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Very Weird stuttering occuring lately with Battlefield 3

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April 7, 2012 3:22:21 PM

Asus Crosshair III Formula
ATI Radeon 5770 Series HD 1gb (OCed @ 950 and 1300mhz)
4 GBs of ram
1360x768 Monitor
Windows 7 Ultimate

I had Battlefield 3 ever since the release and i used to play it @ Ultra settings with shadows set to medium and Anti-aliasing (deffered) off, the game runs at 60-120 FPS but lately i started experiencing terrible random fps drops at least an hour into the game.

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I don't have an antivirus
I have IObit game booster
I have IObit Advanced SystemCare
I don't have a firewall turned on
April 7, 2012 5:01:20 PM

4gb system memory is looking dubious to me. With BF3 running I eventually go over 5.5gigs consumed.
April 7, 2012 5:54:35 PM

do you use team speak?
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April 7, 2012 6:23:47 PM

casualcolors said:
4gb system memory is looking dubious to me. With BF3 running I eventually go over 5.5gigs consumed.

Hope you noticed that my monitor is not full HD, besides i ran the game since october without problems.

13thmonkey said:
do you use team speak?

No i don't.
April 7, 2012 6:33:36 PM

rvg90 said:
Hope you noticed that my monitor is not full HD, besides i ran the game since october without problems.


No i don't.


I saw your resolution but that has more impact on your VRAM, which I wasn't talking about. Did your troubles start with the recent patch?
April 7, 2012 6:41:50 PM

casualcolors said:
I saw your resolution but that has more impact on your VRAM, which I wasn't talking about. Did your troubles start with the recent patch?

It started mainly the patch before this one but i was able to fix it by setting tesselation setting to use the application settings in the CCC but this patch i can't fix it no matter how hard i try.
April 7, 2012 6:46:48 PM

Have you tried deleting and reinstalling drivers and not installing CCC? If on the off chance you don't have the issue after doing so, at least you would know it was some innocuous setting in CCC, and can abandon it for ATI Tray Tools instead (which is objectively speaking, pretty superior to CCC).

I still think your 4gb sys memory is suspect since your issues are occurring as time passes and not based on certain scenes, but that's just me. I'd give it a go with clean driver install and no CCC for starters to at least rule that out.
April 7, 2012 9:38:37 PM

I forgot to say that i just formatted my PC last week, and i do have ATT as well actually .

My virtual memory settings were reset after formatting can it be that? do i need to set them manually again?
April 8, 2012 5:16:05 AM

It would be worth exploring, certainly.
April 8, 2012 9:15:47 AM

if your getting a solid 60 fps then turn vsnc on this will stop any stutters. bf3 sends 60 packet data bursts a second so having more than 60 fps brings no advantage.
yes that right if the game sends 60 packets then if you have 60 fps the game will update every frame. if you have 120 solid the game will update every other frame so is another sweet spot but 75 means you will update irregularly and this can cause the game to lag by a small amount each time till it builds into a persistent stutter.
syncing the game is important if you want smooth play.
as for your vmem you set it to 1.5 your actual ram size. so 4 gigs= 6 gigs vram.
less than this and you can get messages like short on mem or some tasks wont complete. more than this you can get a performance hit.

ccc pannel should be set to default. make sure amd overdrive is unlocked and on.
make sure morphological filtering is off and everything else is default...
check to make sure theres no active game profile. if theres a bf3 profile for the ccc panel delet it or rename it and move it... this will ensure you only use the default settings for the gfx rather than 1 setup for best quality 60fps crossfire enabled system.
April 8, 2012 11:03:04 AM

HEXiT said:
if your getting a solid 60 fps then turn vsnc on this will stop any stutters. bf3 sends 60 packet data bursts a second so having more than 60 fps brings no advantage.
yes that right if the game sends 60 packets then if you have 60 fps the game will update every frame. if you have 120 solid the game will update every other frame so is another sweet spot but 75 means you will update irregularly and this can cause the game to lag by a small amount each time till it builds into a persistent stutter.
syncing the game is important if you want smooth play.
as for your vmem you set it to 1.5 your actual ram size. so 4 gigs= 6 gigs vram.
less than this and you can get messages like short on mem or some tasks wont complete. more than this you can get a performance hit.

ccc pannel should be set to default. make sure amd overdrive is unlocked and on.
make sure morphological filtering is off and everything else is default...
check to make sure theres no active game profile. if theres a bf3 profile for the ccc panel delet it or rename it and move it... this will ensure you only use the default settings for the gfx rather than 1 setup for best quality 60fps crossfire enabled system.

So while setting vmemory what should i put in minimum? 1.5 for example and maximum 6 gigs?
April 8, 2012 12:13:07 PM

personally I would set 6Gb and 6GB min max, so that the file does not become fragmented, assuming its on a hdd
April 8, 2012 3:09:23 PM

casualcolors said:
Have you tried deleting and reinstalling drivers and not installing CCC? If on the off chance you don't have the issue after doing so, at least you would know it was some innocuous setting in CCC, and can abandon it for ATI Tray Tools instead (which is objectively speaking, pretty superior to CCC).

I still think your 4gb sys memory is suspect since your issues are occurring as time passes and not based on certain scenes, but that's just me. I'd give it a go with clean driver install and no CCC for starters to at least rule that out.


4gig is fine for Bf3, maybe he should just try turning settings down to high? i mean a 5770 might be able to do some on ultra at the resolution but he didnt even list his cpu.
April 8, 2012 3:12:29 PM

con310 said:
4gig is fine for Bf3, maybe he should just try turning settings down to high? i mean a 5770 might be able to do some on ultra at the resolution but he didnt even list his cpu.

my bad

AMD Phenom II 3.4 GHz X4 965 BE.
April 8, 2012 3:50:57 PM

con310 said:
4gig is fine for Bf3, maybe he should just try turning settings down to high? i mean a 5770 might be able to do some on ultra at the resolution but he didnt even list his cpu.


Like I said in an earlier post, I pass 4gb of sys memory used (by over a gig and a half at times) when I run BF3 under any normal circumstance. So 4gb of system mem for BF3 is borderline to completely insufficient. The only reason to have 4gb memory on a gaming computer these days is if you're using 32-bit OS.
April 8, 2012 4:22:00 PM

Which settings can i lower that impact the rams much?
April 8, 2012 4:48:49 PM

casualcolors said:
Like I said in an earlier post, I pass 4gb of sys memory used (by over a gig and a half at times) when I run BF3 under any normal circumstance. So 4gb of system mem for BF3 is borderline to completely insufficient. The only reason to have 4gb memory on a gaming computer these days is if you're using 32-bit OS.


4gb is not anywhere close to insufficient in BF3, you must have some other serious problems with your comp because 4gb should be fine.

and If you read the OP post he says that he has had the game since it came out and 4Gb never held him back
April 8, 2012 4:56:05 PM

rvg90 said:
Which settings can i lower that impact the rams much?



Its not the ram, 4gb is fine. If you were trying to run the game with everything on Ultra (including all the extra stuff) and with a really High resolution then yes then the ram would definitely be the case, but with a 1360x768 Monitor ? no way. i dont know you could try messing around with your settings see if it makes a difference. It just seems odd that you would play the game with 4gb fine and all of sudden its not enough.
April 8, 2012 5:09:22 PM

con310 said:
4gb is not anywhere close to insufficient in BF3, you must have some other serious problems with your comp because 4gb should be fine.

and If you read the OP post he says that he has had the game since it came out and 4Gb never held him back


And if you read the rest of the thread you would see that he recently reformatted and lost his virtual mem settings around the same time these stutters started. And nothing is wrong with my computer lol. You're presumptuous and painfully wrong at the same time. BF3 has been the number one reason for people on 64 bit systems who had 4gb system memory to go up to at least 6gb.

In fact the only time I haven't read about 4gb memory causing direct capping issues with the game has been people on 32-bit OS's who just have their large-map performance gutted from the very beginning instead and don't even notice it until they do finally upgrade.
April 8, 2012 5:26:26 PM

casualcolors said:
And if you read the rest of the thread you would see that he recently reformatted and lost his virtual mem settings around the same time these stutters started. And nothing is wrong with my computer lol. You're presumptuous and painfully wrong at the same time. BF3 has been the number one reason for people on 64 bit systems who had 4gb system memory to go up to at least 6gb.

In fact the only time I haven't read about 4gb memory causing direct capping issues with the game has been people on 32-bit OS's who just have their large-map performance gutted from the very beginning instead and don't even notice it until they do finally upgrade.



None of this changes the fact that his game ran fine before on 4gb ram not to mention the insane amount of people play Bf3 with 4gb and have no problem what so ever, i dont know if i struck a nerve with you or why you would say im "presumptuous" but your wrong, he does not need to upgrade his ram and it is not the problem with his computer right now.

Also.. when i said "you must have some other serious problems with your comp" i was referring to anyone with 4gb of ram not you specifically.

You should definitely do some more research before you go and tell someone to upgrade there computer to fix something that is clearly not the problem.
April 8, 2012 5:31:58 PM

con310 said:
None of this changes the fact that his game ran fine before on 4gb ram not to mention the insane amount of people play Bf3 with 4gb and have no problem what so ever, i dont know if i struck a nerve with you or why you would say im "presumptuous" but your wrong, he does not need to upgrade his ram and it is not the problem with his computer right now.

Also.. when i said "Your comp" i was referring to anyone with 4gb of ram not you specifically.

You should definitely do some more research before you go and tell someone to upgrade there computer to fix something that is clearly not the problem.


Lol all I told him was that it is suspect and worth looking into. I never claimed that was exactly what was wrong with his computer, and you're being literally as abrasive as possible on a topic you're actually wrong about. The majority of people on 64bit systems with 4gb of ram actually have problems with BF3's multiplayer. I feel like maybe I hit a nerve by implying that 4gb of ram was insufficient. I'm not sure if maybe you can't afford another 4gb kit or if you're just prone to being sensitive, but I don't really care either. You're throwing out the fact that the game's stutters started around the same time as his reformat

While Hexit offered a lot of good advice, you haven't actually offered any aside from "turn the settings down" ignoring that he was already running on those settings without issues before. Congratulations on doing absolutely zero troubleshooting, rofl.
April 8, 2012 5:47:59 PM

I am gonna upgrade the rams as soon as i can anyway because 4 gigs is low i know but it still bothers me that the game was running fine after last patch :( .
April 8, 2012 5:48:07 PM

casualcolors said:
Lol all I told him was that it is suspect and worth looking into. I never claimed that was exactly what was wrong with his computer, and you're being literally as abrasive as possible on a topic you're actually wrong about. The majority of people on 64bit systems with 4gb of ram actually have problems with BF3's multiplayer. I feel like maybe I hit a nerve by implying that 4gb of ram was insufficient. I'm not sure if maybe you can't afford another 4gb kit or if you're just prone to being sensitive, but I don't really care either. You're throwing out the fact that the game's stutters started around the same time as his reformat

While Hexit offered a lot of good advice, you haven't actually offered any aside from "turn the settings down" ignoring that he was already running on those settings without issues before. Congratulations on doing absolutely zero troubleshooting, rofl.





How am i throwing out the fact that he reformatted? if he reformatted and some settings got changed that would mean you are wrong(Which you already are completely) and adding more ram would not fix this problem and 4gb is not a problem with Bf3 to begin with so ya.

Dam man... why are you so insecure? this is an internet forum, do you not leave your house much or something or what? you seem to take this WAY to serious and I know for a fact I hit a nerve with you, your getting all bent out of shape over this...now your moving onto poor jokes because your wrong? lol good job buddy you have done nothing what so ever to help this guy other then telling him to dish out for more ram when its not the problem...i could have not posted anything and i would be doing more good then you are.

April 8, 2012 5:50:43 PM

rvg90 said:
I am gonna upgrade the rams as soon as i can anyway because 4 gigs is low i know but it still bothers me that the game was running fine after last patch :( .



you might as well for the price of ram now, still dont think that is your problem though.

Before you reformatted did you have windows 7 64 bit or 32?
April 8, 2012 6:52:57 PM

64-bit.
April 8, 2012 7:42:25 PM

what drivers you using?
April 8, 2012 8:26:51 PM

latest amd drives 12.2 i think.
April 8, 2012 9:01:14 PM

I have recently had some driver issues when i tried to update to 12.3 and then even 12.4 beta, i started crashing in BF3 when i had fixed all that stuff already and i knew it was the drivers, so I ended up using driver sweeper and rolled back to 12.2(but it says 12.3 in CCC somtimes) I was again getting the crashes in BF3 and I knew before on this same driver that I wasnt...so i was confused.

Anyways i ended up reading in the comments on this driver page (http://benchmark3d.com/amd-catalyst-12-2-whql)

and this guy said that if you install 12.3 on new or reformatted computer or even after using driver sweeper, a file called atipdlxx.dll is missing and you have to install a previous driver and then update it from there...because apparently this 12.3 driver does not have it. The guy said the file if missing kills overclocking and makes it not work correctly...

I know you said you think you have 12.2 but i would look into this, considering your card is OCed and you just installed your drivers on a clean computer.
April 8, 2012 9:05:18 PM

actually ima post everything he says cuz it could help you hopefully...

"A cautionary tale comes with this driver and its pre-cert. predecessor as well as any driver that bears the 12.3 version is missing a file called “atipdlxx.dll” which effectively destroys overclocking. The file is needed to use AMD Overdrive, Sapphire TrixX, Riva Tuner, and I assume MSI Afterburner as well.

This is only really an issue if you are going to do a clean install Or if this is installed on a fresh sytem with no other driver installed. As in a new hardware install or a OS reboot,etc. If you were to upgrade install over a previous driver like the 12.2 preview 12.2 WHQL or before you will still have the file from that driver install intact and should experience no issue. If you do not OC you may not notice it, but if you clean install (ie) remove the CCC & WDM Drivers completely with a driver cleaning software you will NOT be able to overclock.

It seems to cause other smaller issues as well like small instabilities and AOD 4.1 driver showing up as a uninstalled [!] driver in your in your device manager, and it will contually poll itself as an error in your event viewer over and over.
The missing file prevents Sapphire trixX from being able to disable Ultra Low Power Service. Basically this keeps your card in stock power states and prevents OC- all sliders will jump back to stock in any OC programs.

(1.) The fix if you already have this is to(if you are able to reg edit:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\ControlSet001\\Control \\Class\\{4D36E968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\000 (or 000X where “X” is any number)
Finding “EnableUlps” and setting it’s “value data” to “0″.
You do not need to touch the “EnableUlps_NA” entry.
(NOTE:)  This will fix the error issues but you still cannot overclock, so this is only for users that do not overclock at all.

(2) download the “atipdlxx.dll” and copy it to the “syswow64″ in the “Windows” directory. Here is a copy of the “atipdlxx.dll” from the 12.1 RC1 Drivers: http://www.mediafire.com/?phl44hvned2pwab

(3.) Uninstall everything CLEAN (Sweep) and install Cat 12.1 WHQL or 12.2 Preview drivers then install 12.2 Pre-Cert. or 12.2 WHQL on top of them (upgrade install) and you should avoid the issue.

(4.)Perhaps the simplest way..(Some may not prefer if they are paranoid about the staility of thier system recovery capabilities. ) is to simply do a “system restore’ to a point before youdo anything with a driver past 12.1 WHQL or 12.2 Preview. Then if you want to use 12.2 Certified use the fixes described above."



Oh and I currently am using 11.12 because from the drivers I have tried BF3 runs the best and 12.2 were making skyrim glitch out for me.

I use a 6770 and thats almost the same as a 5770, so maybe it will work better for you then 12.2

But im really not sure hope this helps some.
April 8, 2012 9:55:42 PM

con310 said:
How am i throwing out the fact that he reformatted? if he reformatted and some settings got changed that would mean you are wrong(Which you already are completely) and adding more ram would not fix this problem and 4gb is not a problem with Bf3 to begin with so ya.

Dam man... why are you so insecure? this is an internet forum, do you not leave your house much or something or what? you seem to take this WAY to serious and I know for a fact I hit a nerve with you, your getting all bent out of shape over this...now your moving onto poor jokes because your wrong? lol good job buddy you have done nothing what so ever to help this guy other then telling him to dish out for more ram when its not the problem...i could have not posted anything and i would be doing more good then you are.



Suggested that he look into his memory use (as in check the task manager) since hitching and stuttering is the first symptom when computer has fully consumed available mem for the game. I didn't tell him to run out and buy more memory. Not sure why you would put those words in my mouth aside from perhaps wanting to white knight for a random internet cause (as literally retarded as that is). Should go back and re-read the thread. Gave him a variety of options to explore with his drivers and overclocking suite before he did anything else (including roll them back from 12.3 if he happened to be using th em which effectively negates the issues with that driverset). Just sayin...
April 9, 2012 12:07:24 PM

I actually had 12.3 drivers i just checked, i know about that missing dll i had to dl it and manually put it there when i installed ATT.
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