Chemical Weapons Found?

Yeah, I posted this in one of the other threads. I'm sick of all the false alarms though so I'll wait and see.

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See, the thing is this... The Bush administration is saying Sadaam is a danger because of a risk of unprovoked attack on us with chemical/biological weapons. Now, we are provoking the hell out him right now, to the point where he isn't going to be leader of Iraq in a couple more weeks, yet he didn't use any nasty weapons. Why is that??? Maybe he doesn't have any chemical weapons anymore.

But, time will tell. If in awhile our troops do really find chemical weapons, then that answers parts of the questions. But, if our troops never find any chemical weapons, then I really, really think that would look bad for Bush.

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If anything, orders are not being communicated. The chain of command is so badly beaten down that they seem to be giving orders by way of the press.

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Funny you should mention sheep.

I was saying to someone the other night that I'd like to get Saddam alone without henchmen or power and ask him what gave him the right to have such a lack of respect for people's rights.

It came to me very quickly what his reply would be like...

"If they behave like sheep, I will shepherd them" or something equally egotistical.

There's no way to ever change this guy's mind, especially now he's on the run. My only hope is that no-one obeys his orders to use chem weapons.

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Yup. I also saw how his men were terrorising folk already broken.

What was the commander's orders?

"Slit their throats and cut their hearts in two!"

Lovely! Just the kind of guy you want running around your neighbourhood at night.

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I know that finding chemical weapons in Iraq would be a good thing for Bush's world standing. However, Saddam has the unfortunate combination of evil ambition and power to excerise that ambition. Finding chemical weapons is not the lynch pin on which my resolve resides. If we find nothing more than an old bottle of cough syrup, the Iraqi's will not have to live in constant fear.
I have an answer for all those who would criticise this war for the civillian casuaties it is causing. Given the choice, what would you choose? Life under tyranny, or the chance to live as free men. The Iraqis lived under such a repressive regime that they could not act for themselves. Think about it...
"What would you do without freedom?"

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And once we have that, then some of the dissenters will demand further justification for our actions. Mentioning no names.

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Well said!

....but then again....such is the price of freedom...

But the one remaining question...Political price....

If now WMD are not found, Bush will still face HARSH criticism from opponents.....

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The documentary last night had former members of his government (well, if you can call it that) state that he was devoloping them after the first gulf war. It also explained how the UN inspections team was hoodwinked every inch of the way. They'd set up interviews with low level staff at various plants etc, and all the while it went on, high ranking Iraqi army officers watched him and listened to his every word. So if he did reveal, he and his family would have been killed.

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Really. Who are the idiots? For all we know, Saddam is the only person that's ever wanted to fire them, and the people that actually did the dirty work only did it so that they wouldn't be executed.
Of course, I guess I should probably include his sons. From all accounts, they're more f*cked up than their father.

War Eagle<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Auburn9698 on 04/08/03 03:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

definately... i think most of the MALE members of the hussein family probably deserves to be hung for various atrocities.

I feel sorry for all the wives and young children having to love with such phsycotic monsters.

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Can you give me a source that Iraq produced WMD after 1992? No...? Well then we can assume he didn't made any.
As for which idiots would be willing to use WMD... there are enough members of the Baath party that will loos everything when Saddam goes... so they will be willing to do anything to prevent that from happening.

As for the current situation: I must say I'm kinda surprised with the speed it is going... all resistance seems to have vanished in thin air. Now lets hope it doesn't reappear suddenly.

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Yeah, so far you've been wrong about everything. The cheering in the streets, the rapid progress, the casualties, the fall of baghdad, etc

Nonetheless, even I am surprised at how quickly things are advancing, but the war is still not over.

<A HREF="http://www.efreedomnews.com/News Archive/Iraq/SpecialReportWaronIraq/M17_IraqWMD.htm" target="_new">Here's a link for you</A>

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You would complain about this war no matter what happened. Recognize it for what it is and you'll see it's an amazing feat. Iraqi casualties? Yeah, they fought those same forces you said would be hurting badly. Let's not forget your casualty figure of tens or hundreds of thousands of coalition soldiers.

He has/had the sympathy of the arab world and didn't want to ruin it or maybe he was killed in that last blast and wasn't able to make a last stand. All rumors suggest he was trying to flee or has fleed.

And any idiot can build a nuclear bomb? Huh?

As far as the rumors, ignore them, but at the very least look at the UNSCOM report dates. They are years beyond what you said. I only took two seconds on google to find something with a later date. Feel free to find something better. Either way you were wrong. Don't discount the fact that Iraq is the size of California either as far as the little treasure hunt you propose. It'll take a while.

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Why? Why are you always mocking. From crossing the border to the dismantling of Saddam's regime in 21 days is pretty awesome in my book. We could display Saddam's corpse on TV (which we wouldn't BTW) and you'd still play down the significance.

Just like in WWII when the allies expected fierce resistance in Berlin, they were suprised by what they did, or didn't encounter. The simple fact is that we were the superior force. Period. You'd turn tail and run too faced with what was coming.

Oh please. You aren't serious. It's not a fuckinn' jigsaw puzzle, aged 5+!

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I'm not happy till it is over... and untill you get Tigrit it wont. And there have been far to many casulties to call this a clean war... while the USA promised this to be one.

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Actually this has been a clean war. If it had not then we would have simply carpet bombed the region and killed them all.

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You are a moron. A complete and total moron. Building a nuclear bomb is NOT "very simple". YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

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You are too naive or young or stupid to understand what a war is. People die. The loss of life in this war has been minimal.

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That site's a joke. You're a dumbass.

Barking Spider(BS)? Great, a site named after a fart...

War Eagle<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Auburn9698 on 04/11/03 05:35 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

So lets pretend that you can get all your components, including the uranium required. And the NBC suit. Yu're missing one very vital component that you won't be able to get your hands on. Conventional exposives. Thermal charges or mining explosives won't do. You need proper gear.

And do you know how to prep the <i>exact</i> amount to cause detonation? Know how to prep det cord? Where to place it to ensure you don't just cause a big bang? It's not like the movies where you just place a fuckload of C4 next to a building and up it goes. Do that and you'll just take the mortar off a wall and create a loud bang? Explosives experts train for months. British army LATA training teaches explosives techniques that take months to perfect.

And you think you can get this off the 'net? LMMFAO. Get real. Unless you are studying nuclear physics, you haven't got a chance in hell.

Oh, and then there's the very slight fact that every western government will be monitoring you're activities very closely, and, if by some minute chance you got all the ingredients to create such a weapon, by the time you took delivery you'd be lying face down on the floor with a double tap to the head. Because that's the fate that befits terrorists.

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Atomic Cafe is a good flick on the subject of atomic weapons.

I can't wait for Svol to respond in here. The way he wiggles his way around arguments this should be amusing.

Figwit is evil.

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I don't call a war woth tenthousadns of casulties at one side clean... but that all depends on how you see clean.

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LOL... as shown in my drawing normal gunpowder and gravity are enough. As long as the total mass of the top projectile is 40kg it will be heavy enough to hold the parts together... and some concrete around the second part helps too.

And yes... you can actually find this on internet. Even Tom Ridge knows this.

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LOL

Anyway I agree that concrete isn't the best solution but it does the job (why do you think nuclear reactors also use concrete as protection?) as long as it it thick enough. And you can enforce the concrete by digging that part of the nuke in.

But if you take a look at the scematic work of Little Boy (you know... the nuke they used on Hiroshima) you will see that they look alike: <A HREF="http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~svo/nukelb.jpg" target="_new">click</A>

But which kind of key components am I missing except for the facilities to produce pure Uranium-235 and the radiation protection stuff? As I said the biggest pain in the ass is getting the Uranium-235... as soon as you got enough of that stuff building the nuke is 'a piece of cake'.

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I hate to say it guys but svol is correct. Once you have the enriched uranium/plutonium building a bomb isn't that difficult. In any event it certainly isn't beyond Iraq or even Iran, especially once you consider the pool of former Russian nuclear scientists that they can and have recruited (source: National Geographic from about a year ago). All the massive equipment and acres of buildings that you're thinking of aren't used to construct the bomb, they are used to purify the uranium. Once you have the purified uranium/plutonium the bomb itself isn't hard to build at all.

I'm not saying that any militia man or joe sixpack can do it, but it certainly isn't beyond the skills of your average nuclear physist university grad, or even undergrad. Also note that I'm not talking about a precision guided nuclear missle, or even about a suitcase bomb, but a good old-fashioned atom bomb that you could build on a boat or perhaps a large transport truck. It won't be nearly as powerful as modern bombs, but it'll do the job at least as good as Hyroshima.

The main problem is getting that enriched uranium. Add to that that the equipment needed to enrich the uranium requires vast expertise along with acres of realestate which will easilly show up in satalite photos.

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