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From personal preference, Asus.

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I own an asus a7pro and love it, however my friend has an abit board, and though I'm die hard asus, the abit board is easier to overclock.

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I've built both, and both were great.

In my home system now though, I'm using the abit kt7a-raid.

So i guess that tells you what I think.
Lotsa neat tweaks in the bios.

Altough I think I woulda been 100% happy with the a7v133 as well. :)

hope that helps

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You'll have to pick between DDR or SDR ram. Other than that, asus does ok by me.
You'll be a bios updating fool for the first month or two if you get a 'brand new' board, so be prepared.

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I have the ASUS A7V133.I like it very well Only problems I ever seem to have are self induced. Imagine that!!!

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Abit KT7a-RAID..... 'nuff said.... read all the reviews for more information....

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OK new messing around and stuffs- so here's my new take
ASUS-performs the best and fastest over all, but differences are small generally.
ABIT-I love this BIOS, the easiest overclock ever. What I would get for the less experienced user.
AOPEN-To throw this in there, performs a little better than the abit generally and a little worse than the asus. It has an excellent user friendly bios but not quite as cool as the abit softmenu, but close. Basically it is the near perfect blend of the two. My brother just got one to try it out and after running benchmarks and over clocking it's really great. It's also black which is better than cool. My new choice over all is AOPEN.
If you don't mind moving jumpers and stuff though, then ASUS is great too. Really you can't go wrong with any of the three though.

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another happy Asus A7V133 owner =]

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Moving jumpers on an Asus? I think you must have the wrong Asus my friend. My Asus is configurable jumperless (out of the box default). All you need to do is diable audio, if it has it and you don't want it.

A7V133 rocks.

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AOpen AK33. No problems with it. Built multiple PC's with them and it works fine. The only thing that pisses me of is the stupid quality control message could have been replaced with an ISA card - so if you need legacy look elsewere. Other than that it's a worthy and an exceptionally stable board.

But if you want to be state of the art for the love of god get a board supporting DDR SD-RAM. UDMA 100 compat is not a requirement as no devices yet need the bandwidth it provides. Most devices leave spare capacity on UDMA 66. RAID is a different matter. How many drives you got or planning to have?

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Actually, I have the right one and I am not the only one who has had troubles with it booting into the bios giving hardware errors (mainly changing the voltage) in jumper free mode. However if you put it to jumper mode and don't give it a choice then it runs rock solid. Sorry to break it to you, but ASUS is not infallable, and while I love my board, OCing is a bit easier and more problem free on the other 2 boards. (abit and aopen)

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Well you've confused me because both the Asus boards I own run fine with jumperless configurations. If I screw the BIOS up fully, then the jumpers sometimes help me back, giving me an, as you say' rock solid fall back' but in normal operation my board runs & restarts fine.

Possibly you mean abou the recovery option, where if the board fails to POST at a speed, it defaults back to chip settings and 100Mhz FSB?

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I'm not saying your board does it, but mine does. And it is a recovery thing, I wouldn't call it an option since I can't choose to disable it, but the board fails to post at the highest volatage setting and resets the voltage (I've left my clock at 100 always since I have a finiky nic), but if I set the jumpers, it never fails at post and always works fine.

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yeah - but it's a useful feature too. If you set your FSB and multiplier too high to post, then the system 'safes' and allsows you to still get into BIOS without having to reset your nvram.

I can see that sometimes it's annoying though. If you have a funny NIC btw, it runs identically if you set yor FSB at 100 or 133, the system autmatically uses 1/3 or 1/4 FSB->PCI divider so it will be at 33Mhz whatever. If your memory and CPU are 133 or 266 respectively (most athlons will do this but you may need to drop the multiplier) you get much better system results than just increasing the multiplier to get CPU mhz up.

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a7v133. Good to go.

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I've got an A7V133.. rock solid (so far :), good performer.

Overclocked up to 20% on the CPU bus already and its still stable.. going to push for more..

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so are you at 120FSB or 159 FSB?

I assume 120 - take that baby up to 133 straight off, lower your cpu multiplier if you need to. If you have a B type athlon then it is almost certainly good for whatever spped you are running at now, but it'll work faster and better at a lower % FSB overclock.

Up to 120FSB, the system still uses a 1/3 PCI/AGP bus divider. All your cards are trying to run 20% over spec, which is mostly pointless. Take your cpu up to about 140FSB and a lower multiplier, the cards are more in tolerance and you have a lot more memory bandwidth to play with. Your system will probably be more stabe and you might get higher.

Go on - give it some 'wellie'!

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I'm at 120FSB. I got a 'B' core with AVIA stepping.
I've actually gone up to 130Mhz FSB but I didn't stay long there because I was afraid of the PCI clock going up to high. All this and my multiplier is still locked at 10 :)

Question though.. wouldn't increasing the multiplier be more beneficial than the FSB? that way my cards stay around spec and my CPU freq goes up.

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I'm sure as most people have noted that the A7V133 performs quite well and in fact wins most benchmarks although by slim margins. However, speaking from personal experience, I would never again purchase any product from Asus until they manage to introduce the concept of technical support into their operations. Just read my post a bit lower down the overclocking page- I tried an Asus first, but when I had problems that I couldn't solve, Asus was not there to support me. There is no technical support hotline, and the email tech support system is a joke-it even states right in the manual that most emails sent to them won't be replied to. That turned out to be true- I sent 3 different emails and never received responses from any of them. So I returned the Asus and purchased the Abit KT7A-Raid, which also performs quite well in most benchmarks. I experienced the same problem I was having with the Asus- it simply would not power up for more than a second. Frustrated, I tried Abit's tech support- To my surprise, they responded to me and suggested that my power supply might be at fault-which it was. I learned 2 things that day- that not all 300W ATX power supplies are the same, and that sometimes decent tech support can be MUCH more valuable than a few percentage points in a benchmark. Kudos to Abit for fine service and an outstanding product.

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Hey - did you know at 130 FSB your PCI clock was UNDER spec, not over?

You're using an A7V133 right? FSB up to and including 120Mhz use a 1/3 divider for the PCI and AGP freqency. Over 120FSB the system uses a 1/4 divider for htem.

=> at 120 FSB your PCI is running 20% over spec.
=> at 121 FSB your PCI is running 8% UNDER spec.

even at 130FSB your are running your PCI under spec. You should be able to put your FSB to 133, your PCI and AGP will be perfectly on spec. You _may_ need to lower your multiplier to attain this speed though.

If you mod your multiplier up, yes cpu frequency rises, but the big game in town is memory bandwidth. That's why there is all the hype around DDR and Rambus systems.

Let's take an example. Say you have a 1Ghz 'B' Tbird. You want to get the best performance you can, naturally. This chip normally has a 10x multiplier and a 100FSB.

Now you could just raise the multiplier (after unlocking) to 12x, making a 1.2Ghz chip, which may or may not work. You'll still have a 100Mhz FSB controlling your memory interface though.

OR

We can think smart and LOWER the multiplier to 8.5x and raise the FSB to ~140Mhz. Now your PCI and AGP and memory are running 5% over spec (you are at 20% now remember), your CPU is running at 1190Mhz = near as anything 1.2Ghz BUT you have a 40% larger memory transfer speed!!!!!

Get a copy of SiSoft Sandra. It is very theoretical about it's benchmarks but very handy to see delta effects on tweaking. Check out the difference you'll get in memory bandwidth. If you still dont believe, run 3DMark 2000/1 with two identical speed CPUs running different FSB - I assure you memory bandwith has an awesome affect on performance.

Get your system as fast as it is stable using FSB (the multiplier help to do this with crude increments). Losing 50Mhz of cpu speed for 5Mhz on the FSB is usually a good trade if it stays stable....

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Both are good as brand names go. QC seems a little better on Asus (I've never had to RMA one) "Flexibility" is alittle higher on Abit's side. You aren't planning to upgrade from kt133 are you?

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