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December 22, 2010 3:47:59 PM

I bet these slim laptops will be a major pain to work on. Count me out. I'd rather have more performance and sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience. This will be for morons.
December 22, 2010 4:07:33 PM

gorillateetsI bet these slim laptops will be a major pain to work on. Count me out. I'd rather have more performance and sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience. This will be for morons.


I would say the average consumer in the market for one of these doesn't really care if they're easy to work on or not. In fact, I'd say that's true of most laptop users. If you want easy to work on, get a desktop.
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December 22, 2010 4:09:33 PM

gorillateetsI bet these slim laptops will be a major pain to work on. Count me out. I'd rather have more performance and sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience. This will be for morons.

Thats a bit of a narrow minded point of view i think. There are lots of people out there who this will be ideal for. I've used a macbook air on Windows and i found it more or less as capable as my laptop. If you're doing video editing or something similar then clearly this is not for you.
December 22, 2010 5:02:17 PM

This sort off process shaved off between 3 off 5 millimeters off of the thickness off the LCD off.
December 22, 2010 5:04:59 PM

I'm afraid I'd physically damage one of these Air prototypes, just my looking at it, and doing 2 minutes of my job functions.
December 22, 2010 5:11:18 PM

lamorpaThis sort off process shaved off between 3 off 5 millimeters off of the thickness off the LCD off.

LOL got to love awkward sentences :) 
December 22, 2010 5:13:46 PM

Quote:
I bet these slim laptops will be a major pain to work on. Count me out. I'd rather have more performance and sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience. Macs are for morons...


Thats prolly what you meant to say.
December 22, 2010 5:20:40 PM

i may be looking into the Asus model..sounds like it could be one sexy laptop!
December 22, 2010 5:29:14 PM

How is this copying Apple???
December 22, 2010 5:29:44 PM

How does having the LCD be thinner make a laptop (or desktop for that matter) easier or harder to work on? It's the monitor. I'm looking at it, not touching it (except to open it/turn it on).

I can see how rugged use would put it to the test, but the first poster's closed-minded assertion is that the laptop will somehow actually be more difficult to work on as a result. I just don't see it being easier or harder to work on. Just more portable.

December 22, 2010 5:29:49 PM

I think this is great news. After seeing how thin LCDs can be, it's shameful to see the huge, thick screens still on most laptops. There are some things that Apple has not done well, but style is definitely their strong suit.
December 22, 2010 5:51:07 PM

gorillateetsI bet these slim laptops will be a major pain to work on. Count me out. I'd rather have more performance and sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience. This will be for morons.


Sometimes slimness and weight are a priority for people. My wife has a 11.6" MacBook Air and she takes it everywhere. She carries it around with her at work and travels internationally with it. The thinness and lightness is well worth the price. It's an excellent machine. Though I love still love it, it makes my Dell Mini seem downright chunky.
December 22, 2010 6:01:38 PM

PC = personal computer, yeah? How then is Mac not a PC, and how is PC synonimous with Windows?
I mean I get that that is the current way it is, but it really doesn't make sense.
December 22, 2010 6:08:29 PM

Wolfram23PC = personal computer, yeah? How then is Mac not a PC, and how is PC synonimous with Windows? I mean I get that that is the current way it is, but it really doesn't make sense.

Mac is a generally accepted jargon term meant to differentiation hardware that is normally meant to run Mac OS X from typical PC hardware. But YES, I think we all get that Macs are a subset of PCs.
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December 22, 2010 6:09:40 PM

I think PC = personal computer got associated with computer for the masses, at Mac's price point it has never been seen as a computer for the masses but as a computer for the elite.
December 22, 2010 7:05:24 PM

I don't want to repair one..
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December 22, 2010 7:12:24 PM

Wolfram23PC = personal computer, yeah? How then is Mac not a PC, and how is PC synonymous with Windows? I mean I get that that is the current way it is, but it really doesn't make sense.


You have to consider that there was a time when a Mac was nothing like a PC. It used to have specialized components that were not available to the masses, such as the old PowerPC CPUs from IBM. They were even more proprietary than they are now.

Now they use x86 Intel based CPUs but are still proprietary and do not allow for the same customization. So because of that major difference back then, PC was always known to be the Windows based computer than you could customize.

Also back then Macs were normally only used in very special cases and not as often by the general public. Mostly in music and video editing but now most Windows based PCs can do the same thing as a Mac so it really has no specialty.

No matter what happens it will always be Mac and PC (Windows) not Mac and Windows.

gorillateetsI bet these slim laptops will be a major pain to work on. Count me out. I'd rather have more performance and sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience. This will be for morons.


I personally hate laptops. I just never understood them. I mean in most cases these days your cell phone can do the majority of what a laptop was designed for. Hell my LG Ally has ThinkFree Office which allows me to view, edit and create open word, excel and many more file types.

As for working on them, I have very large hands so that may attribute to why I dislike them. I love full sized keyboards like my Logitech G15 and larger mice like my Logitech G500.

if anything the worst part about thinner laptops is the fact that repairs are extremely hard. A regular laptop can be pretty difficult with very few being easy. The easy ones have panels to access all components while the majority don't and need to be taken apart.

For the Macs its that plus the extreme cost. A normal laptop inverter cost about $10 bucks. A Mac inverter costs at least $50. The Asus and other kind wont have the same major price markup a Mac does but they will become harder to work on which will add to labor costs. I normally charge $65 on a pretty easy laptop for labor but the hard ones, the ones you have to take entirely apart just to get to the screen for example, I charge $95.
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December 22, 2010 7:18:12 PM

Quote:
I think PC = personal computer got associated with computer for the masses, at Mac's price point it has never been seen as a computer for the masses but as a computer for the elite.


Even Apple themselves had a whole series of comercials advertising Windows machines as PC's and their own systems as Mac's. It's an industry term that even the manufacturers use. PC may stand for personal computer, but it's a label that these companys came up with to describe the Windows machines.

No need to be so litteral.
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December 22, 2010 7:57:08 PM

i don't care about look: i want quality at a good price: basically no company but maybe Asus does that.... but i guess not anymore
Anonymous
December 22, 2010 8:40:34 PM

The answer is simple.

P.C. = Piece of Crap

LOL... ok I could not resist.
I have a Mac Air.. So envy me guys...
The point is not the penis envy line like above.
The real reason is simply. it is a very practical, nice computer.
I suggest you people go and use one of these Mac Airs. I can guarantee that you will want to keep it.. they are a very nice well made computer.
And they will do virtually all things you need that any laptop can do.
And guys don't smivel about but game blaa. blaa.. go buy a desktop if you want that. My mac Air plays all the mac games very nicely. EG: world of warcraft, Call of duty, diablo, Dungeon Keeper1, Bz-flag, quake and even wolf quest to name just a few.
Also if I want to play or use a windows game or program, I have many tools that allow me to use the software directly on the computer.
for example I use Compe-Gps Air on my Mac Air. using Wine.

This is a little rant.. but I hope it will be somewhat informative..
You can have a very portable computer with tons of performance.
I do hope that the other computer company's manage to do this and make something to compete with the Mac Air. Because in reality there is no computer on the market that is in the same arena that the mac air is used.
December 22, 2010 9:21:15 PM

Quote:
The answer is simple.

P.C. = Piece of Crap

LOL... ok I could not resist.
I have a Mac Air.. So envy me guys...
The point is not the penis envy line like above.
The real reason is simply. it is a very practical, nice computer.
I suggest you people go and use one of these Mac Airs. I can guarantee that you will want to keep it.. they are a very nice well made computer.
And they will do virtually all things you need that any laptop can do.
And guys don't smivel about but game blaa. blaa.. go buy a desktop if you want that. My mac Air plays all the mac games very nicely. EG: world of warcraft, Call of duty, diablo, Dungeon Keeper1, Bz-flag, quake and even wolf quest to name just a few.
Also if I want to play or use a windows game or program, I have many tools that allow me to use the software directly on the computer.
for example I use Compe-Gps Air on my Mac Air. using Wine.

This is a little rant.. but I hope it will be somewhat informative..
You can have a very portable computer with tons of performance.
I do hope that the other computer company's manage to do this and make something to compete with the Mac Air. Because in reality there is no computer on the market that is in the same arena that the mac air is used.

wait I'm sorry..what does your comment prove again? why is it that i can get a laptop with a core i7 processor for the price of a mac air with a dual core processor..Its funny how much people will pay for an apple all their laptop. not to mention crappy one-click featured operating systems. People with Mac laptops dont impress me at all. Mac G5 desktops are somewhat nice if you are able to put Windows on it. But Mac OS is useless to the general public. unless you're a web designer, art producer, or anything of the sort, the OS is nothing but a hassle in comparison to windows 7. And you'll say ehh but you don't get viruses blahblahblah. thats because virus creators don't have time to waste making viruses for such an under used operating system. Everyone uses windows, so thats what they target. and besides that, I haven't had a virus in years, and the only viruses i've had was due to my own self awareness and my own fault of trying to download programs that seemed legit. Took me about 2 seconds to get rid of them as well.

As an employee of an electronic recycling company, out of the thousands upon thousands of computers we receive, i think we've received about 5% of the Mac laptops working, out of the hundreds that we have gotten. Even the desktops that come in, 2 out of 10 may work. And i will tell you that the only benefit to a Mac is its nicely built architecture with alluminum parts. Besides that, they are nothing in comparison to a PC as far as prices go. and even as far as prices go, I can build a PC with better alluminum structure for half the price of a Mac. So tell me where the flaw is in a PC where you can truly benefit more from a Mac?

the only experience you probably have with your own electronics is the fact that you walked into a best buy store and purchased it because it looked shiny. So you took it home and you were impressed. yet you have no experience with any other type of product, such as I do. So don't be so quick to hop on your high horse and go the ways of an apple bandwagon, because a PC will ALWAYS outperform a Mac, even with a PC marked 200$ under
Anonymous
December 22, 2010 9:52:58 PM

Lol chickenhoagie = Noob.

The typical example of a person that has no idea of computers.

I will attempt to re-direct and assist you, and point out the discussion is on the area of small portable computers. Something that no other manufacture is doing now except apple. So to run an I7 CPU notebook in this area is not correct. they do not exist.. (Like your brain me thinks).
And back to the point.. I am very happy to see windows computers made for this area (Due to lack of competition). But note, windows 7 is not the best operating system. The best operating system is always the one that you are most happy to use. As you have not used any other Operating system, you are unable to fathom variation let alone cast a valuable opinion to this discussion.
Anonymous
December 23, 2010 1:15:16 AM

Lol I checked up on the Asus G73 gaming Laptop

Taken from ==> http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=2010050418321954...

*** the following are my and my opinions only, based on what I have seen, read, and have experienced). If the moderators believe i have overstepped my boundaries, please feel free to delete this post. I however, Believe I am excercising my right to free speech. If u have purchased a g73, and everything is working as it should be, Kudos to you. This post is meant for those unlucky ones, who didnt get what they were promised out of the box***


Well! This going to sound negative, but thruth be told...it seems like we are all just hoping and wishing a lot....rather than doing anything to fix this the myriad of problems the G73 is plagued with.

Here is a list of issues I have personally experienced:

1.The 206 bios update Kills the keyboard lights.

2. Updating the GPU Drivers to anything other than the stock 9.12 results in frequent GSODs in Crysis, Arkham Asylum and GTA IV.

3. Cannot Access Ease of Access Center with the factory default Creative Drivers....had to uninstall them....but in the processs, lost the ability to adjust the depth of the subwoofer.

Issues that other users have been experiencing:

1. Steam locks up, randomly.

2. Random Cakcling noise from the speakers....

3. GPU throttling even when the NB has been plugged back in.



I myself just got my g73, and being aware of all the issues im pratically scared of changing anything else from the factory defaults.


In addition, the 206 was released without any descriptions whatsoever, let alone a warning that KB lights may not work afterwards. Did Asus not test this before releasing it to their loyal customers?

And from what I have read in these pages, rather than admiting to their mistakes (there are a few glaring ones), they keep sending their users to wild goose chases without fixing anything.
In many cases, tech support actually advised users to update their bios, which incidentally, killed their KB lights, without actaully fixing the problem.

To add to the aggrevations of genuine users....theres not a single reply from any Asus representatives in the forum relating to the G73 issues...heck even at NBR.they have an employee / customer advocate from Asus who puts forward problems from posters to the company.

RMA-ing didnt help many users as well. In many cases, and I can document a few, users who RMA-ed their units, waited for weeks or even months, only to get their laptop back
with the same issues they had before, or even new ones. One user sent his unit with a BR ROM, and Asus sent it back with a DVD-RW. So taking all the pain of sending it for RMA and waiting for upto a month, only to have ur laptop returned the exact same state you sent it in...really isnt worth it for me either.


Sometimes, at least letting us know that the company has accepted the problem and are working to fix it is a big consolation.


From what I have heard and read and experienced about Asus's G73...Im sorry to say, whether my G73 has any further issues or not (it already does, coz i can't update my GPU drivers...), i will not be buyin another unit from Asus.


2 yrs warranty sounds nice on paper. 1 yr accidental warranty sounds even better. But in reality, if this is the level of customer service dat they have...(for notebooks none the less, where customer service COUNTS the most)...then in reality dat 2 yr service mite as well say no service at all. I heartily thank every1 for letting me waste their time.


Bottom line, can WE not do anything to get Asus to fix this?....How abt an Online petition here in the forums? I'm open to suggestions.


I love well made computers.
December 23, 2010 3:18:27 AM

gmcd2247Lol I checked up on the Asus G73 gaming LaptopTaken from ==> http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.asp [...] uage=en-us*** the following are my and my opinions only, based on what I have seen, read, and have experienced). If the moderators believe i have overstepped my boundaries, please feel free to delete this post. I however, Believe I am excercising my right to free speech. If u have purchased a g73, and everything is working as it should be, Kudos to you. This post is meant for those unlucky ones, who didnt get what they were promised out of the box***Well! This going to sound negative, but thruth be told...it seems like we are all just hoping and wishing a lot....rather than doing anything to fix this the myriad of problems the G73 is plagued with.Here is a list of issues I have personally experienced:1.The 206 bios update Kills the keyboard lights.2. Updating the GPU Drivers to anything other than the stock 9.12 results in frequent GSODs in Crysis, Arkham Asylum and GTA IV.3. Cannot Access Ease of Access Center with the factory default Creative Drivers....had to uninstall them....but in the processs, lost the ability to adjust the depth of the subwoofer.Issues that other users have been experiencing:1. Steam locks up, randomly.2. Random Cakcling noise from the speakers....3. GPU throttling even when the NB has been plugged back in.I myself just got my g73, and being aware of all the issues im pratically scared of changing anything else from the factory defaults.In addition, the 206 was released without any descriptions whatsoever, let alone a warning that KB lights may not work afterwards. Did Asus not test this before releasing it to their loyal customers?And from what I have read in these pages, rather than admiting to their mistakes (there are a few glaring ones), they keep sending their users to wild goose chases without fixing anything.In many cases, tech support actually advised users to update their bios, which incidentally, killed their KB lights, without actaully fixing the problem.To add to the aggrevations of genuine users....theres not a single reply from any Asus representatives in the forum relating to the G73 issues...heck even at NBR.they have an employee / customer advocate from Asus who puts forward problems from posters to the company.RMA-ing didnt help many users as well. In many cases, and I can document a few, users who RMA-ed their units, waited for weeks or even months, only to get their laptop backwith the same issues they had before, or even new ones. One user sent his unit with a BR ROM, and Asus sent it back with a DVD-RW. So taking all the pain of sending it for RMA and waiting for upto a month, only to have ur laptop returned the exact same state you sent it in...really isnt worth it for me either.Sometimes, at least letting us know that the company has accepted the problem and are working to fix it is a big consolation.From what I have heard and read and experienced about Asus's G73...Im sorry to say, whether my G73 has any further issues or not (it already does, coz i can't update my GPU drivers...), i will not be buyin another unit from Asus. 2 yrs warranty sounds nice on paper. 1 yr accidental warranty sounds even better. But in reality, if this is the level of customer service dat they have...(for notebooks none the less, where customer service COUNTS the most)...then in reality dat 2 yr service mite as well say no service at all. I heartily thank every1 for letting me waste their time.Bottom line, can WE not do anything to get Asus to fix this?....How abt an Online petition here in the forums? I'm open to suggestions.I love well made computers.

GMCD..there is a reason why they make Apple computers. its for simple minded beings like you, who never took the time to learn Computer maintence 101. Never had a single windows computer owned by me have any problems. And your last statement proves your ignorance, because 1. you called me a noob over a forum's section (how nerdy are you? seriously, you just gave yourself an image over an internet chatroom. and its definitely not a pretty one) and why do you say you can't compare a Core i7 laptop to a dual core mac laptop? they're the same price, so why can't you compare something with equal price? Idk why I even argue with you..Your knowledge goes as far as a 7th grader who thinks he knows everything about computers. I guess thats why I make $200 a pop for each computer i fix, and you probably make nothing. But then again, your career field probably has nothing to do with technology at all.

oh and I'll also have you note, since were both making assumptions here, I HAVE used the Mac OSX operating system, as its my job to collectively rebuild computers at work, and the Mac OSX is to me the most oblivious OS i've ever used. I found Linux to be less idiotic the first time I used it than I did Mac OSX, but i suppose thats because OSX is meant for people who aren't bright with technology..
December 23, 2010 4:45:29 AM

I hope their design won't sacrifice performance over value.
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December 23, 2010 4:56:11 AM

chickenhoagie said:
oh and I'll also have you note, since were both making assumptions here, I HAVE used the Mac OSX operating system, as its my job to collectively rebuild computers at work, and the Mac OSX is to me the most oblivious OS i've ever used. I found Linux to be less idiotic the first time I used it than I did Mac OSX, but i suppose thats because OSX is meant for people who aren't bright with technology..


While I agree that I'd rather go Windows and get a better value out of it, I do find this statement a little off.

Obvious is a good thing. Easy to learn is actually a good thing. I wouldn't knock that aspect of their OS, it's pretty much their main selling feature.

But it's also good to have more options.
December 23, 2010 4:59:48 AM

Why, i never met a laptop that i can't grip the edge with my hands easily. I have met plenty of laptops that are too tall and wide for me to carry around easily.
December 23, 2010 6:03:49 AM

you mac haters are all idiots. Macs are more expensive, yes. However, you get what you pay for. Things like an easy to use, intuitive operating system, quality parts and manufacturing processes, and you also get nice looks. PCs dont all suck, I use a desktop for my gaming, and a macbook pro for everything else. Why cant there be some reconciliation people???
December 23, 2010 6:37:15 AM

Don't bother GMCD, he's probably a kid that bought a MAC using his father money, and feel so proud of it.

I'm doing I.T. business in terms of hardware and software, as a employer, I need to know what my staffs are doing, I know how to create flash and website, even it's simple or beginner level, I'm expert in terms of hardware components.

All my staffs are using WINDOWS and LINUX to do their stuffs with dreamweaver, flash , photoshop, illustrator, fireworks and programming. Which means, not only MAC can do those stuffs.

BUT I've once used MAC, (My friend gave it to me, he bought a new PC), I used for 30mins, and I gave it back to him, I rather use LINUX on my crappy Atom Nettop.
December 23, 2010 6:58:17 AM

gmcd2245Lol chickenhoagie = Noob.The typical example of a person that has no idea of computers.I will attempt to re-direct and assist you, and point out the discussion is on the area of small portable computers. Something that no other manufacture is doing now except apple.

Netbooks ARE small portable computers. I also fail to see the point with the 11'' macbook air. The hardware is way too better for the screen size. There is no need for a C2D for such a small computer. I doubt that anyone will use it to do serious computing, it will most likely just be used to check the email and visit the web. An Asus EEEPC 1215N is more than enough for that while remaining small and light and costing less than half the price.
December 23, 2010 7:01:25 AM

ncorderyou mac haters are all idiots. Macs are more expensive, yes. However, you get what you pay for. Things like an easy to use, intuitive operating system, quality parts and manufacturing processes, and you also get nice looks. PCs dont all suck, I use a desktop for my gaming, and a macbook pro for everything else. Why cant there be some reconciliation people???

Apple doesn't manufacture their computers they only assemble them (like most companies) so your comment about quality parts and manufacturing process is bs.
December 23, 2010 7:52:25 AM

I'm glad that apple originally decided to copy the other oems by using Intel cpu's. Yay for Apple being a copy cat.

P.s. I'm sure that oems will add their OWN design, like colour etc.
December 23, 2010 8:18:37 AM

Holy crap. I have no idea why that kid tried to argue for Apple. I wanted to pull my eyeballs out of my face after reading the first few sentences.

To each his own kid. Of all the things you could spend your time on... You had to spend it arguing about a portable chunk of stuff. Yes. Your time would be better spent trying to play games on/or get compliments from your shiny portable chunk of stuff.
December 23, 2010 11:51:49 AM

You folks fail to understand Apple is not worse or better but just another brand. Some would complain about being underpowered or overpriced but other brands suffer with things like crashes, overheat, driver bugs and so on.
December 23, 2010 12:11:21 PM

I own the new mac book air 13 inch and its great. It's light, easy to use, has an ssd drive and it can run windows.

Anyone who can diss Apple's computers either A is uneducated on the subnet and B has never used one. Put Windows 7 on it, and there is no difference except the style of the computer, the quality and the simplicity.

My first mac book pro purchase was nerve racking, I went through HP laptops every 6 months always wanting something more or different I got a mac book pro, and well I had it for several years, and I upgraded, to a mac book air. I'ts the same laptop, but a whole lot lighter and thinner and has a battery that lasts for what seems like forever.

Educate yourself, try one out and stop hattin, I spend a lot of money on computers and I have owned a whole lot of them in the last 15 years. We are in a day and age where anyone can built a computer with the same guts, the question is how long will it last, what is the quality of components, did who put it together put care into it, how is the customer service if it needs to be fixed or you have an issue?

If any of those things matter to you, then its apple. Everyone else cuts corners to save money because there is so much pressure to make them as cheap as possible. At the end of the day who is making all the money? Microsoft sits on the top of the pyramid along with Intel, everyone else fights for left overs.

That's really all there is to it.
Anonymous
December 23, 2010 12:11:53 PM

Hey ChickenHogie, I've sold 20 G73s 1 had the GSOD, I flashed video bios.. it's gone.. l2computer.
December 23, 2010 12:13:43 PM

ncorderyou mac haters are all idiots. Macs are more expensive, yes. However, you get what you pay for. Things like an easy to use, intuitive operating system, quality parts and manufacturing processes, and you also get nice looks. PCs dont all suck, I use a desktop for my gaming, and a macbook pro for everything else. Why cant there be some reconciliation people???


Quality parts? Sure. For 2005. Apple goes for cool looks, and with their own software (which a lot of people erase and replace with Windows). It nets to this - Apple is a marketing company that sells cool looking PCs. Enjoy playing with your Mac. I'll be over here getting work done on my Thinkpad.
December 23, 2010 12:26:09 PM

VladislausNetbooks ARE small portable computers. I also fail to see the point with the 11'' macbook air. The hardware is way too better for the screen size. There is no need for a C2D for such a small computer. I doubt that anyone will use it to do serious computing, it will most likely just be used to check the email and visit the web. An Asus EEEPC 1215N is more than enough for that while remaining small and light and costing less than half the price.


For someone that is such an expert you gave no examples of why that is the case. What mac did you use? Are we talking last week or 5 years ago? Why post on the topic if you hate them so much?

If you are a business owner, with employees I wonder how well you're doing with such a narrow mind set. Apple is exploding, and it won't be long before someone comes ot you say hey I have a mac will you help me? I've seen people like you before but the opposite, someone comes into a mac shop looking for help, and they were turned away like they had a disease.

I was in the same boat before I bought one, and once I did it was like an addictive drug. It is like a cult or something. Once you do one thing it just makes you want more, iphone, ipad, ipod etc.

I would rather get a quality product that gives me the flexibility to run windows or not, then deal with a windows or linux only world.
December 23, 2010 3:39:38 PM

gmcd2245Lol chickenhoagie = Noob.T


Anyone calling anyone else a noob is a noob.
December 23, 2010 4:53:01 PM

dman3kHow is this copying Apple???


My thoughts exactly! Laptop manufacturers have been working to make them slimmer and tinier even before the giant "lugables" were out decades ago. hell, I used to work for a company where they had an old 486 DX (Woo!) 'laptop' with a SCSI drive in it. The thing was close to 12 inches thick.

All these companies have been working to make laptops slimmer and thinner even before the Macbook air came out. Asus even began the netbook market and thus paved the way for even smaller and slimmer netbooks (they made some of the slimmest for a short while if I recall the 1008 series correctly).
December 23, 2010 5:54:19 PM

K2N haterYou folks fail to understand Apple is not worse or better but just another brand. Some would complain about being underpowered or overpriced but other brands suffer with things like crashes, overheat, driver bugs and so on.

You're talking like the macbook pro doesn't have heating issues.
December 23, 2010 6:25:38 PM

cranbersFor someone that is such an expert you gave no examples of why that is the case. What mac did you use? Are we talking last week or 5 years ago? Why post on the topic if you hate them so much?

Actually I own a MacBook and I still have an old iBook G4. I don't hate Apple, I just have a problem with fans that have a tendency to be blinded by the logo and distort the truth.
cranbersApple is exploding, and it won't be long before someone comes ot you say hey I have a mac will you help me? I've seen people like you before but the opposite, someone comes into a mac shop looking for help, and they were turned away like they had a disease.

I treat all my customers the same independently if they're using windows, mac os, linux, solaris, hp-ux,...
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December 23, 2010 7:36:24 PM

These posts that include Mac stuff always result in very interesting comments.

Vladislaus' post reminded me of something I see and have been told about in home sales training classes. Your very best referals, and the most vocal are always those who paid the most for their products. As long as you take care of the customer, if he paid a lot, he's going to go on and on about how great it is, even if it's the same exact thing another person paid half as much for.

I've been told it's due to the buyer wanting to help justify their purchase.

Of course when it comes to these Mac/PC posts, it feels like people on both sides are always trying to knock the other side down to justify their choice.
December 23, 2010 9:37:11 PM

I applaud Apple for their design... I applaud the PC Laptop/net/notebook makers for applying that design for their own models ( as long as we don't see a flurry of articles of who is suing whom for design infringement.

This design of portable computing is NOT for everyone. I do believe that is the main point of the first comment that caused this Apple vs Mac $h!7 storm.

The real crux of the issue is when it does break and you have to dole out money to either get it fixed or a replacement. We have become such a disposable society based on such design and such rapid "innovations" that it makes no sense to even fix it unless you are a person that is willing to learn HOW-TO fix your own which (sadly to say) is beyond most individuals level of stick-to-it-tiveness or comprehension. So we throw money that most of us don't have at the problem for the "new hottness" dealt with the frustration of moving all the personal data collected.

I have seen this many many times. So yes ... I would love something that is easy to fix when I am stranded and I need my files "yesterday"

Have I worked on macs before ? yes. the desktops are a dream to work on but the laptops are a pain in the A$$ infact ANY laptop these days are... but I manage to keep bringing them back from the dead... I feel that this "new sleek design" will be no different because I refuse to be reliant on the manufactures that keep on putting the same TYPE of hardware in a new package and call it "the latest and greatest".

December 23, 2010 11:46:24 PM

gmcd2243The answer is simple.P.C. = Piece of Crap

macintosh = Most Applications Crash, If Not The Operating System Hangs
December 24, 2010 9:29:23 AM

Smaller, Faster, Cheaper, Lighter is what every notebook manufacturer and customer is aiming for since the first portable computer was introduced (by today's standard, we would call it "transportable").
If some people want to believe that it was all inspired by Apple, good for them. After all, many believe that Apple invented the mp3 player, the smartphone, the GUI, that Apple computers can't crash,...,
What I know is that I had a very light and compact (although thicker than a MacBook Air I have to admit) Sony Vayo, years before the Macbook Air was introduced. And that laptop worked decently fast... and without overheating !
Anonymous
December 24, 2010 1:03:02 PM

I think this obsession with thin leaves a lot of issues unaddressed. One being lack of performance because of heat issues, the other being lack of features like USB, card reader and the like because of the thin design. I think it ads to the option of users but I rather have performance in todays media world then a slower CPU and less features.
All for the sake of thin.
Anonymous
December 24, 2010 1:06:50 PM

Mac user's have been fooled by Apple's great marketing. In a recent poll by a third party repair company. They rated Apple Macbook's as having more repairs then the average. I think many think because it looks nice that the quality inside is just as nice. Unfortunately Apple uses China assembly much like every other computer maker with similar hardware. But telling a Apple fan that will never convince them of this fact. Just by seeing the huge profit margins Apple makes should tell you, their not putting a lot of money into their products.
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