"I know I'm calling an IN number"
"I don't know who is calling so I assume not IN"

Your home phone forwarding example makes just a
bit more sense. The caller does dial, and the call goes
to, the pstn. The implication is that the network actually
uses CID for IN determination.

Why don't they do it for blocked CID? ...this could
lead to the "revenue generating scam" theories...

-Quick
 
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:58:31 -0800, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>Your home phone forwarding example makes just a
>bit more sense. The caller does dial, and the call goes
>to, the pstn. The implication is that the network actually
>uses CID for IN determination.

I think we had already deduced as much in previous discussions.

>Why don't they do it for blocked CID? ...this could
>lead to the "revenue generating scam" theories...

As a programmer for 26 years, I'd say it's more laziness or an
unwillingness to put the effort (and $$$) into doing it "right".
However, in my scenario, it would be a programming nightmare. You
would have to do double lookups. Number A's call would have to be
matched to Number C's calls to determine they got routed through
Number B. But hey, my callers' bills aren't *my* problem.:)
 
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As viewed from alt.cellular.verizon, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:

>I have Call Forward No Answer on my home phone and I do not give
>out my cell number. When a VZW customer calls my home and it rings
>over to my cell, my airtime is counted as "in network", while the
>caller's isn't

Interesting. I do the same, and I asked Verizon support that very
question. I was told in no uncertain terms and without hesitation
that it would be an IN call for both parties.

--
Jafo
 
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Zeng wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:45 GMT, CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid>
> wrote:
>>To the caller-id question, for some bizarre reason, the Web page says
>>that if CID is blocked on an incoming call from a VZW phone, the person
>>receiving the call won't be IN (but the caller would be). This is
>>bizarre, since CID blocking only prevents presentation of the number on
>>the called phone; the info is carried through the network so other
>>features (such as distinctive ring on landline phones) will work even if
>>the number is blocked.
>
> Charles,
> "Distinctive ring" operates on the "B" number, a.k.a. the "called
> number." Since the ring cadence is determined by the dialed or called
> number-- it has nothing to do with whether the *calling* or
> originating number ("A-number") has blocked their CID from
> presentation. These are two separate issues. I just wanted to
> clarify that so ppl don't get confused.

Perhaps I got the name of the feature wrong. What I meant is called
"priority ringing" in PacBell land, and this is the feature where you
can put several numbers on a "priority" list, and if those numbers call,
your phone will ring with a different cadence, even if they block their
CID. This feature IS CID based. The other feature, which is what you are
referring to, allows several numbers to terminate on the same line, and
you get a different ringing pattern depending on which number was CALLED
(nothing to do with CID). Many FAX machines can be configured to answer
only this distinct ringing pattern, allowing you to have a FAX number
and voice number on the same line.
 
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The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:45 GMT, CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>To the caller-id question, for some bizarre reason, the Web page says
>>that if CID is blocked on an incoming call from a VZW phone, the person
>>receiving the call won't be IN (but the caller would be). This is
>>bizarre, since CID blocking only prevents presentation of the number on
>>the called phone; the info is carried through the network so other
>>features (such as distinctive ring on landline phones) will work even if
>>the number is blocked.
>
> To carry that one step further, I have Call Forward No Answer on my
> home phone and I do not give out my cell number. When a VZW customer
> calls my home and it rings over to my cell, my airtime is counted as
> "in network", while the caller's isn't.

CID is specified to identify the number that originated the call, so the
called phone getting the original caller's CID is as designed. If you
looked at Automatic Number Identification (ANI) info, which is used for
billing purposes, then the final recipient would see the forwarding
phone number. The original caller pays for a call to the forwarding
phone, and the forwarding phone pays for the call to the forwarding
destination.

Of course, from the rational for IN-Calling as a cheap internal call for
VZW, having calls of the form VZW->home->VZW rate as IN calling for the
called person doesn't make sense, since VZW is paying for routing the
call to and from the landline system. But I suppose that they assume
that so few geeks stumble onto this, that it isn't worth the effort to
deal with.
 
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:59:04 GMT, CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid>
wrote:

>> To carry that one step further, I have Call Forward No Answer on my
>> home phone and I do not give out my cell number. When a VZW customer
>> calls my home and it rings over to my cell, my airtime is counted as
>> "in network", while the caller's isn't.
>
>CID is specified to identify the number that originated the call, so the
>called phone getting the original caller's CID is as designed. If you
>looked at Automatic Number Identification (ANI) info, which is used for
>billing purposes, then the final recipient would see the forwarding
>phone number. The original caller pays for a call to the forwarding
>phone, and the forwarding phone pays for the call to the forwarding
>destination.

Yes, Charles, I am aware of that. I wasn't speculating as to why it
happens, just explaining that it does.